OCC What gives? [Archive] - Inline Hockey Central

Oldtimer33

03-12-2003, 01:32 PM

Well, first Rebecca, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anyone here. I'm just saying that if we were to spend all that money to go to Philly, could you please have all the really good teams there to play. The competition would be great for all the teams. Linderwood, Michigan, St.Charles,
RIT any of the teams the rank up there, 2 or 4 year schools.

2. Rebecca, how much hockey do you play? We are speaking from experience, we may not have played all the schools, but we have played against all their top players in NARCh and TPC. So we are speaking from experience. We just want what we earned, a chance to play in Div. I, we won the title in the Western Div., short-handed I might add, two of our players are on crutches. We played play-off games with 5 & 6 players.

3. You can belittle us as much as you want, if that's how you get your kicks, but we do know hockey and play hockey and you can't take that away from us.

4. Bonsey, if you'd like to bring on your Michigan Team or any other team you might like to put together, of course by CRHL rules, we'd be happy to play you. We enjoy playing the "Best of the Best".

5. And lastly, as much as you'd like to believe, and I'm sure you wouldn't believe some of the stories we've heard,
that we're not really college students, that we don't take our education seriously, (as if that makes any difference in being a good hockey player) look at most of the NCAA football teams, recruited players, that don't finish their education to go pro. And you want NCAA for Roller Hockey, do you think any of us would even still be on the teams? We are not a recruited team, only 5 of us play for the Predators, on 3 different levels. And, yes we do go to the same school. Have you asked the boys at Linderwood what competitive team they play for or RIT or St. Charles.

STLHockey

03-12-2003, 01:41 PM

Oldtimer,

St. Charles will be more than enough competition for OCC. There team is as solid as anyone I've seen this year, even the premier teams (of course with the exception of Lindenwood). Meramec from St. Louis always brings a talented team as does Valencia from Florida, as some of there players play for the Bauer Pythons.

Rule613a

03-12-2003, 02:29 PM

ECRHA Div. III Suffolk Cnty. Comm. College
1/2 Mission Empire Snipers
1/2 Tour Roller Dragons

Not putting OCC down one bit. I hear great things about you guys and have alot of respect for your team. Congads on winning DI regionals by the way. But by looking at the make up of SCCC, would you still not want to play DIII at nats. I think OCC/SCCC would be a great DIII champioship.

JMUDukes26

03-12-2003, 07:10 PM

I'm fairly sure you have to take 6 credits per skater to be eligible for Nationals. As for this babble about teams thinking they could run over the ECRHA teams, I think you should get behind the tournament Benny G. and I were talking about putting together. Then you can see where you really stack up. If its at the top, more power too ya, but don't be so sure you could run over the ECRHA. We have some excellent hockey players, and some very talented teams.

CheckMate

03-12-2003, 07:12 PM

Well since I cant find a list of teams on CRHL's website about who is playing at the championship, what is the truth about OCC? Is OCC going to defend themselves at a national tournement or will they continue to wine all year round how they are the best team on the earth but are too good to go to philly to prove it where it counts? Real nice to come on a public message board and bash people, girls no less. If it wasn't for CRHL, you wouldn't even be playing college roller hockey. OCC are a bunch of blowhards. CoachChris speaks of Lindenwood (errr, rather Linderwood(as the OCC player calls it) buying players? Seems to me the only teams truly able to buy players are the DIII teams who pay 1/10 of what the DI teams pay to go to school and have 1/2 the eligibility requirments. I know, I have played for a DIII team and a DI team at some point in the past 6 years. I also know that DI players who love the CRHL so much, pop up on DIII teams just by buying their credits. So OCC, you can trash talk everyone (which is the only thing the players on your team do) or you can put out and shut up and go beat the DIII teams fair and square in philly.

Rebecca

03-12-2003, 07:51 PM

Well cat's out of the bag. Then again, all anyone would have to do is research to see that a new DIII team is slaughtering teams with 10 point differential. The club also has a B team, and a C team. And I know how they recruit since I participate in their tryouts. The player's on the Suffolk team, although DIII, all have a minimum of 12 credits to add, not 6 as required by CRHL. And yes, the 'A' team has Snipers and TD's on it.

And also, I have played hockey for years. Certainly you don't think I ever would have come to love the game to do the work that I do, without ever having played it? But I'm old school, from the days when Melton was a referee and women were playing roller derby, not organized hockey. And unlike others who post here, I just about always have my facts straight before posting. I originally said it was a rumor that OCC wasn't going to Nats (since I don't know the facts), so can someone from OCC verify it so I can tell the other DIII teams that they will pay the CRHL fee and not get to play ALL the best teams in their division.

As far as OCC being able to play the top schools from DI (or DII), as an organizer of roller hockey, I won't even begin to hash that one out. The CRHL eligibility rules are what they are for a purpose.

And also, yes, I was trying to drum up some chat since the other 95% of CRHL has Championships coming up and this board has been all about the LU game for days. The Premier games are done, time to chat up NCT V.

