D1 Bids (Official)

[WeakSauce]

Division I
Colorado State University
CSU San Bernardino
Eastern Michigan University
Florida International University
Lindenwood University
Michigan State University
North Carolina State University
Ohio State University
Rochester IT
State University of New York - Buffalo
Towson University
UC - Irvine
University of Central Florida
University of Denver
University of Florida
University of Michigan
University of Missouri (Mizzou)
University of North Texas
University of Rhode Island
University of Texas
Alternate: Purdue University
Alternate: University of Illinois
Alternate: Chapman University
Alternate: Cal Poly San Luis Osbispo

[WeakSauce]

Cal Poly SLO as a fourth alternate...:confused:

[Shenkbizzle]

i mean, did SLO not pay their league fees on time? Somebody has it out for them. I disagree with Chapman over UCD, but its a trifling matter compared with how badly SLO got f'd in the A.

[Shenkbizzle]

I meant the whole SLO club. Both A and B teams got f'd. Really, that sucks guys. I feel for you.

[WeakSauce]

Not to mention they wuz robbed in B division too... Shame, I really think SLO could have done something at nationals.

Most underrated league, by far, is the WCRHL. Hands down.

[SnakeHandler]

well another home team was obviously needed, so mizzou slipped in... honest excuse, although it still sucks for slo...

[WeakSauce]

I didn't think it was even borderline that SLO should have gotten in though.

I mean, if Mizzou didn't, the next spot is for a 5th(!) MCRHL team, Purdue, which has a much worse record than SLO, and wen't 0-2 in their regional, where SLO went 2-1.

What gives?

Also, any system that ranks Chapman over SLO is flawed to the fullest.

Regular season records:
Cal Poly SLO: 10-4-4
Chapman: 7-12-1

Regionals:
Chapman beat Cal Poly in semis, in OT.

Does regular season mean nothing? It must, however, because Purdue can be the first alternate while going 0-2 at regionals and coming in 5th in their region...

No comprendo.

[Shenkbizzle]

Sauce-
Great job. Point logically made. Certainly, there is are flaws of major concern in this process.

[MBurke]

Sauce-
Great job. Point logically made. Certainly, there is are flaws of major concern in this process.

A little insight into how the committee makes selections:

1. Hand out any auto-bids (one per region, most regions award this to the regionals champion)
2. Each region puts their highest-ranked team up 'on the board'
3. The selection committee selects the single BEST team from the list of seven (7 regions)
4. Repeat steps 2-3 until all bids filled.

It is completely up to the region to decide in what order those teams are placed up on the board. Only one team per region is in consideration at any given time.

As an example, ECRHA uses regionals finish as the sole system for ranking teams for nationals (the teams installed this system)... so for DI:
1. RIT (regional champion)
2. Buffalo
3. Towson
4. Rhode Island

You'll notice that these rankings are nearly the opposite order of how those teams finished the regular season.

[WeakSauce]

Shenkbizzle- Thank you.

This is rather flustering, seeing this, and I go to a school in which we weren't even in the running... seeing this though, this is a travesty.

The thing that has to be taken into account is strength of schedule... As I posted earlier today, the MCRHL is laced with lower tier teams, giving the Michigans, Ohio St., and Purdue about 5 easy victories apiece.

Contrast that with the WCRHL, where there were zero weak teams in D1, and zero easy victories apiece.

But if one team drops out of nationals, you have the opportunity of 5 MCRHL teams and 2 WCRHL teams playing in St. Louis... Don't like it one bit.

[WeakSauce]

Hey Burke, do you happen to have any insight as to who is on the board, picking the bids?

Given the information presented, I cannot come to any logical explanation for some of these picks.

[MBurke]

Hey Burke, do you happen to have any insight as to who is on the board, picking the bids?

Given the information presented, I cannot come to any logical explanation for some of these picks.

One assigned rep per region - usually it's the regional director.

As said before - Chapman would only go in before SLO if WCRHL had them ordered that way. The bid committee doesn't mix up the order of those regional bid lists.

[WeakSauce]

Yeah, I totally understand that, but it doesn't mean that the system isn't flawed...

And that still doesnt explain how there is possibly 5 teams from the MCRHL where there is only 2 from the WCRHL.

[WeakSauce]

Just to clarify, I was speaking of the inter-region selection, I understand how teams are ranked in their respective regions.

[MBurke]

And that still doesnt explain how there is possibly 5 teams from the MCRHL where there is only 2 from the WCRHL.

Sure does.

Hypothetical scenario - here's the board at a given point in the bid selection process (using completely made-up data)... and no, they don't only use records ... hopefully my point comes across here though...

Let's assume 'C' University won WCRHL regionals but had a poor regular season and was generally kind of weak...

A University (ECRHA) 10-0-0
B University (GPCIHL) 5-5-0
C University (WCRHL) 2-8-0

Clearly we select 'A'. Now the next best team from ECRHA goes up...


D University (ECRHA) 6-4-0
B University (GPCIHL) 5-5-0
C University (WCRHL) 2-8-0

'D' is selected... rinse, repeat...


E University (ECRHA) 4-6-0
B University (GPCIHL) 5-5-0
C University (WCRHL) 2-8-0

'B' gets selected ....


I take it you can see where this is going.

[Shenkbizzle]

Burke- Thank you for your information.

In light of your revelation, I cannot help but wonder if anybody else feels that this process lacks transparency and objectivity.

In particular case of the WCRHL (and im sure we'll hear about more tomorrow morning as other people wake up and see these), there is no objective way of determining the "best" among us. There is no pre-determined way to measure who that will be. Leaving that decision in the hands of the league director is no better than leaving it in my hands. I am a little bothered by that.

Further, if regionals are the end-all be-all, why do we even play an expensive and burdensome regular season? Surely, the financial cost (both to us and our institutions) of having a team would demand that there is a fair and equitable system present. For instance, UC Davis traveled to Southern California three times this past month, at a large cost to the club and players on it. If their (I should say "our" because I am a member of the club) season long success was to be ignored in determining the national seeding- why do it in the first place? Though this is just a hypothetical, it should highlight the presence of a flaw in the regional ranking.

I know you guys are just guys like me and that you mean no harm, so I apologize if you feel that this is a personal attack- it is not. I do think that changes in some processes need to be made.

[WeakSauce]

Yes, that certainly clears it up a bit, at least how they do it... thanks for the insight Burke.

So it would seem the issue is basically that the WCRHL is/was very underrated. (And there's still close zero reason Chapman should be ahead of Cal Poly SLO, or UC Davis, for that matter, but that was a regional issue.)

Shame.

[MBurke]

It's not perfect by any stretch.

Take a look at the 2005-2006 stats for Rutgers (DI) or Wentworth (DII), who had exceptional regular seasons and, for lack of a better term, blew it at regionals.

Our teams have decided regionally that they prefer that nationals bids are determined by regionals (the playoffs to get into the playoffs, so to speak). If you do not have a clear process or one that you agree with regionally, your teams should make that a priority to change for next year.

[Shenkbizzle]

I wholeheartedly agree. That's what I was getting at. Hopefully, other clubs will read this thread and agree with me (and you, I take it).

Thanks for your discussion, it was very helpful.

[WeakSauce]

I have a feeling that it will be changed in the WCRHL... Cal Poly SLO didn't even blow it in regionals, they lost in the semis in OT, and were arguably the top team from a strong conference year round.


This still strikes me as not being done with the detail that it deserved, and that the WCRHL was vastly underappreciated in some of those "other" catergories that go into the final rankings of teams.

