D2 National Bids (Official)

[alawrence]

Emory
Long Beach State University
Northern Illinois
Stonybrook
University of Missouri - St. Louis
University of Texas - Dallas
Neumann
Truman State
West Chester University
Washington University - St. Louis
Hofstra
University of California at San Diego
Drexel
Missouri State
St. Louis University
Cal Poly Pomona
SUNY Albany
University of San Diego
University of Nevada - Reno
Sam Houston State University
Alternate: Shippensburg
Alternate: University of Miami (FL)
Alternate: Maine
Alternate: SIU - Carbondale

[The Corpse]

only one team from the south east? that doesn't seem right

[WeakSauce]

5 from the west isn't right either... packing all the west into one division or what?

[SnakeHandler]

the southeast gets ONE bid? ONE BID? this HAS to be some kind of sick joke. i'm absolutely speechless. someone PLEASE do something. please....

[Losingmyedge]

How good are the chances that some of the alternatives will make in it? Or another way to phrase it, how many of the team in the past who have been givin bid weren't able to make it?

[alawrence]

to the best of my knowledge no team has refused their bid in DII during the last 2 seasons. however there are 4 more teams so the probability that one will not be able to make it has risen.

[WeakSauce]

William Bourque reported earlier today that no team in the last two years has made it as an alternate in DII

[dan sangiorgio]

millersville 3-3 vs miami
millersville 9-1 vs elon

that prolly had to do with those 2 teams getting past up

if a 13 seed can beat and tie your number 2 and 3 team its hard for the people selecting teams over look that

ball state delcined there bid 2 years ago but they were an auto bid

[Losingmyedge]

Thanks for the info, one can dream. Went from second worst team in the league to an alternative bid for nationals in two years. Ill call it a victory. Good luck to all the teams at all the levels.

[alawrence]

Ball State declined their bid before the selection meeting so that one doesn't count.

[SnakeHandler]

millersville also tied shippensburg who tied neumann. BUT you can't take games out of context like that. emory beat millersville 8-2 and elon and miami play close games with emory all the time. so i repeat, ONE BID? i could maybe understand 2 bids... but also: GP and west get FIVE each? the east certainly deserves 6 or 7 bids. but the SE deserves more than ONE.

[alawrence]

shippensburg also did not get in.

[The Corpse]

6 from the east, 5 from the west, 5 from the great plains, 2 from the southwest, the auto bid from the midwest and only one from the southeast?

It is a national tournament, it is a chance for teams from different parts of the country to play each other.

The southeast teams' records are ugly because they play top tier DI teams, how many DI teams did teams from the great plains play, zero, what about the east, zero teams that made DI nationals or the west? The southeast DII teams played FIU, Florida, NC State, UCF and USF. USF didn't make nationals but they are a perinnial powerhouse, but those other teams all made it from the Southeast in DI and the Emory, Elon and Miami were fairly competative with them but DII only gets one bid?

[SnakeHandler]

and even the SW got TWO bids. in the very least, the SE is stronger than the SW. but thats the least of the screwups.

[SnakeHandler]

shippensburg also did not get in.

shippensburg should have gotten in easy. it's just retarded.

[The Corpse]

millersville 3-3 vs miami
millersville 9-1 vs elon

that prolly had to do with those 2 teams getting past up

if a 13 seed can beat and tie your number 2 and 3 team its hard for the people selecting teams over look that

\

That goalie stood on his head against Miami

[WeakSauce]

SnakeHandler- Your sentiments are echoed by me on the D1 level.

[The Corpse]

There is a case for Elon not going, I understand... they started the year strong but hadn't played well and lost to Miami and Millersville and then lost two games to Emory in Regionals. But to not take Miami seems a little odd because they beat Elon weekend before Regionals and then lost to Emory in the finals. Miami's only loses this semester were to DI teams and Emory. Emory is a very good team and Miami took them into overtime in the championship game, it id not fair to not take them when they are playing well late in the year and deserve to go

[dan sangiorgio]

and even the SW got TWO bids. in the very least, the SE is stronger than the SW. but thats the least of the screwups.

i agree with you 100 percent

[MBurke]

shippensburg should have gotten in easy. it's just retarded.

How so? Just curious as to your reasoning ...

[SnakeHandler]

but elon has a case too. nevada was just like them. looked good, but failed a bit at the end. no one can believe that their loss to millerville represents truth, when looking at other millersville/emory/miami matchups. andddddddddd nevada got a bid and elon didnt.

[MBurke]

and even the SW got TWO bids. in the very least, the SE is stronger than the SW. but thats the least of the screwups.

Tough to justify leaving a 17-3-0 team home and taking a 10-9-0 team over them though, isn't it?

You can make any number of arguments either way but without having teams playing interregionally it's always going to be a guessing game...

For those only following one thread, check the DI thread as there's a good explanation of how this kind of stuff can happen and how bids end up getting handed out...