Rebecca

Rebecca

Oldtimer33

03-12-2003, 09:52 PM

Rebecca,
OCC will not be attending Nationals. Thank you for your interest.

zackperumean

03-12-2003, 10:05 PM

do you even know us? Why are you even talking trash about us? you said that "all we do is talk" Last time I checked we did win this weekend. And none of us have even said *censored*. Oldtimer33 is my mom. (and I dont know why shes even talking but she is) as far as the players we"re not trying to start *censored* with anyone. We talked a lot this season but backed it up and proved our point. We didn't buy players either. We all live by eachother so going to the same college makes sense, wouldn't you think. Were not ducking anyone we just don't have the cash to fly to philly and not play all the best teams. And to be honest with you I don't consider michigan St. to be one of the best. If they can't even steal the puck against Lindenwood for a whole half, how could I?Edited by RichardGraham on 03/12/03 06:18 PM.

zackperumean

03-12-2003, 10:10 PM

no offense bonesy but your not even good enough to play senior platinum. How do you expect to play on an all-star team against us. If you really want to play us why don't you have your senior gold team step up to platinum in florida.

RichardGraham

03-12-2003, 10:19 PM

Hi,

As I am aware that people can come to this message board and register under any name they like, there's no guarantee that you are Zack Perumean. If you are, please watch your language. If you're not, you'll be banned from this site mighty quickly.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

zackperumean

03-12-2003, 10:37 PM

i really am zack perumean if you need proof I met you in the parking lot before the all star game you were wearing you jersey and told us you ran this site.as far as the language I'll watch it.

RichardGraham

03-12-2003, 10:40 PM

Hi Zack,

I appreciate that. Thanks for the heads up. Just realize that this board has to be PG-rated, as there are hockey players from all ages, creeds, and colors that use IHC's Message Boards, and we've all got to try and get along together.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

kuzak

03-13-2003, 12:46 AM

bonsey don't open your mouth anymore, because this is my final post. Rich Graham is banning me from the message board for being an idiot. serious at nationals i'm going to lose.Edited by RichardGraham on 03/12/03 10:28 PM.

Colby39

03-13-2003, 02:13 AM

You guys can say whatever you want about DIII schools or guys not taking enough classes or whatever, but the bare essentials are still the same. I've only had to suffer the pain of playing OCC once, and they beat us 6-3. The only reason they didn't destroy us is because they were all plastered, and they still skated circles around us, uncluding Dave Perumean, who everybody makes fun of out here for being the fat guy. Let me tell you, he can school anybody, including guys that don't underestimate his ability. They also handled everybody at Regionals with 1 or 2 subs the entire time. That sounds like the skill I've heard everybody talking about Lindenwood having. I play for the UCSB second team, albeit because I hate our A captain, but in between games, our captain and other would watch OCC to get ideas of how to win, and we ran our league 5-0 at Regionals. I personally watched them to jack a few new moves off them, including the "fat guy," who ain't so fat when he's burning you and making you look foolish. They are a bunch of cocky #$%#'s, and they all have quick tempers, but they are the real deal. You should feel lucky they aren't coming to NCT V

Lemieux fan 4 life

fryer98

03-13-2003, 09:48 AM

it's a shame that OCC won't be in FILTH-adelphia, because i think i can speak for most of the people on the east coast by saying i wanted to them back the talk. not saying they couldn't, i just wanted to see it first hand. guess that's not going to happen.

Oldtimer33

03-13-2003, 10:23 AM

Colby,
Thanks for the kind words, but I think you are referring to Zack Perumean not Dave.

MSU16

03-13-2003, 11:24 AM

I dunno though, zack does suck pretty bad and doesnt have a whole lot of moves...he just sits that big ass in front of the net.....but im not going to lie to u it is a sexy ass.....haha good luck skater boi!

zackperumean

03-13-2003, 01:02 PM

are you really talking? You guys couldn't even get the puck for a whole half in the championship game.

Colby39

03-13-2003, 04:51 PM

I guess my credibility is shot... But anyway, why did your team all of the sudden go with Mission D-1 skates and M-1 sticks? Did you guys all switch teams or just feel like spending a lot of money...?

Lemieux fan 4 life

Oldtimer33

03-13-2003, 07:11 PM

We had Mission gear on because we chose to leave Tour and go with Mission. Our wheel sponsor is still Hyper. Both Joe and Gus are taking care of us.

MSU16

03-14-2003, 11:30 AM

Oh My God, i lost in the finals of College nationalship...its the end of the world. There is all these people talkin $&@# on here and probably about 3 were at the game, so no i really dont care nor did i try to get the puck from behind the net. All i do know is that the stars are gonna spank the predators at the finals this yr....and thats the bottom line fatty!

bonesy21

03-14-2003, 03:14 PM

so zack,

are you saying that every team in the league isnt good then, cuz you just said that you dont consider MSU to be apart of the "best of the best." in that case, since we were 3-2 with them until 2 minutes left in the game, that means we suck? cuz if im correct, i think LU has beaten everyteam by atleast 10 goals if not more. i think its pretty strange considering that all four teams at last years NCT were comprised of 3 midwest region teams and lindenwood? what does that say? sorry, but thats just outta curiousity....

