Rankings

[Bthumme]

Stumbled across these.

http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2011&a=6&v=4001 (d1)
http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2011&a=6&v=4002 (d2)
http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2011&a=6&v=4003 (d3)
http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2011&a=6&v=4004 (JCC)

B isn't updated. They're solely based on performance.

[Sbu31]

wish that didn't include preseason

[Mustangs]

This is interesting, but I don't think it's too accurate. While I do believe the WCRHL is very strong, I don't think we should 5 teams in the top 10.

[hockeykid12]

this is like 90% ok, colorado state is way to high for their region.

[MasonHockey]

Cool thanks! It definetely has issues.. It has George Mason (D1) losing to Georgia College (D2) which is interesting considering we never played one another...

[hockeyguy18]

I appreciate the rankings and i think they are interesting but I take issue with the 5 wcrhl teams in the top 10, 4 of which in the top 5? sorry that to me is way wrong. LBS at #1 wen their barley over 500, Arizona State below 500, Florid Gold Coast, Metro State Denver etc etc...Bring all those guys down below the top 10. Bring West Chester, Michigan State, Stony Brook, Bethal and Neumann each up a couple spots and maybe we got a little bit more accurate ranking. I dont like how the WCRHL gets such blind respect, they are not the only conference out there.

[PMoyer3]

I appreciate the rankings and i think they are interesting but I take issue with the 5 wcrhl teams in the top 10, 4 of which in the top 5? sorry that to me is way wrong. LBS at #1 wen their barley over 500, Arizona State below 500, Florid Gold Coast, Metro State Denver etc etc...Bring all those guys down below the top 10. Bring West Chester, Michigan State, Stony Brook, Bethal and Neumann each up a couple spots and maybe we got a little bit more accurate ranking. I dont like how the WCRHL gets such blind respect, they are not the only conference out there.

The WCRHL getting ANY respect is a relatively new phenomenon. If it wasn't for their outstanding performance at nationals last year it would be the same old "ECRHL this" and "MCRHL that". Each division rises and falls year to year though. I do think that the WCRHL has the most talent and parity ever, compared to previous years. It is truly a division where regionals could be won by any of the top 5. It is very believable that they would all be in the top 10 nationally. However, my to 10 would look more like this:
1. Lindenwood (until they are beaten they are #1)
2. Michigan State (Closest game to Lindenwood)
3. Cal Poly SLO (I'm a little biased but they looked very strong in Santa Barbara last tournament)
4. UNLV
5. UCSB
6. West Chester
7. Long Beach
8. Stony Brook
9. Ohio State (Beat Michigan State)
10. At this point it's a toss up between ASU, Neuman, and Bethel.

This isn't based any math. Just my opinion of where the teams currently stand. Rankings in the NCRHA are always up to heavy interpretation as there is not very much inter-regional play but they are always fun!

[hockeykid12]

Neumann where SBU is, WCU is top 3 no question.

[GMU18]

Personally I feel the ECRHA is overrated. There teams pretty much all finished at the bottom of there respected pools at nationals last year. http://ncrha.org/schedule.php?&event_id=1287&playoff_id=291&area=pools. Hopefully less teams from the ECRHA will attend this year.

[hockeykid12]

East gets atleast 5 bids this year... Lucky for us wcu and Neumann are going to chantily and can show george mason where they stand in the nation, itll be evident it isn't close to where the east is

[GSJaguars11]

Personally I feel the ECRHA is overrated. There teams pretty much all finished at the bottom of there respected pools at nationals last year. http://ncrha.org/schedule.php?&event_id=1287&playoff_id=291&area=pools. Hopefully less teams from the ECRHA will attend this year.

we didnt do well in pool play but we finished in the final 4, pool play at nationals isnt really that important when it comes to seeding

[hockeyguy18]

Personally I feel the ECRHA is overrated. There teams pretty much all finished at the bottom of there respected pools at nationals last year. http://ncrha.org/schedule.php?&event_id=1287&playoff_id=291&area=pools. Hopefully less teams from the ECRHA will attend this year.

Is george mason university really talking smack? im sorry to say but u guys didnt even make nationals last yr and this yr ur 2nd to last in a weak conference so it doesnt look like ur making it this yr either....the east gets a lot of teams bc its the largest most competitive conference in the NCRHA hands down. All the east teams will prove that this weekend at the inter-regionals w/ Neumann, West Chester and Stony Brook all playing teams outside there region.

[GMU18]

I wasn't talking smack, I would just adding my input that the ECRHA in my opinion got to many bids. I think that West Chester, Neumann and maybe two other teams are deserving. Not the seven which were selected last year. Not that it matters, George Mason did get a bid last year. But our team was in the red due to poor budgeting so we were unable to attend.

[MasonHockey]

Is george mason university really talking smack? im sorry to say but u guys didnt even make nationals last yr and this yr ur 2nd to last in a weak conference so it doesnt look like ur making it this yr either....the east gets a lot of teams bc its the largest most competitive conference in the NCRHA hands down. All the east teams will prove that this weekend at the inter-regionals w/ Neumann, West Chester and Stony Brook all playing teams outside there region.

hockeyguy18 please get your facts right before just mindlessly typing based on your thoughtless opinions and zero facts.