[wgabelm]

personally i think western carolina deserves an at large bid

[SnakeHandler]

E - SUNY Stonybrook
Hofstra
Neumann
West Chester
Drexel
Albany
Shippensburg

GP - Truman
UMSL
WashU
SLU

SE - Emory
Miami
Elon

W - Long Beach
Cal Poly Pomona
UCSD

SW - UTD
SHSU

MW - NIU





That is how the bids should look. Perfectly logical. Well thought out by a person with a brain. Not a bunch of donkeys putting one team from each region up on the board at a time and blah blah... If you just look at the overall nation and schedules and all, shippensburg is in. easy. if millersville's performance in the SE causes anything, its putting a team (shipp) that lost in the quarters to stonybrook (who ultimately ended up winning the strongest region) at least into the top 20 to get a bid, EVEN if it did keep miami and elon out!!!!!!

[wgabelm]

i am totally kidding btw....
western carolina was tied for the #1 seed in our division going into regionals and had not all year beaten a SINGLE TEAM attending regionals in any division.... funny how these things work. On a serious note as a S.E player, the SE deserves 2 teams, although in my opinion it is Emory and Elon.....

whatever it doesnt matter, im ready for the neumann repeat over UMSL

[SnakeHandler]

Tough to justify leaving a 17-3-0 team home and taking a 10-9-0 team over them though, isn't it?

You can make any number of arguments either way but without having teams playing interregionally it's always going to be a guessing game...

For those only following one thread, check the DI thread as there's a good explanation of how this kind of stuff can happen and how bids end up getting handed out...

personally i think western carolina deserves an at large bid

burke, did that 17-3 team play any of the D1 teams that elon and miami had to during the regular season? gabelman, didnt western carolina have their record so beautifully win-filled by NOT playing the teams that elon and miami had to?

[dan sangiorgio]

your picks have one huge flaw that i can point out right away.....your leaving uc san diego out who lost in the west final who has about the same record as miami
you can't tell which team really is better its just pot luck if you ask me

[SnakeHandler]

ok sorry gabe.

[SnakeHandler]

your picks have one huge flaw that i can point out right away.....your leaving uc san diego out who lost in the west final who has about the same record as miami

didnt leave ucsd out.

[The Corpse]

[quote=MBurke;32893]

You can make any number of arguments either way but without having teams playing interregionally it's always going to be a guessing game...

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Then why have 5 or more teams from three regions, give three to the southeast and southwest, let there be more interregional plan in nationals, we know how those five teams played each other throughout the year in their regional play. Based on the size of your region you should get more than one auto bid, it should be like Risk, Asia is worth 7 points whereas Austrlia is only worth 2. The east should have more teams than the southwest but this system is not giving regions a fair shot to compete at nationals, the West and Southeast have the same number of DII teams why do they have 5 representatives and the Southeast only 1

[dan sangiorgio]

whoops i thought you had the other san diego listed
didnt leave ucsd out.

[SnakeHandler]

whoops i thought you had the other san diego listed

no man, i've THOUGHT this through!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so you should be on my side now!

[The Corpse]

Ed Luther obviously gave up DII bids for DI bids, thats the only logical explaination. Its all about politics

[MBurke]

burke, did that 17-3 team play any of the D1 teams that elon and miami had to during the regular season?

No, but how do you weight strength of schedule? You can only beat who you are scheduled against.

I'm not advocating that either team should or should not have gotten in. I just know how difficult it is to sit in a meeting like that and try to somehow come up with some type of analysis on quality when all you have is a bunch of numbers and game scores.

Frankly, I couldn't tell you if a team like Elon or Miami or even Shipp should be in nationals. I've only seen ECRHA teams play this year (exception of Lindenwood and UMich coming in to play some interregional games)... how am I supposed to compare Elon to a team like UCSD?

Some of you are posting on here advocating more balance between regions, which is a fair way to do things. Then again, some of you are on here asking how your 10-9 team didn't get in while an 18-1 team from another region who is 'clearly worse' got in....

It's really an impossible task and calling anyone who sat in that meeting a 'donkey' is pretty insulting.

Seeing as many games as I do and having worked with national data for 4 years now, I'm pretty confident that you could make a pretty compelling argument to move around any of the final teams selected and swap them out with a given alternate, depending on how you wanted to look at the data and how much weight you wanted to give to schedule strength, common opponents, etc.

[The Corpse]

I can say for Miami that taking away the first weekend, when we played a kid in net who was made of swiss chesse, we went 9-2-1 against DII, those loses being against Emory. Why is our schedule against other divisons looked at, I understand it is hard for the committee to break it down because our director is the only one in the meeting who has half of our schedules against non-division opponents and they dont think to look at that.

We drove to Georgia all but one weekend to play teams from the northern half of our region but found ourselves playing FIU and USF, teams from South Florida when we should have been playing Duke and Western Carolina padding our stats and record like every other region does. If we played the weak DII's in our region like UT-Dallas destroying TCU three times at 15-0, our record would be just as impressive

[Dave Garland]

I'm getting a case of deja vu...old message board memories haha.

Congrats to all teams that made nationals it will be a fun tourney. If you are looking for some fun stuff to do in St. Louis, let me know.

-Dave

[sanford]

im not sure if saying you should get i because your only losses were to emory is a good argument. im not saying that they suck or anything. however they didnt do you guys any favors when they went 0-4 last year at nationals. including a loss ship, which at this time last year i remember the SE teams complaining that it was a fluke when they beat emory on their trip to the SE. stop using the "fluke" argument and admit that you got beat.