bonesy

bonesy21

03-14-2003, 03:26 PM

dont worry,

well be there in 04' but when you have 3 players that have never even played competetive roller hockey let alone any hockey at all, its pretty fair to say that weve come along way since starting to play as a team. the chicago magic which was started by myself and one of my best buddies had the idea that we wanted to play at a nationally competetive level, and as long as were having fun, havin a few cold ones, and playing hockey, thats all were happy with. the winning is an added bonus, and witha few key players that well be adding, i think wed do pretty well in senior platinum, just give us time. even though the predators may in fact beat us, well still give you a struggle. our goalie is the clear reason why we won in minnesota and with his experience in the college ice hockey, hes gonna be a tough one to beat, to bad he wasnt in vegas.....anyways we just wanna have fun and be around and have a "name" for ourselves when were playing 30 and over....

bonesy21

03-14-2003, 03:31 PM

kuzak,

can anyone tell me what that post meant, cuz it made absolutely no sense...please enlighten me....

bonesy
and why must i not open my mouth? is it something i said?

bonesy21

03-14-2003, 03:33 PM

and they cant afford to go to nationals???

RichardGraham

03-14-2003, 06:33 PM

Hi Bonesy,

Basically, I had to edited out profanity and a personal attack on you, then I banned the nut from the Message Board. Oh well.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

zackperumean

03-14-2003, 07:47 PM

just make sure you keep their watter bottles cold.

Oldtimer33

03-15-2003, 02:30 AM

Sorry SCCC, but we just got a copy of the automatic bids and invitations to nationals and oops! it seems we didn't get one. Guess there's no more need to speculate if we can afford to go, or not.

Rebecca

03-15-2003, 12:17 PM

You did have one as did Valencia, so get your story straight. Before we released the list, your regional director said you were out (as was Valencia) so the format changed and bids were given to teams in other divisions who wanted to compete and have a chance at getting a CRHL Provided Value. Plus, you have also openly posted here that you were out before we even posted the list (whoever is speaking for you). To blame it on anything else is a bunch of cr@p. You should see the insightful rioting going on in the internal ECRHA message Board about the message you have insinuated and what is being perceived about your team, as well as how CRHL allowed this to happen.

It's unfortunate that you feel that CRHL wronged you at some point, and it's unfortunate that you have retaliated by not going to nationals (or used that as your excuse). And it's also unfortunate that CRHL doesn't have a regulation about mandating Divisional/Regional winners to the NCT.

I had even gone as far as to argue with CRHL to reduce the substantially reduce the $700 fee for DIII (I had my reasons) if that would help you financially. I know it will help Suffolk and NOVA (who will now play each other again as they did 5 times already this season).

If your reasons for not attending were SOLEY based on finances, that is one story. But anything else just illustrates what you really think of your team and CRHL.

Matters nothing now, you are out by your own doing.

Rebecca

Oldtimer33

03-15-2003, 02:38 PM

Rebecca, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to shoot the messenger. But, first my reply was to SCCC, who seemed to really want to play against our team. Secondly, your reply makes me think that for some reason, only ECRHA and the CRHL are allowed to voice or have an opinion. I have no idea what is being said on your local board, I don't have access and as for the CRHL, you always say they have their reasons, but you don't seem to think we'd understand them (must be our "remedial" education), or you'd take the time to explain them or even debate them. Since there seem to be a lot of teams who just want to go back to the way CRHL was started and all comers could earn their way to the top by playing the best teams. That's all we're asking for, never did we say we think we are the best team, only that we wanted to have the chance to play the best teams. Even now, the ranks seems to be supporting another tournament, that would allow any team that wants, to try for the title, a chance to play against all comers.

Maybe it's a cultural thing, we, on the west coast, may be a little more laid back and open to the idea of the rights of the people and freedom of speech. Equal rights for everyone and every team. Equal pay for equal work, no glass ceiling for a DIII school. No one has to ride in the back of the bus, because of how their school is perceived. That's all I'm trying to say. We're not trying to put your organization down, only trying to get you to open your minds to another idea. A very simple idea, I agree, but it's what we would like. It is, after all, only club hockey and our team would like the chance to play the best of the best.

Rebecca

03-16-2003, 06:43 PM

The way to change CRHL is to take posts like these to your league Director and start there. If you do that, ask Brennan what role I play in CRHL becasue if I were to openly explain things here to you on a public message board, people who try to read between the lines too much, would not see a very pretty picture and my post wold very easily become skewed. To put it simply, I am very pro CRHL, although I do not necessarily always agree with the way the CRHL administration functions and it is not my responsibility to explain their actions, which could make many people angry (it has nothing to do with anyone not understanding what I w/could say).

One thing though that I do support is the CRHL divisions. They were made and exist for a very logical and simple reason. When you speak to Brennan, ask him to explain what CRHL ETS is.

Public posts here don't make a huge overall impact and are not even seen by most. We are a tiny little piece of the CRHL who comes here. The majority of people in the (hockey) world still are not fortunate eneough to understand computers or even know that Message Boards like this even exist. Posting here only exposes things to the minority who come here.

ECRHA is very expressive, and also very large so we even appear more expressive then other regions. All regions are able to freely express what they think-directly to CRHL and also through the Regional Directors whom they elect every year.

So if you speak to Brennan, you might be able to get a few questions answered.