[dan sangiorgio]

i find it odd that d2 got more bids from the west then d1 when its seems that the d1 schools in the west seem to make more noise at nationals with the excpetion of nevada which seemed to have faded this year but still got a bid
Bottom line
no system is ever gonna be perfect and with viturly no cross regional play its tough to really say who can beat who till nationals are over.... just look at how hard it is to select the ncaa b-ball tourney even with all the RPI rankings and espn polls there is always gonna be a team that feels left out
the same can be said for our league
untill a team that beats the national champion in the regular season and gets left out of nationals then i don't think there is really a "need" for a change just more of need for cross regional play such as a winter invite with more team interst

[MBurke]

This still strikes me as not being done with the detail that it deserved, and that the WCRHL was vastly underappreciated in some of those "other" catergories that go into the final rankings of teams.

I will try to guess at the scenario (another disclaimer, I was not in the meeting so this is just my best guess)...

Chapman was 7-10-1. If WCRHL uses regionals to rank those teams as I suspect, the real problem is who you would take Chapman over on that list of teams.... sub .500 teams usually have a hard time making it in unless they win their regional tournament and get an auto-bid.

Based on the bid process I outlined, SLO didn't even come into consideration until Chapman was picked.

[WeakSauce]

Yeah, I understand that...

So basically, the fact that there was an upset in regionals, paired with how the WCRHL picks solely on regionals, screws the stronger teams (Cal Poly SLO/ UC Davis) because they're essentially "stuck behind the 8 ball" in Chapman, who would get passed up in the national bid process, based on their mediocre season.

This leads me to believe that the system that WCRHL uses is incredibly flawed, using only regionals to rank teams- Especially because EVERY TEAM MADE REGIONALS.

It basically makes the expensive regular season, as Shenkbizzle stated, obsolete.

[FatAndSlow]

Just a thought....Maybe it would be better if there was no regional tournament. Then you could just take the best teams based on regular season. This would solve a lot of problems. Regular season would carry all "the weight" and less travel and cost because no regional tournament.

[WeakSauce]

Dan- I agree, especially when the D1 WCRHL was as strong as it was this year, and in the west, (with the exception of Long Beach) D1 is generally much more competitve than D2.

[WeakSauce]

FatandSlow- Honestly, that is a pretty decent idea... Either that or only have regionals for the 1st place autobid, and take regular season standings into account after that bid has been given.

[MBurke]

Yeah, I understand that...

So basically, the fact that there was an upset in regionals, paired with how the WCRHL picks solely on regionals, screws the stronger teams (Cal Poly SLO/ UC Davis) because they're essentially "stuck behind the 8 ball" in Chapman, who would get passed up in the national bid process, based on their mediocre season.


Hit it on the head. That's exactly the problem. Last year ECRHA had the 'problem' of Boston (a team hovering around .500) making a Cinderella run to the regional finals.


This leads me to believe that the system that WCRHL uses is incredibly flawed, using only regionals to rank teams- Especially because EVERY TEAM MADE REGIONALS.

It basically makes the expensive regular season, as Shenkbizzle stated, obsolete.

There's a very good argument to be made there - that said, there are plenty of good points to the contrary that say regional playoffs are just like the first round of nationals and if you can't win when it counts regionally....

[Shenkbizzle]

"Either that or only have regionals for the 1st place autobid, and take regular season standings into account after that bid has been given."

yes, I also agree. Everybody likes to have their team do well and win a tournament. Given that Regionals is the only tournament you can "win"- everybody loves Regionals. However, I don't think anybody would sign up for what regionals really is: throwing away your long and expensive regular season. I don't think the intention of regionals is to be a form of gambling- though, as we all see now, that's what it is.

As the dude above said, there is a correlation with NCAA hoops. However, in their regional tournaments, they only compete for a guaranteed spot. The regional tournament is a type of extra credit for the teams- and a great way for the conference to make cash-money. Further, when the NCAA committee gets together, they generally only reward regional success, and generally ignore regional failures by stronger teams.

[WeakSauce]

Yeah, I see that side of it completely too.

I'm starting to like the idea of holding regionals for one autobid only, and using the final season standings to rank teams following the one winner.

[bakerg81]

I think the most fair way to rank the teams in your region is based off performance at regionals. Just getting into regionals means having a consistent team for the entire length of the regular season.

That means that once regionals have started, you've eliminated a certain number of teams from having a shot at nationals. Now, based on seeding, the teams in regionals compete in tournament set-up.

This is exactly what you're going to see if you make it to nationals. Therefore, the most consistent teams in the region have a shot to win this tournament or at least finish high enough that they are considered for nationals. It only seems fair to pick the teams who win the games that matter the most.

I don't see how people justify giving one auto-bid and then basing the rest off of the regular season standings. At regionals, teams are playing the best teams with everything on the line. If you choke at regionals, should you get another shot to prove yourself at nationals? Absolutely not.

[Shenkbizzle]

Well, I think that's a pretty harsh and generally unreasonable way to go about it.

First off, why not? I think that if a team does well over an entire season and they play poorly for any reason in a regional, which is an insignificant sample of an array of one game playoffs, why should they not be afforded the benefit of the doubt?

Baker, I assume that you yourself play hockey. If this is true, and if you play for a NCHRA sanctioned team, I have no doubt that your team does not operate for free, hence you have team dues. Further, unless your club has a magnificent benefactor, I am sure that your school gives you some type of financial aid to pay your NCRHA league fee. Is this correct? Okay, now we've established that you and your school have both put money on the line to finance your 16-20 game regular season. Now, lets say you kick some decent ass during the season and you finish with a record around .600. You are good enough for second or third and are definitely in the elite of your region. You're stoked, your regular season record is sweet and you're probably going to make regionals. Nice, eh? Unfortunately, you lose a tight game to the eventual champion, sucks!!, and get eliminated (or like SLO, you lose in overtime in the semi's). Suddenly, because of the rankings system (see post above) you get to spend the next year (if you're lucky that you get to play again next year) thinking about how that sucks and how inequitable it is. I mean, didnt you spend all that time preparing, traveling, and working (to make money to play hockey) just so you could have a great season and make the national tournament? I mean, just like baseball playoffs, the idea of regionals being a meritocracy is ludicrous. Upsets happen ALL the time. Especially because the most important games are generally the third or fourth game played that day. What an idea! Example: Cal Poly Gold raped teams during the regular season, and they lost to SB Gold, who was clearly second best throughout the regular season. 6-0 in the championship game. OR UCD, who won the regular season series against Cal Poly, lost 8-0 in a laugher. What gave? Who knows. But do both of those teams belong in Nationals? Yes.

In hindsight, without the regular season being weighed, would you be willing to spend hundreds of dollars, practice dozens of hours, travel to and fro for dozens of hours (as we on the west coast do, for everybody else) to play in a regular season that, as you would have it, means generally nothing? The answer is an absolute no. Who would do that? Even those of us that love hockey would say, dude, that sucks. And if we had known this coming in to the season, I don't know how many of us would have said "Hey, that sounds like a great idea. Let's all bust our ass in practice, drive across the state of california, play eighteen games spread across all of California, games that mean almost nothing except to eliminate Cal, who has a field hockey goalie, and then gather again during midterms and see who comes up a winner on this given weekend. Then we'll forget all the other times we all played eachother and pretend that they were all exhibition games, and annoint the 'winner' of that weekend as King, and amble home with our tails firmly between our legs as broken, tired, poorer people."

Again, look at the NCAA system for hoops. They seed people based on a lot of factors, including regional tournament qualification, but mostly based on the regular season.

QED, youre being too harsh.