First, George Mason was selected for Nationals as the SECRHL Regional Finalist last year and chose not to attend due to injuries, and knowing we were mostly sophomores. We lost the SECRHL Finals to UCF in 2 Double Elimination games both times in Overtime http://ncrha.org/article.php?article_id=54730

Second, George Mason tied Rowan and beat ECRHA teams Neumann, Temple, and West Pointand played 2 competitive 1 goal loss games to West Chester & Penn State with the same team as this year. http://secrhl.org/team.php?team_id=54313&area=schedule last year we beat Tampa who made it to the final 8 and tied Rowan who made it to the Final 4, with the same team as this year.

Third, the history of the ECRHA is to always put down the SECRHL (and other leagues) with thoughtless arrogance rather than fact. Last year we had to hear how we (George Mason) weren't deserving of Natty's on this board because of losses to "D2" teams (ECU and Bethel). This year most people have those same Bethel and ECU teams in the top 10- 15 in D1 in the nation this year. You point to one great team in your league like WCU and because they are clearly one of the top teams in the US, assume that everyone in their league is better then everyone in the country. To follow your logic than every team in D1 Great plains must be AMAZING because their top team Lindenwood is so good. While this might be true, it probably isn't the case, yet the ECRHA uses this "relationship logic" as fact year after year. GMU18's point about pools is valid in that they are "OVERRATED", not to say they aren't good teams. Pool play as you know is done by RATINGS... Thus the bad records show they were almost all OVERRATED in comparison to teams ranked above them. Even if you want to discount pool play. ECRHA D1 teams Penn State, Buffalo, Brockport, and Rutgers beat 0 teams outside of the ECRHA at Natty's.

I respect the ECRHA teams as good teams, and believe programs like WCU, Neumann, Rowan and others are some of the best in the country historically. However, I believe using the "relationship logic" your players in your league simply do not respect the level of play in the other leagues as much as you should. I think their are lots of good ECRHA teams and I agree that ECRHA D1 will probably get 5 bids to Nattys this year, but I think you simply don't have a clue as to the talent that resides outside of the ECRHA, specifically in the SECRHL. While ECRHA Top three teams like WCU, Stony Brook, and Neumann probably will do well outside their region, it doesn't mean the 4th and 5th best ECRHA teams are much better than what can be found in other "smaller" leagues. Just because your the largest league with a top team or three doesn't mean your 4th and 5th teams are better than what can be found in the smaller just as competitive leagues. The winning D2 team for Nationals last year was a SECRHL team (Miami) which didn't even get by FGCU, Bethel, and ECU in our "small" competitive SECRHL Regionals last year. They would have been on the outside looking in (maybe deservingly so) because of their poor performance AND the overrating of other teams in other conferences. Don't look now but the ECRHA teams didn't do as well as you probably think they did at D2 either http://ncrha.org/schedule.php?&event_id=1287&playoff_id=292&area=pools
So feel free to keep your opinion on how great ALL the ECRHA teams are because you guys play (in your words) the "largest most competitive conference in the NCRHA" because of how good a team like WCU is, but THE FACTS simply don't backup your faulty logic.

[hockeykid12]

So GMU has a total of 8 points thus far this year, that would put them behind 12 teams in the ECRHA, granted the ECRHA has more games played thus far so the numbers are a bit off, but lets take who has 8 points in 14 games, do you feel you could beat them? they have beaten Neumann in a huge comeback and lost to WCU 2-1. Or how bout Uconn? they are one of the bottom teams in the East, do you feel you could beat them? I personally don't think you would, the east is just very strong, having a 500 record in the East is equivalent to like a 700 winning % in the south, so to just be 500% down south means the odds are not in your favor against east teams.

[ECUHockey]

Wow, the arrogance from the East is incredible. Looks like you all are hiding behind WCU and Neumann, because that's all I keep hearing team wise from people on here who are talking about the ECRHA. And honestly, does it really even matter right now? Let your play determine it at nationals where it matters the most.

[hockeyguy18]

Wow, the arrogance from the East is incredible. Looks like you all are hiding behind WCU and Neumann, because that's all I keep hearing team wise from people on here who are talking about the ECRHA. And honestly, does it really even matter right now? Let your play determine it at nationals where it matters the most.

I wouldnt say arrogance...im from the east i give respect where its due. Everyone is going to the think there conference is the best and the most competitive. Only thing i said was that I dont think the west should have 4 teams in the top 5. I think the top three teams in the west and the top 3 teams in the east would all be very competitive with eachother. Also Michigan St and Lindenwood has to be mentioned there as well

[William Bourque]

I think it is important to ask what teams people out there are representing prior to throwing all teams from the ECRHA under the bus.

I am fairly certain that if there was someone from Temple, West Point, Penn State, Brockport or Connecticut on here, they would state the opinion being represented here is not of their own.

[hockeyguy18]

No team is as good as they seem at their best and no team is as bad as they seem at their worst. This league is all over the place in the sense that ANY team can beat ANY team on any given day. FACT. I know I seem to favor the east (bc im from the east) but I really do have a lot of respect for other regions, I just also have a lot of pride for mine. GL to everyone this weekend

[hockeykid12]

I agree with hockeyguy18.
I play for one of the better B teams in the east and I don't know about other regions but how are the rinks? I just watched most anticipated ecrha game Neumann v wcu and if I was ecrha I be embarrassed by the selection of the rink and the water that will b a night long issue...turned what should have been the best game of the year into a joke which I think both teams can agree, along with officiating. I'm glad for the team that won as I was rooting for them but I wanted to see a sick game and got delays and sketchy officiating.. Ruined the game of the year.

