2008 All American Selections Presented by YouSuckRef.com

[HockeyRefGuy]

YouSuckRef.com is proud to present our 2008 All American selections. Please visit the News page on our site for all the selections. Congratulations to all those selected.

[train]

not that these mean anything, but how does the great plains only get 5 players selected?

[catch]

Mr You Suck your all-star selections are so bad I can only assume you were at Paddy's Pub playing russian roulette with Danny Devito when you chose.

[feedmetherock]

yea those are some pretty interesting selections and by interesting i mean bad

[train]

i think it's pretty obvious he based the selections on stats only.

[csdahlberg]

yea those are some pretty interesting selections and by interesting i mean bad

I know, I'm not even on the list! :D

[alex]

I thought I'd give this a shot. 20 minutes of NCRHA.org research combined with previous knowledge of players, and here's a different take on an All-American team.

Keep in mind, I have not seen a single NCRHA game this season. I live in f'n Arizona. I'm not biased towards anyone. OBVIOUSLY, this must be based at least in part on stats. Although it was based on stats, I avoided just picking the top 2 scoring forwards, top 2 scoring defensemen, and goalie with best save percentage. I tried taking into account teams actually winning, etc. Defense was particularly hard to pick since there's no stat tracking of plus/minus, odd man rushes stopped, blocked shots, or anything relevant to good defensive play but I did my best. And, this includes performances at regionals.

So, here it is. DI only because I only have so much time to kill. Reasons/justifications included for each player.

Feel free to pick it apart. But offer up something constructive not just "this sucks!"


1st Team All-Americans

Forward: Charlie Middleton (UC Irvine)
-astronomical numbers: 75 goals and 107 points (both 1st in the nation and the most in NCRHA regular season history)
-led UC Irvine to a 1 loss season and their first regional championship)

Forward: Kyle Gouge (Lindenwood)
-led Lindenwood in assists and was 2nd in scoring
-although 2nd in scoring for the team, he had most points (12) in 4 games against rivals UMSL

Defense: Adam Clarke (UMSL)
-2nd on team in scoring
-top defenseman on team that ended "the streak"

Defense: Jim Tamburino (Stony Brook)
-top 10 in the nation in assists, led his team in scoring
-led Stony Brook to 17-2-1 regular season record & birth to nationals

Goalie: Dustin Brown (Lindenwood)
-Won all 13 games he played, including 3 wins over UMSL
-.897 save percentage (2nd in the nation for goalies with 10 GP)
-0.98 GAA and 5 SO (both 1st in the nation)



Honorable Mentions:
Robbie Fulton (Rutgers) - led the nation in assists, led Rutgers to first nationals birth
PJ Tallo (UMSL) - 2nd in the nation in assists, helped lead UMSL to regional title
Brandon Barnette (Lindenwood) - led the best team in the nation in scoring
Ryan Burrows (Long Beach State) - gaudy numbers but could never beat UCI and came up short
Richie Latona (Buffalo) - 15-1 record, top 5 in save percentage, led Buffalo to regional title
Eric Lubanski (Michigan State) - led Midwest in scoring and helped MSU to regional title
Mike Tasch (UC Irvine) - 3rd in the nation in scoring, only UCI loss came without him playing
Connor Cafferty (Central Florida) - led team in scoring and helped them to regional title

[DGlass]

Hey Brian...

Even though you put Luttrell on the team, does your PSU bias have to be so evident by calling it "Pittsburgh University"?

That's like calling it Penn State College, as far as I'm concerned.

[RustyPipes27]

Why do you Pitt guys care so much about PSU anyways? You're not even a blip on our radar.

[HockeyRefGuy]

Yes I did mainly use stats. I grew up playing and officiating in the ECRHA. I don't pretend to personally know, or have seen play everyone in this league. I wish that was the case. All I can go on is the stats the league reports on their site. I personally have been an official on the floor twice with Lindenwood. I have also played against them back before the streak started. I know how good they are. If someone doesn't then they just came out of a cave. I agreed with Alex on the point that all of the players he has mentioned are top class of college roller hockey players across this entire country and deserve to be in this discussion. As for Alex's picks:

Forward: Charlie Middleton (UC Irvine)
We both agree about Mr. Middleton. He has had the best individual season this league has ever seen.

