AIHL Committed Teams

[AIHL]

As of June 29th below is a list of teams that have committed to the AIHL

Atlantic Division
Philadelphia Growl
Feasterville Fury
Philadelphia Revolution
NJ Stampede
NJ Grizzlies
Aston Demolition

Northeast Division
Boston Swamp Rats
Massachusetts Bombers
Hartford Fire ants


Mason Dixon Division
Pittsburgh Bandits
Richmond Robins
SC Pirates
Maryland Knights

Southwest Division
Phoenix Dragons
El Paso Black Diamonds
Tucson Desperados


Pacific Division
East Bay Jaws
San Jose Pirates
Northern California Mustangs
Sacramento Saxons

[ddawgz]

as long as there is professional roller hockey in san jose im cool with it

[minutemen]

So only a few days after the meeting, the AIHL has 20 teams already. I expect alot more to come on board after what I heard at the meeting from the owners.

[InlineMBA]

So only a few days after the meeting, the AIHL has 20 already. I expect alot more to come on board afetr what I hear dat the meeting.

Justin - a few words of advice? Don't drive today. You made me dizzy just reading your post.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[InlineMBA]

PIHA - REMAINING TEAMS

1-Connecticut Blaze
2-Long Island 495'ers
3-Marple Gladiators *?*
4-Harrisburg Lunatics
5-Scottdale Inferno
6-Potomac Mavericks
7-Winchester Generals
8-Raleigh Assault
9-York Typhoon
10-Williamsburg Stingers
11-Midwest Tornados
12-Chicago Untouchables
13-Southside Snipers
14-St. Louis Cobras
15-River City Whalers
16-Cincinnati Flying Monkees
17-Colorado Springs Thunder
18-Westminster Blizzard
19-Lakewood Fire
20-Fort Collins Catz
21-Parker Prowlers
22-Arizona Strike *?*

Pretty close as far as number of teams between PIHA and AIHL.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[AIHL]

5 additional teams have committed but wish to publicly announce their move on their own. The AIHL also has 5 teams in Southern California and are currently being assembled to play in the AIHL. The remaining teams posted by inlineMBA have not yet committed but most have contacted us and are very impressed with what we have to offer. We will only post the teams that have publicly committed to play in the AIHA there will be no speculation. We realize the remaining teams need to take the time to make decisions that are in their team’s best interest. Once they make their decision we will then post all of the new teams that have already committed to the AIHL.

[hockeyrules]

Looks like 30 major teams and counting. With Socal in that is huge.
60 teams 30 major 30 minor. It will be interesting to see how many more will come on board. This is exactly what the sport needs. GO AIHL

[minutemen]

Steve,

I fixed my post. I was feeding my son when I did it. Hope all is well.

[ARHA]

PIHA - REMAINING TEAMS

1-Connecticut Blaze
2-Long Island 49[5]'ers
3-Marple Gladiators
4-Harrisburg Lunatics
5-Scottdale Inerno
6-Potomac Mavericks
7-Winchester Generals
8-Raleigh Assault
9-York Typhoon
10-Williamsburg Stingers
11-Midwest Tornados
12-Chicago Untouchables
13-Southside Snipers
14-St. Louis Cobras
15-River City Whalers
16-Cincinnati Flying Monkees
17-Colorado Springs Thunder
18-Westminster Blizzard
19-Lakewood Fire
20-Fort Collins Catz
21-Parker Prowlers
22-Arizona Strike

Pretty close as far as number of teams between PIHA and AIHL.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

Your numbers are a bit off. You have some teams listed that are not returning to PIHA next season.

[alex]

PIHA - REMAINING TEAMS

22-Arizona Strike

Pretty close as far as number of teams between PIHA and AIHL.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

You can take the Strike off that list. They didn't pay PIHA last year, no way they're being let back in. Even if they did, they have no division to be a part of. If there is an AZ Strike next year, no way it's in PIHA.

[Berry_Bramble]

I am sure a couple of new PIHA teams might pop up....where do the 495ers stand...Flynn...inside info?

[thepredictor]

Rumor has it that Dustin Roux has officially commited to the Feasterville Fury for the 2008 AIHL season.

He is going to be attending school out here in Eastern PA.

I guess that is going to make Mr. Haze a happy man!

Mr. Haze any comments!

[GROWL]

I am sure a couple of new PIHA teams might pop up....where do the 495ers stand...Flynn...inside info?

I do not make 495er decisions, but Dave did say he will play where the bulk of the teams go.

[ARHA]

...but Dave did say he will play where the bulk of the teams go.

In their division, this is split 50:50.

[pghbandit11]

Rumor has it that Dustin Roux has officially commited to the Feasterville Fury for the 2008 AIHL season.

He is going to be attending school out here in Eastern PA.

I guess that is going to make Mr. Haze a happy man!

Mr. Haze any comments!

Yeah Haze beat us in the bidding war for Dustin, we're screwed.:D

[PGHhockey]

Hmmm...PSU is considered eastern PA? Guess that's why all the Pitt fans hate them so much...

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

Yeah Haze beat us in the bidding war for Dustin, we're screwed.:D

I made him an offer he couldn't refuse!

[nyrhatric]

Any body know who has officially committed to staying with PIHA?

And how many of the piha teams that had trouble last year will be playing again? Will Williamsburg be putting a team together again?

Robert Henry

[minutemen]

I have not heard anything about teams playing PIHA. All the teams were on conference at the meeting except CO. All the teams that have not committed yet were upset and were happy of what the AIHL had to offer. In my opinion , PIHA should be nervous at this point. I was told by the front office of PIHA that all owners were being sent emails with information and to inform PIHA of the teams status. This was supposed to happen before that meeting and I received nothing. The only things that have been metioned is partnerships with USAInline and State Wars.

So it looks like AIHL has alot of teams already and expect more before the deadline that was issued by AIHL, which is Thursday.

[swhite]

Any body know who has officially committed to staying with PIHA?

And how many of the piha teams that had trouble last year will be playing again? Will Williamsburg be putting a team together again?

Robert Henry

I don't run the Williamsburg team, but I will hopefully find out tomorrow what the team's thoughts are concerning the league. They may already know something, I'm not in the loop so wouldn't know. My guess is that the team will be where other teams are, especially if Richmond and Maryland are there. Hopefully the other VA teams will move also.
They have also renamed the team to the Virginia Militia.

[Patn Lawton]

Is this deadline on Thursday for PIHA teams are all teams in general? I just moved down to the area where the Potomac Mavericks play. I haven't really met the guys yet besides Shrauger who I knew from college. I think the Mav's are staying with PIHA but I am not sure. I am hoping some of the guys would be interested in this league, and if not that I would be able to find some other guys to play in the league.