[ilovecollege]

stony brook went 0-4 in illinois. hmm.

[Ducks9758]

hockeykid12, i think that you are a Neumann supporter in some way. Not a B player at all, hence thats all you talk about is Neumann and never about your B team. Now for the rink situation i think that every team had to deal with the same problem regardless. Neumann is not a match at all against your so called "B team's" D1 team and you know that. Lets be real. The officiating was what Neumann made it to be just because they knew that they were down and out. Regardless, of the water i remember seeing it being 3 shots for the 3 goals ? That game was going to be a blowout no matter if they were playing on ice. Not to mention WCU was missing like 3 or 4 of there players.

[hockeyguy18]

stony brook went 0-4 in illinois. hmm.

I think everyone in the nation is surprised about that. I wonder what happened because to me that makes no sense. and Neumann got crushed by WCU
10-3 and Neumann also tied Rowan. So after this weekend it looks like my argument kind of took a big hit. Atleast West Chester is still staying strong

[MasonHockey]

I think everyone in the nation is surprised about that. I wonder what happened because to me that makes no sense. and Neumann got crushed by WCU
10-3 and Neumann also tied Rowan. So after this weekend it looks like my argument kind of took a big hit. Atleast West Chester is still staying strong

Rhode Island didn't fare so well in Charlotte, NC either. I know they lost 7-3 vs. GMU and were down 9-1 vs. NC State at one point in the second period. I didn't catch the other scores. We appreciate them coming down 13 hours by car to play the SECRHL teams. Should be a good inter-regional in Chantilly, VA. I expect West Chester to run the table but the other games should be very competitive.

[hockeykid12]

hockeykid12, i think that you are a Neumann supporter in some way. Not a B player at all, hence thats all you talk about is Neumann and never about your B team. Now for the rink situation i think that every team had to deal with the same problem regardless. Neumann is not a match at all against your so called "B team's" D1 team and you know that. Lets be real. The officiating was what Neumann made it to be just because they knew that they were down and out. Regardless, of the water i remember seeing it being 3 shots for the 3 goals ? That game was going to be a blowout no matter if they were playing on ice. Not to mention WCU was missing like 3 or 4 of there players.

yep u caught me...not.
I just see a lot of games and most are sandwich around mine.

and lets be real, that 2nd goal was not a goal, everyone in the rink knew it.

can u explain that bolded part?

[Ducks9758]

Right.

I will completely agree with you that 2nd goal was definitely not a goal.

But, there is know point or reason to explain the second goal whether it went in or not. The only thing that matters is there were 9 more that were scored in that game against Neumann. Its ashamed because there goaltender is arguably the best in the league.

[hockeykid12]

The thing I see the most is that Neumann lacks composure and is easily rattled. I agree Neumann has the best goalie in the league, unfortunately he had probably his only bad game of the year that night.

But now that that is all out of the way, for the mos part the seeds are set for regionals,
Wcu-SB-nu-hofstra are basically locked in barring a meltdown by SB/HU there final weekend, what are your thoughts ducks/hockey guy, on how regionals will shape out who u got in finals

[Ducks9758]

West Chester University v.s. Stoney Brook University

[hockeykid12]

very likely, assuming seeds fall as they will the final four would presumably be
wcu-hofstra
nu-sb
however unlikely that is knowing the league and the upset daily, i only disagree in that I think hofstra or neumann is more likely to make the finals and that is solely based on SB lack of goaltending, where i think NU/HU goalie is going to steal a game or two, as those are probably the best two in the league.

would not b shocked to see hofstra in the finals

[GSJaguars11]

The thing I see the most is that Neumann lacks composure and is easily rattled. I agree Neumann has the best goalie in the league, unfortunately he had probably his only bad game of the year that night.

But now that that is all out of the way, for the mos part the seeds are set for regionals,
Wcu-SB-nu-hofstra are basically locked in barring a meltdown by SB/HU there final weekend, what are your thoughts ducks/hockey guy, on how regionals will shape out who u got in finals

no offense to neumann cause i'm friends with a lot of their players but I dont think that delay made much difference, wcu sat 2 good players and still handled the game.

and the best goalie in the league is the same one from the last few years.

http://ecrha.net/game.php?game_id=96881

[hockeykid12]

no doubt we forgot about keyes, he is one of the best, unfortunately the team in front of him isn't as good as they once were

[danglsauce]

After what i've seen i dont think i put Neumann's goalie in the top 5 in the east...

[hockeystr]

its weird because stony brook got worked this weekend, good thing they are in the ecrha or they would never have a chance at making it to nationals

[hockeyguy18]

I wouldnt say no chance. SB is stil 10-2-2 in regular season play, going 0-4 in one weekend doesn't negate that. but i do agree that its very shocking. I wonder if they didnt have the whole team or something. anyone from SB on these forums that can enlighten us?

Also very weird Hofstra went 0-4 in there last 4 as well. Maybe there is something in the water over the in NY that these players got exposed to because both teams were in top 4 in the east and both got murdered in one weekend. Maybe someone from hofstra can also tell us what happened there?

[Sbu31]

Took us a while to adjust to the big rink, but for the most part just played flat and couldn't find the back of the net.

[hockeystr]

right i forgot that the rinks are much bigger

[Sbu31]

right i forgot that the rinks are much bigger

That rink actually was much bigger than any rink we played on in the east, but big rink or not we were off all weekend.