Forward: Kyle Gouge (Lindenwood)
With an unbelievable season for the #1 ranked team. Statically Kyle is not even the best player on his team. With 50 points (22 goals and 28 asst) Kyle is 6 points behind teammate Brandon Barnette (31 goals and 25 asst). Kyle is also 13th in the country in points, 17th in goals and 10th in assists. I agree Kyle in a premier player in this great league but I don't not believe the stats prove he is on of the top four forwards in the country.

Defense: Adam Clarke (UMSL)
Adam is an incredible defenseman from everyone I have talked to into the Great Plains region. Adam again had a great season. With 39 points (17 goals and 22 assists) I will say that it is tough to see defense on a stats sheet. There are many great defenseman in this country. I just believe there were other who had just as good defensive year and better offensive years.

Defense: Jim Tamburino (Stony Brook)
Jim is always a pleasure to watch play and be on the same floor with. I know about Jim's leadership and talent. I do believe he is in the same category as Adam Clarke, fantastic defensive year with a very decent offensive year, 52 points (21 goals and 31 assists).

Goalie: Dustin Brown (Lindenwood)
I believe Dustin is the toughest argument of the 5. Dustin is obviously one of the best goalies in the country. Unfortunately I did not chose him for two reasons. first he plays on the best team in the country. What? In my mind , as twisted as it may be, this is actually a slight against Dustin. Also he only played in 13 of his team's 18 games.

I created these All American teams because I believe these kids, who play this game at the highest level, need to be recognized andneed to be talked about. I know everyone isn't going to agree with my list and thats fine. They didn't agree with my rankings at the beginning of the season either. I would like to hear from everyone as to what they think their first team All Americans should be in Division I, II, III and B. Let the discussions begin.

[train]

the only problem i have is that you based the picks purely on stats. the great plains is therefore at a disadvantage since they have a mercy rule.

[socalhockey]

the only problem i have is that you based the picks purely on stats. the great plains is therefore at a disadvantage since they have a mercy rule.

The WCRHL also has a mercy rule. Once there is a 10 goal differential and the game is into the second period it ends.

UC Irvine had 6 wins by mercy in the regular season and Long Beach had 5. Most of those games ended in the second period.

[TourFLA98]

you suck at life .. are these selections serious?

[alex]

Yes I did mainly use stats. I grew up playing and officiating in the ECRHA. I don't pretend to personally know, or have seen play everyone in this league. I wish that was the case. All I can go on is the stats the league reports on their site. I personally have been an official on the floor twice with Lindenwood. I have also played against them back before the streak started. I know how good they are. If someone doesn't then they just came out of a cave. I agreed with Alex on the point that all of the players he has mentioned are top class of college roller hockey players across this entire country and deserve to be in this discussion. As for Alex's picks:

Forward: Charlie Middleton (UC Irvine)
We both agree about Mr. Middleton. He has had the best individual season this league has ever seen.

Forward: Kyle Gouge (Lindenwood)
With an unbelievable season for the #1 ranked team. Statically Kyle is not even the best player on his team. With 50 points (22 goals and 28 asst) Kyle is 6 points behind teammate Brandon Barnette (31 goals and 25 asst). Kyle is also 13th in the country in points, 17th in goals and 10th in assists. I agree Kyle in a premier player in this great league but I don't not believe the stats prove he is on of the top four forwards in the country.

Defense: Adam Clarke (UMSL)
Adam is an incredible defenseman from everyone I have talked to into the Great Plains region. Adam again had a great season. With 39 points (17 goals and 22 assists) I will say that it is tough to see defense on a stats sheet. There are many great defenseman in this country. I just believe there were other who had just as good defensive year and better offensive years.

Defense: Jim Tamburino (Stony Brook)
Jim is always a pleasure to watch play and be on the same floor with. I know about Jim's leadership and talent. I do believe he is in the same category as Adam Clarke, fantastic defensive year with a very decent offensive year, 52 points (21 goals and 31 assists).

Goalie: Dustin Brown (Lindenwood)
I believe Dustin is the toughest argument of the 5. Dustin is obviously one of the best goalies in the country. Unfortunately I did not chose him for two reasons. first he plays on the best team in the country. What? In my mind , as twisted as it may be, this is actually a slight against Dustin. Also he only played in 13 of his team's 18 games.

I created these All American teams because I believe these kids, who play this game at the highest level, need to be recognized andneed to be talked about. I know everyone isn't going to agree with my list and thats fine. They didn't agree with my rankings at the beginning of the season either. I would like to hear from everyone as to what they think their first team All Americans should be in Division I, II, III and B. Let the discussions begin.


