Talent Dillution

[columbus_RHstar]

With all the leagues there are now, does this help or hurt inline hockey?

The argument can be made for both viewpoints.

It can be seen as good, since there is competition that it forces each league to up the ante to put on the best show.

But

It can be bad since the talent can become dilluted. If you have all the best players spread out, then fans have to follow more than one league in the same sport and alot of people don't like the hassle. But then the fans who do make it out to games may not see the best possible game they can, and they may say, 'oh these guys aren't that great,' and never come back. Which hurts the sport.

So which is it, more than one pro league, good or bad for the development of inline hockey.

[DannyG]

excellent question...however, I perceive that there are enough quality players to work legitimately with triple the number of present semi-professional operations.

As more and more of these begin to be business-viable on a more fully pro-player level, then a true 'major' league will take on an umbrella, major city/major stadium role, and there will be a full-blown, multi-tier, developmental system in our sport, just like the other big-time sports.

<font color=purple>DannyG</font color=purple>

[Benny_Gulakiw]

There's lots of room to grow. In the Great Lakes area, which is where IHA is initially based, there is no outlet for all the talented players, especially when you factor in all the good players graduating from their college teams. Fans in this area don't get a chance to see PIHA teams or MLRH teams so now they have something to follow and can cheer their hometown fans. It may be more of a problem in the tri-state area (NY, NJ, PA) where there is some overlap between PIHA and MLRH as far as talent dilution and fan apathy due to too many teams to follow is concerned. With Speed Hockey, I think it's going to be different enough that it won't effect the fans or players in relation to traditional roller hockey. At least not at first.

There are lots of different parts of the country where the talent pool is growing (as more facilities are being built) and there is currently no elite leagues for their players to play in or for their fans to watch. Right now, it seems to me that the current leagues (IHA included) do not have a stable enough financial base to enter into these virgin markets to satisfy the need of elite players and fans. Keep in mind, in most cases (not all), teams do not have the financial capability of bringing in these talented players from other parts of the country.

I know someone will probably bring up all the tournament series that provide an outlet for talented players, but it is my opinion that many of these players (and their fans) are looking for an elite league to play in based on a traditional geographic model. I'm sure many of these players will continue to play on their tournament travel teams in addition to their hometown elite league team.

So basically, I believe that from a player and a fan standpoint, the elite or "pro" market is presently underserved and there's plenty of room for growth.

Benny Gulakiw
President
Inline Hockey America

[Superstar9]

I agree w/ danny... I believe that most of these leagues will end up being minor leagues for the BIG league that will be formed by someone w/ really deep pockets..

[MDE3]

In fact having a true player paid version of the pro sport(no offense to PIHA but no one there is giving up their "day jobs" yet) may just up the talent level with players now working and playing harder to reach for a version of the "brass ring"

[mlrhfan0001]

All these leagues at this point in time is GREAT for the sport. It means that people want it. If you look at the early stages of all sports they all had several leagues and they either failed, prospered, or merged together. DannyG was right with that a BIG league will eventually form, and Superstar9 is right that it will take someone with deep pockets to start it. I love what is happening and hope to see more. I'm sure the BIG league will probably incorporate a little bit of each pro league (at that time) into that BIG league. Now all we need is the person with the money....anyone have the winning lotto ticket...

[WMBG_GM]

Sure, I have the winning lotto numbers... I'll sell them to you, heck of a deal, just for you.......

I'm pretty sure I have stated this before, but I think the dream of "deep pockets" is just a dream. Actually I'd call it a nightmare. Money _always_ comes with strings. ALWAYS. The 64 million dollar question is: Can you live with those strings? Trust me on this, "venture capital" should have been an ancient Chinese curse.

For roller to evolve into a "make a living pro" sport, I think it will have to grow from within if it is going to resemble anything like what is played today. It will not happen overnight, and probably none of the names will be the same, but I do think it will happen.

Ben Loyall
GM
Williamsburg Warriors

[Benny_Gulakiw]

What everyone has said so far makes senses. Looking into my crystal ball, what I see happening is that from all these traditional leagues (current ones and prospective ones on the horizon), the players, the manufacturers and the fans will determine which one they want to support. Most, or all, the other leagues will merge and/or adapt the positive elements of the "chosen" league. Other leagues will "tier" out and become "AAA", "AA" or "A" minor leagues. This will be needed because there are players of varying talent levels that want to compete in a league format.

This is where Mr. Moneybags will show up. It will probably be Mr. Manufacturer Moneybags or Mr. TV Moneybags, who will see what's been developed, see the type of players who are playing in the league and the number of fans that are supporting it and will want to get a piece of the action. Before whichever Mr. Moneybags shows up, people and players need to make sacrifices to establish a league with a solid foundation. I think that's where we're all at right now.

I was going to say that the days of people blindly investing money into a roller hockey proposition is over. They've been burned too many times in the past. However, it appears that the people involved in Speed Hockey have a unique enough concept and are well connected enough that they convinced people to invest. IF THEIR CONCEPT FAILS, IT WILL BE ANOTHER MAJOR SET-BACK TO ALL OF ROLLER HOCKEY. However, if Speed Hockey succeeds, it could help shine the spotlight on all of roller hockey, including the traditional leagues.

Benny Gulakiw
President
Inline Hockey America

[ggriffaw]

I don't know what level all of the players in the newer leagues will come from, but many of the players that played in RHI were AA level ice hockey players. There are alot of AA level ice hockey players out there. I don't really think dillution will be a problem any time soon. It remains to be seen how many of these newer leagues will actually survive for very long.

[MDE3]

I think "Speed Hockey" is intended to be a dramatic departure from traditional Inline hockey and an even further departure from Ice hockey. It is a valid attempt to redefine the sport as separate from Ice hockey. Players who grow up playing the sport in this fashion, will have a much bigger advantage over players who grew up playing ice hockey as the differences in strategy and skill emphasis will begin to segregate even further from more traditional forms of hockey.

By estabishing a unique identity for this sport, it will allow itself to be differentiated from ice hockey and grow - as opposed to being looked at as a "weak sister" or where you go if you cant succeed playing ice hockey. While roller hockey players may not look at themnselves in this light, certainly many ice hockey players do, as do many of the fans. (Why would we go watch/play this stuff when we can go watch/play "real hockey"?)

I hope this attempt to create a "stand alone' version of inline hockey is given an open mind by those playing the traditional version, and that it can create the kind of excitement that the original version of inline hockey was intended to - as compared to ice hockey. I hope they allow full contact though as that element adds a "reality check" that validates the sport in the minds of a lot of fans - certainly at the "Pro" level.

[Superstar9]

As much as I HATE playing full check and I mean HATE!!! he has a point as far as it needs to be full check to be valid to a lot of the fans at a pro level. I agree from that perspective.. but as I player I hate that he's right.

[missionhockey21]

That is true, why arent there any extremely rich roller hockey lovers? lol

[missionhockey21]

It will happen, but how long it will take is the question?

[missionhockey21]

If it succeeds, it will be a major step foward for roller hockey.

[missionhockey21]

I dont think the dillution will be a problem either. If you build it, they will come. lol