[PMoyer3]

wow, well i guess there really isn't much left to say except that SLO gets screwed again....every year its something with us...I don't get it. I honestly feel that we had the best team we have ever had this year and to not even get the FIRST ALTERNATE is rediculous. Obviously the strategy of the WCRHL rep was flawed because chapman's regular season record was apparently holding MY TEAM back. I don't understand how good parity in a region can work against us like this. I mean it screwed chapman and Davis too. All of the records in the WCRHL are lower than the rest of the nation due to this parity among the teams. Does that mean that we get penalized for it? Do the bids have to be given so systematically? Do you even look at them when you are done and see if there is anything wrong with that picture? I was 100% confident that we would not be snubbed this season. You can look at our regular season record...13-5-4 (3 points behind Irvine and 2 points ahead of San Bernardino),we have advanced in playoffs every year at nationals for that past ???? years....i think its like 7 -9 years now??!!! We were the only west coast team to ever participate in Winters. We are trying harder than any other school to promote the sport, develop our program, and create a better NCRHA.

I mean i guess there really isn't much i can do now but you guys really messed up this one.

I'm not even gonna get started on the B-team....it was almost laughable that they didn't get a bid a few years back after WINNING regionals.

IS it something I said...is it something you don't like about me....I'm taking it personally because i have been the president of my club for the last 4 years and have been involved in picking seeds at nationals.

This is my last year at Cal Poly SLO and it looks like i just played my last game of competitive roller hockey. I am totally over hockey now and I could care less if i even played again...I have brand new mission wicked 3s size 11.5 for sale now so send me a pm...

peace

[PMoyer3]

oh...and CSUSB and UCI... you guys better represent or I'm gonna have to cruise down south and teach you how to play. I know you guys can step up...show the rest of the nation what we all saw last weekend. good luck.

[DGlass]

There are two issues here:

1. The method in which the WCRHL ranks their teams for Nationals selection. If they have the same methodology as the ECRHA, and teams are ranked according to final standings at Regionals, then I agree with the method used. In the ECRHA, you fight during the regular season to get a higher seed going into Regionals. A tournament such as Regionals, Nationals, NCAA, etc. is designed to give the higher seeds an 'easier' road to the final (in a perfectly seeded and foreseen system, all four 1-seeds make it to the NCAA final four...boring true but that is 'perfect'). Perhaps WCRHL should readjust their method for ranking teams?

2. The NCRHA selection process where each region comes in with a set list of teams that, if taken, must be taken in that order. Because of the lack of inter-regional play, there is little to no way to put 50 teams 'on the board' at once and compare them. I imagine that even putting the 7 teams at a time causes plenty of headaches. At some point, more inter-regional play needs to develop and the NCRHA selection process can be adjusted.

[RustyPipes27]

It's never fun to get 'snubbed' when it comes to Nationals and I feel bad for the teams that got left out, but for me, two thoughts come to mind:

#1: If you are serious about going to Nationals, how do you not look into the selection process before the season or regionals begin? Nothing about that process has changed (correct me if I'm wrong). You should have known that you probably needed to make the WCRHL final to get into Nationals.

#2: Handle your business when it counts, and you go to Nationals anyways...

[oldschool22]

Sorry to see that SLO. You guys were always a tough match, and always a regular battle at nationals. Not trying to pour any salt in the wounds, but you guys lost all of your games by 1 goal. Perhaps the bid process needs to be reevaluated in an open forum. Oh. wait. The NCRHA usually does things 1 way only. Their own. They don't care how good or bad their way is, or if your way is a lot better, they'll do it their way. I hope you get to read this post before rebecca or mike deletes it, locks the post, and then closes down the message board! It would be nice if the NCRHA could openly discuss and consider suggestions from someone not on the inside. Every year some teams get screwed. It would be nice if the number of teams getting hosed could be minimized. So how can the selection process be more balanced?

[RustyPipes27]

You should probably make sure all of your facts are correct if you don't want to look ignorant...

[oldschool22]

did i overlook something? this is off the WCRHL site....

[MBurke]

Sorry to see that SLO. You guys were always a tough match, and always a regular battle at nationals. Not trying to pour any salt in the wounds, but you guys lost all of your games by 1 goal. Perhaps the bid process needs to be reevaluated in an open forum. Oh. wait. The NCRHA usually does things 1 way only. Their own. They don't care how good or bad their way is, or if your way is a lot better, they'll do it their way. I hope you get to read this post before rebecca or mike deletes it, locks the post, and then closes down the message board! It would be nice if the NCRHA could openly discuss and consider suggestions from someone not on the inside. Every year some teams get screwed. It would be nice if the number of teams getting hosed could be minimized. So how can the selection process be more balanced?

Did you even read any of the above posts?

1) Neither me nor Rebecca have anything to do with NCRHA anymore. I only work with ECRHA and Rebecca is out of college roller hockey altogether. I didn't even participate in the bid selection meeting, seeing as I'm so openly biased and all (ask anyone in meetings past how hard I argued for teams from other regions over our own when I thought they were deserving - but that's a moot point with you I guess)....

2) We've been openly discussing suggestions in multiple threads all night.

3) The reason SLO didn't get in is much more attributable to the WCRHL system than the NCRHA one.

Please feel free to make more wild claims with no basis in fact and nothing to back it up - the reason the old message board got closed down had nothing to do with criticizing the NCRHA.

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Lets remember that SLO got screwed because the WCRHL did some stupid stuff. If you put Chapman on the board against teams with better records from other regions it is going to be a while before they get picked and any other teams from the WCRHL get a shot... One good way for regions to do it (and I think this how the MCRHL does it) is to give the regionals winner the auto bid and then add 3pts for each regional win to the each teams regular season pts total... that way everything matters and if two teams are close during the regular season it will come down to who has a better showing at regionals (sorry if this was already posted)

[MBurke]

Lets remember that SLO got screwed because the WCRHL did some stupid stuff. If you put Chapman on the board against teams with better records from other regions it is going to be a while before they get picked and any other teams from the WCRHL get a shot... One good way for regions to do it (and I think this how the MCRHL does it) is to give the regionals winner the auto bid and then add 3pts for each regional win to the each teams regular season pts total... that way everything matters and if two teams are close during the regular season it will come down to who has a better showing at regionals (sorry if this was already posted)

A weighting system like that seems like a really good idea.

[RustyPipes27]

An actual suggestion to improve the process!

[TheU]

I propose that regional reps. make trips to other regional tournaments. Therefore having a first hand view of how good teams are in other regions. I just feel that forcing interleague play is almost impossible due to the costs of entire teams traveling. But having a handful of regional representatives making just a few trips could cut costs extremely and allow for more insight on teams outside their region. Rather than making selections from a few numbers that they see on a stat sheet.

[MBurke]

I propose that regional reps. make trips to other regional tournaments. Therefore having a first hand view of how good teams are in other regions. I just feel that forcing interleague play is almost impossible due to the costs of entire teams traveling. But having a handful of regional representatives making just a few trips could cut costs extremely and allow for more insight on teams outside their region. Rather than making selections from a few numbers that they see on a stat sheet.

Devil's Advocate point - we all play on the same weekends and I know in most regions the regional rep is the same person helping to run the event. Plus that's 7 regions x 6 trips = 42 trips total!

Another (possibly) cheaper alternative would be to require all regions to have their regional events taped, have the event a week earlier and have the tape copies either digitized and posted online or shipped to each region.

[ckirk]

The problem with that is the league director does not play in the game and that person might be able to say that their team can beat them but until the two teams play no one knows what really would happen.

[roy94]

It's my understanding that the old NCRHA board was shut down because "adults" continually used that board as a forum to "flame" and disparage teams, players and league officials. It was not closed because Mike, Rebecca or any other league official or board moderator didn?t agree with the opinions expressed. The content had become personal, immature and detrimental to the development of the league. Personally I thought closing that board was one of the best decisions the league ever made from an appearance/ professionalism standpoint.