[joisyan]

this is where it gets rough. here in winc i have no idea which league we're going/staying with. but either way the travel will suck ass. if we join AIHL we'd be going from PITT to SC. the closest game would be a one and a half hour drive to maryland. if we stay PIHA it looks like potomac would be the only close drive (as it was last season) and harisburg...then what? sucks...

[Wingman]

The AIHL is supposed to schedule more games in a weekend, so we'll have less traveling to do. PIHA will probably end up doing the same since a lot of teams are concerned about travel.

[Patn Lawton]

Sounds like it may be a lot more like college roller events, a bunch of teams go to one place on a weekend and play tournament style but the games are just regular season games.

[Doug Jones]

In looking at this list, let's look at the quality not the quantity. These five teams commit to AIHL and PIHA's existence in the east is very shallow

Connecticut Blaze
Long Island 495'ers
Harrisburg Lunatics
Scottdale Inferno

I know the only team so far is the Potomac Mavericks who are committed to staying with PIHA. I hope they go where the majority of the teams are and the talent will be...


We all know of the problems in the PIHA Arch gateway division.
Midwest Tornados
Chicago Untouchables
Southside Snipers
St. Louis Cobras

Colorado may remain where they are due to their involvement with CJ Yoder and I don't see why they would change if they all had a good experience.
Colorado Springs Thunder
Westminster Blizzard
Lakewood Fire
Fort Collins Catz
Parker Prowlers

New expansion teams are looking to get into the league and their needs to be a committee that requires interview, roster check and validation of the teams wishing to be expansion franchises. After last year and our debacle, I fully volunteer to help in that area to ensure new teams meet criteria to get into the league.

I can say that the Pirates will do what it takes to make the work. However, my concerns are voiced with Williamsburg and Winchester. While both teams are good people, they are not competitive at the pro level and re -evaluation should take place to have them compete at a level if AIHL offers it where they will be competitive. Again, Williamsburg was a nightmare to deal with and Winchester are good guys, they just need to become competitive. Williamsburg's cancelling last minute games and no shows, leave me doubting they would be serious to commit to do what it takes for this league.

Alot of work needs to be done and at this point, while I again I raise my hand and say that I am NOT a fan of AAU, I will help the AIHL anyway I can to make this work for all of us.

[Center_ice]

While checking out the lead story on the front page I notice in the Mexico picture what appears to be a dasher board ad that looks very simalar to the AIHL banner on their website? Can anyone verifiy this?

[GROWL]

I can now confirm that the LI 495ers will be playing in the AIHL next season after speaking with their owner today.

[DCbullets14]

CenterIce
I didnt get to look at the picture but most likely it was an AIHL banner. AAU had numerous AIHL banners and board ads on all rinks at the Junior Olympics. AAU most have got moving on this really quickly to have all that prepared for the event.

[PGHhockey]

That's because AIHL had all of their "ducks in a row" before making any official announcements.

As stated in one of my previous posts...they had the steak first, and now they're able to sell the steak and the sizzle.

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

Yes those were AIHL banners on the rink. The AAU really got their stuff together top get this off the ground!

GO AIHL!!!!

[Berry_Bramble]

Yes those were AIHL banners on the rink. The AAU really got their stuff together top get this off the ground!

GO AIHL!!!!

There is a first time for everything.

[kicksave60]

so how much is this league going to cost a player? I mean, you still have to pay2play pro level elite commando style roller hockey right? Isn't basically an exact replica of the PIHA? What league fees are there? Another $400 bucks? Don't get me wrong if you want play, you will pay. But make worth the 400 or whatever. More games for the buck!


just because you change the wrapper.....doesn't make it taste any better!

After the reading the AIHL's website they have only three bullets for player benefits that have nothing to do with 90% of the players. What about things like......more games....less travel AND teams have matching PAID uniforms from the league AND an actual players union that ACTUALLY does something for the players. Something else than the other option for hockey. Is this league going to run during the same months as the PIHA?

What about game format?

[hockkid13]

I agree, I have always had my reservations about AAU. However, seeing that this league will be run by the owners, I think it has a real good opportunity to succeed. I know such owners like Jeff and Flynn work very hard for their teams to progress in this sport and if people like them are behind what runs this league I don't see why it would fail. Obviously I am not saying there won't be bumps, that is bound to happen, but I think the foundation is there and hopefully can be built on with success. But this is only IMO, and I am just a fan/player looking at it from the outside.

[InlineMBA]

There is a first time for everything.

My thought exactly.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[FrankFrank]

Doug,

A quick aside here about teams... where ever Williamsburg ends up (league-wise), they will be a team that will look Nothing like last year's catastrophe known as the Stingers. More then likely, they will fly under a new name, and I know that the people involved with this new Williamsburg organization will be top notch from their work they've done in the past with the Williamsburg Warriors of the MLRH. WISC always has been a good venue for games as well. So I highly doubt Williamsburg will be a problem.

F~F

[kicksave60]

Yes those were AIHL banners on the rink. The AAU really got their stuff together top get this off the ground!

GO AIHL!!!!

no offense but just because someone made some banners doesn't make it AWESOME! but it is cool to see banners. AAU should supply them to all the rinks that house an AIHL team

[Berry_Bramble]

After the reading the AIHL's website they have only three bullets for player benefits that have nothing to do with 90% of the players. What about things like......more games....less travel AND teams have matching PAID uniforms from the league AND an actual players union that ACTUALLY does something for the players. Something else than the other option for hockey. Is this league going to run during the same months as the PIHA?

What about game format?

No questioning the AIHL sir....it is all AAU really offers other than insurance....they use the whole team usa thing as a get and national governing body..which both really don't mean a thing in the younger age groups really, and honestly the same people are going to be asked to there camp for AAU regardless of the AIHL....ok I am done now...I promise...No more AAU bashing..will see if they can deliver...i'll just bash away on my end of the pond.

[cal16]

berrybramble... you really need to get a life. if you dont like AAU dont play. I know you had teams in the tournament, so why not just take your team to NARCH and the oh so popular TORHS tournament (which only has 150 teams)

Everyone comes on here and says we need to unite the sport, and apparently you miss that entire concept. Go to San Jose, where you will be happy. I think most people are tired of hearing your crying.

And like it or not AAU is running the AIHL, and yes it will take over as the premiere league to play in next season. After a few more teams announce the switch, PIHA will be dead, along with that State wars and USAHIL alliance.

