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03-03-2003, 08:51 AM
I need help!
I consider myself a good player, soft hands, scoring touch, good leader. But I need to lose my gut. Anyone have any great suggestions to help me out? I don't really have time to play for numerous teams, which I know would be great exercise, and good practice. I don't have time as a luxury now. Any specific exercises and/or weight lifting techniques? Let me know, I'm gonna go finish this pizza and beer......
03-03-2003, 09:12 AM
Betterhockey.com has everything you need.. Its a hockey training company with all the goods in it.. Check it out
03-03-2003, 06:22 PM
you need to quit drinking. think about all of the carbs you are consuming and consuming late at night. not only are you adding a whole sh*t load of carbs by drinking you are also inhibiting your body's ability to metabalize fat for energy.
....but that isn't what you want to hear is it??
i was in the same boat about a year ago, except i don't have soft hands and a good scoring touch. alot of it has to do with what you eat. no in-between meal stops at McD's and don't eat after 6 p.m. put the fork down after one portion, and eat healthy. protein, salads are where it's at. the drinking is not too much of an issue as long as you are not doing it in excess. trust me i still drink a couple times a week and i still lost 65 lbs in the last year. i also took hydroxycut for the 2 months. the stuff definitely helped. be careful if you do take it, and don't take it if you have any health problems. do ab work everyday, or at least 5 times a week. that's what i have done and it seems to be working.
03-04-2003, 03:21 PM
Don't take any of those diet pills, they don't work, except the dangerous ones, ie Ephedra
03-04-2003, 09:01 PM
I agree, its a lot better to be fat than to be dead, a lot people die using stuff like ephedra, we just dont hear about it unless they are in the pros. All I can recommend is the classic excercise more and eat better, do it slowly because if you start out on a highend diet you probably will be more likely to quit it.
03-04-2003, 09:33 PM
I've put on a spare tire around my middle, but only to give myself a handicap as I'm miles better than anyone else out there. I also refuse to practice stickhandling, so that opponents get a chance once in a while to steal the puck from me. When I pass, I make sure to hack at the puck like a golf ball, so that it goes nowhere near a teammate who might accidentally get the puck and put it in the opponent's net. I also take lots of tripping and slashing penalties on purpose so my team will be shorthanded, thus giving our opponent a fair chance to win.
Oh, and the only true statement in that whole diatribe above is that I've got a gut. (All my penalties are accidental.) /wtimages/icons/laugh.gif
Inline Hockey Central
03-04-2003, 09:35 PM
Well at least, you told a little bit of the truth. lol
03-05-2003, 08:30 AM
Thanks Richard, I think I actually feel a little better about it. I appreciate all the suggestions everyone.
The diet starts..........tomorrow!
03-05-2003, 03:58 PM
Good luck,as long as you stick to it you'll be fine :-)
03-05-2003, 06:30 PM
I for one don't believe Ephedra is dangerous
03-05-2003, 06:57 PM
Geez... I wish I could put ON the pounds.. I'm like 5'9'' 160lbs wet.. I would love to get up to like 190 lbs.. I think it would make me more effective in MLRH games and I wouldnt rely so much on my speed.. wanna gimme some of that weight?? lol..
03-05-2003, 07:01 PM
How do you explain the deaths then?
03-05-2003, 10:04 PM
Saw it on sportscenter, Torii Hunter said "I don't think it should be banned. How bad can it be if they sell it at GNC? Until you have to get it with a perscription it should be legal." Also I read that Ephedra is only dangerous when you are going through "extrenous" workouts.
Now extrenous can differ and thats why it's dangerous, someone out of shape who uses it is more likely to have problems with than someone in good physical condition, without these warning people will assume it's okay for everyone so they take it to get back in shape bvut then they go work out and have problems, heart attack, stroke, death.
It should be a prescription drug used to treat severe obesity IMO.
03-05-2003, 11:16 PM
I saw Torii Hunter saw that on SC too, but its probably because of the situation baseball is in now, and he didnt want to make the MLB look bad. But I agree it defiently should be a prescription drug, used only by the ones who TRULY need it.
03-05-2003, 11:43 PM
"How do you explain the deaths then?"
People die every day, some of natural causes and some not so natural. If I died tomorrow and had ephedra in my system then they would blame it on that. Next thing you know the headlines read "... another athelete dies of the dangerous over the counter drug EPHEDRA." Ok, so I'm dead now and I have the ephedra in my system. Does this mean that the herbal drug killed me???? not likely, that is just not very scientific.