I agree that the selection process is only slightly flawed. For the most part the correct teams make it in. Improvements to this format however could and I believe should be made. That said I haven?t actually come up with a selection process to replace the one currently in use. Therefore my opinion on the selection process is inconsequential. I didn?t care enough beforehand and most likely wont care enough after to formulate a process and submit it to my (ECRHA) regional director or the (NCRHA) DLO for consideration. It's easy to argue the injustice of this system and point out where it?s weak and when it fails. It's much more difficult to formulate a reasonable, effective and realistic system that would be more equitable. Until this has happened any argument will most likely fall on deaf ears. Give the governing body something concrete to consider. If nothing else that shows them you actually care and are interested in improving the process, not just complaining because your team didn?t get in. I would have to believe that providing them, the NCRHA, with something would bolster your position far more than message board "chatter". The officials in this league do not get equitable pay for the job performed, the time required and the aggravation incurred. Make the process easy on them and I would imagine they would be willing to take a more proactive stance in regards to amending or changing the bid selection process for nationals.

[bakerg81]

I just don't understand the logic where one bad game at regionals shouldn't matter. It should matter. It's the biggest stage there is for your region! If you can't get up and win that game, then that sucks for you and your team. Based on your logic where the regular season should matter so much, would you then say that if my team has a bad game in the regular season or even a bad weekend (which we did) then we should still be allowed to go to regionals based on our other results?

In the ECRHA, RIT beat Buffalo in the regional final. We beat Buffalo at the last regular season weekend and tied RIT in our second matchup vs them. Granted, they both beat us the first time we played them. Should we then just throw out our first two meetings with them and say well, Penn State got 3 out of a possible 4 points vs the top two teams from regionals? Let's give them a bid to nationals based on their outstanding performance in two games.

The point of this is that the regular season is what gets you into regionals. Regionals is what gets you into nationals. My team didn't even make regionals so it's not even like I'm arguing from the standpoint of someone who made the tournament. If you can't win your important games (which we as a team did not) or if you can't win games at regionals, then too bad.

[ckirk]

The Midwest has not moved to that structure yet but the idea was tossed around but it was never approved by the teams. It will be one of the things that the teams will look at for next season.

The Midwest gives the winner of the final weekend the auto bid and then we go off of points. So if a team goes deeper in the final weekend they are able to make up more points. So every win is worth 2 points and every tie is worth 1 point.

[PMoyer3]

The Midwest has not moved to that structure yet but the idea was tossed around but it was never approved by the teams. It will be one of the things that the teams will look at for next season.

The Midwest gives the winner of the final weekend the auto bid and then we go off of points. So if a team goes deeper in the final weekend they are able to make up more points. So every win is worth 2 points and every tie is worth 1 point.

This is the single reason why MCRHL has more bids. They are taking their strongest teams on paper first. Not neccessarily the order that they finish at regionals. Because WCRHL chose to put chapman ahead of us we basically had no way of getttig a bid. But if they would have put UC Davis ahead of us we would have had a better shot simply because Davis has a better regular season record than Chapman.

So the fact that all of the regions uses a different method to pick their bid order is what is flawed not so much the overall selection process. MCRHL has a clear advantage to get more teams in with their method. How is the NCRHA going to claim it is a national governing body when the rules are different in each region?

[RustyPipes27]

Um, the United Nations is a governing body but all of the countries have different rules, right?

Same thing with the United States of America, too.

You might want to look up that definition.

[PMoyer3]

give me a break, thats not the same at all...this is a game...we are all supposed to be competing on an even playing field

Did you really just say that?

[RustyPipes27]

I did just say that. It's a GOVERNING BODY. It has a purpose and it satisfies that purpose.

I'm really sorry that you didn't make Nationals, but life will go on.

[TheSnake22]

i dont play nchra yet, but i just wanted to chip in real quick... if you look at ncaa basketball, a comparison that has come up in the thread... some people agree that regionals should be the most important aspect of the regional rankings. that would be like saying that if Connecticut went all the way through the big east tournament and won it, that they would be the best team in the big east. that makes no sense...

in my opinion, the purpose of conference tournaments should be first, an opportunity to win an automatic bid, and second, to provide a chance to strengthen your overall profile. but you can't just rank every team on where they finish in the tournament, that's absurd. i like the suggestion of weighting the games from the conference tournament, that sounds like an excellent idea...

[GoRangrHky]

The NCAA lets each conference determine how it's autobid is decided, for pretty much every sport they govern. This is kind of similar.

[UMCoach]

I don't usually post messages, but reading this thread has sparked enough interest to actually get involved. Roy94, I completely agree with you. If anyone has a better suggestion to the process, please think it through and approach your LD or the NCRHA with the whole selection process. As it stands right now, each region needs to evaluate how they want to select their teams. In the Midwest, the auto-bid goes to the Regional winner, then regular season points determines the next in line. In our case, EMU won the tournament, and potentially 'caused Purdue to miss out on an invitee as the #4 team in the region. This is documented in our league manual and is the process that our representative, our LD, is forced to follow during the selection meeting. (However, SLO, your B team will likely get some sympathy from WMU's B team, since they finished #2 B team in our region, ahead of EMU B, but EMU got the alternate spot and WMU got nothing). Personally, I don't like the East's method of basing the entire season on just Regionals, but that's my opinion, and that region's teams has allowed this happen. In the West, I don't know how you do it, but I would take it up with your LD.

Is there a perfect system, no. What needs to happen is there needs to be an enforcement of cross-regional play. I would go a step farther to say that you must play at least 4 games against other regions to be eligible for NCT. Yes this means additional burden to teams, but it's necessary. 1, it will make the overall relative rankings of regions easier, and leave less room for questioning after NCT bids announced. 2, it will move the league along, forcing teams to get more involvement from school/alumn/community for funding. I think that the Winter tournament was a great idea to help this, but that didn't happen this year, so it was left on teams/regions to travel. Only then could people state if the Midwest deserves 4 or 5, and the West gets only 2 (only comparison I can draw for our region is that UM lost to Towson and beat Buffalo). How do we know now? We don't, but that burden lies on the 7 regional reps. I've never been part of that discussion, but imagine how difficult of a job they have to represent their teams, and still remain objective. Someone made the suggestion about LDs traveling, well that isn't going to happen, but I believe the DLO of the NCRHA went to each region, and I'm sure that he was present to give his input/opinion to the selection process.

I know that the Midwest is looking into changing it's rules governing how the LD nominates people into the NCT selection process, and I encourage anyone to learn how your region works, and if you disagree with the process, come up with something better and try to get it implemented. As for the NCT selection process, given the data they have, I believe that it works well enough given the information they have available. There is always room for improvement, and I think it starts with more inter-regional play and each region's rules for nominating teams

[DGlass]

The ECRHA came at their decision to rank teams based on Regionals standings a number of years ago because the ACC was unhappy with the way bids were being handed out.

To my knowledge, each team in the ECRHA is happy (or content) enough with the system and sees no reason to alter it.

NCRHA and March Madness are the most comparable, but only to a point and that point differs for each person. For me, the general structure and ease of explaining the regular-season/national tournament comparison is perfect. You earn wins during the regular season, you earn respect during the regional championship (drive for show, putt for dough...for the golfers among us).

I cannot and would not expect the NCRHA selection committee to call up every 'bubble' team and ask what circumstances they had to deal with?

"On the way to our third weekend, one of our player's cars got a speeding ticket and was too emotionally scarred to perform well."

"Our leading scorer's girlfriend washed his lucky socks."

"We thought our team was a lock for Nationals so we threw the regular season in order to make money to pay for our flights."

Actually, that third one would be pretty damn funny.





Bottom line: Win, or go home.