By the way, if you ask any kid at Feasterville this weekend what their goal as a hockey player is when they grow up, most of them will tell you it is to wear the Red, White, and Blue for their country. And to do this you have to make the Jr. World team or the Men's team, which NARCh doesn't offer. I know people who have won NARCh platinum over 5 times, but that doesn't give them the chance to play overseas for their country.

Playing for my country, is quite frankly, a little more important to me.. than another gold medal here at home. :)

[GROWL]

no offense but just because someone made some banners doesn't make it AWESOME! but it is cool to see banners. AAU should supply them to all the rinks that house an AIHL team

This was part of the proposal that was discussed at our meeting. A media package for each team which included things like banners, table covers, helmet and puck stickers, ect...

so how much is this league going to cost a player? I mean, you still have to pay2play pro level elite commando style roller hockey right? Isn't basically an exact replica of the PIHA? What league fees are there? Another $400 bucks? Don't get me wrong if you want play, you will pay. But make worth the 400 or whatever. More games for the buck!


just because you change the wrapper.....doesn't make it taste any better!

After the reading the AIHL's website they have only three bullets for player benefits that have nothing to do with 90% of the players. What about things like......more games....less travel AND teams have matching PAID uniforms from the league AND an actual players union that ACTUALLY does something for the players. Something else than the other option for hockey. Is this league going to run during the same months as the PIHA?

What about game format?

No one is claiming that this league is going to cost way less, but here is what the AIHL will promise. That 100% of the money will go to the running of the league, that every penny will be accounted for on a regular basis, and that there will be a democratic system for input on how the money is delegated in the first place.

AN exact replica... NO, the entire system wasn't flawed. This same situation occured in the college league years ago and the outcome was a master piece. We need to stop making this about NARCh, USA Hockey, and AAU and make it about the owners and players in these leagues.

Finally there is also a topic on the table to form a players association. Discussion will take place at our next meeting in the formation and description of such am association.

[seanth123]

so how much is this league going to cost a player? I mean, you still have to pay2play pro level elite commando style roller hockey right? Isn't basically an exact replica of the PIHA? What league fees are there? Another $400 bucks? Don't get me wrong if you want play, you will pay. But make worth the 400 or whatever. More games for the buck!


just because you change the wrapper.....doesn't make it taste any better!

After the reading the AIHL's website they have only three bullets for player benefits that have nothing to do with 90% of the players. What about things like......more games....less travel AND teams have matching PAID uniforms from the league AND an actual players union that ACTUALLY does something for the players. Something else than the other option for hockey. Is this league going to run during the same months as the PIHA?

What about game format?

You are kidding me right? Is this a serious post, or did you just fall off the turnip truck? Are you asking legitimate questions, or just trying to stir the pot?

Of course you are going to pay to play. Will you pay less this year, probably? Will you get more for your money, YES.

Why is their no TRUE players association in PIHA? Do you think they will ever have a TRUE association? Um, NO!

The league would not even allow the owners/investors have a say on operations/finances, what makes you think as a player you would ever have a say-so? Get real man!

The owners basically said enough! Enough of using your money, THEIR money, and enough of personal agendas. Time to take control of the sport, and provide the management needed to fairly get the job done!

Remember that many of the owners have or still do play, and most pay more out of pocket than individual players do for the teams. At least you get to PLAY, they get to WORK for their investment. They are in it to make the sport better! And without the backing/support of the owners, you are playing rec hockey!

PIHA = investors money + PIHA rules/mgt ideas.

AIHL = investors money + Consolidated league (owners/players) rules/mgt ideas.

AIHL is as close as one gets to a “players league”, any chance of a TRUE player’s association will only take place in this venue. This is the best concept of a well managed league as inline has ever produced. With the support of all owners and players, WORKING TOGETHER, this league will benefit all involved. The AIHL management appears to be taking all of the necessary management to make this work. This is a HUGE process, and my hats go off to all involved with the planning, AND FOLLOW-UP that is taking place here.

Either keep on rolling into the ditch, or get up, brush yourself off, get your head back into the game, and run down that truck you just fell off. Shouldn’t be hard to find, the license plate reads: AIHL 2008!

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

I agree, I have always had my reservations about AAU. However, seeing that this league will be run by the owners, I think it has a real good opportunity to succeed. I know such owners like Jeff and Flynn work very hard for their teams to progress in this sport and if people like them are behind what runs this league I don't see why it would fail. Obviously I am not saying there won't be bumps, that is bound to happen, but I think the foundation is there and hopefully can be built on with success. But this is only IMO, and I am just a fan/player looking at it from the outside.

Thank you for the kind words Shaun. Myself and Flynn do appreciate it when people realize the time and care we put not only into our teams but the league.

no offense but just because someone made some banners doesn't make it AWESOME! but it is cool to see banners. AAU should supply them to all the rinks that house an AIHL team

All of the owners who were present at that meeting or on the conference call know all the benefits not only to the management but for the individual player as well.

Yes, the players will have a say when it comes to the league as well. Remember all the players and the owners are what make the league successful.

There is going to be a marketing package provided to all teams which is included in their league cost. Also yes the teams will have AIHL dahser boards to put up at their rink which is part of this package.

[alex]

Is the fact that league is run by AAU going to affect there being a cash prize to league champs/conference champs?

[Berry_Bramble]

berrybramble... you really need to get a life. if you dont like AAU dont play. I know you had teams in the tournament, so why not just take your team to NARCH and the oh so popular TORHS tournament (which only has 150 teams)

Everyone comes on here and says we need to unite the sport, and apparently you miss that entire concept. Go to San Jose, where you will be happy. I think most people are tired of hearing your crying.

And like it or not AAU is running the AIHL, and yes it will take over as the premiere league to play in next season. After a few more teams announce the switch, PIHA will be dead, along with that State wars and USAHIL alliance.

By the way, if you ask any kid at Feasterville this weekend what their goal as a hockey player is when they grow up, most of them will tell you it is to wear the Red, White, and Blue for their country. And to do this you have to make the Jr. World team or the Men's team, which NARCh doesn't offer. I know people who have won NARCh platinum over 5 times, but that doesn't give them the chance to play overseas for their country.

Playing for my country, is quite frankly, a little more important to me.. than another gold medal here at home. :)

This is my life..pathetic I know...you don't have to tell me. Your right...all hail AAU...please save us...something you where supposed to do..long..long ago.....i'll go back to my side of the pond now.

[Wingman]

Flynn/Jeff:

Do you have anymore info on the AIHL meeting?