Now let us assume for the sake of arguement that the ephedra did kill the baseball player... how much of it did he take, did he have any preexisting conditions that would contribute to his death? My answer would be probably yes to either one or both of those. So the answer to your question.. "How do you explain the deaths then?" ...my reply is "human error"
03-05-2003, 11:47 PM
If anyone has any real scientific data that supports the "ephedra is a killer" debate I would love to read it.
so far all of the statistics I have read are faulted.
03-06-2003, 06:58 AM
Obviously this is a drug most athletes think will help them, but in does mess with your heart. Steroids might be ok in moderaton, but that doesnt make it ok for it to be on the market like you suggest. If someone needed a drug like that and got a reasonable amount from a DOCTOR, I imagine most of the deaths would stop. My question toyou is why do you think it should be on the market, so easily available to anyone?
03-06-2003, 12:56 PM
Hey man I used to be in the same boat. Grew a little bit, but as of this pasty summer I was 6'-0", 165lbs... just lanky as hell. Easiest way to put on the lbs. is work out regularily and make sure you're getting lots of protein. If you're solely interested in putting on weight, 100% Protein whey will help you bulk up if you use it regularily and eat healthy.... I jumped up 20lbs over the summer to 185, and now after a long period of laziness, I'm starting to work out again..... 195 now, shooting for 205-210, and not plannong on losing an ounce of speed whatsoever ;)
Should help in MLRH :)
Hate to say this but it's not uncommon for athletes to refer to ephradrine based supplements as "legal speed".
That being the case - look at the history of misuse of diet pills over the years as a "recreational pastime" - and the dangers. Whenever you artificially enhance your blood flow and increase the oxygen to your system as a result - to increase your capabilities - there are certainly some short term dangers involved for the individual who may have an undetected cardiovascular weakness. But even more important - if you really want to look at the dangers - would be the long term dangers. Back in the day when it was a very common practice for pro football players to use one form or other of "speed" to enhance their game - the average lifespan of these athletes was typically 10 to 30 years shorter than individuals who did not. It is not the drug that causes this wear and tear, but the accelerated strain placed on the bodies organs which creates the problem (kind of like engine life when you throw a nitrous kit on your car). So whether the drug is "legal", "scientifically tested" or not is not at issue. It is the effects.
These health questions do not even touch the moral issues (yes moral issues still exist for some of us) of artificially enhanced performance. Make no mistake the primary purpose for using these supplements is NOT to lose weight!!!
Let's not go through any pretense here - what you are doing when using these "energy supplements" for short term performance gains is cheating - cheating your body of it's natural lifespan, and purchasing an unfair advantage over your fellow competitors who choose not to use them - umm what would we call that???
03-06-2003, 05:52 PM
Millions of people use ephedra based products every day and few if any (I would like to see proof) have adverse reactions to the "drug". I would like to know how many people die each day from alcohol and tobacco (both legal drugs)and they don't have the benefits that ephedra has.
where do we draw the line??? I think everyone needs to understand the difference between "use" and "abuse" anything that you put into your body can become harmful if abused.
missionhockey21 you said in your post: "Steroids might be ok in moderaton, but that doesnt make it ok for it to be on the market like you suggest"
when did I "suggest" that anabolic steroids should be on the market??
03-06-2003, 06:05 PM
OK, Mission and Seyone,
Time to take this thread to Pharmaceuticals.com.
Inline Hockey Central
03-06-2003, 06:06 PM
That came out wrong, I was just meaning sure Ephdra can be used ok in moderation but a. I dont belive in performance enhancing drugs and b. these drugs promise big things, weight loss strenght whatever, and of course people want to speed the results up and end up dying. There are warnings for Tobacco, I know there are warnings for Ephdra but I dont see tobacco having an ad of a ripped guy on the cover which could influence a kid,wanting to lose weight. Plus Ephdra is legal for kids to buy at GNC or wherever. I mean dont you at least think it could should be prescribed, I do think it could help people but it is too easily available. No more over the counter stuff. And again I wasn't trying to say you suggested that, it just came out wrong.
03-06-2003, 06:07 PM
I am posted out on this topic, its just a differece of opinions.
03-06-2003, 06:15 PM
With all due respect, what is the problem with some good debate? It may be indirect but it does have much to do with our sport.
03-06-2003, 10:22 PM
Thanks, nice to know it CAN be done!! Im not worried about losing speed, pavel bure is my height and weighs like 190.. he's no turtle when it comes to speed.
03-07-2003, 12:06 AM
Lots of guys are close to 200 lb and can skate like crazy in the NHL.
03-07-2003, 04:48 AM
Yup.. I totally agree
03-13-2003, 04:28 PM
Speaking of that diet are we still on for pizza and beer tonight for the Flyers game.
03-13-2003, 04:35 PM
Oh and by the way, I think it's that special protein diet that has contributed to your LARGENESS!!! just kidding, but still laughing.
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