stop crying

[coctailFruit]

Everyone in this board needs to realize that it's not Lindenwood's fault that the game was uncompetitive. If the spartans wanted a game then they should have pursued the puck. Not just sit back and wine. Why do you people think that Lindenwood should play down to the level of Michigan St. What does that do for the sport. It's The weaker teams responsibility to put out the extra effort to compete. Not the other way around. If you guys expext to build an elite league then the teams have to be just that. Not just decent teams who consider themselves worthy and are obviously not judging by this weekends results. Look I have nothing against less talented players but when the step up to play narch d1 level players then they better be ready. Watch a narch d1 or pro game. Puck control is the way to win. It's the other teams resonsibilty to counter.

[mackertm]

Of course it's up to both teams to compete. But NARCh has a rule that you can't just sit behind the net when you're winning. Otherwise, seeing as puck control is the key to victory, I'd imagine the first team to score in a NARCh Pro game would just sit back there, too. Why actually take chances and play the game? A few of us at MSU play with the Detroit Mission Stars at NARCh, so we know about puck control and how important it is to winning the game. But under NARCh rules you can't just stall forever.

I'm not blaming LU's strategy. Given the rules, it was a legitimate way to play the game and almost certainly win the national title. But that's why I also think the CRHL will have to address this with a rule change in the offseason.

Mike Mackert
Michigan State University

[coctailFruit]

quit blaming the rules, you guys just weren't good enough to counter the strategy. If you had good enough players you could force the puck out and make a game out of it. Why is it so hard to understand?

[CoachChrisG]

If Lindenwood wasn't afraid of their opposition or weren't so arrogant they would have played a game that would appeal to not only the PAYING fans but the NCAA as well. If you honestly believe that you are good enough for the NCAA like you people have stated in the past you would play like it.

Face it, you ran away and your title means squat. The D1 National tournament will determine the real National Champion.

C.C.

[fryer98]

so the rest of the premier league doesnt mean "squat" becuase of what you think of lindenwood??

[CoachChrisG]

Then answer me this:

Is how Lindenwood played this weekend a reflection of how the rest of the premier league plays?

If this is indeed the case then yes your league means nothing. Maybe if you compete in your regionals you would earn my respect. Not one team other then Lindenwood, (the best team money can buy,) has proven that they are head and shoulders above the better teams in CRHL so why is there a premier league with zero representation?

C.C.

[paddymac]

The premier league was not formed to have a league full of elite players like narch pro. It was formed for the teams in the CRHL that ran themselves professionally and wanted to make themselves more marketable. Most of the teams in the Premier program have a history of being good teams, but that's because they've had their *censored* together as far as organization, a system, and coaches.

[rollerfan]

Hey, coach Chris G., or whatever the heck you call yourself. I went back and read almost all the posts you have made on this board. Does anything NOT piss you off? You're negative about everything. The D-1 winner will be the real champ? Guess you are the coach of a D-1 team, huh? Knock it off. Quit being a pain in the rear. Lindenwood is a great team and if you can't see that, then maybe you should start making critical posts on the water polo board. If they weren't afraid of the Tour Mudcats, then I KNOW they're not afraid of your punky little team. Get real.

[CoachChrisG]

Lindenwood ran away from MSU, it's as simple as that. They are a disgrace to the sport and their championship means nothing. I am simply telling it like it is.

C.C.

P.S. Lobbing insults and running away seems to be a trend with the LU crowd. Why not simply address the important issues that I have raised? That way you won't look as chicken as LU did against MSU.
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[rollerfan]

No one on this board has lobbed more insults than you. If you bother to read the posts from many MSU players that have been posted in the last two days, you'll see that LU ran from no one. Most of the MSU posts have been very classy. Yours aren't. You can demean the championship all you want, but the basic fact is - your opinion is WORTHLESS. I must stop arguing with you - I really think you would whine to a picture of an ear just to have somebody to bitch to.

[CoachChrisG]

I have raised very valid concerns. That is not whining. I commend MSU for their actions but their past actions dictate that they deserved what they got this year as well. I have done nothing but praise ECRHA for their hard work and seeing LU make a mockery of this and CRHL make a mockery of it by not even reconizing their work they are doing a disservice to the game.

LU's title means nothing because they played by a different set of rules then the entire country and rubbed it in everyone's face. That is a lack of class and their fans are acting just as disgracefully on this board.

C.C.

[JMUDukes26]

This has degenerated into the worst topic of conversation ever. It's over, I can almost guarantee LU will never do it again (not that they are likely to have the opportunity) and MSU will always feel like they got the shaft a bit, but all this worthless banter is kind of bringing down the board. There are like 9 threads on this topic, and its just turing into animosity between people in our hockey community. Can't we focus on something else, like predictions for D-1 Nationals? Who will make it? Who will win?