As the spearhead of ECRHA, and as a MO Board Member of CRHL, I cannot very easily post things here without the concern of the consequences of what I write.

Rebecca

MDE3

03-16-2003, 07:07 PM

Just curious Rebecca - are you a political science major or simply working for the circus as a high wire performer? :))

RichardGraham

03-16-2003, 07:56 PM

Hi Rebecca,

Sometimes, less explanation is better than more. Just tell people to go to the CRHL boards instead of saying:

>>Public posts here don't make a huge overall impact and are not even seen by most... Posting here only exposes things to the minority who come here.<<

LOL.

Actually, I think what you're trying to say with the above is that posts on this message board don't make a huge impact on the leadership of the CRHL and ECRHA, and that the posts are not seen by most collegiate players, and that posting here only exposes things to the minority of collegiate players who visit the message board.

IHC's stats on visitors to the site averages close to 20,000 distinct Internet addresses each and every month -- I think it's important that everyone understands that not every person that reads the message boards registers for it.

Too much explanation? /wtimages/icons/smile.gif

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

Rebecca

03-16-2003, 08:17 PM

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Sometimes, less explanation is better than more. Just tell people to go to the CRHL boards....

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Sheesh, put me on the spot eh? This MB was the best thing for CRHL and I would hope that you have been thanked (other then from ECRHA). Sadly, the CRHL MB hasn't seen a new post in days (don't ask me why, casue niether has ECRHA's public MB).

Sorry Graham, ya, you knew what I meant about not making a huge impact. (Although I believe that 20,000 is still a minority of inline people, although a very impressive number and hopefully at the top or on the top of other sites).

Rebecca

Rebecca

03-16-2003, 08:19 PM

hmmm are you saying that CRHL is a circus??

HAHAHAHAHA. OK, nuff outa me

Rebecca

JMUDukes26

03-16-2003, 08:43 PM

Circus for sure... trust me.

Gary

RichardGraham

03-16-2003, 10:12 PM

Hi Rebecca,

>>Sheesh, put me on the spot eh? This MB was the best thing for CRHL and I would hope that you have been thanked (other then from ECRHA). Sadly, the CRHL MB hasn't seen a new post in days (don't ask me why, casue niether has ECRHA's public MB).<<

Didn't mean to put you on the spot. Just that sometimes, the more you say on a message board, the more you can get yourself into trouble. For example...

>>Sorry Graham, ya, you knew what I meant about not making a huge impact. (Although I believe that 20,000 is still a minority of inline people, although a very impressive number and hopefully at the top or on the top of other sites).<<

That is what is known in the trades as a "backhanded compliment," and it has nothing to do with your hockey shot. Ouch.

PLEASE. InLine Hockey News had a circulation of about 5,000 six years ago. Roller Hockey Magazine's numbers were not much better. Neither exist anymore. Certainly, there are a LOT more inline hockey players than there are visitors to IHC, but I'll bet IHC reaches more of them than any three other inline hockey sites combined.

And I'm talking "unique visitors," not the absolutely meaningless stat of "hits" that some sites trumpet. If you have 100 pieces of art on your Home Page, one visit equals 101 hits. Pretty much a B.S. stat if you ask me. Billions and billions served? Not here. But I'm mighty proud of the 20,000 visitors IHC averages every month.

Whew. Sorry to vent. But you got my goat. (Thanks for ECRHA's advertising support, by the way!)

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

MDE3

03-17-2003, 12:28 AM

Just playing the straight man :))

Edited by MDE3 on 03/16/03 11:32 PM.

bway40

03-17-2003, 12:45 AM

ECRHA is alright, I have no idea how other leagues look but it was definitely a few steps behind a TORHS or NARCh event. Though the "star" players were talented, only a handful of teams really had any depth.

My perception also had it that a lot of the people involved in the guidance of the league were basically players who wanted to actually do that paper work (though most had little or no travel hockey experience). Just the facts.

JMUDukes26

03-17-2003, 09:13 AM

ECRHA is run in part by college students, but these students have extensive experience in all areas of hockey. For the most part, the leaders of the ECRHA had a passion for hockey, and wanted to protect their interests in the league by helping to maintain the league, and prevent the President and Commissioner from getting burned out. The difference is, ECRHA cuts costs by not paying its Directors and real salaries. Most of the Director volunteer, or are paid far below the minimum wage line. Its difficult to run a league at the level NARCh does, when you have a real job.

I would have to say your "perception" is wrong however. Speaking for myself, I have played 10 years of travel ice hockey, served as an assistant coach on 4 teams, played 4 years of HS Varsity, and I have been involved in the ECRHA for 2 years. I've also played NARCh, and participated in the International Power Play tournament (ice). So I've been around the block a few times.

As for the rest of the Directors, most of them have been involved in some form of hockey nearly all their lives. I do realize that Kris Foley does skew the perception of the ECRHA Directors as his method for holding a hockey stick is by far the most bizarre thing I have ever seen. Maybe someone could get Richard a picture to post on the site... you would all be amazed

Gary

bway40

03-17-2003, 11:50 AM

We obviously had different experiences. There are few teams that can even have the talent to compete in the NARCh Junior division yet alone Adult. The overwhelming trend is the worst player(s) on the team respresenting their club at these meetings because it is the only thing that can give them an edge over some other player on the "B" team.

