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[ACCCT2]

And you think that this outstanding USAH-Inline "contribution" is proportionately worth what they take out of the players in fees and their clearly questionable right to represent themselves as the game's NGB in soliciting sponsors for more money for them to spend on themselves...???

From my ("fossil-like") knowlege and experience, the NCRHA (as well as NARCh and PIHA) could do much better going directly to potential sponsors -- cut out the totally unneccessary USAH-Inline (or AAU, whatever, etc.) middlemen who are essentially giving the players a token fee of what should ALL be the players'...

Finally, it'd be interesting if anyone actually took the time to research "some proof" of what I posted. I think it's amazing that my 'form' seems to be more important than my 'content'...

BETTER...?!?

P.S.: In MY "fossil-like" world of advertising any logo placement not of miniscule proportions is "PLASTER-ing" (and worth something!)...!!!

[MBurke]

And you think that this outstanding USAH-Inline "contribution" is proportionately worth what they take out of the players in fees and their clearly questionable right to represent themselves as the game's NGB in soliciting sponsors for more money for them to spend on themselves...???

See point below.

From my ("fossil-like") knowlege and experience, the NCRHA (as well as NARCh and PIHA) could do much better going directly to potential sponsors -- cut out the totally unneccessary USAH-Inline (or AAU, whatever, etc.) middlemen who are essentially giving the players a token fee of what should ALL be the players'...

Potentially. I know that my own look into insurance policies yielded numbers
FAR higher per player than any membership fee we pay or were proposed by AAU/USAHIL/etc. Anything extra we get is gravy IMO.

Finally, it'd be interesting if anyone actually took the time to research "some proof" of what I posted. I think it's amazing that my 'form' seems to be more important than my 'content'...

I could post a bunch of articles concerning this, but when form is bad enough that it obfuscates the actual meaning of the content, it becomes more important. Thus why the current trend in design is 'keep it simple' - the less form, the easier it is to figure out the content.

P.S.: In MY "fossil-like" world of advertising any logo placement not of miniscule proportions is "PLASTER-ing" (and worth something!)...!!!

And it's not being given for nothing...

[ACCCT2]

Actually, Mike, and with all due respect, I think that for both of us this falls under we both "know what we know", eh, as I've researched, inquired and gotten far better numbers and insurance/injury/liability coverage policies, with far greater comprehensive coverage and benefits (than USAH-Inline) in my own research on the subject -- so let's just leave it at that.

It seems that some people are inexplicably convinced that they're somehow actually getting their (hard-earned) money's worth from USAH and USAH-Inline, and even more astoundingly further, feel the need to defend an organization that has broken Federal Law, disregards IOC protocols and legal territories, as well as displays an UN-ending and UN-professional contempt for those hard-working members, players, moms and dads who pay for their (USAH) salaries, expense accounts, "consultancies" and "feather-bedding" scams and shams, as well as for others (like Brian Leetch and Cammi Granato) who have served our "Red, White & Blue" colors so honorably and well over the years -- I myself, choose to call a dirty, rotten, stinking spade a "dirty, rotten, stinking spade"...

As for "form" being more important than "content", I think first of all, it's all a matter of opinion -- you have your's; others' have their's; and I have mine -- I think that because of the almost ignorant incredulity and mis-informed missives I'm constantly having to read on the subject (NGB's place and status in the game), I admittedly tend to put a bit of emotional emphasis in what I'm trying to convey...through, hmmm, your wonderfully (TOO?) easy-to-use formatting feature...

[Kittenkrusher]

holy **** this post is like the olympics of banter, whats a NGB? Goddamn can i cuss here(hows my form?) either way i say **** the bull****, if someone is pimpn the sport with out due redguard and service cut theyr ass up. ACCt2 im looking at what your sayn and honestly im kinda lost but thanks for the trail, it will be pursued. After reading Money Players written by Bruce Dowbiggin, I will be mindful. ... you see this Emoticon, it is not a grin it is me biting the **** out of my tounge. And to the future of this sport I must tell you blatantly and blissfuly, the river finds a way.


Listening to Kanye West: You Can Negotiate With Me

[William Bourque]

As for "dan sangiorgio" (or anyone for that matter) needing "some proof" of "illegal stuff" and all that is easily "provable" -- do your own research and due-diligence, as I absolutely don't work-for or answer to any of you -- ALL of what I've mentioned (and YES, MORE!) is easily researchable and readily available...