[fryer98]

to answer that: it is NOT a reflection of how the rest of the premier league plays. that is, if you are talking about the standing behind the net.
im not sure how you can go and say our league means nothing based on what you have heard on this message board, since only one game has been talked about. the game earlier sunday morning had to have been one of the most entertaining games that i have been involved in, even though my team lost. we could have done a lot of things, and made the game boring, but we continued to play the game as we always do. not stalling may have cost us the game, but we continued to play hockey the way it should be played.
we are not saying that we are head and shoulders above everyone else in the CRHL. i would love to have had more teams at nationals than the 5 we played against all year. it would have been great to see what teams others regions have this year.
the premier league was created as a step for the CRHL to make. even though this season, it seemed that we were stepped on. (esp the players that were in their last season.) only time will tell if this was good for the league. if it all goes as they say, it should be.

but please, dont put down the rest of the teams in the league because you dont like the actions of 1 of the 6 of us.

Tim Fryer
retired from Purdue #98

[bonesy21]

timmy,

i would first like to say congratulations on a season well played. i have always had fun, and lord knows smiles when playing against the likes of you and the entire purdue team. to me, our game (pu vs msu) was the true championship game. so what if lindenwood gets a so called "TITLE" or a trophy, it means squat, and if they would like to take that so called "TITLE" and trophy home so the president of the LU hockey team can add it to his collection of BS on the wall, so be it, but they bought it. they are by far in a league of their own, and after the rules change next year, we will actually see how well they perform. on the contrary, i again would like to say thanks for the memories this year and the sportsmanship you guys portrayed in the semi-final game. to me thats what roller hockey is about, and for that, i am truly grateful. if anyone is going to buy tapes of any games, they should be purchasing tapes of the PU vs MSU game, where there was excitement, dedication, teamwork, and heart, and everything in that game, was definitely in the spirit of the game, but again, thanks for the most memorable season and good luck to you in the future as you start your career. additionally, hopefully we will see you sometime in the summer, and get well buddy, i know those wrist injuries can be painful; dante had one for a while, after slapping my mother around......

best of luck

David Canon
"bonesy"
#66 michigan state university

[bonesy21]

i would love to add one little thing,

firstly,
please do not get me wrong at all, but Lindenwood is by far the best roller hockey team that i have ever seen in college hockey, maybe besides the old spartans from like the 98-99 season. respectfully so, they desearved to win the NCT; however, the one thing i would like to say, is that the team that they beat a few months back, the tour mudcats, did NOT have all their players there. they were missing some of their quality players as i was informed the following few days, but i could be wrong. yes i know they beat a "pro" team, and they desearve a ton of credit for those wins and im sure they shocked many spectaturs and the mudcats themselves, but its not fair to say you beat the mudcats when not all of them were there. its like a team saying that because half the team was missing when they played lindenwood and koz was again playing net, would it be fair to say you beat LU? i wouldnt consider saying that, but i would say maybe we beat them with half the team missing, and yes we woulda gotten pummeled if everyone was in fact there?
lastly, it would piss me off to have seen a game such as this. by far lindenwood is and was the better team, and coulda taken it to MSU but they didnt. they have the fire power of 10 teams, and instead sat behind the net, but regaurdless of the matter, you cant come out and say that the other 5 teams suck? cuz that is not true at all. we go to SCHOOL first and then are here to play hockey, whereas LU is at school to play hockey and then school. for cryin out loud, they go to school like 3 days sometimes 4 days a week due to their sport, is that fair? but CCC, get a grip, both premier and competetive will have one national champion, and both squads deserve the credit.

bones

[bonesy21]

lol...that was a goodone...did the picture by any chance have a hearing aid in it? cuz that way, if the noise got to whiny, the picture could take it out and bust out the hand and mouth picture so the ear could say, CC, talk to the hand.......

[LUdad]

Just some more spew from Coach "cry baby" ChrisG.

[LUdad]

And even more mindless spew from Coach "cry baby" ChrisG.
If the board listens to this clown about anything they would lose all credibility!!!

[Lindenwoodhockey]

Did anyone see LU vs MSU on Sat ? 6-6 with 4 minutes togo. 10-6 final. GREAT GAME. We had a team meeting Sun morning and decided to stay with the same system. One major problem MSU decided not to forecheck.Coach Schaub has tought a very disciplined system all year that is obviously very effective.Coach Trembley(coach of the year) should have taught his players how to play something different than man to man defensively .Rather than trying to counter he chose to laugh and encourage his players to sing songs and do the wave.(REAL CLASSY) Iguess my thoughts here are teach your players and if you don't want to chase because your afraid you'll lose be productive and at least go down trying. I hope when I have children they wiil never play on a team where the coach just says well we cant win so lets just stand here.Our game plan was the same as it was on Sat. As far as our bought team. When was the last time you went up to one of the top players in the country and told him about your program and made him feel important about being a part of it in the future. That's why we have the top players . Dave Kozlowski is arguably the top player in the country and he is from Detroit so how did he end up here? Money! Nice try,he pays more to go here than MU or MSU. He wanted to be a part of a great program. Thats the bottom line .If other teams want to be succesful put in the time building up your program not wasting your time tearing down ours.As far as coach G as in Gutless, Coach is still waiting by the phone.636-949-4945 Why is in club ice hockey the only school that has schoolsupport like us (Robert Morris) is only ranked 23 maybe the other teams are a little more commited and better coached. Just a crazy thought.