Yeah man I think it's awesome what you do. Even if people disagree, you're getting conversation started. I didn't post my own to try to one-up you or anything. Just figured I'd get it on the fun instead of doing boring work, haha.

[DGlass]

Eh...we mostly just hate that stupid jackass Paterno because he is afraid to play Pitt. Yes, afraid in that he bought out the final three years of the Pitt-PSU contract after Pitt beat them to knock them out of a bowl.

If Pitt and PSU still played, I guarantee it would be the most talked about rivalry in the country. There is no good reason for PSU to not agree to a contract with Pitt.

That is all. Otherwise, I love PSU. The girls are ridiculously easy.

[know the game]

Eastern has a player # 61 that goes to school and plays hockey for them He was a member of the US NATIONAL team and leading scorer on the team when they played in Europe He is the best player in the nation by far if all the other outstanding players in our league why don't they play on the US NATIONAL TEAM.:)

[GoRangrHky]

Maybe because Deskins only played 5 games all season?? I know he's good (I played against him), but when you only play a few games all year, it's tough to have much to base an All-American pick on.

[Mtour71]

Heres a little Information:
First off: Jason Deskins has always been a great player. He getting pretty slow now a days and doesn't play too much Defense. I watched him play at Torhs last summer. Still can score goals.

Second: Lindenwood has Tom Bruce on their squad. He has played on the US National Team the last two years. He has also won a World Championship.

Third: Travis Fudge has also played on the US National Team in the past. He has a World Championship/World Games Championship under his belt.

Fourth: Lindenwood also had Greg Thompson on their team. He has played on the US National Team for the past 3 to 4 years. He has a couple World Championships and is also a World Games Champion.

Fifth: Ryan Viomontes was a goalie for Lindenwood University (who has graduated). He won a World Championship in 2005 with Team USA (France) along with a World Games Championship (Germany).

That is pretty impressive to say the least. He is not the only Collegiate athlete to play on the US National team.

[alex]

Eastern has a player # 61 that goes to school and plays hockey for them He was a member of the US NATIONAL team and leading scorer on the team when they played in Europe He is the best player in the nation by far if all the other outstanding players in our league why don't they play on the US NATIONAL TEAM.:)

It's not that simple. There's all sorts of reasons someone might not play on the National Team and it doesn't mean they're not good enough. Tommy Bruce, Travis Fudge, Charlie Middleton could all, in my opinion, be called the best player in the nation.

[Mtour71]

Tom Bruce plays on the same US National team that Deskins played for (USA HOCKEY/IHHF). To tell you the truth I think Deskins may have played on both. Might have played one year with the FIRS team. Fudge played with the FIRS team in 05 and won the World Championships in France. That same summer he won the FIRST EVER World Games in Germany. Charlie Middleton has never played on any of the World teams. He is a great player and can score goals but I wouldn't necessarily say that he is a two way player though either.

[alex]

Tom Bruce plays on the same US National team that Deskins played for (USA HOCKEY/IHHF). To tell you the truth I think Deskins may have played on both. Might have played one year with the FIRS team. Fudge played with the FIRS team in 05 and won the World Championships in France. That same summer he won the FIRST EVER World Games in Germany. Charlie Middleton has never played on any of the World teams. He is a great player and can score goals but I wouldn't necessarily say that he is a two way player though either.

It's not like he tried out for the national team and didn't make it. So, that doesn't really matter.
Jr. Platinum High Scorer at NARCh Finals last year. Top goal scorer for Mission Militia, a JUNIOR team that has finished 2nd in NARCH Pro the past 2 times they played and have won 4 NARCh titles, most by a single team in NARCh history.
All I'm saying is, regardless of not having played for the national team, he should be included in the conversation.

[Mtour71]

Alex I am not arguing with you buddy. Charlie Middletown is an awesome player. I just don't think he is complete enough to play on the US National team. The Mission Militia has nothing to do with what we are talking about. The FIRS team has the rights to the Olympic if it ever does go. THe closest event to the Olympics right now is the World Games. The World games is an event that has sports such as Roller Hockey, Power Lifting, Wake Boarding, etc...They are all the sports that are trying to go to the Olympics. The World Games is every 4 years. Next yr it is in China.