[The Corpse]

I'm getting a case of deja vu...old message board memories haha.
-Dave

I know to what you are refering and that wasn't me last year. Last year we went 1-1-2 with Elon and they went and we didnt but they beat us when it counted and they got the bid, I didn't like it but I didn't bitch.

However this year is different, we're are being screwed becuase our league director created schedules for the DII's that put us at a comparative disadvantage with the other regions and then can't explain the situation to the rest of the committee.

Looking back at past Nationals' results, two years ago both Miami and Emory made it through the first knock-out stage, by beating Maine and Elon (before joining Southeast) respectively and then last year Elon beat Wash U in the first Elimination stage, so the argument can't beat that we are not competative compared to the other regions. So it comes down to our records, the major tool in determining our competativeness by the committee and what they are looking at in our case as a region means crap. We are a region of 10 DII teams - we didnt play the worst three at all and supposedly the best team until regionals. If had play those weaker teams we would have been about 17-2-1, then would we have been given a fair look?- Probably.

But because of our schedule we are passed over before even considered because everyone sees 10-9 and don't see whats behind it.

MOD EDIT: Please keep the inflamatory comments off the message board.

[Stew6]

Also, Elon beat NCState...

Besides that, they had pretty much the worst draw possible in regionals.

And if we're gonna go by schedule and not try to guess between regions, Elon gets in easily. And if you want to argue that the east got so many bids because their teams are so well matched, Elon gets in by the same logic (lost to emory by a late goal in regionals).

And if Elon qualifies on these terms, Miami probably should as well (lost in overtime in the finals of regionals).

[The Corpse]

Stewart I know our teams don't really get along or like each other but can you back me up here and tell the rest of the country how ridiculous it is to compare records when we are playing DI teams, and especially NC State and FIU, and no other region is

[The Corpse]

im not sure if saying you should get i because your only losses were to emory is a good argument. im not saying that they suck or anything. however they didnt do you guys any favors when they went 0-4 last year at nationals. including a loss ship, which at this time last year i remember the SE teams complaining that it was a fluke when they beat emory on their trip to the SE. stop using the "fluke" argument and admit that you got beat.

If you want to bring up last year's results what about, Sam Houston State, last year they beat everyone in their region except UTD and then went to Natinals and went 0-4
Apr 59:00PMMorrisville, NC (http://www.ncrha.org/facility.php?facility_id=62)Plaat Neumann (http://www.ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=51275)Lost 1-15Box Score (http://www.ncrha.org/game.php?game_id=65898)Apr 61:15PMMorrisville, NC (http://www.ncrha.org/facility.php?facility_id=62)Plaat Elon (http://www.ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=51133)Lost 0-6Box Score (http://www.ncrha.org/game.php?game_id=65906)Apr 73:30PMMorrisville, NC (http://www.ncrha.org/facility.php?facility_id=62)PlaLong Beach State (http://www.ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=51163)Lost 3-12Box Score (http://www.ncrha.org/game.php?game_id=65920)Apr 710:45PMMorrisville, NC (http://www.ncrha.org/facility.php?facility_id=62)Plaat Missouri - St. Louis (http://www.ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=51188)Lost 1-9Box Score (http://www.ncrha.org/game.php?game_id=66008)

They got destroyed and yet they are going back this year? And guess what I think that they should go back to represent their region because it is only fair maybe UTD is amazing and they are only great and they can beat every other team in the country but we will only know if they go. But the southeast should be given that shot too just like last year when Emory beat Elon in Regionals but it was Elon who got the easier draw and faired better.

[sanford]

i never said the shsu deserved to be in over you. i was just pointing out a flaw in your argument. inter regional play is the most important thing if you dont get an auto bid. you had a chance to make a statement when you played ship last year and m'ville this year. both times you didnt do it and both times you came on here and complained. next time you play a team from another region WIN. then if you dont get in you have a good argument.

[PMoyer3]

no disrespect to Nevada or USD but I don't think either of these team actually expected to get a bid...WOW I'm just shocked...maybe SLO will Re-roll D2 next year =) Looks like we'd get a better shot cuz we could have a crappy season AND not do well at regionals and STILL get in! Yippeee all of our problems are solved!!!

[Stew6]

Stewart I know our teams don't really get along or like each other but can you back me up here and tell the rest of the country how ridiculous it is to compare records when we are playing DI teams, and especially NC State and FIU, and no other region is

I agree that in the southeast its wrong to take a team's record into account without looking at their opposition's division. It seems to be a simple fact that we play a lot of games against opponents outside our division. This would be a good thing if it didn't complicate things for regionals, and lead to issues like this with bids for nationals. Even if you just look at the DII teams in the southeast based on their records in DII, its hard to judge properly since there are a lot of teams who play eachother several times, and a lot of teams that never meet, or only meet once.

[The Corpse]

i never said the shsu deserved to be in over you. i was just pointing out a flaw in your argument. inter regional play is the most important thing if you dont get an auto bid. you had a chance to make a statement when you played ship last year and m'ville this year. both times you didnt do it and both times you came on here and complained. next time you play a team from another region WIN. then if you dont get in you have a good argument.