[AIHL]

As of July 1st below is a list of teams MAJOR and MINOR that have committed to the AIHL

Atlantic Division
1-Philadelphia Growl
2-Feasterville Fury
3-Philadelphia Revolution
4-NJ Stampede to be renamed
5-NJ Grizzlies
6-Aston Demolition
7-
8-
* 2 New Teams will be added to this division TBA

Northeast Division
9-CT. Blaze
10-L.I. 495ers
11-Boston Swamp Rats
12-Massachusetts Bombers
13-Hartford Fire ants


Mason Dixon Division
14-Pittsburgh Bandits
15-Richmond Robins
16-SC Pirates
17-Maryland Knights

Southwest Division
18-Phoenix Dragons
19-El Paso Black Diamonds
20-Tucson Desperados
* New Teams will be added to this division TBA


Pacific Division
21-East Bay Jaws
22-San Jose Pirates
23-Northern California Mustangs
24-Saxons Will have a new Name

SoCAL Division
25- To Be Named
26- To Be Named
27- To Be Named
28- To Be Named
* 4 New Teams will be added to this division TBA

[General28]

Doug Jones wrote:

I can say that the Pirates will do what it takes to make the work. However, my concerns are voiced with Williamsburg and Winchester. While both teams are good people, they are not competitive at the pro level and re -evaluation should take place to have them compete at a level if AIHL offers it where they will be competitive. Again, Williamsburg was a nightmare to deal with and Winchester are good guys, they just need to become competitive. Williamsburg's cancelling last minute games and no shows, leave me doubting they would be serious to commit to do what it takes for this league.


~~~~~~~~~

Doug, while I agree that the league needs to be competitive, I disagree that Winchester was a problem this year. While we did not win any games in the Pro division we did remain competitive in many of our games. I believe that you are basing your opinion of us on the two games that you played against us. I am not making excuses for us. Would I like to see us win games, sure, but also look at Richmond the first year they came into the league. I am pretty sure they didnt have many wins either. We are making many changes here and I hope we get the chance to play you this year to come if we join AIHL.

[joisyan]

one thing that no one's touched on is game format. PLEASE tell me we're dropping the two 12min halves. and going back to 3 periods!

[J88]

I am still a big fan of the 4 quarter 12-minute. that is roller hockey.

[ARHA]

one thing that no one's touched on is game format. PLEASE tell me we're dropping the two 12min halves. and going back to 3 periods!

That type of stuff is going to be discussed and voted on by the owners.

[minutemen]

Once all teams enter the league, The AIHL will set up another meeting/conference to make votes on everything.

[Wingman]

I think they're planning on doing the same double-header format that PIHA does.

[HockeyFan1989]

I really think it would be a good idea to eliminate the 2 12 minute half game, and go to a 3 period, full length game, just so you have another claim, that the AIHL is not a replica of PIHA.

[joisyan]

i personally think that the whole "double header" idea is completely contradictive. from what i heard, it was designed to give teams a better chance to get wins. instead of playing a 4 period game, and getting swamped one half and coming back the second half in a losing effort. it's designed to give a team a loss for their first half swamping, and a win for their second half efforts. well in most cases all it did was dishearten a team from a first "game" loss, and then the second game was close to the same effect. i think if you're going to lose, you're going to lose. i dont want such a short game (2 12 min. halves) it's not very fun. once your team just gets into it's routine, the game's over. then you have to wait for the next game to start. and in most cases, there were goalie changes, line adjustments. completely blew the idea out of the water. again, just my opinion.

[Doug Jones]

Doug Jones wrote:

I can say that the Pirates will do what it takes to make the work. However, my concerns are voiced with Williamsburg and Winchester. While both teams are good people, they are not competitive at the pro level and re -evaluation should take place to have them compete at a level if AIHL offers it where they will be competitive. Again, Williamsburg was a nightmare to deal with and Winchester are good guys, they just need to become competitive. Williamsburg's cancelling last minute games and no shows, leave me doubting they would be serious to commit to do what it takes for this league.


~~~~~~~~~

Doug, while I agree that the league needs to be competitive, I disagree that Winchester was a problem this year. While we did not win any games in the Pro division we did remain competitive in many of our games. I believe that you are basing your opinion of us on the two games that you played against us. I am not making excuses for us. Would I like to see us win games, sure, but also look at Richmond the first year they came into the league. I am pretty sure they didnt have many wins either. We are making many changes here and I hope we get the chance to play you this year to come if we join AIHL.

Please re read my post. I never said you were a problem or your team, my problems were with the Williamsburg team and their lack of courtesy, return phone calls and following up on the schedule.

My only issue with Winchester was competitiveness.

[Tekkaman]

With longer games, you get bigger blowouts and i don't think fan's will be too happy about those games. With the 2 12 min games, blowouts were only 10-1, but if you have games that are double the time, 20-2 score is pretty bad to watch. Unless everyone likes to able to get 8 goals and 6 assist during those blowout games. I think if you want longer games, you have to make sure teams are well matched, because if they aren't, it's just like watching a A level team playing a C level team. Not fun at all!

[-venom-]

dammit we need a team here in Vegas :(

[alex]

dammit we need a team here in Vegas :(

Yes you do...or there probably won't be a Southwest division.

[joisyan]

i completely understand where you're coming from tekkaman. but the fans arent idiots. they can add up the two games to know that a team lost by a combined score of 20 something to 5. there is absolutely no advantage to playing two split time games. at all. i never agreed with it and still dont, personally.

one of the hidden reasons behind splitting the games in two is to

A. make the players think they're getting more games. that we're getting our money's worth. a 32 game season sounds alot better than a 16 game season.

B. to get more fans for the buck. an average joe might see it as a great deal to see 4 games for the price of one. when in reality they're just seeing two games

not trying to be a pric here, just saying that i'd like to see AIHL go to 3 periods

[joisyan]

hey doug, i think rob took what you wrote as we were a problem for not being competitive. cause he's trying to explain that we were competitive in alot of our games. definately not all! haha

but we may have lost games 7-3 that should've been overtime thrillers, just couldnt finish goals. that kinda thing.

[hockkid13]

dammit we need a team here in Vegas :(

Why don't you just move home Bob???

[General28]

hey doug, i think rob took what you wrote as we were a problem for not being competitive. cause he's trying to explain that we were competitive in alot of our games. definately not all! haha

but we may have lost games 7-3 that should've been overtime thrillers, just couldnt finish goals. that kinda thing.


Thanks Tim. That's exactly what I meant.

[FrankFrank]

Just a comment about the number of periods and length of them...