[alex]

Alex I am not arguing with you buddy. Charlie Middletown is an awesome player. I just don't think he is complete enough to play on the US National team. The Mission Militia has nothing to do with what we are talking about. The FIRS team has the rights to the Olympic if it ever does go. THe closest event to the Olympics right now is the World Games. The World games is an event that has sports such as Roller Hockey, Power Lifting, Wake Boarding, etc...They are all the sports that are trying to go to the Olympics. The World Games is every 4 years. Next yr it is in China.

I know. All I'm saying is that accomplishments at a high level (like NARCh Platinum) are relevant to a discussion of who is the best player in the NCRHA.

[Mtour71]

Your right..NARCh Platinum is the highest level of Roller Hockey. Deskins has played on the Mission factory team too! Also an old Team Rival guy. Meltdown as well. Tom Bruce has many NARCh Championships as well. I would say around 6 or so.

[JLambertUMSL]

Kyle Gouge is the best player on Lindenwood.

PJ Tallo is the best player on UMSL.

They should both be first team All-America.

Jeff Hill (Lindenwood) and Adam Clarke (UMSL) are the best combination of skill, class, and leadership, and should also get some kind of mention.

(NARCh, Team USA, etc., are completely irrelevant to picking a collegiate All-America team.)

[boring]

WOW, i dont think ive seen this much NUTSWINGING in a long time...kids, grow up

[osu_buckeyes]

I completely agree with Lambert. You choose "All Americans" based on their performance in the NCRHA, not their reputation, perceived skill level, or performance in other teams. The International level game is different from NARCH which is different for the college game. Sure it's all hockey but each level requires different things. The fact that someone may be on a National/"Pro" team does not necessary have a bearing at how well you perform at the college level. (See Jason White of Oklahoma, won the Heisman, then wasn't even drafted into the NFL)

[socalhockey]

I completely agree with Lambert. You choose "All Americans" based on their performance in the NCRHA, not their reputation, perceived skill level, or performance in other teams. The International level game is different from NARCH which is different for the college game. Sure it's all hockey but each level requires different things. The fact that someone may be on a National/"Pro" team does not necessary have a bearing at how well you perform at the college level. (See Jason White of Oklahoma, won the Heisman, then wasn't even drafted into the NFL)


I agree with you 100%. One other point, when any sport picks All Americans the selections are usually based for the most part on individual stats. 107 and 88 points respectively at the D1 level are very hard to overlook.

[William Bourque]

Offensive stats are usually a huge indicator when selecting these type of teams.

[BerdooHockey]

I always thought about that, only offensive stats determine all-stars/all americans/ etc...

No one cares about the solid defensemen who stops every odd man break, takes the occassional "setting the tone penalty" as Russ Huff used to put it, quarterbacks the rink, and maybe a butt load of assists.

[yokum]

I thought I'd give this a shot. 20 minutes of NCRHA.org research combined with previous knowledge of players, and here's a different take on an All-American team.

Keep in mind, I have not seen a single NCRHA game this season. I live in f'n Arizona. I'm not biased towards anyone. OBVIOUSLY, this must be based at least in part on stats. Although it was based on stats, I avoided just picking the top 2 scoring forwards, top 2 scoring defensemen, and goalie with best save percentage. I tried taking into account teams actually winning, etc. Defense was particularly hard to pick since there's no stat tracking of plus/minus, odd man rushes stopped, blocked shots, or anything relevant to good defensive play but I did my best. And, this includes performances at regionals.

So, here it is. DI only because I only have so much time to kill. Reasons/justifications included for each player.

Feel free to pick it apart. But offer up something constructive not just "this sucks!"


1st Team All-Americans

Forward: Charlie Middleton (UC Irvine)
-astronomical numbers: 75 goals and 107 points (both 1st in the nation and the most in NCRHA regular season history)
-led UC Irvine to a 1 loss season and their first regional championship)

Forward: Kyle Gouge (Lindenwood)
-led Lindenwood in assists and was 2nd in scoring
-although 2nd in scoring for the team, he had most points (12) in 4 games against rivals UMSL

Defense: Adam Clarke (UMSL)
-2nd on team in scoring
-top defenseman on team that ended "the streak"

Defense: Jim Tamburino (Stony Brook)
-top 10 in the nation in assists, led his team in scoring
-led Stony Brook to 17-2-1 regular season record & birth to nationals

Goalie: Dustin Brown (Lindenwood)
-Won all 13 games he played, including 3 wins over UMSL
-.897 save percentage (2nd in the nation for goalies with 10 GP)
-0.98 GAA and 5 SO (both 1st in the nation)