Millersville was a good team and they are in a tough conference in the East,they got a late goal on us to tie the game and their goalie played an amazing game. It was a good game a bounce one way or the other and either team might have won. I looked at their schedule they played their games against other Eastern teams close, I don't know their situation maybe they were missing their best player or their starting goalie during a couple of games like we were.

Schedules and records can be used in all kinds of ways... The Texans beat the Colts in week fifteen, they are the better team later in the seaon why didnt they get to go to the playoffs instead.

It takes someone close to the teams to know what is really going on and to know that the Colts are really the better team, and that is why Im upset because the first semester we were breaking in new players and trying to find a goalie and then in the second semester we were ready to really play. We beat the second Best team Elon and in regionals we beat regular season champs Western Carolina and then took Emory into OT in the Championship and there should have been a voice in the meeting to let them know that, and that we aren't a 10-9 team and the numbers are decieiving.

In every other region you can look at records except ours and I am not going to say it is unfair but it is unfortunate that it goes unrecognized.

So what, we tied a team from the East in a good game without our goalie, I just dont see how that is a good reason to leave us home and send five from the west and great plains when we all have 10 teams. Did any of them play interregionally? How do we know how good they are? The problem is we don't so why give them five and us only one? I have no problem with the East getting 7 bids because you guys have I think 17 teams. But W and GP got 1 bid for every 2 teams in their region , SW and MW got 1 bid for every 3 teams in their region and we got 1 bid for 10 teams in our region?

[The Corpse]

they can take Elon, who probably deserve a bid too, if they want. it is just a great injustice that the Southeast only gets one team, thats it Im shutting up and getting sleep before class

[HockeyGod98]

they can take Elon, who probably deserve a bid too, if they want. it is just a great injustice that the Southeast only gets one team, thats it Im shutting up and getting sleep before class

Maybe when you get rid of the confederate flag as your avatar, whatever you say might have more weight.

[CUDangled]

Some teams just aren't going to get bids...that is the sad fact. But when you are arguing that certain sub-.500 teams should have gotten in, your arguement gets a little weak.

You have to look at not just a team's record, but WHO they beat. 1-0 victories by forfeit don't support a team's claim very well. And while it isn't a team's fault that their opponent didn't show up...it could be a difference maker at the end of the season.

There are some teams out there with 3-5 W's by forfeit! So their stats are REALLY misleading. Even if they would have won those games, their GA is skewed.

[TheU]

We should all know by now that these threads carry no weight. That being sad good luck to all at nationals. I would like to say thank you to the regional directors for all your dedicated hard work. To my teammates, stop beating your head against the wall. It is not going to change things. I repeat these threads hold no weight. I wish the Southeast the best of luck in DI and DII. All the teams that are going from the southeast need to make some waives for those who got left out and will be at home.


On a side note:
The regional directors on get paid like $2,000 a year. Therefore the time and effort that is required for the job needs to be reflected in the pay. The current system of throwing 7 teams on a pin up board being ranked by their regular season record or regional record and picking the best record is not a very good system. (Please refer to Burke's explanation on DI threads). I know some players have spent days breaking down teams, regional records, who they played,...etc. That is the kind of time it takes for more accurate decisions to be made. But I do not blame the regional directors for putting that much time and effort into the job. For I will say it for them, "We don't get paid enough to do that." I know I wouldn't want their job and I know many others wouldn't want it either. So until the pay is raised the quality of work will not raise either.

[CUDangled]

There are so many other factors that come into play that either SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be considered.

What if your team lost 8 games in a row because "your two best players were hurt"? Should this be taken into consideration? Should you be forgiven for a lackluster first half of a season because you finished strong and now have "all your players back"? Or should be look at results? Maybe teams that can't win without 1-2 players need to be deeper? Who knows... But it seems like we are using several completely different methods of reasoning to support teams that either did or did not make the cut.

Instead of sour grapes because you didn't make it, propose a better way to pick teams. Or, better yet, propose a universal guideline that the entire league (ALL REGIONS) uses to create schedules, force inter-regional play to ease region to region comparisions and rank teams. Chances are...you will find this nearly impossible with our league's limited budget and our member organizations even smaller budgets.

This is a club sport...we are here to have fun. Trust me, no one in this league is going to fall to the next level of the NHL draft because they didn't make it to nationals and get exposure with all the scouts there... :D

No system is perfect...but as was posted above...we have a small handful of people that get paid very little to do a lot of work. Thanks for all the hard work!

ps - I heard the bid meeting went until 2am last night.

[shadowsdieaway]

shippensburg should have gotten in easy. it's just retarded.

i agree, Shippensburg plays a good game, they should have gotten in over Albany, i really don't know why they didn't get a bid

[William Bourque]

i agree, Shippensburg plays a good game, they should have gotten in over Albany, i really don't know why they didn't get a bid


Albany beat us 7-4 in a round robin playoff game. Our only game with them this season.

I don't understand why you two think we should have been a lock to get into the tournament. I think if we make it as first alternate, it would be great, and we could play with the teams at nationals. However, once we lost to Stony Brook, i had thought my season was over, now we have a slim chance of hope. Could you please tell me why exactly we should be in...?