I made the same comment in a post a while back, Joisyan, you're right, the fans aren't idiots... but they also have the choice to show up or not to a 2 game event. If a fan KNOWS that a team is gonna beat the snot out of a team 20-1, why go? You know who's gonna win, and it becomes boring to watch. "yay... they scored... again." By breaking it up into 2 games instead of 4 period game, you give the losing team a chance to regroup, comeback, and keep things interesting. Ask Maryland and Potomac how it felt when the Typhoon came back over the top of them after losing game 1 in one of their series. (no knocks on either club, just making a point here.) Thats the reason for the shortened games.

Along with it came the extra number of games. Trust me, playing in 32 4-period games is a LONG season. I believe that was year 2 of PIHA. That's roughly 3/5's of the weekends in a year spent playing games if you played 1 game a weekend.

And finally... Think back on all of the games you can possibly remember as Memorible in the NHL... were they 10-1 blowouts, or 3-2 OT games. That's why there were 2 games.

However... I agree that roller hockey should be played in 3 periods. Obviously a copycat of the ice community, but it the only other alternative would be to do the double headers, but run them as 2 - 15 or 18 minute periods.

Frank~Frank

[DCbullets14]

does anyone know how the setup for the AIHL will work? Is it like college (event style) or PIHA where there is 2 only 2 teams playing? I think with the event setup the games should be longer because if a game becomes a blow out than fans can simply wait a little while and catch the next game between the next 2 teams.

[icehog]

I kind of like the double header idea. It gives both goalies a chance to play, especially after a long drive.

And we saw alot of splits last season, made for some great action.

Maybe make the 2 games a minute or two longer instead of one long game.

[VaInline]

. However, my concerns are voiced with Williamsburg and Winchester. While both teams are good people, they are not competitive at the pro level and re -evaluation should take place to have them compete at a level if AIHL offers it where they will be competitive. Again, Williamsburg was a nightmare to deal with and Winchester are good guys, they just need to become competitive. Williamsburg's cancelling last minute games and no shows, leave me doubting they would be serious to commit to do what it takes for this league.


After reading this comment, I feel compelled to respond.

First a little history about the Williamsburg PIHA entry during last season:

Beginning in February 2008, a group of players from the Williamsburg rec league got together and decided that they would like to compete at higher levels. With an eye on playing a few tournaments and joining PIHA in the 2008-09 season, the players began to practice together and they asked me (a guy with 15 years coaching experience) to coach them.

Since there is only one facility for inline hockey in our area and that facility was already booked with soccer, basketball, volleyball, and inline league play - the only viable time for practice turned out to be 10:30pm on Tuesday nights. Nevertheless, for most practices we had 15-20 guys showing up.

Meanwhile, for reasons I don't fully know or understand, a PIHA team in Savannah, GA (the Stingers) first lost their rink and eventually folded. That was when I received a phone call in early March from Charlie Yoder asking me if our team could possiibly jump in and help save at least part of the Stingers' PIHA schedule.

The guys were working hard and improving, but after only a few practices and only 2 players who had ever competed at that level, there is no way the team was ready for elite inline hockey play - either from a skill or organizational point of view (the team had NO sponsors and played in borrowed jerseys and mismatched equipment). Nevertheless, with an eye toward the future, and knowing that they would probably endure some pretty one-sided losses, the players voted unanimously to give it a shot.

Beginning March 15, the Williamsburg Stingers started things with some lop-sided losses at Raleigh. Knowing that the home rink was pretty-well booked, we did the best we can at cobbling back together a schedule. We played Richmond at home on a previously unscheduled night (thank you to Richard Kent and the Robins for their cooperation). We had a trip scheduled to Maryland for that night, but changed our trip to Waldorf to later in the season to accomodate scheduling issues they had. We ended-up playing 4 minor and 4 pro games versus Raleigh one night in Williamsburg to help accomodate Raleigh's needs.

The only scheduling problems the WILLIAMSBURG Stingers had were versus South Carolina. Apparently, prior to Williamsburg taking over the Stingers' schedule, there had already been problems with the Savannah versus South Carolina scheduling. In trying to put together games versus South Carolina we were told that the Pirates players could only play their scheduled games on the date originally scheduled (and that's understandable - when you have a long-scheduled date, players who work other jobs for a living make plans around those dates). However, except for a very early morning time slot. that date was already taken at our rink. The Pirates offered to host the game at their rink, but with Williamsburg paying for the rink rental and officials. Since our players pay their own way, we put it to a vote and only 3 of the 16 players felt they could make the trip on that date due to financial and job considerations.

Doug, I certainly understand your frustration at not playing the scheduled games versus the Stingers (Savannah and Williamsburg), but we were equally frustrated too. If we had a schedule which had been set-up for our team prior to the season starting, we would not have had the problems with scrambling to find rink time and officials that we did. Could we have done better from a scheduling point of view? Perhaps. But for a bunch of guys jumping into the fire like they did and trying to cobble back together a broken schedule, I'm proud of the meager efforts of the Williamsburg team.

While I cannot comment on what happened prior to March 15, I can state unequivocably that at no time did the Williamsburg team EVER cancel a game at the last minute or fail to show up. That NEVER happened and will never happen as long as I am involved.

Going forward, the Williamsburg Stingers team no longer exists.

Now there is a new team forming in Williamsburg operating as the Virginia Militia. Several players from other elite teams have joined the effort (including guys from the defunct Williamsburg Warriors and Hampton Roads Destroyers) and the talent level has definately improved. As I mentioned earlier, when the team started practicing, our goal was to be ready for the 2008-09 season, we are well on schedule, and want very much to be part of the new league. The failures of a different team in the past should carry absolutely no weight in any consideration of the Virginia Militia.

Sorry to have rambled on so long about this in this post, but I coud not let the quoted comment go without addressing it. (Thank you Frank Frank for your comment in support of our efforts here.)

Dave Morgan

[Phelan96]

Does anyone else agree that minor penalties should be shortened if the time of the game is 2 12 minute halves? If a team gets 3 minor penalties thats half the period the other team is on the power play....it's a bit much

[Doug Jones]

After reading this comment, I feel compelled to respond.

First a little history about the Williamsburg PIHA entry during last season:

Beginning in February 2008, a group of players from the Williamsburg rec league got together and decided that they would like to compete at higher levels. With an eye on playing a few tournaments and joining PIHA in the 2008-09 season, the players began to practice together and they asked me (a guy with 15 years coaching experience) to coach them.

Since there is only one facility for inline hockey in our area and that facility was already booked with soccer, basketball, volleyball, and inline league play - the only viable time for practice turned out to be 10:30pm on Tuesday nights. Nevertheless, for most practices we had 15-20 guys showing up.