Honorable Mentions:
Robbie Fulton (Rutgers) - led the nation in assists, led Rutgers to first nationals birth
PJ Tallo (UMSL) - 2nd in the nation in assists, helped lead UMSL to regional title
Brandon Barnette (Lindenwood) - led the best team in the nation in scoring
Ryan Burrows (Long Beach State) - gaudy numbers but could never beat UCI and came up short
Richie Latona (Buffalo) - 15-1 record, top 5 in save percentage, led Buffalo to regional title
Eric Lubanski (Michigan State) - led Midwest in scoring and helped MSU to regional title
Mike Tasch (UC Irvine) - 3rd in the nation in scoring, only UCI loss came without him playing
Connor Cafferty (Central Florida) - led team in scoring and helped them to regional title

In your Honorable Mentions, you included Eric Lubanski (MSU), but he did NOT lead the Midwest in scoring, Jason Yokubison (OCC-DIII) led in total points and goals while playing against all the DI teams and playing the exact same schedule as MSU. Also Tony Ascenzo (MSU), a much better player than Lubanski, had the exact same stats as Lubanski did, why not pick him?

[steve9]

When you come on here (in multiple threads) and talk up your own son like he is gods gift to roller hockey, you lose all credibility.


Then again, we all know how much you "know" about the game.

[yokum]

When you come on here (in multiple threads) and talk up your own son like he is gods gift to roller hockey, you lose all credibility.


Then again, we all know how much you "know" about the game.

I seldom read these boards, just trying to make sure little DIII OCC is correctly represented out here. When you have two boys as good as Yokubison and James playing for little DIII OCC, I hope they get the recognition they deserve. Why would someone say Lubanski (MSU) led the MWCRL in scoring?? If you look only at DI, that's technically correct, but why mis-lead others who read this board, when that is not exactly correct. Both scools played the same schedule, no contest!! OCC has the MCRHL leading scorer. Also, when picking allstars for the MCRHL, why would you only include DI players, when the DIII teams played the same schedule??

[William Bourque]

I seldom read these boards, just trying to make sure little DIII OCC is correctly represented out here. When you have two boys as good as Yokubison and James playing for little DIII OCC, I hope they get the recognition they deserve. Why would someone say Lubanski (MSU) led the MWCRL in scoring?? If you look only at DI, that's technically correct, but why mis-lead others who read this board, when that is not exactly correct. Both scools played the same schedule, no contest!! OCC has the MCRHL leading scorer. Also, when picking allstars for the MCRHL, why would you only include DI players, when the DIII teams played the same schedule??

Nassau and Suffolk both play a full Division I schedule in the ECRHA, however, if i was making a statement regrading who won the scoring title for the league, it would be whoever was on a Division I squad who scored the most points. There have been many years when the DIII leader had more points than the Division I leader but i would still list them as two separate entities when talking about scoring champions.

[yokum]

Nassau and Suffolk both play a full Division I schedule in the ECRHA, however, if i was making a statement regrading who won the scoring title for the league, it would be whoever was on a Division I squad who scored the most points. There have been many years when the DIII leader had more points than the Division I leader but i would still list them as two separate entities when talking about scoring champions.

WHY?? You made a statement, without explaining why? I could understand if the DIII teams played a weaker schedule, but if they play the same schedule, in the same league, against the same players, why would you make this differentiation?

[ISFN]

Why are you sooooo worried?

What does it matter in the end anyways if his name is mentioned or not.

I don't know your son or any of the guys from your league but I could careless who gets named to the all star teams or not. I'm not going to "watch out" for anyone I think these list are for fun and thats it.

As many teams have shown it doesn't take All-Stars to win anything it takes a team comprised of the right players.

So what its a title given by a website, are you really that concerned?

Read, laugh, post, do whatever but in the end play the game(watch) and have fun. After all it is just a game bud.

[alex]

In your Honorable Mentions, you included Eric Lubanski (MSU), but he did NOT lead the Midwest in scoring, Jason Yokubison (OCC-DIII) led in total points and goals while playing against all the DI teams and playing the exact same schedule as MSU. Also Tony Ascenzo (MSU), a much better player than Lubanski, had the exact same stats as Lubanski did, why not pick him?

I said Lubanski led the Midwest in scoring because I was looking at DI teams, not DIII. That's not misleading that's just doing exactly what I said I was doing: naming D-ONE All-Americans.