Another Thing: Please sign your posts with your names, it will add credibility to anything you say

[DUHockey9]

Albany beat us 7-4 in a round robin playoff game. Our only game with them this season.

I don't understand why you two think we should have been a lock to get into the tournament. I think if we make it as first alternate, it would be great, and we could play with the teams at nationals. However, once we lost to Stony Brook, i had thought my season was over, now we have a slim chance of hope. Could you please tell me why exactly we should be in...?


Another Thing: Please sign your posts with your names, it will add credibility to anything you say


I'm curious as to why Ship should be a lock as well. Nothing against you guys, because you are a real good team. You beat us of course! I agree with you in that, having lost to Stony Brook I would assume the season was done. Hopefully you guys get in and we can play one more time to take the best of 3 series.

-Kevin Christmann #9 Drexel University

[RustyPipes27]

I believe that people want to play the best teams in the country and I think the NCRHA does a good job of making sure the best teams are at Nationals. I could personally care less where a team is from as long as they are good.

I mean, Alaska and Hawaii aren't being represented fairly! They deserve a bid!

This is like arguing that some crappy mid-major conference should get three teams in the NCAA tournament just to spice things up and make it fair!

We are all adults here. If you didn't make it in to Nationals this year, now you know what you need to do to get in next year.

[TheU]

Chris Falce #27 Miami

I propose strength of schedule be considered. And because our budgets are so low. Instead of forcing interleague play that will cost teams a lot of money. Why not have the regional reps appear at other regions tournaments. Therefore they will actual see the majority of teams play and will be able to make better decisions during the selection process.

I am just confused. Last year we were told we got cut out because we didn't perform as strong at regionals. And this year we got cut out because of our regular season record which included games against top tier DI teams. So we performed at regionals and made it to the championship game and then lose in overtime. Still we recieve no bid. With an overall record of 12-5-1 against division II opponents.

I am a senior and wish the league the best of luck. But there are many things that are inconsistent and wrong with the league. And until that gets fixed the league will never grow. If the personnel running the league doesn't make changes there will always be a problem. Suggestions by many have been made in the past but I have seen few come into play if any.

[MBurke]

I don't disagree with your post, but I will say that mentioning an idea on the message board once isn't going to make the change happen, the same way that writing your congressman a single letter isn't going to get the job done, either.

You need to get in touch with your regional director (who serves on the NCRHA Board of Directors) and build a support network of other teams who agree with you. This is the same process we've used in the ECRHA in the past to change from running to stop time, etc. They weren't things the administration particularly believed in on their own but having pressure put on by a majority of teams will send a message they can't ignore.

[Miami Bagg]

I believe that people want to play the best teams in the country and I think the NCRHA does a good job of making sure the best teams are at Nationals. I could personally care less where a team is from as long as they are good.

I mean, Alaska and Hawaii aren't being represented fairly! They deserve a bid!

This is like arguing that some crappy mid-major conference should get three teams in the NCAA tournament just to spice things up and make it fair!

We are all adults here. If you didn't make it in to Nationals this year, now you know what you need to do to get in next year.



This thread is becomming a Miami rant but its very frustrating to miss out two years in a row when everyone you talk to says you are a lock. The main sticking point to this is that it seems some teams have to do less than others to receive a bid. Now this year really wasn't that great a year for us by our own standards and maybe we didn't deserve to go, but how can finishing 2nd in our division be worse than 5th in the West, 5th in the Great Plains, and 7th in the East. For instance, Missouri State got a bid with a 1-7-1 record against the top 4 teams from the Great Plains, was a semifinalist at their regionals, and did not play any inter-regional games. University of San Diego got a bid without 1 win against the other West teams going to Nationals. You say that our region is like a mid major, the Southwest receives about the same amount of respect on the board so I assume that opinion is true of their region as well. Their 2nd place team received a bid. Elon defeated Emory, the regional champion earlier in the year, beat NC State, the DI regional champion, and lost by one goal to Emory in the regional Semis. They aren't even an alternate because of one terrible game against Millersville. These results do not seem equitable to me. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution to the problem at this time, but I do think there is at least a small problem with the current process and I would like to know if others feel the same way.

[sjuwill]

Mike makes a very good point....this may not be the best system or the worst system but the key is it is the only system they have...things will not change because some people gripe on the message board (valid or invalid)...to get things done i agree with mike..get your regional director a better system agreed upon by the teams....be part of the answer, not the problem

[Patn Lawton]

I heard that Miami and Elon are not very good, is this true?

[RustyPipes27]

No, they are good.

They tied a team that tied a team that beat a team that lost to a good team by three goals, but that team's fourth-best player didn't play or they probably would have won or lost by one.

[Patn Lawton]

Maybe they will get a bid to the NITs then.

[James Lambert]

E - SUNY Stonybrook
Hofstra
Neumann
West Chester
Drexel
Albany
Shippensburg

GP - Truman
UMSL
WashU
SLU

SE - Emory
Miami
Elon

W - Long Beach
Cal Poly Pomona
UCSD

SW - UTD
SHSU

MW - NIU





That is how the bids should look. Perfectly logical. Well thought out by a person with a brain. Not a bunch of donkeys putting one team from each region up on the board at a time and blah blah... If you just look at the overall nation and schedules and all, shippensburg is in. easy. if millersville's performance in the SE causes anything, its putting a team (shipp) that lost in the quarters to stonybrook (who ultimately ended up winning the strongest region) at least into the top 20 to get a bid, EVEN if it did keep miami and elon out!!!!!!