That's Fine. I was under the impression that in order to be taken seriously you have to provide the facts to your audience. In this case the readers of the website. I can't leave my post at the newspaper and walk into the editor's office with a story idea without providing the facts to him. Additionally, i can't give a speech on the effects of slots in Pennsylvania without providing the facts as well. I am not going to give you a speech on education, because obviously you are a well educated and well informed individual. However, you lose the respect of your audience when you fail to validate your claims. You seem to expect everyone on here to take your word for what it is, or spend the time researching something they don't care about. Many people pay there $25 fee to USA Hockey not caring what they are paying for, even if its only a poorly put together magazine once a month. Some people just care about playing hockey and could care less about what is going beyond the game they are playing in. If you want the members of the organization to care, you might want to provide the facts first. That may be direct quotes, or just a link to a few news articles.

[Wingman]

Just out of curiosity, ACCCT2, do you even play inline hockey?

[Kittenkrusher]

You need to post your facts for sho, eitherway asuming your well intentioned and did your foot work i have mad respect for you lookn out bro, you seem to be coming from at least a good place watchin for peoples interest. I think that MBurke dude is still at little polarized from the cold war or something, and by the way ******* dont insult us by sayn form over content its both, check the trends substance is in with the kiddies... as well as texture Treat your girl right

[ACCCT2]

Honestly, I really don't care whether any of you take me seriously or not (that's not really what this forum's about anyway, right?) -- if you really want to know what the LAW is and what's really going on, well then, as I stated earlier, do your own research, everything's all there to be found -- I dare you -- "prove" me wrong if you're so sure that I'm wrong or somehow mistaken about the "facts" that I've put forth. As for the assumption that I'm somehow "expecting" everyone else "on here" to take my words for what I claim them to be, all I can say is that for some reason a lot of you seem to take unbelievably personal umbrage at whatever I try to say, no matter how well reasoned, stated or evidenced.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that USAH (and USAH-Inline) are indeed counting on the sad, but inevitably accurate "not caring what they are paying for" fact that, as you said, "...Some people just care about playing hockey and could care less about what is going beyond the game they are playing in..." -- kinda' reminds me of that old "fossil-like" saying --

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing..." -- Yeah, that's it, as long as I've got my own patheticly inconsequential conditions met, it doesn't matter what's "rotten" in the state of Denmark, eh...!?!

And to those who optimistically and enthusiastically think of (ALL?) things like "Kittenkrusher" apparently does, I say --

"Follow Bliss." -- That's it, just "Follow Bliss." ("the river" indeed always "finds a way")

And just so y'all know -- I DO "Blissfully" play 'inline' roller hockey almost every day in NYC's Central Park, as well as sponsor, "GM" and play-for the single-most internationally traveled ice hockey team in the world (hence, my very extensive experience with USAH at virtually all levels and intersections)..!!!

An evidenciary "clue" -- START with reading (cover-to-cover) the Ted Stevens Olympic And Amateur Sports Act (Title 36, chapter 17, section 391 United States Code -- "Federal Law", dudes!) -- THEN, carefully read ALL of USAH's (and USAH-Inline's) forms, policies, fees, bylaws and year-end corporate reports (and plans therein) -- this should give you a really good start on things ("the facts") if you're carefully taking notes, cross-referencing (between the LAW and USAH's materials) and paying very close, intelligent and patient attention (as I know a lot of you are clearly incapable of)...

[quick_dry]

ACCT2: can you check you PMs and get back to me, thanks. (BTW, has your team travelled out to Australia yet?)

Anyway, back on topic:
Given what I know from involvement with NGBs in my own neck of the woods, I'm fully prepared to believe that funds are 'not always spent in the best interests of the members', or other fiascos like Dave Easter and World Inline Cup. But giving links or detailed sources would be handy for those of us who aren't intimately knowledgable of USAH and the various characters involved.

I'm more than capable of reading and understanding the statutes/legislation, etc - but many of us don't have the time to spend digging through the details to find it all, if we had links or some concrete information it'd be really handy to see what is hapening over there.

[Wingman]

And just so y'all know -- I DO "Blissfully" play 'inline' roller hockey almost every day in NYC's Central Park,

Well... for someone who plays hockey, it really looks like you try to dis or bring down almost every inline hockey league/organization I know of. That might not be the case, but your bold letter and italic quotation fiasco really gives-off an angry "tone".