[Bthumme]

That rink actually was much bigger than any rink we played on in the east, but big rink or not we were off all weekend.

We kind of stumbled as well.

[NUHockey72]

We kind of stumbled as well.

Bthumme, you would have a better knowledge than the rest of us, but I was wondering what Central Michigan is doing in DII? It looks like they are just about steamrolling all other DII competition and held up pretty well in the three games they played against DI teams at the inter-regional, judging they were one year removed from winning a regional championship. Any input?

[hockeystr]

That rink actually was much bigger than any rink we played on in the east, but big rink or not we were off all weekend.

Well after looking at the rink sizes of feasterville and a few others it looks like only a few feet of difference. But either way how will this play out at nationals? Ice rinks are 200 feet long not 185 like palatine was

[Bthumme]

Bthumme, you would have a better knowledge than the rest of us, but I was wondering what Central Michigan is doing in DII? It looks like they are just about steamrolling all other DII competition and held up pretty well in the three games they played against DI teams at the inter-regional, judging they were one year removed from winning a regional championship. Any input?

Check your PM

[Sbu31]

Well after looking at the rink sizes of feasterville and a few others it looks like only a few feet of difference. But either way how will this play out at nationals? Ice rinks are 200 feet long not 185 like palatine was

Those numbers are not accurate (the numbers on the website), but ya i know last year at nationals we were pretty off with the rink size. After regionals it'll be a nice few weeks of adjusting how we play for the bigger rinks.

[joshbaily22]

the stars shouldnt have to aline for a team to win.a good team will win on a big rink, small rink, vs a good team or vs a bad team

[William Bourque]

the stars shouldnt have to aline for a team to win.a good team will win on a big rink, small rink, vs a good team or vs a bad team

While that may be true, it would be silly to think that the size of the rink doesn't effect the game play is crazy. Some teams game will translate better to larger rink (small and fast) versus a smaller rink (big and fast). Additionally, goalies tend to have issue with the different angles of a larger rink versus a smaller rink. Knowing how multiple teams perform at rinks like Feaserville versus a rink like Susquehanna, you can in fact see how much of a difference rink size can effect outcome. That being said, not performing well on a big rink does not bode well for you come nationals.

[hockeyguy18]

While that may be true, it would be silly to think that the size of the rink doesn't effect the game play is crazy. Some teams game will translate better to larger rink (small and fast) versus a smaller rink (big and fast). Additionally, goalies tend to have issue with the different angles of a larger rink versus a smaller rink. Knowing how multiple teams perform at rinks like Feaserville versus a rink like Susquehanna, you can in fact see how much of a difference rink size can effect outcome. That being said, not performing well on a big rink does not bode well for you come nationals.

I completely agree. You see teams like Stony Brook, Hofstra and West Point. All play tough physical style of play that is extremely effective on smaller rinks. SB and West Point play up in your face and make you beat them physically in order to win. Thats why Stony Brook has been so effective until this past tournament. I never played in that rink in Chicago but i can see them struggling if the rink is that big. Hopefully these 3 teams (SB, West Point, and even Hofstra) can figure a way out to fix this problem come nations bc I think SB can go far if they adapt properly.

Teams like WC and Neum I think will both translate well in big rinks bc they both play with extreme speed and skill in transition. But after these past few weekends its seems the only consistently good team has been WC. I hope Neumann and SB both bounce back bc I am rooting heavily for the east in nationals.

[GMU18]

East gets atleast 5 bids this year... Lucky for us wcu and Neumann are going to chantily and can show george mason where they stand in the nation, itll be evident it isn't close to where the east is

How'd that turn out?

[hockeykid12]

i will give u credit u guys played a very good team game.
taking nothing away from u guys but the refs from the south were very brutal.

[GMU18]

i will give u credit u guys played a very good team game.
taking nothing away from u guys but the refs from the south were very brutal.

The refs definitely had a few bad moments during the GMU vs WCU game. Though i think it wasn't the calls, it was the non-calls. I agree with all the calls through to course of the game. Along with the WCU coach being kicked out. Its okay to disagree with the ref, however to threaten him is unacceptable.
We (GMU) got away with two should be calls..
WCU scored their second goal by tripping our last man back and getting a mini breakaway (not called)


So i think it evens out in the end.

More shameless bagging on the refs..

* I was pretty upset about getting kicked out of the temple and rowan games on headbutting call.. Which was without a doubt not headbutt..

** no one goes for a headbutt.... -_-

[conndangl]

I just had to reply to this since I was able to see some footage from the game as well as speaking to a very high-up official from the ecrha. I have to take a stand for the eastern teams here. The reffing down there (when my sons team went) was attrocious. And from what I saw with the wcu-gmu game, it was unbearable. When a wcu player gets an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for saying "wow" and another from the b team gets one for simply saying "woohoo" after a goal, there is a problem. When a very high amount of penalties are committed and the box score on the Ecrha website lies to say there was only 7 or 8 for wcu there is an issue. This same thing also happened Neumann last year. These types of games give a terrible name to the southern league and make no eastern teams want to participate in any interregionals down there. I know Uconn (our team) will never go down there as long as that ref is reffing there. Just overall terrible hometown officiating that interferes with good games being played. Those teams should want to get that ref out of there. It is embarassing... just my 2 cents as a parent and from what i have heard from players and high up officials from the east.