Cost cutting??? hahaha, if ECRHA is cost-cutting then why do they have an ad on here and bother to go to Vegas to attend that Hockey Expo? What target audience have they reached and how has it made them any money whatsoever? Do they go to the Hockey Expo to get more companies to take advantage of them and the players within (ie USA Hockey Inline)? How have any players benefitted from being demanded to join USA Hockey Inline if they already had a health insurance plan that covers everything? Couldn't a contact with USA Hockey be done over the phone not wasting money to fly people around. ECRHA didn't even have enough money to have two all-star games. Sure sounds like an incredibly smart league to me.

That league is a mess, the most strange thing is that the league president sends numerous empty threated messages about teams wrong doings.

Drexel63

03-17-2003, 12:04 PM

Congratulations, you took a skewed, 4 month view of a league and fabricated complete thoughts and conclusions from it...

No assumptions before I go on here.. your experience is limited to HALF of a season in the ECRHA with a brand spanking new d3 team, correct?

Bill Sherwood

Oldtimer33

03-17-2003, 12:50 PM

In all fairness to Bway40, if all that happened in 4 months, what can you do in 12?

MBurke

03-17-2003, 12:51 PM

Wow.

I've kept out of this thread, partly due to the fact that I've been battling a 103° fever, partly to watch where it went.

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We obviously had different experiences. There are few teams that can even have the talent to compete in the NARCh Junior division yet alone Adult.

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You are right. There are few teams that have the talent to compete in NARCh Juniors. Although the level of competition is improving every year, that's an apples to oranges comparison. No college team can pick the 12 best players within hours of their home rink (sometimes further) and put them on their team.

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The overwhelming trend is the worst player(s) on the team respresenting their club at these meetings because it is the only thing that can give them an edge over some other player on the "B" team.

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Well, I don't know where that came from or what relevance it has. If you look at our reps, most of them are actually first-line players on the "A" team, club presidents, and the most involved, "with it" people on their team. Regardless, who says you have to be a great hockey player to get involved with your team?

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Cost cutting??? hahaha, if ECRHA is cost-cutting then why do they have an ad on here and bother to go to Vegas to attend that Hockey Expo? What target audience have they reached and how has it made them any money whatsoever? Do they go to the Hockey Expo to get more companies to take advantage of them and the players within (ie USA Hockey Inline)? How have any players benefitted from being demanded to join USA Hockey Inline if they already had a health insurance plan that covers everything? Couldn't a contact with USA Hockey be done over the phone not wasting money to fly people around. ECRHA didn't even have enough money to have two all-star games. Sure sounds like an incredibly smart league to me.

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IHC - Most popular Inline Hockey web site on the internet - that's why we have an ad here.

Hockey Expo - You're right, I don't see the point of attending an event with all of the big names in the hockey industry along with about two hundred vendors.

You imply that NARCh is the greatest roller hockey on earth, so does it make sense that we'd go out to Vegas during WinterNationals (the Expo runs in Vegas right after WinterNats) to try to reach what obviously is our target audience? Maybe it hasn't resulted in tens of thousands of dollars of support (yet), but ask just about any hockey organization out there and they know not only who we are but what we're about.

USA Hockey InLine - I could name about 5 players who got hurt this year that would have been SOL if not for USAHIL insurance. The way it works is that you insure everyone in the league or no one. Some people are lucky enough to have excellent medical coverage; good for them - not everyone is so blessed. USAHIL flew in someone to help with registration on their own dime, not ours, so I don't see how that's a waste of money.

We had enough money to have two all-star games. However, the fact that three teams dropped out of the league mid-season without paying made money a little tighter than it would have been otherwise. We could have had two, but it was decided it was better to have a TRUE all-star game rather than two games with a bunch of players who really didn't deserve the honor. If that's dumb, I plead guilty.

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That league is a mess, the most strange thing is that the league president sends numerous empty threated messages about teams wrong doings.

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If you're going to throw insults out there with no foundation, at least make them comprehensible.

I don't know if it has anything to do with having been kicked off of your team at Northern Virginia Community College (as I've been told, at least), but you make a lot of assumptions and outright false statements about us. Why?

Mike Burke
Commissioner
Eastern Collegiate Roller Hockey Association
http://www.ecrha.net

JMUDukes26

03-17-2003, 12:57 PM

What I really want to know is: why didn't this come up earlier in the year? If OCC had decided they wanted to play D1 Earlier in the year, CRHL might have been able to amend the Competitive Guidelines to accomodate. However, someone at OCC wasn't thinking straight. Did they think the criteria that classifies DI and DII schools was just for grins? It clearly states 4 year College or University as a requirement for playing DI and DII (see page 8). So what's the confusion? National Championships determine who is the best team in the Nation within the criteria set forth by CRHL. If we had no defined criteria, what's to stop a school from stacking a team with Tour Mudcats? I mean, if we disregarded all of CRHLs criteria, anyone could play, there would be no credit requirement.

I think what OCC needs to do is not look for an exception, but to encourage CRHL to change the rule regulating who can play in which division, if they fell this will be beneficial to the sport. Boycotting NTC V will only put Suffolk in a better position to take a run at Nationals, and should they win, they WILL be a true champion. A champion shows up when things get tough, and defeats adversity, proving their worth.