[WeakSauce]

I just don't understand the logic where one bad game at regionals shouldn't matter. It should matter. It's the biggest stage there is for your region! If you can't get up and win that game, then that sucks for you and your team. Based on your logic where the regular season should matter so much, would you then say that if my team has a bad game in the regular season or even a bad weekend (which we did) then we should still be allowed to go to regionals based on our other results?

In the ECRHA, RIT beat Buffalo in the regional final. We beat Buffalo at the last regular season weekend and tied RIT in our second matchup vs them. Granted, they both beat us the first time we played them. Should we then just throw out our first two meetings with them and say well, Penn State got 3 out of a possible 4 points vs the top two teams from regionals? Let's give them a bid to nationals based on their outstanding performance in two games.

The point of this is that the regular season is what gets you into regionals. Regionals is what gets you into nationals. My team didn't even make regionals so it's not even like I'm arguing from the standpoint of someone who made the tournament. If you can't win your important games (which we as a team did not) or if you can't win games at regionals, then too bad.


The problem that you're overlooking is that in D1 WCRHL, every team made regionals. Cal Poly did finish in the top 4 of regionals, losing in OT in the semis. That's not exactly blowing it, is it?

It not the logic that regular season should matter so much, but that the regular season is inconsequential and basically obsolete.

Personally, I'm a strong proponent of a weighted system as was being discussed earlier.

By the way, way to go with the discussion in here people- alot of good ideas and mature discourse seem to be coming out of this.

[RevisonHockey]

I must say I don't envy those who have the job of selecting the teams. I also must say that I have been to the ECRHA events and to Nationals, and have coached and played NARCh and TORHS and so I know hockey pretty well. I'd say that whether its Chapman, UC Davis, or SLO that its disappointing to not see atleast a 3rd WCRHL team in Nationals. This division is STRONG and has 6 very good teams, just as many others have pointed out, that makes having a great record and doing well at regionals very difficult. So yes in a way it seems they were penalized here for the strength and parity of the conference.

With all that said, I must also say that in the case of Chapman - whether all our players were there or not, it is partially our fault for not having it together enough, or being committed enough to get everyone there for all of our regular season games. So we can't blame anyone but ourselves in the end.

In the case of UC Davis and SLO, as well as they played in the regular season, we all know if you can't step it up and do well in the playoffs then you have to take accountability for that. We all have a certain amount of control over our fate here.

My only true solution here is that they should look at the strengths of the conferences first, and determine based upon that how many teams they will take from each conference as a guarantee.

So if that equalled 17 then they would have 3 additional overall bids to choose. But if you did it that way there would be ATLEAST 3 teams from WCRHL, hopefully a fourth would get in based on record and reputation like SLO.

[KSiordia66]

It was a total shock to recieve phone calls at midnight from teammates who saw that the west only recieved 2 bids to nationals. I believe this year the western teams had all the toughest competition of all, with first through forth place only seperated by 5 points.

I personally think that SLO/Davis/Chapman are definately getting a rough deal this time around. Hopefully our Cinderella regionals run won't go to waste and well bring something back for the Best Coast.

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Can someone please rename this thread as "everyone from the west coast cry a bunch about all your problems"... your not in, get over it, move on with your lives or think of something constructive that isnt just bitching that SLO did so super duper and got screwed... :'( :'( :'( Go surf or smoke some pot or whatever you cali kids do to calm down

[RichardGraham]

Hi roy94,

As someone who has had to monitor message boards for more than nine years, I know very well what a headache it can be. I don't blame anyone for taking down a message board. I believe NARCH did the same thing. I'm keeping IHC's up, but I need help from readers like yourself who see posts that go over the line. Send me an e-mail and let me know. I can't monitor the boards 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Thanks for your help in advance, and the help of all other reasonable IHC readers.

[KSiordia66]

Considering Cal Poly SLO has been the model team as far as organization, performance, and advancement of the league for the WCRHL and could be up there as one of the greatest NCRHA organizations in college roller hockey history. It is disapponting not to see them make the tournament

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Considering Cal Poly SLO has been the model team as far as organization, performance, and advancement of the league for the WCRHL and could be up there as one of the greatest NCRHA organizations in college roller hockey history. It is disapponting not to see them make the tournament

So was the first stage of grieving anger?
Are we on the second stage? - Thinking we are GODS!!!

[KSiordia66]

Who says im upset about anything, we did our job (winning the regional tournament)

But trading wins with Cal Poly SLO over the years it is always good to see them do just as well at Nationals

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

I guess when you said it was dissapointing I thought you meant to you were dissapointed since thats what people mean when they say that... its ok to be upset... we all feel your pain... just let it out... you will feel better

[WeakSauce]

Can someone please rename this thread as "everyone from the west coast cry a bunch about all your problems"... your not in, get over it, move on with your lives or think of something constructive that isnt just bitching that SLO did so super duper and got screwed... :'( :'( :'( Go surf or smoke some pot or whatever you cali kids do to calm down

Well, that was mature.

If you look back and actually read what was going on in this thread, there was little crying, and a lot of mature conversation- something that obviously intimidates you.

When there's a problem in a system, mature adults look for solutions. Immature adolescence pass it over because "that's the way it is".

Good job showing your true colors, though.

~A non-pot smoking, non-surfing Californian.

[WeakSauce]

So was the first stage of grieving anger?
Are we on the second stage? - Thinking we are GODS!!!

KSiordia66 goes to San Bernardino... What is he grieving about?

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Grieving for his fallen homeboys? who knows... ask him

You guys get so worked up about your forums... maybe if you put this much into your hockey the west coast could get more then 2 teams in... COUNT IT

[PMoyer3]

Can someone please rename this thread as "everyone from the west coast cry a bunch about all your problems"... your not in, get over it, move on with your lives or think of something constructive that isnt just bitching that SLO did so super duper and got screwed... :'( :'( :'( Go surf or smoke some pot or whatever you cali kids do to calm down


I will admit that last night at 2:30am I was pretty devastated and could have cleaned up my posts a bit; but now you are being the imature and inapropiate one.

To generalize all of the west coasters to "Go surf or smoke some pot" is completely unjustified and an insult to the integrity of everyone in our region.

Good thing you don't have your school's name on your signature because it would not reflect well for their academics. ksiordia66 clearly is not from Cal Poly SLO. AND...this is the first time any of us "homeboys" have even posted on the forums....AFTER the season!!!!

People like you are the reason the message boards got shut down in the past. If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion please refrain from posting.

I'll leave with this...
"An educated person is one who has learned that information almost always turns out to be at best incomplete and very often false, misleading, fictitious, mendacious - just dead wrong."
Russell Baker
"It is a thousand times better to have common sense without education than to have education without common sense."
Robert Green Ingersoll

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

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[TheSnake22]

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lol count that...

it's just a discussion that can only serve to improve the league, no one is trying to make it personal...

[Shenkbizzle]

Wait a second....

if the WCRHL process dictated that all of the teams were too be selected behind Chapman, the Regionals Runner-Up, how did UC-Irvine get in there? Surely, they were on the page as SLO on the hierarchical list. Hmmm.....
Wouldn't that mean that somebody along the way said, "hey, we have to have these guys here, just put them in." That is very fishy. Even the unclear process itself doesn't seem to be guided by clear rules. What gives?

[DGlass]

The NCRHA process is not perfect. DII has some legit gripes, DI has some legit gripes. At least DIII and B seem to be relatively calm (though SLO supposedly got the shaft there as well).

Personally, I believe the NCRHA selection process whereby each region attends the meeting with their teams ranked is about as good as you can get at this point in time. With more inter-regional play, we will be able to better gauge regional strengths.