[GMU18]

If you have the footage I would love to see it.

[William Bourque]

The reffing down there (when my sons team went) was attrocious. I know Uconn (our team) will never go down there as long as that ref is reffing there

I don't know of any instance of UConn heading down to the SECRHL.

[GSJaguars11]

I dont remember the reffing being all that unfair over the weekend but i didnt watch the gmu vs wcu game. But I thought the refs were terrible at other aspects.. Cursing at players a few times and refusing to give an explanation to a call when players weren't even giving attitude about it. I think If the team's captain politely asks for a call to be explained then the ref should do it. And i'm not sure if thats how it is at all Southeastern events but the refs pushing the games to start as soon as the game before ends(even if its a half hour before game time) was annoying.

[hockeykid12]

refs telling the players to STFU is a bit much i thought

[GMU18]

My son was on a different team at the time he played down there... I am saying that now he is playing on uconn and I do not believe there are any plans to play down in the SECRHL for any interegional. Reffing being one of the main concerns after hearing a number of horror storries, including this past weekend..

Oddly enough it seems that no one on uconn has played for another school. I thought it was weird that a parent would be on here. But your not a parent at all.

[conndangl]

Oddly enough it seems that no one on uconn has played for another school. I thought it was weird that a parent would be on here. But your not a parent at all.

You sure about that? I would double check your information for both d1 and B... and maybe not neccessarily a school that my son played for to have been reffed by that same refferee. Think about it my friend... Although I do wish I was a player ;)

...The real issue hand is not about me... but about that ref cursing at players and being an overall joke to the sport of hockey. I am sure I can speak for all ecrha teams when I say it would nice to GMU up east playing with some fair referees.

[MasonHockey]

So GMU has a total of 8 points thus far this year, that would put them behind 12 teams in the ECRHA, granted the ECRHA has more games played thus far so the numbers are a bit off, but lets take who has 8 points in 14 games, do you feel you could beat them? they have beaten Neumann in a huge comeback and lost to WCU 2-1. Or how bout Uconn? they are one of the bottom teams in the East, do you feel you could beat them? I personally don't think you would, the east is just very strong, having a 500 record in the East is equivalent to like a 700 winning % in the south, so to just be 500% down south means the odds are not in your favor against east teams.

".500 record in the East is equivalent to a .700 winning % in the south" How did that play out in Chantilly, VA?

I love the fact that some of you ECRHA guys are so arrogant, that you don't see the fact that your league isn't as good as it used to be on a National scale.

Someone brings up the point about the ECRHA D1 teams not doing well in last years Nationals Pool play, and are told Pool play doesn't matter.
Even if you want to discount pool play. ECRHA D1 teams Penn State, Buffalo, Brockport, and Rutgers beat 0 teams outside of the ECRHA at Natty's. No response.

Stony brook went 0-4 in illinois and SOME of you blame the rink size. REALLY?

West Chester goes 1-2 against the SECRHL teams (losing to a 6 man NC STATE, which is the SECRHL #5 seed) and you blame the refs for that and the GMU loss.

Do you guys have a rolodex for all these excuses or do they just come naturally to those of you arrogant enough to believe it?

I'm not saying we are the best team or even a top team, but seriously if you are wondering why there are people who hate some of the teams in the ECRHA. It's the way you guys act on and off the rink.
I actually just feel sorry for the good and nice ECRHA teams like Temple, West Point, & Penn State for having to deal with you guys each weekend. Try having some fun... Instead of taking yourself so seriously that you end up sitting in a locker room fully dressed for 20 minutes before a game time, because you are "too good" to start early. NOBODY IS THAT GOOD!

[hockeykid12]

yep, i eat my words for a weekend that has no impact on the separate leagues, a weekend in which each region wants to shine, yet take little from it in the long run. the fact that wcu went 1-2 after the best coach in the league gets thrown out by again the refs means very little to wcu knowing that they are going to go to nattys and do very well when its time to play.
much of the ecrha attitude comes from the fact the south isn't very good the exception begin bethel, i gave gmu credit for their weekend, but then its posts by the leinsings that make people laugh at gmu. wcu will beat u 9/10 times you got them at the one time where it doesn't matter and you had a lot more to play for then them, u guys may have earned yourself a nationals bid with that win alone. congrats. but the east will still get 5-6 teams in, and the south will be lucky with 3.

they really do have some sick youtube videos of dangles...

[PMoyer3]

Moral of the story: Go to inter-regionals in the WCRHL where no games are allowed to start early and reffing has been very consistent this year. :)
However, I am thoroughly enjoying the drama unfolding here. It will definitely be interesting to see how this year turns out!

/popcorn

[conndangl]

".500 record in the East is equivalent to a .700 winning % in the south" How did that play out in Chantilly, VA?

I love the fact that some of you ECRHA guys are so arrogant, that you don't see the fact that your league isn't as good as it used to be on a National scale.

Someone brings up the point about the ECRHA D1 teams not doing well in last years Nationals Pool play, and are told Pool play doesn't matter.
Even if you want to discount pool play. ECRHA D1 teams Penn State, Buffalo, Brockport, and Rutgers beat 0 teams outside of the ECRHA at Natty's. No response.

Stony brook went 0-4 in illinois and SOME of you blame the rink size. REALLY?

