PIHA Stats

[Phantom305]

I'm just wondering how stats are logged into PIHA's site, and how goaltenders stats are calculated: goals against, save percentage, etc

I know it may sound like a dumb question but if a goalie gives up 6 goals in 3 games and played all the games start to finish, then there goals against would be 2 correct?

if not please let me know.

[zephyr]

That's correct. GAA is calculated by the total numbers of goals against the goalie divided by the total number of games played by the goalie.

So 6 goals divided by 3 games = 2 GAA

[Leaferguy]

Was the goalie pulled for any amount of time? That would increase his/her GAA, as the time on the floor was reduced below the standard time for a game.

[Phantom305]

No the goalie was not pulled. He played all his games in full. That interpretation of the rule was exactly what i thought, but when i go to PIHA's site the goalie has a goals against of 2.40. When i see another goalie who let in 4 goals in 2 games he has a GAA of 1.90. it's alittle confusing, to me it seems like simple division 2 games played by four goals against would be a GAA of 2. i could be wrong, and i know that its more complicated if the goalie gets pulled.

[imasieve30]

A quick look through the stats for goalies shows that there are several goalies who are credited with over 48 minutes played in two games. Being that PIHA is only 24 minutes per game...well, you do the math.

I'd imagine this is the responsibility of the individual teams that enter in the scoresheets and not the system itself. Like you said its simple division.

Unless they are counting warm ups...in which case my GAA would by catastrophic. :p

[GROWL]

Phantom,

Here is the catch. I expect you are talking about a minor league goalie. All PIHA goaltender stats are subject to a 24 minute game (pro and minor). It does look a little weird from the point of view you described, however that is how the system is set up.

[FrankFrank]

Another reason why it might be higher for some is because of OT if the division is done via time played versus actual games played. Follow?

F~F

[imasieve30]

Ahh good call FrankFrank...Can't believe I forgot about overtime....:rolleyes:

[Phantom305]

Growl,

With that said, how goes a goalie with 4 goals against in 2 games have a goals against of 2.40, and another goaltender with the same stats have a GAA of 1.90.

[treytai]

The actual way it should be figured out is that you take the amount of goals scored and multiply by 24. Than divide that answer by number of minutes played. So for 6 goals in 3 games it would be 6x24=144/72 = 2. I know a couple of my games last season they had the minutes wrong so it messed things up a bit. Also overtime will play a role also. If you take those same 6 goals but say divide it by 74 minutes because of overtime you would get a 1.95 gaa.

[growl89]

It is quite easy ... If a game goes to OT, that is more minutes played, so 2 games played could have more minutes played then just 48 minutes, making the GAA lower.

Now on the opposite side of that, if there is a delayed penalty and the team controlls the puck for 2 minutes before a whistle while the goalie is pulled, then that also counts in the GAA and would raise it, because it would be less then a "full" game.

[MBurke]

It's a twofold problem.

First, Power Play Stats (the system that powers PIHA's site) currently allows one set of rules per league, which forces the minors to calculate against a 24-minute game. This obviously makes minor stats look better.

Second, stat entry errors occur frequently where a goalie isn't credited for 20 (or 24) minutes played even though he might have been in net the whole game. Skewing this too low or high will also affect GAA accordingly.

Problem 1 will be fixed in the next week or so and all stats will be retroactively recalculated and fixed as soon as we have the bugs stamped out. We've been working on a new version of the software and have held off of fixing any of these small bugs in the old system because they're already accounted for in the new one. You'll notice that W/L also are incorrectly calculated for some goalies if you dig deep enough :)

Problem 2 is up to the teams and people entering data. The quick way to check is to look at the box score for that individual game and look at the goalie stats for that particular team. If the minutes credited to the goalies don't equal a full game (of course adjusted for empty net time, though i doubt many teams are counting to that level of detail), then that needs to go through the league to get fixed.

Hope that helps!

[GoRangrHky]

First, Power Play Stats (the system that powers PIHA's site) currently allows one set of rules per league, which forces the minors to calculate against a 24-minute game. This obviously makes minor stats look better.


Other way around! If I'm a minor goalie, and I give up 3 goals in a 20 minute game, it's saying that I'm only playing 20 minutes, but calculating it based on a 24 minute game, therefore making my GAA 3.6 for that game. It makes the minor stats look worse.

[MBurke]

Other way around! If I'm a minor goalie, and I give up 3 goals in a 20 minute game, it's saying that I'm only playing 20 minutes, but calculating it based on a 24 minute game, therefore making my GAA 3.6 for that game. It makes the minor stats look worse.

I meant to say 'higher' and somehow turned it into 'better'. Oops. :o

[joisyan]

yea i'm not quite understanding the way the stats work, broken down for the minor games. because our minor goalie (winchester) had 4 in one game and 5 in the second game. therefore the average a game should be 4.5; yet it's 5.4? i'm not complaining because i'm sure it works out in the end, but how is his goals allowed average higher than he's even let in at this point?

[joisyan]

...and then i read burkes thread not too far before this one, my bad burke. lol

[zephyr]

The only stat the matters is the number in the W column. :D

[joisyan]

yea, i hear you on that one

[oldschool1]

I second that!!

Does it really matter other than pride if you give up 1.00 goals per game or 10? Really now. You could have a 0.01 GAA for the season but be pulling out the fishing pole or golf clubs in April. Its all trivial.

[GROWL]

The fact that is important to the stat watchers on this topic is that there is a reason that the goalie stats in the minors is skewed and it is that way for every goalie in the league. There for every goalies stats are comparabled.