Meanwhile, for reasons I don't fully know or understand, a PIHA team in Savannah, GA (the Stingers) first lost their rink and eventually folded. That was when I received a phone call in early March from Charlie Yoder asking me if our team could possiibly jump in and help save at least part of the Stingers' PIHA schedule.

The guys were working hard and improving, but after only a few practices and only 2 players who had ever competed at that level, there is no way the team was ready for elite inline hockey play - either from a skill or organizational point of view (the team had NO sponsors and played in borrowed jerseys and mismatched equipment). Nevertheless, with an eye toward the future, and knowing that they would probably endure some pretty one-sided losses, the players voted unanimously to give it a shot.

Beginning March 15, the Williamsburg Stingers started things with some lop-sided losses at Raleigh. Knowing that the home rink was pretty-well booked, we did the best we can at cobbling back together a schedule. We played Richmond at home on a previously unscheduled night (thank you to Richard Kent and the Robins for their cooperation). We had a trip scheduled to Maryland for that night, but changed our trip to Waldorf to later in the season to accomodate scheduling issues they had. We ended-up playing 4 minor and 4 pro games versus Raleigh one night in Williamsburg to help accomodate Raleigh's needs.

The only scheduling problems the WILLIAMSBURG Stingers had were versus South Carolina. Apparently, prior to Williamsburg taking over the Stingers' schedule, there had already been problems with the Savannah versus South Carolina scheduling. In trying to put together games versus South Carolina we were told that the Pirates players could only play their scheduled games on the date originally scheduled (and that's understandable - when you have a long-scheduled date, players who work other jobs for a living make plans around those dates). However, except for a very early morning time slot. that date was already taken at our rink. The Pirates offered to host the game at their rink, but with Williamsburg paying for the rink rental and officials. Since our players pay their own way, we put it to a vote and only 3 of the 16 players felt they could make the trip on that date due to financial and job considerations.

Doug, I certainly understand your frustration at not playing the scheduled games versus the Stingers (Savannah and Williamsburg), but we were equally frustrated too. If we had a schedule which had been set-up for our team prior to the season starting, we would not have had the problems with scrambling to find rink time and officials that we did. Could we have done better from a scheduling point of perhaps? Perhaps. But for a bunch of guys jumping into the fire like they did and trying to cobble back together a broken schedule, I'm proud of the meager efforts of the Williamsburg team.

While I cannot comment on what happened prior to March 15, I can state unequivocably that at no time did the Williamsburg team EVER cancel a game at the last minute or fail to show up. That NEVER happened and will never happen as long as I am involved.

Going forward, the Williamsburg Stingers team no longer exists.

Now there is a new team forming in Williamsburg operating as the Virginia Militia. Several players from other elite teams have joined the effort (including guys from the defunct Williamsburg Warriors and Hampton Roads Destroyers) and the talent level has definately improved. As I mentioned earlier, when the team started practicing, our goal was to be ready for the 2008-09 season, we are well on schedule, and want very much to be part of the new league. The failures of a different team in the past should carry absolutely no weight in any consideration of the Virginia Militia.

Sorry to have rambled on so long about this in this post, but I coud not let the quoted comment go without addressing it. (Thank you Frank Frank for your comment in support of our efforts here.)

Dave Morgan


Dave:

Sorry, I don't agree. My dealings with your organization were frustrating and there was no accountability. We were left hanging at the mercy of a team which had not paid it's league fee and also decided to vote on what games they would attend.

For the record, your organization confirmed and cancelled Sunday games on a Friday afternoon after several attempts to contact your team all week.

Regardless of the name change, I look at how our organization was treated, the lack of courtesy and professionalism which was NOT extended our way with these problems.

So, Williamsburg, Virginia, whatever it may be, I stand behind my statement of the lack of competitiveness, the lack of courtesy and professionalism and now of course, the defense of those actions and the lack of complete accountability.

One more thing I want to clarify, we were told by a team representative on a Tuesday, you would be coming to play at our rink when the dates at your rink were unavailable. I informed your rep that our rink owner only wanted the refs paid for and offered a reduced rate per hour to your team to help get the games in. After all, it's a business.

on Thursday evening, I received a phone call telling me that the organization was not coming and that the "coach" had vetoed the games being played in SC after hearing he would have to pay for rink time and the officials. That bothered me as were the Pirates supposed to pay for your games which you were responsible for? or again, a team with no league fee wants their rink time comped? that left me with an unforgettable and marked reminder.

You should have told PIHA no. Instead, your actions caused a great deal of issues with our organization and our schedule.

In hindsight, all that had to be done was to take the time to work and resolve these issues instead of blowing us off during a tough time in our season. I will NOT forget that nor will some of our players who saw the difficulty I had trying to work at the mercy of your organization to get these games in.

Doug Jones

[VaInline]

Dave:

Sorry, I don't agree. My dealings with your organization were frustrating and there was no accountability. We were left hanging at the mercy of a team which had not paid it's league fee and also decided to vote on what games they would attend.

For the record, your organization confirmed and cancelled Sunday games on a Friday afternoon after several attempts to contact your team all week.

Regardless of the name change, I look at how our organization was treated, the lack of courtesy and professionalism which was NOT extended our way with these problems.

So, Williamsburg, Virginia, whatever it may be, I stand behind my statement of the lack of competitiveness, the lack of courtesy and professionalism and now of course, the defense of those actions and the lack of complete accountability.

You know how I'll vote for the record. All that had to be done was to take the time to work and resolve these issues instead of blowing us off during a tough time in our season. I will NOT forget that.

Doug Jones

Doug,

I am sorry that you feel that way. The purpose of my post was not to defend anything that the team did or didn't do, but rather to address your concerns in the same forum that you chose to use to post your comments.

Regarding the lack of comptetiveness of last season's team, I am in full agreement with you - the team was not ready, that's already been admitted. But we did manage one win against a very competitive team.

Regarding your perceived lack of courtesy and professionalism, I wish things had turned out differently and there would have been a middle ground reached to play the orginally games.

Dave

[Doug Jones]

Doug,

I am sorry that you feel that way. The purpose of my post was not to defend anything that the team did or didn't do, but rather to address your concerns in the same forum that you chose to use to post your comments.

Regarding the lack of comptetiveness of last season's team, I am in full agreement with you - the team was not ready, that's already been admitted. But we did manage one win against a very competitive team.

Regarding your perceived lack of courtesy and professionalism, I wish things had turned out differently and there would have been a middle ground reached to play the orginally games.

Dave

I wish this was the courtesy and promptness I received when these problems were being had.

Doug

[VaInline]

I wish this was the courtesy and promptness I received when these problems were being had.