Replace Missouri State with Shippensburg/Miami?

OK, but you're replacing Missouri State, who tied SLU Saturday and beat SLU Sunday...earlier this season, SLU tied UMSL, who just blew out two Nationals teams, including 18-1 Truman State, by a combined 17-4 score.

So I don't really like the A beat B who beat C who did this and that theory. It can work lots of different ways, and you could use it to support just about any team.

[RustyPipes27]

Actually, the transitive property solves all problems.

Back in their heyday, Penn State was the back-to-back-to-back transitive property national champions. I think they got t-shirts made.

[James Lambert]

If you want to bring up last year's results what about, Sam Houston State, last year they beat everyone in their region except UTD and then went to Natinals and went 0-4
Apr 59:00PMMorrisville, NC (http://www.ncrha.org/facility.php?facility_id=62)Plaat Neumann (http://www.ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=51275)Lost 1-15Box Score (http://www.ncrha.org/game.php?game_id=65898)Apr 61:15PMMorrisville, NC (http://www.ncrha.org/facility.php?facility_id=62)Plaat Elon (http://www.ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=51133)Lost 0-6Box Score (http://www.ncrha.org/game.php?game_id=65906)Apr 73:30PMMorrisville, NC (http://www.ncrha.org/facility.php?facility_id=62)PlaLong Beach State (http://www.ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=51163)Lost 3-12Box Score (http://www.ncrha.org/game.php?game_id=65920)Apr 710:45PMMorrisville, NC (http://www.ncrha.org/facility.php?facility_id=62)Plaat Missouri - St. Louis (http://www.ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=51188)Lost 1-9Box Score (http://www.ncrha.org/game.php?game_id=66008)
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In keeping with the "excuses" theme....

We lost Adam Clarke early in the second period of that game with a broken skate.

And the lone SHSU goal was scored by our backup goalie. Seriously.

And we were really just trying to run out the clock to put a merciful end to the sideshow Maine was putting on at the end of the rink.

:)

(Honestly, if I'd been picking them, Elon would definitely be in.)

[DGlass]

Back in the day, JoePa wasn't afraid of losing recruits to Pitt football, either yo.

I can't wait for Bostick to outshine Devlin.

[wgabelm]

Rusty Pipes, I mean no disrespect to you, but your comments are the board are really ridic. The last few posts from Miami on the board have been from one of the top 3 or 4 players in DII and all he has been doing is making suggestions to improve the process. He is not bitching about the process, although he is unhappy i'm sure, so there is really no need for some of your comments. That is how the message boards just become trash talking. The selection of national teams is done and its not going to change based on what is said on the message boards. Do I think the S.E. deserves another team, yes. Does my opinion matter, no. I am enjoying back to back region championships, yes:) ...
GL to all teams at nationals

[RustyPipes27]

I'm not talking trash on anyone at all...I'm just making light of the situation. C'mon...transitive property champions? How can you take that seriously?

[RustyPipes27]

By the way, I'm a pretty good player too you know... I am one of the top six or eight B goalies in the ECRHA. But when did a player's talent begin to dictate the value of his comments?

[KillinAintShe]

Every year people get snubbed for bids to nationals. It sucks and I feel for the teams who don't get in. That being said, I sure hope all of the great plains teams are ready...

[DGlass]

I'm pretty sure prime numbers are the work of the devil.

[HockeyMan85]

Please do not lump Elon with the other teams complaining about the way the Bids were distributed. I don't think anyone from Elon has posted about it.

If you want to know why Elon did not get a bid from an Elon players's perspective keep reading.

We started out the season strong by beating Miami 13-1 and than a hard faught win against Emory 10-9. The first semester we only lost one game to NC-State and honestly didnt care what the scores were as long as we won. We would play back to back games, just so we could go home early and became completly full of ourselves and thought no one could beat us.

The spring semester started and we beat NC-State 8-6, this only fueled our cockyness. Later that day we lost a hard faught battle with Emory 4-5. After that game we were emotionally and physically drained and still had a 3rd game of the day left against JMU an hour later. We ended up losing that game 4-6 b/c we didnt take it seriously and we didnt realize how drained we were from the Emory game an hour earlier.

After this tourny we started to realize we could be beaten and that we needed to make changes before the next tourny. (We dont have a coach and are completley student run. Keep that in mind) We'll we made the wrong changes, started fighting with one another and than played the worst 4 games we have ever played in my 4 years at Elon. To emphasize how badly we were playing; during our CofC game the Refs thought we were drunk b/c we were playing so sloppy and poorly. Against Miami and M-Ville we had so many defensive breakdowns and made mistakes 10 year olds make. People were doing line changes at the wrong times and not picking up the right men. After these games we realized we werent getting a bid unless we won regionals.

Before regionals we made the right changes and I think it showed. We killed UNC and WCU and had two hard faught games against Emory. I think anyone watching those 2 games will admit they were 2 of the best DII games of the weekend.