As for how those regional lists are created...that leaves quite a bit to talk about. I'm sorry, I don't have the patience to go back and look, but could someone please outline again the process that Western is supposed to use to make their list?

I think that is the center of this SLO question. It seems that Western approached their meeting with a misrepresentative (what?) list of schools.

I very much am at peace with the ECRHA's process but am beginning to like the Midwest's process as well (Regional champ gets the auto bid, list is then populated by total points of reg. season and playoffs, right?).

What about the Regional Tournament Champion gets the auto bid, the regular season champ (if different), is second on the list, and then you go by total points in reg season and playoffs...

[PMoyer3]

Wait a second....

if the WCRHL process dictated that all of the teams were too be selected behind Chapman, the Regionals Runner-Up, how did UC-Irvine get in there? Surely, they were on the page as SLO on the hierarchical list. Hmmm.....
Wouldn't that mean that somebody along the way said, "hey, we have to have these guys here, just put them in." That is very fishy. Even the unclear process itself doesn't seem to be guided by clear rules. What gives?

No, the order for WCRHL was CSUSB (regional champs), UC Irvine (Reg Season Champs), Chapman (Regionals 2nd place), Cal Poly SLO (Regionals 3rd Place). So the only way we would have gotten a bid was if Chapman got one first. They followed the order to a T. If you notice that as soon as chapman got their bid we were the very next pick. I'm sure if they got the 19th bid we would have gotten the 20th. Just how the cards fell.

[PMoyer3]

And to answer DGlass's question...

Yes, if the WCRHL would have used the format that Midwest used then we would have been the 3rd bid from the west and I am confident we would have gotten a bid with our record.

So, is each representative's goal to get as many teams in their region in as possible by putting up their teams with best records first; or to follow a specified order from regionals results? That is the question. There could be a lot of strategy involved.

[WeakSauce]

The system was followed, there was no foul play involoved.

The issue is the system. I really like the system proposed earlier that sorts by one autobid for the winner of regionals, then gives 3 additionals points per win at regionals, and adds them in with the overall regular season score. I don't see anything mroe fair then that.

Shenkbizzle-

Looking at the remaining teams below Cal Poly SLO, one is hard pressed to think that UC Davis isn't right behind them- I dont know for certain, but that is how it plays out to me. I think that really highlights the issue, that two teams fall in line directly after Chapman, who happened to be the limiting factor.

[Shenkbizzle]

No, the order for WCRHL was CSUSB (regional champs), UC Irvine (Reg Season Champs), Chapman (Regionals 2nd place), Cal Poly SLO (Regionals 3rd Place). So the only way we would have gotten a bid was if Chapman got one first. They followed the order to a T. If you notice that as soon as chapman got their bid we were the very next pick. I'm sure if they got the 19th bid we would have gotten the 20th. Just how the cards fell.

Ah! I thought the Reg Season champ didnt mean anything and the order was just the regionals finish. Thanks for the explanation, yo. Glad to know that there wasn't something extra fishy going down.

[Shenkbizzle]

The system was followed, there was no foul play involoved.

The issue is the system. I really like the system proposed earlier that sorts by one autobid for the winner of regionals, then gives 3 additionals points per win at regionals, and adds them in with the overall regular season score. I don't see anything mroe fair then that.


For now, I agree with you.

I just hope some people are reading this and thinking about it. Not as a personal attack, of course, but as a way to further the development of this league. Problems like this are necessary demons for an organization that builds itself from the ground up.

[DGlass]

ECRHA ranks teams entirely by their final standing at the Regional Tournament.

In extenuating circumstances, the BOD can reconsider the list and advise our NCRHA Rep to alter it in order to better reflect the league.

[PMoyer3]

For example: (If MCRHL used the WCRHL system)
If Eastern Michigan would have lost in the championship game (which seems that they should have with their record) The MCRHL would be having the same problem as the WCRHL. EMU *(8-15-1) would be the 2nd seed behind MSU and would (if i understand correctly) not have been picked. Therefore causing a "roadblock" for teams like Michigan, Ohio St., and Purdue.

*EMU record if they lost championship

[UMCoach]

ECRHA ranks teams entirely by their final standing at the Regional Tournament.

In extenuating circumstances, the BOD can reconsider the list and advise our NCRHA Rep to alter it in order to better reflect the league.

I firmly believe in our (Midwest) region's method of the tournament winner being given the auto-bid, and then the remaining teams are ordered by regular season order. This puts the majority of emphasis on the entire, for us 20 game, regular season, and still allows any of the top 8 teams to get the auto-bid. What this prevents is a low tier team making a great run in tournament, but not winning (say lose in finals, like Chapman), from superceding say a 3rd place team that maybe had a bad game in the tournament. As for the new thought of adding points from the Regional tournament, it definitely has potential, not sure yet.

In an ideal world, to me, the NCT selection process would be more mathmatically based. Just thinking out loud, based on previous NCT performance (by win percentage by region), along with total # of team per region, the number of bids to be dished out to each region would be determined at the beginning of the year (say 20 of the 24 teams). Then, with mandatory cross-regional play, the regions could be weighted against each other, to allow for the remaining bids. Then, it would simply be based on each region to nominate their respective teams. Additionally, the NCRHA would define how each region nominates team, which would be a combination of regular season (say 70%), cross region play (20%) and regional tournament (10%) results.

[DGlass]

Actually, I believe it has already been stated that the Midwest grants their auto-bid to their Regional Tournament Champion and then ranks teams according to total points. Because their regular season record was so poor, even their showing at Regionals would probably not be enough to get them to Nationals. EMU is a bad example though because of their second semester issue.

The better example occurred in ECRHA DI last year. Boston made a terrific run to the finals, only to lose to Towson. According to the ECRHA guidelines, they were ranked #2 in the region and probably did act as a roadblock. The standings for DI ECRHA last year were (I believe):

Towson
Boston
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Maryland

Towson received the auto-bid, and Boston (at 7-10-1) was on the board for the East. Once they went, Buffalo (11-6-1) was quickly selected followed by Pitt (another second semester issue team). Pitt also probably served as a roadblock as Rutgers certainly deserved to go last year.

[DGlass]

Oops, sorry. Didn't see you said if Midwest used the Western process.

[aWAKEnD518]

WCRHL got screwed... end of story

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Burn on me

Ah well, I guess I should stop and start planning my trip to Nationals, the one that all those poor west coasters wont get to go on

[KSiordia66]

I'll be there, hopefully we can square off against you.

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

WCRHL screwed themselves... end of story

Grrrrr... I hope we do get to "square off"... Grrrrrrr

[bcottrell]

Hey, this is bobby cottrell, former Cal Poly SLO forward. Having played for SLO for the previous five years when when we constantly represented our region quite adequately at nationals, I cannot believe that none of the wcrhl or NCRHA directors will show a little backbone and step up for a team (cal poly) that has done what they have done for collegiate inline hockey.

Cal Poly D1 lost five key players this season due to graduation and still fielded a great team, perhaps better in team chemistry than ever. Compared to the other WCRHL teams who besides UC Santa Barbara do very little to keep nearly every single inline hockey player in the school active in the club or on a travel team, Cal Poly-slo had an less than easy replacement process for their d1 squad.

Cal Poly SLO has excelled at nationals back to the day when Brennan Edwards played so I think he could vouch that SLO has paid their dues and should be recognized as an elite squad time and time again.

San Bernadino is good, they've had the same core for four years, they should be good. UC Irvine.....great team but their lack of manpower kills them as it did against michigan state last year at nationals. When I dont see CP SLO on the automatic bid list but I see some of the teams from other regions that made it over poly, I have to laugh and just remember that all the decision making is taking place in the midwest and that "westcoast representation" in the bid selection process is strictly for looks.