Or you could get all the other DIII teams in your Member Organization to fold, and you would be placed in DI by default as you are automatically placed in DI if there are no other teams in your division within your Member Organization (see page 8 of the Competitive Guidelines).

Gary

Drexel63

03-17-2003, 01:02 PM

Almost everything bway40 alluded to did not happen, and the things that were true statements, happened after he left the league...

The fact of the matter is... the teams and players who come to the ECRHA looking for something more, and are willing to work a little for it (hold up their end of very few, fair bargains) get a whole lot more than should be expected...

Bill Sherwood

bway40

03-17-2003, 01:07 PM

I was never "kicked" off the team. Please look at the message posted about me being "kicked" off my team on the ECRHA message board. Two days previously I wrote a message informing everyone that I was not going to play the second semester and wished everyone good luck with that. So if resigning is being kicked off, then I'm guilty.

What connections do you get from going to the Hockey Expo??? Many hockey companies have come up saying that they don't want to get involved in CRHL.

Do you really want me go through players past and present who were in presidents of their team who had no business being there?

TRUE ALL-STAR GAME??? When players like Bert Archer are your starting goalies for an all star game you either have to be stupid or just blind. That says enough.

MBurke

03-17-2003, 01:07 PM

I mistakenly posted about three posts up (replied directly to Mr. Way's post rather than at the bottom). Reading it may give you some insight into his claims.

If anyone thinks we're a "joke" of a league, I cordially invite you to come out to the ECRHA Championships this weekend at the Sportsplex in Feasterville, PA. Let me know if you're coming, and I'll take you out to lunch and answer any questions you may have. (On my own dime, not the league's)

Mike Burke
Commissioner
Eastern Collegiate Roller Hockey Association
http://www.ecrha.net

Drexel63

03-17-2003, 01:08 PM

To further Dukie's point...

no credit requirement = NOT COLLEGE HOCKEY...

NARCh and TORHS already seem to have those markets covered pretty well... How about if you don't like the fact that this is a bit more specific, you just continue playing there...

This league was created for a reason, and no matter how much it sucks for OCC that they are so much better than the rest of their region, who else really cares?

And, to stop before you start... Just because Winternats was held by NARCh, that doesn't separate it from College Hockey... (Just to stop the OCC debate in December from happening again)...

Bill Sherwood

bway40

03-17-2003, 01:09 PM

ECRHA is a joke.

Drexel63

03-17-2003, 01:12 PM

wow... that's all... just wow...

Bill Sherwood

MBurke

03-17-2003, 01:17 PM

My apologies for the misinformation about your leaving the team - had you checked our message board in the last three months, you would have noticed it got hacked, so I don't have anything on there much older than about six weeks.

We got a lot of connections from the Hockey Expo. AAU, USAHIL, Eagle, LeGoalie :) just to name a few. CRHL and ECRHA are two completely separate entities. We are a member organization, but we aren't CRHL, nor are they ECRHA.

Sure - I'd really like to know what presidents of teams had no business being there. Again, your argument that you have to be a good player to be a rep is ludicrous, but entertain me.

Here we go with the personal attacks and outright lies again. Our players vote on the all-stars. I think most of them were very fair. Bert wasn't a starting goaltender.

Again, why the hate?

Mike Burke
Commissioner
Eastern Collegiate Roller Hockey Association
http://www.ecrha.net

MBurke

03-17-2003, 01:19 PM

Well, there's a mature reply.

Mike Burke
Commissioner
Eastern Collegiate Roller Hockey Association
http://www.ecrha.net

NVCC28

03-17-2003, 01:26 PM

In all fairness to the ECRHA and its staff...They run an exceptional league in which BWAY40 was not able to completely benefit from this due to MY decision to release him from NVCC's team due to rants and raves that were similar to the ones he has posted on this message board. His accusations are strictly that...ACCUSATIONS. He now plays at local pickup sessions since his MLRH team disbanded. (He was the goalie for the Capitol Crunch in which he posted an amazing 16+ GAA). It was because of his "finger pointing" comments that I (and the NVCC team) elected to remove him as President of the hockey club as well as from the team all together. If BWAY40 had such "great visions" (i.e. cost cutting measures, better rink rates, etc.) that he deemed would help make the ECRHA become a "much better" league, he should have gone through the proper steps and become a Member of the Board. Or maybe its that his accusations had no truth to them at all so becoming a board member would serve no real purpose! Regardless, ECRHA in no way, shape, or form is categorized as was expressed by BWAY40 and I'm sure that many more can attest to that. (Namely, league members/participants that have participted for more than 1/3 of a season).

It's just too bad that OCC cant come and see first hand what the ECRHA has to offer. You know, with all the time you spend posting on this site, maybe you should do something constructive like raising some money to get your team out here to nationals!

Louis Wesley
President
NVCC Hockey Club

NVCC28

03-17-2003, 01:29 PM

My fault. I also replied to OldTimers post rather than posting at the bottom of this subject. Please see above for my thoughts.