Its no ones fault except our own that we did not get a bid. We were cocky, thought we had a bid locked up all year and never played with any urgency. It sucks that we had to play Emory twice, but we would have to play them anyways to win regionals. Of the 8 times we have played them the past 2 years, 5 of the games have been won by 1 goal, but Elon has only won once. For some reason we just cant beat them. In my opinion we out play them, but things just dont go our way. If Georgia Tech had accepted their regionals bid things probably would have been different, but this is the way things worked out. I wish things could have been different. This is the first year were not going to Nationals in a long time and if we had gottn a bid we would have given a lot of teams a run for their money. There is no doubt in my mind we can compete with any team in DII.

Just wait till next spring. It will probably be the best Elon team since my fall freshman year team. I won't be there, but our best players will be seniors and JRs next year.

Good luck to all the teams that did get bids and you will see Elon next year.

[kadaan]

rusty pipes what you know about alaska and hawaii?

[HockeyPerson]

The schedule in the SE was so lopsided. Teams played DI teams and Affiliate teams multiple times while playing some DII less. For example, UNC played the CoC like 3 times.

Look at the head to head of UNC/ELON

http://www.secrhl.org/game.php?game_id=70009&area=matchup

then UNC played MIA 1x in the regular season and then in the playoffs

http://www.secrhl.org/game.php?game_id=66864&area=matchup

The same with Emory

http://www.secrhl.org/game.php?game_id=68042&area=matchup

It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to determine who is the best teams in the league by having such an unbalanced schedule.

I'm not even including ALL the forfeits that are included.

The nest season should have DII teams playing only other DII teams. That way a clear ranking can be determined.

Also, I agree with the MIAMI team...why drive 500 miles to play a team that they can play in a closer location?

Just my thoughts...

[somedude]

nah rusty pipes might be right, Alaska and Hawaii are represented. Check Reno's roster, a hawaiian and 5 Alaskans.

[kadaan]

where does it say hawaii? i see alaska

[HockeyPerson]

Maybe they will get a bid to the NITs then.

that is great. :)

[jpalic]

I'm coming into this conversation way behind but ...[quote=sanford]"im not sure if saying you should get i because your only losses were to emory is a good argument. im not saying that they suck or anything. however they didnt do you guys any favors when they went 0-4 last year at nationals. including a loss ship, which at this time last year i remember the SE teams complaining that it was a fluke when they beat emory on their trip to the SE. stop using the "fluke" argument and admit that you got beat."

Last year Elon and Emory both went to Nationals. Although Emory went 0-4 Elon ended up in the elite 8 and then finished 5th yet they did not get a bid this year.

[goodrid12]

You also might notice last year that Emory was put into the hardest round robin play and then had to play Brockport in the elimination which we lost by a goal i believe. Ohh and let's not get started on the two minute minor for shooting the puck a half a second after the whistle and the other minor for our captain saying to us "don't say s*** to the ref" on which brockport scored on both of those PP. Miami is a good team, they aren't very deep but good. They got screwed last year and this year. They play UCF, UF, USF, FIU and fair pretty well against them. I have enjoyed the last two years of stoning Falce (not really) and will miss it since we aren't playing them again. Elon, your also a great team. Honestly, you need a coach, I think that's why we beat you. My favorite games are against you guys and absolutely love it when we play. Last year regionals game was amazing, my favorite game I have ever played in. I wish you guys luck next year and hopefully we can represent the SE well.

David Johnson-Emory University

[CUDangled]

Please do not lump Elon with the other teams complaining about the way the Bids were distributed. I don't think anyone from Elon has posted about it.

If you want to know why Elon did not get a bid from an Elon players's perspective keep reading.

We started out the season strong by beating Miami 13-1 and than a hard faught win against Emory 10-9. The first semester we only lost one game to NC-State and honestly didnt care what the scores were as long as we won. We would play back to back games, just so we could go home early and became completly full of ourselves and thought no one could beat us.

The spring semester started and we beat NC-State 8-6, this only fueled our cockyness. Later that day we lost a hard faught battle with Emory 4-5. After that game we were emotionally and physically drained and still had a 3rd game of the day left against JMU an hour later. We ended up losing that game 4-6 b/c we didnt take it seriously and we didnt realize how drained we were from the Emory game an hour earlier.

After this tourny we started to realize we could be beaten and that we needed to make changes before the next tourny. (We dont have a coach and are completley student run. Keep that in mind) We'll we made the wrong changes, started fighting with one another and than played the worst 4 games we have ever played in my 4 years at Elon. To emphasize how badly we were playing; during our CofC game the Refs thought we were drunk b/c we were playing so sloppy and poorly. Against Miami and M-Ville we had so many defensive breakdowns and made mistakes 10 year olds make. People were doing line changes at the wrong times and not picking up the right men. After these games we realized we werent getting a bid unless we won regionals.

Before regionals we made the right changes and I think it showed. We killed UNC and WCU and had two hard faught games against Emory. I think anyone watching those 2 games will admit they were 2 of the best DII games of the weekend.