NCRHA/WCRHL,etc...or whoever wants to pass the blame to the other party needs to come together and amend this situation. There is no doubt that Cal Poly is the most seasoned team in the WCRHL to play teams from the other regions and I am certain that their absence at nationals wills surely reflect their motivation to continue doing what they have done for the collegiate inline hockey for the last seven to nine years.

Forget excuses, do what is right.
Bobby Cottrell

[aWAKEnD518]

WCRHL screwed themselves... end of story

Grrrrr... I hope we do get to "square off"... Grrrrrrr

so where is it you're from?

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

I am from the future NCRHA champion OSU Buckeyes... Go Bucks!!!

Where are you from? The cali "yo dude"s?... Maybe the Westcoast hippys? Go get a haircut and some real clothes and get a job... and try eating something other then granola.

I hope the rink where the tournament is held has lots of kleenex for you to dry your poor californian eyes :'(

[MBurke]

When I dont see CP SLO on the automatic bid list but I see some of the teams from other regions that made it over poly, I have to laugh and just remember that all the decision making is taking place in the midwest and that "westcoast representation" in the bid selection process is strictly for looks.

NCRHA/WCRHL,etc...or whoever wants to pass the blame to the other party needs to come together and amend this situation.

Forget excuses, do what is right.
Bobby Cottrell

Where do you guys get some of this stuff from?

The WCRHL and NCRHA selection processes and ranking system have BOTH been clearly defined in this thread. There's no bias or otherwise going on, and it certainly has nothing to do with the MCRHL. Every region has equal representation and voting power when it comes to bid selection.

[KSiordia66]

Who's bored with this kid yet?

Did you log onto your older brother's account?

[aWAKEnD518]

Who's bored with this kid yet?

Did you log onto your older brother's account?

i am, i can't wait to kill his team

let him use all those kleenex he talked about

[SuperSeremet]

I happen to think he is hilarious. He is very entertaining and I hope he posts more. Its a shame that you are so boring, it almost seems unfair.:)

[KSiordia66]

I happen to think he is hilarious. He is very entertaining and I hope he posts more. Its a shame that you are so boring, it almost seems unfair.:)

the whole internet troll type deal was old before it started

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Theres what 9 teams comming from cali? id watch what you say DUDE.

Thank you for offering to watch what I say for me?

I wish we would get to play 9 cali teams... that would be the easiest 9 games of my life. I would be in complete shock if any WCRHL D1 team scored a goal at nationals. You guys cant compete.

And thank you for capitalizing DUDE. It really let ME know that YOU are an IDIOT.

[aWAKEnD518]

Thank you for offering to watch what I say for me?

I wish we would get to play 9 cali teams... that would be the easiest 9 games of my life. I would be in complete shock if any WCRHL D1 team scored a goal at nationals. You guys cant compete.

And thank you for capitalizing DUDE. It really let ME know that YOU are an IDIOT.


can somebody just ban this idiot. people like him are the reason that forums get closed down. how can you say WCRHL teams can't compete? have you played any of them this year? have you seen any of them? i promise you, any of the top WCRHL teams can compete.

[alex]

I wouldn't take him so literally guys. He did say his Ohio State Buckeyes are going to win Nationals, so he can't be too serious.

[aWAKEnD518]

I wouldn't take him so literally guys. He did say his Ohio State Buckeyes are going to win Nationals, so he can't be too serious.


good point, they only went 1-2 at regionals, beating Miami of Ohio, a barely .500 team for the year

go buckeyes!!! national champs for sure!!!

[odien035]

Back to the topic of national bids, its all politics, this kids dad is probably on the board, thats why his team got a bid! lets see if this kid opens his mouth once nationals is all over! For all i know he probably sits on the bench the whole game!
the funny thing is he motivated me to make an account!
now i can join the fun

[RustyPipes27]

Thank god you signed up. We couldn't have lived without that post.

[paddymac]

I think it's pretty funny that all you clowns are taking this so seriously. This kid is obviously joking.....I don't think the statements could get much more outlandish! If y'all keep bantering I won't complain, because I'm LMAO reading all of it, but I'd just let it go. Clearly we should all be able to agree by now that the West sucks! :p

[aWAKEnD518]

I think it's pretty funny that all you clowns are taking this so seriously. This kid is obviously joking.....I don't think the statements could get much more outlandish! If y'all keep bantering I won't complain, because I'm LMAO reading all of it, but I'd just let it go. Clearly we should all be able to agree by now that the West sucks! :p

that was the most outlandish of them all
i'm LMAO reading THAT

[aWAKEnD518]

Not to mention they wuz robbed in B division too... Shame, I really think SLO could have done something at nationals.

Most underrated league, by far, is the WCRHL. Hands down.

i agree with this guy

[socalhockey]

If the NCRHA Allstar tournament by division at Narch comes together, then we should get to see which division is the strongest.

[Patn Lawton]

I'll take the field against the west. Actually Lindenwood would beat any regional allstar team anyways I think.

[???]

True, Lindenwood would prolly beat any all-star team.

However, I'd put money on the Midwest in an all-star competition. Look at all the leaders they have in the statistics nationally, for offense and goaltending.

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

that was the most outlandish of them all
i'm LMAO reading THAT

Having 2 WCRHL teams at nationals is the most outlandish thing EVER to happen in the history of this league... 0 teams should be coming... it makes the entire tournament unfair because whoever gets to play those teams gets free wins... If I get real lucky all of this talk will earn OSU a game against super scarey Chapman... The only thing easier then that would be a game against SLO but I guess that wont be happening this year.

[RustyPipes27]

Wait...Ohio State has a roller hockey team? Are they new this year?

[Patn Lawton]

I will admit half the posts I make are pretty stupid, but all this garbage is the reason they had to shut down the MB's last year. Lets not have that happen again.:)

[PMoyer3]

PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEE put a west coast team in OSU's bracket!!!

It would make my day!

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEE put a west coast team in OSU's bracket!!!

It would make my day!

If OSU does not get to play a WCRHL team it will show that the NCRHA is rigged against us. Which team do you guys play for anyways, I would like to know which one of you I get to beat once brackets are posted.:D

[William Bourque]

PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEE put a west coast team in OSU's bracket!!!

It would make my day!

mine too


Flordia > OSU

[KSiordia66]

If OSU does not get to play a WCRHL team it will show that the NCRHA is rigged against us. Which team do you guys play for anyways, I would like to know which one of you I get to beat once brackets are posted.:D

CSU-San Bernardino
wcrhl regional champs

[aWAKEnD518]

CSU-San Bernardino
wcrhl regional champs

1 of 2 WCRHL teams that will not be "free wins"

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

You WCRHL people do realize this is a hockey tournament right? I may be worried about playing a Cali team in the following situations:

A Frisbee tournament ? Cali teams would do OK
A Hacky-Sack tournament ? Cali teams would do well
A Tie-Dying your T-Shirt tournament ? Cali teams would probably win
A tree hugging tournament ? Cali teams would be the Lindenwood of that league

Until I enter the National Collegiate Not Showering League (NCNSL) I am not going to be too worried about a bunch of Cali hippies beating me at anything

[spencerhs5]

You WCRHL people do realize this is a hockey tournament right? I may be worried about playing a Cali team in the following situations:

A Frisbee tournament ? Cali teams would do OK
A Hacky-Sack tournament ? Cali teams would do well
A Tie-Dying your T-Shirt tournament ? Cali teams would probably win
A tree hugging tournament ? Cali teams would be the Lindenwood of that league

Until I enter the National Collegiate Not Showering League (NCNSL) I am not going to be too worried about a bunch of Cali hippies beating me at anything

Obviously 1/2 of that was a joke, but if you dont think Cali has good roller hockey you are mistaken. Some of the best roller in the country takes place out there, doesnt hurt that they have 100's of outdoor sportcourt rinks.