[ACCCT2]

I don't have the time, nor inclination to patiently "hold hands" and take people (who aren't willing to do so themselves) through the "chapter and verse" of legal statutes, case-building and legal strategies that would/will remedy the situations. And I'm certainly not going to give away anything ("on here") of "strategically legal" significance that might be key in a civil and/or prosecution of any cases (or cases) against USAH and/or the IIHF...

What I will say is that I know for an absolute "fact" that there is indeed a very comprehensive and broadly drawn "forensic" and "legal" case presently (even as we post) being built and brought aginst USAH and the IIHF for just exactly what I've put forth in my posts...and MUCH, MUCH MORE that HASN'T been -- USAH (and the IIHF) absolutely WILL be held accountable in a US Federal Court for all that they have so arrogantly initiated against the best interests of ice and 'inline' hockey loving players, teams and organizations both in the USA and abroad...

Funny you should ask about our coming to Australia, as our recently planned our trip there (as well as to New Zealand) was the victim of USAH (and IIHF) malfeasance, tort, slander and libel, as well as their absolutely "illegal" overseas "sanctioning" practices...

In the meantime, "quick_dry", I'll check my "PM" and get back to you later...

As for "Wingman's" comments, you're absolutely right about the "angry tone" -- too bad most of you are too easily (and willingly?) fooled and taken to get "angry" at anything that someone arrogantly and confidently does to you because they too know (TOO WELL?) that a good portion (if not most) of you are in a state of "not caring what they are paying for" enough to actually get "angry" about DO-nothing NGB's ripping-off the hard-earned member and sponsorship monies that are meant for YOU, but spent on THEM...

[quick_dry]

I wasn't suggesting hand holding, but a little example would be nice.

What level players/type of team is your travelling team that you needed to get the IIHF/USAH involved? We frequently have teams from overseas travel here to tour - Canada, Russia, USA. I don't know of any major fiascos with the imports in our National league getting their ITCs either (a few guys in other teams were slow, but my team had no worries).

I will say that when itrying to negotiate an affiliation between our inline hockey body and ice hockey to get IIHF and thus IOC recognition they tried to take a huge advantage over having us over a barrell.

Malfeasance?! sounds pretty serious, why would they try and sabotage a trip? What sort of sanctioning issues - they wanted you to pay fees or something?

I'm sure you already have your contacts over here, but if a trip over here is still on the cards I could put you in contact with the people to get demonstration games setup.

[Kittenkrusher]

Just a random comment why the **** didnt the NHLPA just start theyr own league, i mean theyr rich. I really think the owners an bettman ran hockey first because its kinda veiwed as the most potentialy subversive of sports enterprises, a bunch of middle class and upper middle class white kids... its like the hippies of pro sports an ****. Honestly **** the NHL, its only a vessel for the game anyway. You know torontoians would burn **** down just to keep the leafs name and theyd jack the ****n cup and together with monteal hide it till the playoffs. **** now thats a good reason for a military coup in the great white north, canadian Special forces could deliver the cup, man i could just see a bunch of ex Junior guys slap shotn grenades at trevor lindens punk ass. Seriouly cant he be tried for treason? Just to be real Im not an anti-capitalist per-se, but the only reason inline is still around is because the rink owners actualy love the game. If the players want to **** on the owners in the NHL they should just start buying all rinks in the towns across north america, and tell the next generation of players not to sign with the PA, in ten years there would be enough talent unbinded to the league to relaunch 6, sometimes its worth starting over. O and in ten years if america the beautiful hasnt collaped yet, there will be enough indy media and acces to succesful break bettmans ass like a toothpick, History has officaly resumed. Like a wise man once said "Money doesnt care who burns it".

[Center_ice]

Cosmo,

Not many understand what is going on here. People have been getting ripped off in inline hockey for years and you think your few post are going to change that. Win your lawsuit and maybe it will help make a difference. Get USAH out of inline so that this sport can move forward.

BTW, they can't prove you wrong because many are not involved enough to know where to start nor do they care.

Ted Stevens Sports Act? Now your really getting deep, most don't even know who the NGB is for inline let alone the Ted Stevens Sports Act.

[RichardGraham]

Mike,

Is this the same Ted Stevens who is currently being investigated by the FBI?

Just curious.