Its no ones fault except our own that we did not get a bid. We were cocky, thought we had a bid locked up all year and never played with any urgency. It sucks that we had to play Emory twice, but we would have to play them anyways to win regionals. Of the 8 times we have played them the past 2 years, 5 of the games have been won by 1 goal, but Elon has only won once. For some reason we just cant beat them. In my opinion we out play them, but things just dont go our way. If Georgia Tech had accepted their regionals bid things probably would have been different, but this is the way things worked out. I wish things could have been different. This is the first year were not going to Nationals in a long time and if we had gottn a bid we would have given a lot of teams a run for their money. There is no doubt in my mind we can compete with any team in DII.

Just wait till next spring. It will probably be the best Elon team since my fall freshman year team. I won't be there, but our best players will be seniors and JRs next year.

Good luck to all the teams that did get bids and you will see Elon next year.

Wow, a well thought out post from a mature person who understands that their team's destiny is completely within THEIR hands, not the hands of the people who select the bids. Thank you...

If some of these teams put half the effort into practice that they do into creating spreadsheets and tables compiling "strength of schedule" and stuff like that...and they would have 18-2 records instead of 10-10 and then they wouldn't be bitching about not getting a bid.

I am sure I will get flammed for this post...

[Duquesne12]

Why should last years showing at nationals mean anything? It was LAST YEAR last year Duquesne went. This year we won 2 games. Every year you need to wipe the slate clean and look at who showed up to the games on their schedules and won them. The only teams i feel for are the ones who get snubbed year after year and cant seem to get over the hump

[nottanitta]

I agree, every year is different, you know what I think Brockport should be in nationals because they made the final four last yea, you know what why don't we just invite every team that made it last year.... If you want to point out inaccuracies in the system then do so and post things that can be done differently so this way the directors of the league can improve things, this is still a new leauge and it improves every year, lets not complain but be constructive instead.

[goodrid12]

I was responding earlier to someone who said Emory went 0-4 last year at nationals and tried to compare that to this year. I agree last year was last year.

[jpalic]

In my comment about last year's nationals, I wasn't trying to say that Elon's performance is reason for them to go to this year's national tournament. My point was that although Emory didn't fare as well as they had hoped (they did get placed in a very tough bracket), that Elon was also representing the Southeast and ended up going further into the tournament.

I agree that every year is a new start with new players and new attitudes. Elon did not play to the standards needed to continue this past season and felt the consequences of that (I know because I play for them). I was just trying to make the point that the southeast was represented well last year in response to Sanford's comment.

I guess I didn't articulate my thoughts in the right way in that first post. I didn't mean it like that.

[Patn Lawton]

I agree, every year is different, you know what I think Brockport should be in nationals because they made the final four last yea, you know what why don't we just invite every team that made it last year.... If you want to point out inaccuracies in the system then do so and post things that can be done differently so this way the directors of the league can improve things, this is still a new leauge and it improves every year, lets not complain but be constructive instead.

Apparently we (Brockport) lost too much and can't go to nationals, so we are going to the NIT's.

[RPaigebport2]

So Pat where and when does this NIT happen?? Im not playing unless Dix and T Smooth get to play.....thats in my new contract :cool:

[William Bourque]

So Pat where and when does this NIT happen?? Im not playing unless Dix and T Smooth get to play.....thats in my new contract :cool:



We can have it in Harrisburg...we could invite Elon, Miami, Shippensburg, Brockport, Miami, Maine and __________.

Afterwards we could head back to Shippensburg, drink some soda and go tip some cows.

Pat is not allowed to come.

[Patn Lawton]

I can't go to the tournament I thought of having?

[Leaferguy]

It's the no Homers club.

[DGlass]

Except for that one Homer.

[Leaferguy]

No Homers club

[Patn Lawton]

The Homer in that episode was just a younger Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel.

None of us should have all this information so readily available.

[timholl3]

Playing for Millersville against the teams from both the East and Southeast, I can understand the frustrations of teams not making it to nationals. I don't know what the mindsets were of Miami and Elon when we played them, I'm sure they were trying to win, but at the same time the games didn't count against their league record so I'm sure that was also in the back of their heads. For that reason I don't think those games should really weigh on the nationals selection. Having said that though, teams from the southeast need to realize that the East has a much deeper league. As someone already posted, we were the 13th best team in ECRHA, but we picked up some wins/ties down there in Georgia versus some of the best the southeast has to offer.

It should also be noted that we went down there without one of our top 4 forwards, one of our top 4 defensemen and our starting goalie. I saw someone saying our goalie stood on his head down there and we got a "late lucky goal" vs Miami to tie them. Our goalie did play well, however if you look at the stats we outshot Miami 37-20. I dunno how you get lucky when you outshoot a team that bad. In the Elon game I think it was just a matter of us being rested and them being tired. They had to play Miami at 7 am and then come back and play us at 11 am. We hadn't played since the night before.

Emory is the class of the league and that was obvious to us when we went down there. If your from Miami or Elon, I think you have a legitimate case for being upset about not getting into nationals. Both teams could win games there. However, the stuff about having an unbalanced schedule really isn't a good point because I think the overall quality of play in the East is better than in the Southeast. Swap us and Temple from ECHRA with Miami and Elon from the SECRHL and I think the two Southern teams would struggle more than us.