West Chester goes 1-2 against the SECRHL teams (losing to a 6 man NC STATE, which is the SECRHL #5 seed) and you blame the refs for that and the GMU loss.

Do you guys have a rolodex for all these excuses or do they just come naturally to those of you arrogant enough to believe it?

I'm not saying we are the best team or even a top team, but seriously if you are wondering why there are people who hate some of the teams in the ECRHA. It's the way you guys act on and off the rink.
I actually just feel sorry for the good and nice ECRHA teams like Temple, West Point, & Penn State for having to deal with you guys each weekend. Try having some fun... Instead of taking yourself so seriously that you end up sitting in a locker room fully dressed for 20 minutes before a game time, because you are "too good" to start early. NOBODY IS THAT GOOD!

Bashing the ecrha? Interesting....All I can say that is I very much look forward to seeing how your team does at Nationals! That is all....Oh and keep your refs at home.

[NUHockey72]

yep, i eat my words for a weekend that has no impact on the separate leagues, a weekend in which each region wants to shine, yet take little from it in the long run.

Interregionals are the most important games played in order to determine nationals seeding. They're the only point of reference for those who select the teams at the seating meeting.

Try and keep it civil here guys, no need to go slandering other teams back and forth after a pretty rough weekend in chantilly. GMU and the SECRHL was kind enough to put on the event and if people are furious about it you don't have to go back.

Nevertheless this is where the demands of the ECRHA to make all teams attend hurts rather than helps its teams at nationals. Because of the losses suffered by SBU and WCU you have to speculate that the ECRHA will get one of the least amounts of bids to Nationals next to the RMCRHA (due to lack of teams) and the SCHL (due to past performances). I still think that its absolutely a great rule for ECRHA teams to travel out of region based on the general unwillingness of other regions to do so.

I'll have to admit a looming issue with the ECRHA as a region having trouble competing versus the rest of the nation, in my opinion, is the lack of star power; which I'd argue is the WCRHL's biggest advantage going into this year's Nationals. Teams can be dismantled by herculean efforts i.e. Burrows vs. Lindenwood last year, Noe for USCB against Rutgers, Stony Brook and Central Florida or even Jason Walker for SIUe in the 2009 DII Nationals. When you really think about it who has the ability in the east to absolutely take over a game against a high echelon team like Michigan St., UCSB, Bethel, FGCU, or Lindenwood?

[hockeykid12]

i am well aware of how inner regionals are looked at, but this regional meant a lot more to GMU then it did to a neumann and west chester who most would say barring a meltdown at ecrha regional are getting national bids. gmu needed to perform a lot better than either of those two teams

[William Bourque]

Nevertheless this is where the demands of the ECRHA to make all teams attend hurts rather than helps its teams at nationals. Because of the losses suffered by SBU and WCU you have to speculate that the ECRHA will get one of the least amounts of bids to Nationals next to the RMCRHA (due to lack of teams) and the SCHL (due to past performances).

You can argue either side of the coin, in some years it hurts and some years it helps. This year, there will be less teams from the ECRHA going and rightfully so, they haven't performed up to task and nothing should be given to teams. If you can't take care of business before nationals, it is very unlikely your going to do a 180 at nationals. Last season, the performance of the teams help send more teams and rightfully so.

Each and every year the results will change, and we will continue to force teams to play out of region, because at the end of the season when they are either left at home or on the way to nationals, they will know they had a role in that decision based on actual game results and not speculation. This season 14 ECRHA DI teams attended an interregional event, in addition to the regular season schedule. When teams are left at home, they will at least have the satisfaction of knowing that they played their way in or out and didn't leave it up to who beat who.

[hockeyguy18]

Im on a current east team, some excuses are lame but some are legitimate. The east does more for this league than any other conference. Were actively trying to spread this sport by going out of region and spending our hard earned money. Its not just going up against the teams that are hard, or in some cases battling the refs, its also the travel that makes it difficult to win at times. Im taking any credit away from any other regions that beat the east, they out righted played us all over the US this year. But come up to the east and play us I bet you'd find it a lot harder to win. And I would bet any amount of money that the east teams that do go to nationals are not going to play like they did this yr at inter-regionals. Especially after these heated arguments that have been going on back and forth on these forums. Im part of a team that will most likely be going to nationals, and I know we want this even more now. No more trash talk GMU, well see you at nationals.

[GMULensing7]

yep, i eat my words for a weekend that has no impact on the separate leagues, a weekend in which each region wants to shine, yet take little from it in the long run. the fact that wcu went 1-2 after the best coach in the league gets thrown out by again the refs means very little to wcu knowing that they are going to go to nattys and do very well when its time to play.
much of the ecrha attitude comes from the fact the south isn't very good the exception begin bethel, i gave gmu credit for their weekend, but then its posts by the leinsings that make people laugh at gmu. wcu will beat u 9/10 times you got them at the one time where it doesn't matter and you had a lot more to play for then them, u guys may have earned yourself a nationals bid with that win alone. congrats. but the east will still get 5-6 teams in, and the south will be lucky with 3.

they really do have some sick youtube videos of dangles...

its funny i dont think a lensing has signed on since last year. first semester. i had to get my password reset its been so long. and at least spell our last name right. being a twin i rarely get called my first name correctly, but we both have the same last name bro...anyway.

the refs were bad, ill give you that. i was standing next to the ref when your coach was screaming. but you cant complain when a coach gets thrown out for literally threatening a refs life, and then telling him to "make me leave." i don't care if your the greatest coach in the world, you cant expect the refs to like your team after he just got verbally assaulted. the south calls it tighter than the east. when we went to the east last year we simply talked to refs and asked them if they were going to call it tight or loose. i haven't met a ref that wont tell me how he is going to call a game. last year we drove up to Pitt and went 2-1-1, losing to WCU by 1 and tying your regional champions Rowan with your refs. as long as you treat a ref with respect he will respect you back. but don't get mad at a ref not treating you well when his life was just threatened minutes before...and im sorry but you cant really use the refs as an excuse when we played that tournament and regionals with our B goalie because our D1 goalie had a high ankle sprain. we aren't complaining about it because you just have to play through it, just like the refs.