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Spencer,
The adult are speaking here and we do not need your immature comments. It is people like you that got the board taken down before and I would appreciate it if you would stop before you ruin it for the rest of us.
Thank you,
GO BUCKS!

[aWAKEnD518]

Spencer,
The adult are speaking here and we do not need your immature comments. It is people like you that got the board taken down before and I would appreciate it if you would stop before you ruin it for the rest of us.
Thank you,
GO BUCKS!


wow:confused:

[spencerhs5]

Spencer,
The adult are speaking here and we do not need your immature comments. It is people like you that got the board taken down before and I would appreciate it if you would stop before you ruin it for the rest of us.
Thank you,
GO BUCKS!

Would I be right to assume that your comment was sarcastic? :confused:

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Obviously 1/2 of that was a joke, but if you dont think Cali has good roller hockey you are mistaken. Some of the best roller in the country takes place out there, doesnt hurt that they have 100's of outdoor sportcourt rinks.

None of that was a joke, I strongly feel that people from Cali are great at tree hugging.

I have been hearing rumors from people on the bracketing committee that while the Cali people act like they want to play OSU on this board that have been saying they do not want to play OSU in private? I will admit, I am not all that surprised

[KSiordia66]

they hate us for our freedom

[alex]

Message boards get taken down for this kind of stuff? It's just a little stupid fun.

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Message boards get taken down for this kind of stuff? It's just a little stupid fun.

You fail to grasp just how sensitive the WCRHL is. The amount of crying of the amount of bids they received (probably 2 bids too many) leads the board admins to feel bad when people who get to go to nationals ?attack? them.

Also, this board is meant for serious hockey discussion ONLY. There is no place for stupid fun on these boards. (actually I must admit the admins have been extremely cool about this thread, I guess they realize its all in good fun and no one is really having their feelings hurt):)

[RichardGraham]

Hi Alex,

Message boards get taken down for this kind of stuff? It's just a little stupid fun.

No, message boards don't get taken down for jokes and sarcasm and friendly jabs, like many of the posts on this thread. I don't have any problem with a little ribbing -- life's too important to take seriously.

The stuff that kills message boards are personal attacks, lies, libel, hatefulness, etc.

However, calling me a tree hugger just because I live in California really really hurts my feelings, and the tears I'm crying over it are spilling into my tofu as I drive in my Prius to the Crystal-and-Candles art gala that's raising money to help those less fortunate buy aromatherapy products. I'm incredibly hurt, and after I watch Oprah to see what Dr. Phil says about it, I'm going to go to a non-denominational church and let incense waft over me as I meditate these ugly slanders away.

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Hi Alex,

However, calling me a tree hugger just because I live in California really really hurts my feelings, and the tears I'm crying over it are spilling into my tofu as I drive in my Prius to the Crystal-and-Candles art gala that's raising money to help those less fortunate buy aromatherapy products. I'm incredibly hurt, and after I watch Oprah to see what Dr. Phil says about it, I'm going to go to a non-denominational church and let incense waft over me as I meditate these ugly slanders away.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA awesome

[KSiordia66]

Hi Alex,



No, message boards don't get taken down for jokes and sarcasm and friendly jabs, like many of the posts on this thread. I don't have any problem with a little ribbing -- life's too important to take seriously.

The stuff that kills message boards are personal attacks, lies, libel, hatefulness, etc.

However, calling me a tree hugger just because I live in California really really hurts my feelings, and the tears I'm crying over it are spilling into my tofu as I drive in my Prius to the Crystal-and-Candles art gala that's raising money to help those less fortunate buy aromatherapy products. I'm incredibly hurt, and after I watch Oprah to see what Dr. Phil says about it, I'm going to go to a non-denominational church and let incense waft over me as I meditate these ugly slanders away.


haha, what's funny is that my degree is in evironmental management, and I work in the Advancement Services division of CSUSB which raises money for various events on campus such as art gala's, and tofu rocks.

and i rule

[RichardGraham]

I work in the Advancement Services division of CSUSB which raises money for various events on campus such as art gala's, and tofu rocks.

If I move IHC to your campus, will you raise money for me?

[ChiMagic19]

I didn't read the whole thread but I played for Purdue when Purdue was actually good (99-02) and if I remember correctly, there were a lot more than 20 teams in D1 nationals. What the Heck has happened to D1 Roller Hockey? I remember at least like 32 teams. 8 pools of 4. Hmmmm....

[WeakSauce]

According to the WCRHL regional wrap-up @ wcrhl.com, UC Irvine will not be attending nationals...

"CSU San Bernardino will be attending Nationals as the sole Division I representative from the WCRHL."

http://www.wcrhl.com/article.php?article_id=51536

[KSiordia66]

crappy. I wanted to see charlie snipe someone else other than the WCRHL goalies

[JimmyLovesPaddy]

Is this true? Are the WCRHL teams already starting to quit since they know they have no chance? I think it is pretty lame for teams to drop out just since they know they can't compete at nationals. These are the games that matter most and anyone invited to play should come and play even if they know they do not stand a chance. I guess this is the type of fierce competition that we can expect from the WCRHL.

[PMoyer3]

so 5 mcrhl teams have bids now?

GO CSUSB...we have your back...we'll throw you a "soda" party when you get back from beating OSU and Purdue...at least!

[PMoyer3]

Is this true? Are the WCRHL teams already starting to quit since they know they have no chance? I think it is pretty lame for teams to drop out just since they know they can't compete at nationals. These are the games that matter most and anyone invited to play should come and play even if they know they do not stand a chance. I guess this is the type of fierce competition that we can expect from the WCRHL.

I think teams should let their regional rep know before hand if they don't want to go...that way deserving teams can get the chance. After that there should be some sort of penalty or fine.

At this point even if Cal Poly SLO were to get a bid I'm not sure we would even accept it because it doesn't give us enough time to plan the trip...not to mention the fact that we have discontinued practice.

Just kinda lame...i expected more out of you Gorda.

[KSiordia66]

We just want someone else to cheer for. well we got our cross town buds RCC. sweet

[KSiordia66]

What it comes down to is the West is severly underrepresented. Maybe the regular season records don't show that there are 3 dominate teams, 3 middle teams, and 8 rec level teams out there, like a lot of the other regions BECAUSE we had the highest level of competition and skill that the WCRHL has seen in the 5 years ive been in the league.

We always have a strong showing at nationals. I beleive in 2005 we had the WCRHL win division 2, division 3, and have two division 1 teams in the elite 8.


Sad
/shrug

[jsp047]

Its too bad that the west is being under represented....but as for uci....we thought we were going to nationals through regionals and the week following. If we didn't we would have said something. It wasn't until we were about to get plane tickets that 1 or 2 players decided they didn't want to make the trip out there. Seeing as we have only 6 skaters it put st. louis out of the picture. Going with 4 to nationals was a 1 time deal, we weren't gonna do it again. Gorda wanted to go more than anyone else since its his last year.

[Sinister Soup]

I think that EVERY single team should get into nationals, and EVERYONE should get A?s on all of their exams, and EVERYONE should be MILLIONAIRS, and EVERONE should drive vetts, and everyone should marry a SUPERMODLE, and EVERYONE should be nice to everybody else, and NEVER say anything mean or offensive. WWWWWEEEEEEE!!!!!!

[RustyPipes27]

EVERY student should have to pass a simple spelling quiz before they get accepted to college.

[DGlass]

You mean unless you want to go to PSU? Rumor is that the only entrance test for that school is the ability to worship JoePa.

[RustyPipes27]

It was worth every second of it.