And I picked Lubanski over Ascenzo because Lubanski scored the same amount of points in 2 less games. I live in Arizona, not Michigan, so I haven't seen them play and don't know who is generally "a much better player."

[William Bourque]

WHY?? You made a statement, without explaining why? I could understand if the DIII teams played a weaker schedule, but if they play the same schedule, in the same league, against the same players, why would you make this differentiation?

Because they are in different Divisions, with different enrollment standards. They may play the Division I teams, but that doesn't change the fact they are Division III.

I am not taking away anything from anyone, but if you play in Division III, you play in Division III. If your talking about the scoring title champion(s) for the MCRHL, ECRHA or whatever region...you would be talking about DI, DII, DIII and B.

[William Bourque]

WHY?? You made a statement, without explaining why? I could understand if the DIII teams played a weaker schedule, but if they play the same schedule, in the same league, against the same players, why would you make this differentiation?

Also, when reading this i forgot that the MCRHL is the only region that uses the Divisional structure where DI-DII and DIII teams all play in the same "league" within the region. So i understand your point, but i still stick by my original statement.

[boring]

what the f***? i had 3 goals and 6 assists and let my team with 20 PIM how come im not on the allstar team...this is total bullsh1t...i deserve to have my name on this website. whoever made these teams are obviously favoring there own division : (

[yokum]

Also, when reading this i forgot that the MCRHL is the only region that uses the Divisional structure where DI-DII and DIII teams all play in the same "league" within the region. So i understand your point, but i still stick by my original statement.

Someone said the GPCRHL region does the same thing, all divisions play in the same league??? So tell me what would happen if Team "A" played DIII and Team "B" played DI and Team "A" won the regular season and regional championship. With your take on this, you would still call Team "B" the DI champion of the region!! Does that make any sense at all??? Team "B" should never be called champion of that region, only Team "A" holds that title.

[boring]

in GP dIII has no affect on dI in regionals except for what place they finished at the end of the regular season for seeding, d1 only plays d1 and dIII only plays dIII. and i dont know where anyone is getting the info that dII plays against dI of dIII cause that doesnt happen

[dan sangiorgio]

i think the point of it is that d1 schools and d3 schools are held to different standards. it is easier to field a strong team by just simple having a couple local studs sign up for a class or two at the local community college. where 4 years schools have to make due with what attends there universty.
I don't think there is any difference talent wise as often d3 teams are among the best games at nationals but they do have a clear unfair advantage which is why they are not allowed to compete with d1 teams on the national level.

[swisspongesd]

With that logic I think Lindenwood should play D3

[William Bourque]

With that logic I think Lindenwood should play D3

Lindenwood should actually play DII...:p

But no, Lindenwood still has standards that the teams in DIII can't meet.

They clearly have an advantage over the teams in DI, but its not the same kind of advantage that a DIII team has over any DI school.

[William Bourque]

Someone said the GPCRHL region does the same thing, all divisions play in the same league???

They do not. They occasionally have some cross-divisional games, but come regionals its DI, DII, DIII and B.

So tell me what would happen if Team "A" played DIII and Team "B" played DI and Team "A" won the regular season and regional championship. With your take on this, you would still call Team "B" the DI champion of the region!! Does that make any sense at all??? Team "B" should never be called champion of that region, only Team "A" holds that title.

This happened in the WCRHL when Riverside won back-to-back regional tournaments in 2005 and 2006. Riverside won the tournament and was named the DIII Regional Champion, while the losers of the championship games Cal Poly SLO and UC Irvine were named the DI Regional Champion.
(Someone from the WCRHL correct me if i am wrong)

The problem is the fact that DIII is a small Division and that there are only 10 teams Nationally, 9 of which were offered bids to the national championship tournament. DIII as a whole shouldn't get as much attention as the DI and DII teams because as a whole they represent the smallest portion of the NCRHA, even the B Division trumps DIII is size by a sizable margin.

[jsp047]

You're right about the Riverside/Cal Poly/Irvine situation. I always wanted to take home the trophy seeing as we were the "Division 1 Champions". Oh well, we finally got to take it legitimately

[Mtour71]

Looks like Gouge and Bruce are representing the US pretty well over in Slovakia....Ex Lindenwood goalie Kyle Mikel is on the squad as well!

http://www.lindenwood.edu/athletics/news/Default.asp?id=1426