WCU was a great team and will go far at nationals. I was dissapointed to not see lucente, it would have been fun to play against someone who is argued as one of the best in the league. I saw him in ft. myers for NARCH and he was impressive. Not to take anything away from WCU, but i thought Neumann was better than what people talk about. Their first line was dirty and could handle any line in the league probably. If their second line goes even plus-minus at nationals, they could do some damage. the south will probably get 3 maybe 4 bids because no one besides bethel performed extremely well in the division. I think the west and MCRHL should get the most bids because they consistently are quiet but are dirty. They are overlooked because of their tough divisions. Regardless of whether the south gets 8 bids, or 0, just remember Las Vegas in only 6.5 hours of a drive away...enjoy nationals everyone.

Andrew Lensing #7
George Mason University

[hockeykid12]

neumann lost a lot when zubak was lost. he solidified that second line.

[GoRangrHky]

So what I'm seeing is that the SECRHL's second best (and apparently very close to best) team came up to NY and lost to two of the ECRHA's better teams, and beat a team that didn't even make the ECRHA's ten team regionals and a UConn team that had a terrible first half. Your best team went to Missouri, beat a 3-13 team by a goal, a B team, a middle of the pack team, and got stomped on by Lindenwood. Mason tied a bunch of teams, including 5-12-4 Rowan and 9-10-2 Temple, at their home rink. I don't know if anything in that whole mix is THAT impressive.

[joshbaily22]

anyone can beat anyone from anywhere....fact

[RealTalk19]

Lets take a break from the ECRHA, and SECRHL talk eh? Whats everyone's thoughts on the teams out west, the midwest, and the great plains? havent heard much about any of those teams lately!!!

[GMU18]

My opinion on Bids as of now. Clearly will change after Regionals.

ECRHA - 5
West Chester
Neumann
Stony Brook
Uconn
Hofstra

GPCIHL - 4
Lindenwood
UMSL
Missouri state
Illnois

MCRHL - 4
Michigan State
Ohio State
Grand Valley State
EMU ( they did go 4-11) However they forfeited their first 4 games. Didn't have a full team till the end and managed to beat MSU and ohio state.

RMCRHA - 1
Colorado State

SECHRL - 4
Bethel
Central florida
George mason
North carolina state

SCHL - 1
North Texas

WCRHL - 5
Cal pol
Long beach state
UC santa barbara
ASU
UNLV

[aElliott15]

What's everyone's opinions on D2 bids as of now (with 4 regionals still to be played)?

[NUHockey72]

What's everyone's opinions on D2 bids as of now (with 4 regionals still to be played)?
I'll make a prediction going into this weekend's regional events

ECRHA - 3 (1 alternate)
University of Pittsburgh
Northeastern University
SUNY Binghamton
Alternate: Queens college

SECRHL - 3 (1 alternate)
Kennesaw State University
Florida State University
University of Florida
Alternate: University of North Carolina - Charlotte

SCHL - 2
Texas State University - San Marcos
Oklahoma State University

GPICHL - 2 (1 alternate)
Maryville University
Illinois State University
Alternate: Kansas State University

MCRHL - 2
Central Michigan University
Western Michigan University

RMCRHA - 1 (1 alternate)
University Colorado at Boulder
Alternate: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs

WCRHL- 3
Chico State University
University of California at Santa Cruz
University of California at Irvine

Teams on the cusp depending on performances in their regional weekends (barring winning their respective regional championships):
University of Massachusetts - Amherst (If they are able to beat Binghamton in Pool play and Queens in crossover play)
Slippery Rock University (If they place no lower than second in pool play and win at least one elimination round game)
University of California at Davis (If they are able to out last Irvine into the semi-finals)

[hockeyguy18]

My opinion on Bids as of now. Clearly will change after Regionals.

ECRHA - 5
West Chester
Neumann
Stony Brook
Uconn
Hofstra

GPCIHL - 4
Lindenwood
UMSL
Missouri state
Illnois

MCRHL - 4
Michigan State
Ohio State
Grand Valley State
EMU ( they did go 4-11) However they forfeited their first 4 games. Didn't have a full team till the end and managed to beat MSU and ohio state.

RMCRHA - 1
Colorado State

SECHRL - 4
Bethel
Central florida
George mason
North carolina state

SCHL - 1
North Texas

WCRHL - 5
Cal pol
Long beach state
UC santa barbara
ASU
UNLV

5 teams from the east? im suprised u even picked 1 team. No but seriously this second half of the season has been crazy, besides Lindenwood who has dominated the GPCIHL. No other team has been consistent. The MCRHL has flipped upside down the second half with EMU and GVS both beat ohio state and EMU beat MSU and GVS tied MSU. I guess Bethel has dominated their region as well with the other teams trailing by a lot. The east I guess WCU has been consistent in their region but NU and SBU both have weird losses. And the west everyone beats everyone so to be honest I have no idea how this playoff season is going to go

[Mustangs]

I mainly agree with GMU18, but I would make a few changes. Being out West I can say that I think at least the top 4 teams should go (three-way tie for first in the regular season and the defending National Champs, Long Beach, are just 3 points out), but ASU would do well if they get a bid.