Doug

Me too. And I hope you will take this as a sign of our team's intentions going forward.

Dave

[joisyan]

Phelan96

Does anyone else agree that minor penalties should be shortened if the time of the game is 2 12 minute halves? If a team gets 3 minor penalties thats half the period the other team is on the power play....it's a bit much

i think this was a little overshadowed. i agree 100% on this. that was rediculous last season. that a 12 minute period can be lopsided by 2 or 3 penalties. MLRH had 1:30 minute penalties and it was a full 4 period game!

[wildpuck]

Does anyone else agree that minor penalties should be shortened if the time of the game is 2 12 minute halves? If a team gets 3 minor penalties thats half the period the other team is on the power play....it's a bit much

I agree as well. Fortunately, we'll have an opportunity to voice our opinions and then be able to decide on this among every other detail of the league. As soon as we get together as owners, we'll finally start to get answers for everyone on game format, penalties and everything else everyone is dying to know.

Speaking for the Revolution, we're excited to get things going.

[icehog]

Phelan,
that was one of the things I proposed at the Northeast captains meeting last season, one of many things that went unnoticed in PIHA, was a minor penalty to reflect the period length.

a 2 minute penalty in a 10 or 12 minute period is out of proportion. NHL 20 minute periods 2 minute penalty.

a 10 minute period, 1 minute penalty, 12 minute period, 1:20 penalty. Make it 10% of the period like the NHL ratio.

Watching a full 2 minute powerplay in roller hockey is like watching an episode of Night Court in it's 5th season. Boooring.

[rhhof]

So as an official, you would like to give guys that takes PIMs an excuse...its only a minute, or a minute 20 - for guys that play like that, I say do not give THEM an advantage

I think it should stay, its a deterant, as other tourneys and all have about the same length of game and it stays the same...maybe we need to add something like an offsides rule on the PP or put icing in effect during the PP or something that can make it exciting - On the marketing side, sell PP time and announce it as ITS TIME FOR THE "HOLBROOK DELI" Power PLAY and everytime the team gets a PP goal, everyone gets a ticket for a free sandwich or something....anything to spice it up

I agree that most times watching a team on the PP is a bit boring....so maybe more practice is in order - there were a lot of short handed goals last season too....Im looking from both sides....any other ideas?!

[swampdonkey89]

So as an official, you would like to give guys that takes PIMs an excuse...its only a minute, or a minute 20 - for guys that play like that, I say do not give THEM an advantage

I disagree with this statement. This is appropriate when goons are checking and punching and cheapshotting. What I have noticed in the couple years of playing is that the majority of the penalties are harmless and for the most part, on the eyes of the officials. Now, we have had countless discussions of the level and effectiveness of the officiating in PIHA and other leagues, and I feel the reasoning behind shortening the penalties is to take into account some of the questionable calls.

As it stood last season, if you got 3 penalties in a period, which 2 little hooks and a slash will give you, then you were down for 6 minutes out of 10, or in rollerhockey against anyone decent, 3-0 on the scoreboard. It was ridiculous.

The obvious comeback to this would be to not take penalties, but lets be honest here, if everyone could just stop taking penalties, we wouldn't even need refs. Thats just not going to happen, so for a team paying to play and fans coming and paying to watch, something needs to be done about the length as compared to the time in a period.

adam

[Mlrhnorthfan]

Penalties are supposed to hurt the team making the infraction. I think they should stay 2 minutes.

putting the abilities of the officials aside, having long penalties rewards disciplined teams with power play time to score more goals...which is what roller hockey is all about.

PIHA was(is) a league in which rough play was frowned upon so longer penalties were made for infractions.

the MLRH for example is full contact so the need to police for non-incedental contact is less, hence the 1:30 penalties.

stickwork is how less talented teams/players even the playing field and shouldnt be allowed in higher levels of play. thats why the NHL instututed the whole rules change after the lock out.... to let the talented players be able to shine without dragging three players from the other team by the sticks they have hooked around them.

Elite Inline should be the same way. Let the pinieros shine.

[Phelan96]

Penalties are supposed to hurt the team making the infraction.

True but the penalty time to period time ratio is so ridiculous.

If a team commits an accidental high stick with blood thats 4 minutes then later a guy steps on a stick of an opposing player and trips him and there you go that team gets half the period on the power play.

Elite Inline should be the same way. Let the pinieros shine.

The Pinhero's will shine on the Power Play, Penalty kill and even strength.

[old_donkey_14]

Matt, I'm inclined to agree with Jack on this one and just for the record Nicky and Tyler had NO PROBLEM shining Vs. us in the playoffs last season :D

[JoesInBoston]

I personally think that 2 minutes is too long. Thats 10% of a minor league game, or 8.33% of a pro level game. Shortening the length of the penalty by even 30 seconds will make a difference (7.5% minors, 6.5% pro). Since the NHL has been brought into the conversation numerous times, you'll be happy to know that a penalty in the NHL takes up 3.33% of an entire game.

Penalties are supposed to hurt the team making the infraction.

Being shorthanded for 1 minute and 30 seconds still hurts the team.

Watching a full 2 minute powerplay in roller hockey is like watching an episode of Night Court in it's 5th season. Boooring.

I couldn't agree more. And I am sure that fans couldn't agree more either.

[Alvare71]

Forget the power play guys......Lets just see a penalty Shot. That really makes the other team pay for there penalty, Why does roller hockey need to have a power play.

Who doesnt like to see a penalty shot?

Plus the guy whos in the box will not make the same mistake or will he?


Maybe on a 4 minute only, just throwing ideas out there.

[ARHA]

Who doesnt like to see a penalty shot?

Penalty shots are cool. The one thing that makes them interesting is they are rare though. If we saw 12 penalty shots a game, things would get boring. Plus we would see jacked up scores, which makes the game boring to play and watch.

[Alvare71]

Then maybe on a major penalty and with two minutes left in a game only.

[ARHA]

Then maybe on a major penalty and with two minutes left in a game only.

I could see a major penalty going to penalty shot. 5 min powerplays are a bit crazy for a 10 or 12 min period. I've seen minor and pro teams get three or four goals off of a major penalty (since they run for the whole five min). That is a bit ridiculous.

[Alvare71]

I would have to agree, I think a penalty shot is alot more exciting than 5 goals on a power play.

I think one goal can turn a game either way, but five well its over most of the time.

[hockkid13]

I could see a major penalty going to penalty shot. 5 min powerplays are a bit crazy for a 10 or 12 min period. I've seen minor and pro teams get three or four goals off of a major penalty (since they run for the whole five min). That is a bit ridiculous.