Louis Wesley
President
NVCC Hockey Club

MDE3

03-17-2003, 01:30 PM

Maybe you would like to develop an outline of just how everything should work - in order to back up your claims of deficiencies - be sure to include all details of credit eligibility, game scheduling, practice requirements, play-offs, exhibition game schedules, all- star games, a referee clinic, and oh yes - an ammended rule book to take care of "delays".

As you must have a grasp of what would be fair, given your jocular impressions of the current organization - it seems like a perfect opportunity - looking forward to your proposal posted here.

bway40

03-17-2003, 01:31 PM

Burke's comment:
"Sure - I'd really like to know what presidents of teams had no business being there. Again, your argument that you have to be a good player to be a rep is ludicrous, but entertain me."

My point is that only players who have accomplished more than winning the Adult "C" house league will most likely understand the game better. Thus, able to use knowledge gained from such experiences of how hockey should be run.

There are several other players just like him. ECRHA's all-star voting, which players received votes from the management of each team basically illustrates my point. The fact that the two top scorers in D1 didn't make the all star game says enough.

I agree to disagree at this point. My view is obviously a lot different than yours and I don't think you or I will change each other's perspective.

MDE3

03-17-2003, 01:32 PM

great post !!!!

Drexel63

03-17-2003, 01:35 PM

That's just the point. You see, not once have you said something with any backing, or support. An intelligent argument needs proof, son... not rib shots with a shield in front of your face... own up and make a difference...

Bill Sherwood

MBurke

03-17-2003, 01:36 PM

Fair enough. I do disagree, as I tend to think team reps don't need as much understanding of hockey as they do strong organizational and leadership skills.

To explain why many big-name players didn't make the all-star game, several were coming from five-ten hours away and felt that length of trip for one game in potentially bad weather (it was supposed to snow that weekend) wasn't worth the risk. In what I think was a show of good sportsmanship, rather than chance not showing up, they gave up their spots to others.

Mike Burke
Commissioner
Eastern Collegiate Roller Hockey Association
http://www.ecrha.net

bway40

03-17-2003, 01:48 PM

Since you have decided to try to embarrass me on here. Then perhaps ECRHA would like to know that NVCC's goalie, Ryan Leach, has played on the Mason team since Mason's first contact with ECRHA. Then used several fake names from season to season to remain eligible. You may want to check into that. Louis here also made the all-star game while on GMU while he was not even in school.

Louis, I had a GA of less than 14 but I don't see how that relates to anything as you only have 2 points the entire year on the Voltage. And yes, I do have a team for NARCh and TORHS this summer. Do you?

The evidence that I resigned was emailed to every NVCC team member and posted on the ECRHA message board where Rebecca said that she didn't think I wanted to play from the first place. Then, the following day I pointed out things ECRHA could work on and then Billy Harrington posted that I was kicked off.

MBurke

03-17-2003, 01:50 PM

GMU hasn't played with us since the 1999-2000 season, and Ryan hasn't been on any other team. I know the kid, I'd recognize him.

I also don't believe Louis even made an all-star team while at Mason, but I'll check into that.

Mike Burke
Commissioner
Eastern Collegiate Roller Hockey Association
http://www.ecrha.net

JMUDukes26

03-17-2003, 01:51 PM

You remember when we were all 5 years old, and getting the last word in was all it took to "win" an argument? Is BWay's post along those lines? I tend to believe it is. Little has changed from his days of ranting on the ECRHA board, making unfounded claims, and representing his off center views of the league as the feelings of his team. Personally, I don't think anyone who thinks the ECRHA is a joke should play in it.

I think its testimony to the success of our league that no less than 4 ECRHA Directors are represented in this thread. Not bad for a bunch of people who aren't really involved in inline hockey.

Just another case of the B and M syndrome plaguing CRHL (B and M being [a word that Rhymes with witching] and moaning.) Its nice to see how many people will criticize the many people who volunteer their time to help run an emerging league, yet do so little to aid in its success.

Gary

JMUDukes26

03-17-2003, 01:54 PM

Isn't this why GMU was suspended from the league? What does this say? That they managed to try and burn ECRHA and got caught, and have since been unable to return to the league? What was the point there? I think I may have missed it?

Gary

Rebecca

03-17-2003, 01:54 PM

Also: Some people made the All Star team because they are ALL STARs by the standard of those who voted for them, not necessarily the 'high scorers' or MVG's. They are committed, talanted, smart, and act as leaders on many of their teams.

Those who were indeed high scores of who we felt were 'overlooked' in the All Star picks were asked to play in the Staff Game. 4 respectfully declined since they were playing in as many as 6 league games that weekend that were important for play-off spots. Chris Harrel (VA Tech) and Gene Gsell (Towson) did join us and the staff game was a rip! Sorry anyone missed it-along with the Scholarships that were announced during the half time and the Community Service Awards.

Bert Archer, who is incredibly dedicated to ECRHA deserved to be there. Incidentally, and proof of his committment is that the All Star Game was # 102 for Bert of Collegiate Roller Hockey. That's some incredible accomplishment and says a lot about the pioneers of this sport. Congrats Bert! Seeing Bert break 100 brought tears to the eyes of those who are dedicated to the dream we pursue. I wish ECRHA had 10 Bert Archers as opposed to "know-it alls" who come and go after 6 games.