[fryer98]

you are talking about robert morris in chicago, right?? (FYI: there is a robert morris outside pittsburgh)

as for the rest of what you said, i wont comment.

[CoachChrisG]

The only reason the club teams are more powerful in ice hockey is because A) the facilities are there and B) the guys who got cut from the ice teams are immediately snapped up by the club teams. Traditional powerhouses like Michigan, Maine, Cornell and the likes have too many players and not enough spots so the club teams get a lot of great players. Although few of the club teams in ice hockey get money from the schools they do get use of their facilities which no college roller hockey team has. (None of the college teams have their own rinks.)

It's a lot easier to buy a champion when there is no competition from the NCAA for players.

C.C.

[bonesy21]

LUdaddy,

dont you have anything better to do than mummble stupidity on the message board. so what if not everones perfect, who cares, but youre the one making the message board worse off by replying to something you think isnt all there... my goodness, let it go. i played for MSU this season, and if youve happpend to look back at other posts. everyone from my team has wished the LU the best of luck and all the upmost respect for their winnings. its just that some people disagree with the way the game was played, and if we woulda had to do things over, maybe we would have, but the fact of the matter still remains: LU is by far the best team in the country and repectfully so, nothing will change that, and they should be happy with what theyve accomplished. but end of story, can we please drop it and move on??????? ohh and for the record, our coach had nothing to do with the excitement on our bench as it was i who started the "row row row your boat" song....when theres nothing to do on the bench and no reason for player changes, it really didnt matter who was on the floor and who wasnt? so dont go and say anything about our coach, cuz he bar far, is the best coach that i have truly ever seen. hes more knowlegable, and wiser than any of the three kings. his strategy almost worked, and was a dagger in the light of LU's philosophy, so for that i can relate to his strategies.

Bonesy
Michigan State Univesity

[SirCoach2U]

I REALLY hate to drudge up an old subject...but I came across this post doing a search and thought I should comment.

First let me say this...my comments have nothing to do with the individual programs involved with the Y2003 Championship game. My comments are only directed towards the SITUATION and the impact it had on the sport of college roller hockey.

Issues I have with what happened:
1) As someone mentioned, Narch has a rule that requires the puck to be advanced. I think this is a good idea (at all levels of play). I don't even want to suggest how this rule would be worded, or enforced, but it is a good idea.
2) Someone else mentioned that without a rule like this, two teams in a tournament who both need a tie to advance to the next round, could simply stand at center court and watch the clock count down to a 0-0 tie. Although this is an extreme example of stalling the game...so is the MSU vs. LU game. (Again, not placing blame on EITHER team)
3) Allowing something like this to happen...what does this do for the sport. I don't hear anyone asking for the game to be re-played, etc. I only hear people suggesting (and opposing) in a constructive manner future rule modifications to prevent this from happening again. I applaud all the great suggestions.

Let me tell you how this game impacted me. At the time I was the head coach of a local (Detroit area) high school varsity team. In an attempt to promote the sport of COLLEGE roller hockey and show my players that they could continue to play the sport they love in college, I brought several of our players to the game. I was a former CRHL player and was proud of the sport that I had enjoyed while in college. What I thought would be a great matchup between two great teams...turned out to be a mockery of the sport. Many of the fans in stands felt the same way. And I am not just talking about the fans of either particular team. I am talking about people who came to the rink that day for other events and just "popped in" to watch "college roller hockey". I am also talking about local people who came to the rink that day to watch what would probably be their first college roller hockey game. And after the game played out this way...probably their last game.

Whether you want to blame MSU for not attacking/chasing...or blame LU for not advancing the puck. That your up to you. Again, I am not trying to re-kindle the arguement. I am simply trying to present this issue in a different light. It is nearly two years later and this game still stands out in my head. I don't know if I was more ashamed of the sport I was so proud of...or let down because the high school kids I brought to the game left the rink that day with a horrible impression of college roller hockey. I was trying to "show off" the league and showcase two great programs that one day maybe they could be a part of. However, I had to spend the rest of our season defending the college league and telling the kids "it isn't normally like that".

In the end...Thank God for video archieves. I showed them video of a few other great games...so maybe those players will end playing for one of your teams in the future.

Again, I want to apologize for bringing up an old subject. I just wanted to point out there the impact of something like this effects more than just the two teams involved and the kids that play for each team.