So what you're telling me is if I decide I don't like a player, I can go punch him in the face, doing as much damage as possible, and all he is going to get out of it is a penalty shot??? And my team will AT MOST have only given up 1 goal. That sounds a little ridiculous. Think of all the harm that could possibly come from that.

[ARHA]

So what you're telling me is if I decide I don't like a player, I can go punch him in the face, doing as much damage as possible, and all he is going to get out of it is a penalty shot??? And my team will AT MOST have only given up 1 goal. That sounds a little ridiculous. Think of all the harm that could possibly come from that.

And you'll get thrown out and probably a three game suspension.

[hockkid13]

I think you're missing my point here, that was merely an example. With only giving a penalty shot for a "MAJOR" penalty, you are asking for disaster. You are basically giving the chance for any one player to take a run at another with minimal consequence. Yes, I may get suspended for 3 games, but I could severly have injured another player, and for minimal in game punishment. They are "MAJOR" penalties for a reason.

[Alvare71]

I dont think your asking for a disaster, Would you take a stupid penalty with less than two minutes to go......

I know it would control all of the penalties under two minutes....

Let alone hit someone in the face and get kicked out and suspended?

It was just another Idea thats all, It was to keep the game close.

[growl89]

today was the deadline, what is the final list of teams? did St louis come over?

[BlackDiamond19]

wow a penalty shot on a 5min would be intresting. All you guys have good points. 5min pp is a little long. Just having someone take a shot would be different. But yes keep the 2min pp. Just my thoughts :0)

[Tekkaman]

I wouldn't mind seeing penalty shots given for teams over a limit, like how they do it the NBA with fouls. Lets say 3 penalty per period, that'll make teams think.

[joisyan]

i like that tekkaman, that way you're not playing the whole period shorthanded. (granted a team is getting that many penalties) and it's not too many penalty shots to kill the fun for the fans. could be on to something there...

[DCbullets14]

I think we are going to complicate the game far to much. Roller hockey is great because it is so simple we should keep it that way. If people want to see penalty shots do what the nhl did and make a single overtime and then penalty shots. Lets not change the basic foundations of the game especially in the league's initial season.

[DCbullets14]

I reread all of the posts and I have another idea. For a major penalty give the guy a 10min misconduct (which essentially removes him from the game) then give the other team a penalty shot and a full 2 minute powerplay.

This would remove the problem player/s from the rink and create multiple scoring opportunities for the other team.

[Wingman]

10 minute misconduct, 2 minute powerplay, and a penalty shot? That's a bit much...

sorry but I think the penalties are fine the way they are.

[Junior FireAnts]

As an observer, I agree that 1:30 penalties would be sufficient based on the time per period for a game. Adding additional criteria for multiple infractions by a single player would create a coaching and player management situation for a teams coach and could influence whether or not that player would continue to receive playing time. That would be similar to NBA in terms of foul management. The nice thing about a roller hockey game which I see similarities to the college (ice) game is flow and penalties disrupt that flow, creating accountabilty at the player level will help to manage penalty situations in many cases. I think that there are going to be those problem situations that there is not an easy answer for but in most cases adding a misconduct to a player who is visiting the box frequently and/or a game ejection will create coaching situations and help to control the flow of the game.

Jay R. Creel
Junior FireAnts

[Junior FireAnts]

[QUOTE=Alvare71;51376]Forget the power play guys......Lets just see a penalty Shot. That really makes the other team pay for there penalty, Why does roller hockey need to have a power play.

Who doesnt like to see a penalty shot?QUOTE]

Alvere, I agree penalty shots are exciting but they do disrupt the flow of a game and as I just posted, that is what makes roller hockey exciting.

Just my .02 cents

Jay R. Creel
Junior FireAnts

[-venom-]

Penalty shots for penalties?

Retarded.

The last thing Roller Hockey needs to do is get "gimmicky".

It's supposed to be "ice hockey" on inline skates. Not some basatrdized version of the sport.

Shorten the minors to 1:30, that's probably the best thing I've seen mentioned. But as far as majors go, 10 minute misconduct? Remove the "problem players"?

Sounds like some of you guys might want to wear a tu-tu before you suit up again.

Anything more than 5 minutes for a regular major is ridiculous....

[DCbullets14]

I think I explained my idea incorrectly.

As far as the misconduct thing Im not really sure what I was thinking now that I look back on it I realise it made no sense.

What I really meant was why not try a combination of a penalty shot and a powerplay for a major penalty? This would make the man advantage be for a shorter amount of time and would also give a team mulitple opportunities to score. As long as the league doesnt create any 2 point shot like there was in pro beach hockey.

It's supposed to be "ice hockey" on inline skates. Not some basatrdized version of the sport.

I would have to completly disagree with this roller is not at all like and should in my opinion be looked at as a completly different sport. It may have the same basic skill set but nearly everything else is completly different

[VaInline]

The way I see it is if a team is behind by a wide margin, and a goon player knows his only penalty will be a penalty shot, why wouldn't he go out and start hacking and chopping and roughing? What's the impact of a penalty shot when you're already down 8-0 with 3 minutes to play?

Keep the time penalties in place, but I can see the sense in shortening penalties to match the shorter periods (1.5 minutes in a 15 minute period, etc.).

[growl89]

2 minute pp's are fine, its hockey, the games should be longer though, either 3 12's or 2 18's, 2 12's is a waste. I travel 2 hours for home games. I spend more time on the road then on the rink. It's a waste. Hopefully a new format will be adopted. The double header is dumb. Let's be honest, the average team gets pretty much no fans anyways so it can't be for them. One longer game should be the answer. As for penalties, keep em at 2 mins like I said. But make the officials accountable. For example, Roche and Harris were excellent in the piha east finals, while hausman makes up rules as he goes, no accountability. Serving a 2 from Roche was not bad because at least you knew why you were in the box in the first place.

This thread has changed from the title, so what is the official list?

[teamcarramrod]

yeah really. stick to the topic. what is the final list?

[Alvare71]

I dont think adding a penalty shot will compliment the game.



Do you guys remember a two point line and ramps, And wasnt it televised on espn?



And no it is not Ice hockey on inlines.


Eliminate the penalty time debate and go to penalty shot.

Now thats exciting!!!!!


Roller hockey is fun and kids like to see something that they could possibly in a real game.......

Make stars out of players!!!!! That is what this sport needs are heros.......



This is still a grass root sport.



Look at it from a Fan point of view


I mean Pro roller hockey is not even 10 years old, not counting PIHA or MLRH AAA..


10 years, that is nothing compared to other sports.