Mr. Way, you are so supportive of InLine Hockey, it amazes me. Your team, NOVA, should be so proud of their accomplishments and how far they have come. Too bad you couldn't be there for them. Your players have helped clean locker rooms, helped instruct free clinics for children and have helped contribute to the scholarship fund (via late fees). Your 2 coaches (Sandy and Paul) have contributed to many different facets of roller hockey as well, outside of ECRHA and bend over backwards to commit to the team. It is your loss that you "left the team" of whatever occured.

Rebecca

bway40

03-17-2003, 01:56 PM

The point is that he has played for a while even when he was ineligible. The last time GMU played ECRHA was 2000-2001. I wasn't in VA when they got busted. See if Ryan Lynch was leading the goalie statistics in previous years.

JMUDukes26

03-17-2003, 01:57 PM

On the Bert Archer note, I wish there were more Paul Reid's around to help develop the sport. My understanding is that he was instrumental in promoting the sport both in Northern VA, and in Florida. He is a class act, and a true role model for anyone who plans to continue their involvment in Roller Hockey beyond athletics. I'm happy to see him involved in the ECRHA, and I wish he would come coach at JMU!

Gary

JMUDukes26

03-17-2003, 01:59 PM

Right... and guys play NCAA basketball even when they were bribed to go to certain schools, had their phone and hotel bills paid by coaches, and were failing out of school. So again I ask, what is the point? If the most profitable NCAA sport is laced in corruption, is it that extreme to believe it could happen in a sport run by volunteers?

Gary

bway40

03-17-2003, 02:02 PM

What happens in NVCC goes to the finals and wins with ineligible players? How will that make CRHL look?

JMUDukes26

03-17-2003, 02:04 PM

Does NVCC have ineligible players? Was that the point? I may have missed that in the thread, and if I did, I beg your pardon.

Gary

Rebecca

03-17-2003, 02:11 PM

Your GMU info is no revalation. Mason was caught and removed from the league 3 years ago already and steps were taken afterwards to ensure it wouldn't happen again.

Your info about Leach is old news too. The first event he played in this season was with permission and was an ECRHA non-league game at an ECRHA Recess Event in an extra game that NOVA paid an affiliate fee to play in. Did you think you were dropping the bomb on us? Try again.

Paul and I have been working to restore GMU's club also since the incident you mention occured 3 seasons ago already. How's that for supporting collegiate clubs?

I think this thread is done.

I think

Rebecca

Rebecca

03-17-2003, 02:21 PM

it matters none. Mr. Way is already 20 steps behind, since this was addressed weeks ago in the league already. Illegal players plaugue MOST leagues, MLRH NARCh Torhs USAHIL Topcat alike and other CRHL regions too. ECRHA is no different. With time we verify every single player and eventaully people are caught (ie GMU). The regions would never allow someone to get away with this and I am quite confident in the job we do.

Guys; time to end it. It's a dead thread and most have lost interest already. Mr. Way, take care in your hockey career. You have insulted me in the past and I am sure you will again in the future. I couldn't care less.

I think Louis was only trying to set the facts straight. Guys like you are a dime a dozen and always seem to end up squawking on public message boards.

Cheers.

Rebecca

NVCC28

03-17-2003, 02:46 PM

Bryan,
Not trying to embarass you...i think your a good kid you just have a tendency to say things before you think(maybe thats just my opinion though). I'm not gonna sit here and argue over stats, or who got kicked off or who chose to leave NVCC or who's playing for who over the summer. Point im trying to make is that the ECRHA has a solid base and i enjoy playing hockey in this league as do many other particpants. If the problems that you discussed were such earth shaking disputes, dont you think the ECRHA would have folded by now? Does it have its problems? Yes. Does the MLRH have its problems? Yes. Does any house league have its problems? Yes. That comes with the territory and some can only be dealt with once their crossed. I think your idea(s) of the "problems" that plague the ECRHA are far fetched and not supported. Thats all. Anyways, i think ive spent enough time arguing over this. You've got my cell phone number if you'd like to discuss this further. Again, im not on here to embarass you (We go way back when to the ol' days of travel hockey)...i just support the ECRHA and what they stand for.

Louis Wesley
President
NVCC Hockey Club

RichardGraham

03-17-2003, 03:36 PM

Hi Folks,

I think it's time to "lock" this thread. There has been some great discussion, and some slings and arrows that haven't really furthered the discussion, in my opinion. However, I do want to state for the record that without organizations like the ECRHA that assist IHC with advertising dollars, IHC wouldn't exist, and people like Bway would have nowhere to complain -- at least nowhere that there were more than a few people to listen.

I think that the ECRHA is a fantastic organization, and believe me, I've dealt with scores of organizations over the past few years. I think the league is on the right track, and I have great respect for its accomplishments.

I believe its leadership went to the Let's Play Hockey Expo to further the growth of the ECRHA and collegiate inline hockey. If you don't get in the face of the companies that have the dollars to support you, they won't think about you, believe me.

I appreciate all the posters who have come on site to clear up misconceptions posted by others. I think it's fairly clear who's on board to further the sport, and... those who aren't.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central