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JohnHopkins
12-22-2000, 03:19 AM
Just thought I'd toss in my $.02 worth.

There has been some discussion recently about having a uniform set of rules for inline hockey, from the pros to college to high school and youth levels.

It ain't gonna happen anytime soon!

Take a look at inline hockey's big brother, ice hockey.

The NHL has its own set of playing rules. Well, so does the NCAA. And USA Hockey. And CHA. I'm sure there are differences in the rules of Major Junior Hockey's three leagues, the OHL, QMJHL and WHL. Not to mention the Canadian colleges.

For instance: Two-line passes are not allowed in the NHL and in Canada's youth leagues. However, USA Hockey allows for 2-line passes, so long as the pass isn't completed in the attacking zone. (It would be offside)

Here's my favorite in the USA Hockey rulebook: A player coming out of his penalty box (or his replacement, if the player goes directly to the players' bench) isn't allowed to play the puck out of his defending zone until it is played in the neutural zone by another player UNLESS he tags up at his defending team's blue line.

Let me use NHL teams as an example:

Scenario 1: The Kings, on the power play, have the puck in the Sabres' zone as the penalty to Buffalo's Rob Ray ends. Ray comes out of the penalty box and dashes towards the Sabres zone. Before he gets there, Rhett Warriner clears the puck to the neutural zone. Ray, who has not entered the Buffalo zone, plays the puck. The play is blown down by the officials, because he has failed to "tag up".

Scenario 2: First sentence is the same. Ray enters the Buffalo zone, steals the puck off of Lubomir Visnovsky's stick, and heads towards the LA net. This is a leagal play, because Ray has played the puck in his zone. The same would be true if he had entered his zone and received a pass from, say, Chris Gratton. He was IN HIS ZONE.

Sceneario 3 (and the last): The Kings, on the power play, have the puck in the Sabres' zone as the penalty to Buffalo's Rob Ray ends. Ray charges out of the penalty box. The Sabres intercept a pass and carry the puck into the neutural zone. A pass is sent to Ray, who never tagged at his blue line, and he goes into the LA zone and scores (a miracle in itself, but I digress). The goal counts, because the puck had been controlled by someone in the neutural zone. Ray doesn't have to tag up in this situation.

remember, this is USA Hockey rules, using NHL teams and players to make the scenario a little easier to understand.

WHY does USA Hockey have this rule in place? Beats me. The rule book doesn't explain this. My guess is becasue we don't use the 2-line pass rule; it prevents a player from jumping out of the sin bin, undetected by the other team's defense, and cheating to the opponent's blue line, looking for a cheap clearing pass.

One more (quick) example: An ordinary, run-of-the-mill high sticking penalty in the NHL carries a minor penalty. In USA Hockey, it carries a minor penalty as well. HOWEVER, New York State added an additional 10-minute misconduct to any minor high-sticking penalty several years ago. So you have to deal with regional rules as well.

If it's like this in the established game of ice hockey, I don't think we'll see consistent rules in roller hockey either.

Sincerely,

John Hopkins
Buffalo Wings

Sincerely,

John Hopkins
Buffalo Wings

Eccinline19
12-22-2000, 02:57 PM
You make some fine points, but unless you play pro hockey, the only rules and sanctioning I've ever played under is USA hockey. The leagues you bring up constitute .01% of all hockey players. I know that inline has NARCH, USA inline, AIRHS, TORHS, etc. The only ice certification is USA. Thats my point.

JohnHopkins
12-23-2000, 12:38 AM
I understand that. BUT...

The different rules in ice hockey makes things complicated from the top on down. I don't know how many times I've heard a parent in the stands yelling at the ref in a USA Hockey game about a call that only exists in the NHL.

This is the worst because in many cases, a child is more likely to listen to his/her parent than believe the ref actually made the right call. (God forbid...a ref RIGHT?!!!) :) This leads to problems farther down the road.

Also, in border towns such as Buffalo, it can be confusing when Canadian teams come in for tournaments, a point I illustrated in my previous post. Canada has its own governing body when it comes to amateur hockey.

Not to mention players who graduate from USA Hockey and advance to Major Junior A or the NCAA. They're also looking at making adjustments to playing under new rules.

That, in the end, affects a much larger portion of all ice hockey players, spectators, coaches, referees, etc.

Sincerely,

John Hopkins

Sincerely,

John Hopkins
Buffalo Wings

Eccinline19
12-28-2000, 07:05 PM
Down with this evil system that holds us down. We must fight for a new era of hockey my brothers. Richard, why don't you unify us oh great hockey God??

MBurke
12-31-2000, 03:06 PM
As another point, I'd like to add that my high school hockey league, New York's Catholic High School Athletic Association (NYCHSAA) played under Federation Rules, which have a couple of neat intracacies that are not consistent with Big Brother over at USA Hockey. Certainly not EVERYONE in the country plays under USA Hockey rules.

Mike Burke
Webmaster
Eastern Collegiate Roller Hockey Association
http://www.ecrha.net

Eccinline19
01-01-2001, 03:14 PM
Of course there are exceptions, I'm just talking for the majority of players

JohnHopkins
01-03-2001, 02:09 AM
Mike, what are the "Federation rules" that you talk about? are they for ice or roller hockey??

I know that in the Buffalo area, "Federation" regards full-fledged ice hockey teams (sponsored by the school; varsity status) Club teams seem to reign supreme here, although the full varsity teams are becoming more abundant.

Personally, I had never heard of club ice hockey until I moved to Buffalo 10 years ago. All ice hockey at the high school level in central new york was full-fledged varsity. (So perhaps this is the federation you talked about?)

perhaps there is a difference in the hockey we are talking about? I don't know of any high school roller hockey teams in western new york. (Or central NY for that matter)

What Catholic HS League are you talking about? (I'm presuming NYC). I went to a Catholic HS (In Central NY) and we were not part of any Catholic high school league.

Although, our basketball, football, volleyball, etc. teams were in class "D" (VERY small school) and never participated in any Catholic high school tournament.

Our basketball team always participated in the public high school championships every year.

No harm in this post. Just asking some curious questions.

Sincerely,

John Hopkins
Buffalo Wings

Sincerely,

John Hopkins
Buffalo Wings

MBurke
01-04-2001, 11:57 PM
John,

I'm from Long Island, where the majority of the CHSAA teams are located (some also in Westchester County and Manhattan). Nice to hear from one of the Wings. . . I used to play for the Snipers :)



Mike Burke
Webmaster
Eastern Collegiate Roller Hockey Association
http://www.ecrha.net