ECRHA - 5
West Chester
Neumann
Stony Brook
West Point (I swapped them for UConn because West Point has had close 1-2 goal games with the higher level ECRHA teams like West Chester and Neumann.)
Hofstra

GPCIHL - 4
Lindenwood
UMSL
Missouri State
Illnois

MCRHL - 4
Michigan State
Ohio State
Grand Valley State
EMU (This will be a tough sell because of their record, but as stated before, they finished very strong once they had a full team. They were solid last year at nationals and it looks like they have several returning players.)

RMCRHA - 1
Colorado State

SECHRL - 4 (I obviously don't know the SE as well as GMU18, but I don't think you can leave a (9-4-1) team out. I know they lost to NC State at regionals, but NC State had a sub-par regular season. It's a tough call. I could see them not taking EMU and giving 5 bids to the SE.)

Bethel
Central Florida
George Mason
FGCU

SCHL - 1
North Texas

WCRHL - 5
Cal Poly
Long Beach State
UC Santa Barbara
ASU
UNLV

[RealTalk19]

Did Bethel end up playing Lindenwood this year? And in my opinion the west seems to be the strongest division this year!!!!

[Mustangs]

I don't want to comment on whether or not the West is strongest division, but I can say it's definitely a highly competitive league. Literally, any team could win any given game and it's tough to pick a favorite for regionals. Every team has a ton of offensive talent. If you take any game lightly you will loss.

[hockeyguy18]

Im from the east...and personally i think the west is the best region overall

[GMU18]

5 teams from the east? im suprised u even picked 1 team. No but seriously this second half of the season has been crazy, besides Lindenwood who has dominated the GPCIHL. No other team has been consistent. The MCRHL has flipped upside down the second half with EMU and GVS both beat ohio state and EMU beat MSU and GVS tied MSU. I guess Bethel has dominated their region as well with the other teams trailing by a lot. The east I guess WCU has been consistent in their region but NU and SBU both have weird losses. And the west everyone beats everyone so to be honest I have no idea how this playoff season is going to go

I never said the east was bad. I just said they aren't deserving of the eight bids they received last year.

[islanderfan]

GPICHL - 2 (1 alternate)
Maryville University
Illinois State University
Alternate: Kansas State University



Not to take anything away from Illinois State, but we beat them twice by 4 & 6 goals, where they beat us twice by one goal. We also are the only team that tied Maryville (twice) with their full squad. My understanding is that Maryville had nothing to gain by playing, so they forfeited to Illinois State the final regular season game and lost to Washington without Maryville's regular guys. Both of their losses occurred on the same day. We also have more reg season wins as well as exhibition wins against other regions. We'll know Monday how the bids go, but I do believe K-State should get a bid over Illinois State. Stats don't tell the whole story, but even they are stacked in our favor.
I try to stay out of these conversations, but my team has worked really hard for this and I really do feel they are ready and deserve to go.

Coach Jerry Remsbecker
K-State Inline Hockey Club

[Bthumme]

Well, just got our rear ends handed to us by Central, all I can say is good luck to whoever has to play them at nationals. They are not a D2 team by any means. They will destroy 85% of their competition, the other 15% they will just win comfortably.

[NUHockey72]

With Selection Monday bids so near feel free to check out NCRHA Coast To Coast with host Kevin Smith (University of Arizona) and myself as we preview the NCRHA national championship's selection Monday. Let us know about the production value/format of the show; feel free to chime in and tell us if you'd be interested in having us do something of this sort this April in Utah during Nationals recapping the day's action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZqNdB_CUa4&sns=em

[ECUHockey]

Great show. It was ESPN like which was really cool. Are there going to be shows for other divisions as well or is it only for DI?

[NUHockey72]

Great show. It was ESPN like which was really cool. Are there going to be shows for other divisions as well or is it only for DI?

We're going to aim to cover each division from DI to B while including some video highlights and hopefully some interviews as well.

[rockstar88]

In the SECRHL you picking Florida Gulf Coast!!! This team NEVER left their region...they barely left the state of Florida. And, they did NOT win a game a regionals. Wins game against D2 teams and Affiliates!

[aElliott15]

Who do you think should be ahead of FGCU? I mean I agree that FGCU doesn't deserve a bid but idk who does from the SECRHL. NC state looked good at regionals but had a pretty poor regular season. I guess the question is whether their play at regionals makes up for their regular season

[rockstar88]

I don't have a dog in that fight. Although Central Florida looked great at regionals...had issues during their Inter-regionals in NY. But at least they played an Inter-regional. On the year NC State beat UCF, Mason and ECU...beat West Chester in Chantilly Inter-regional just before regionals. Beat ECU and Florida Gulf coast at regionals and took Bethel to SD overtime...losing albeit 5-4 in the semi's.

[aElliott15]

So you would go with UCF, Mason, and NC state? and obviously bethel

[rockstar88]

ONLY if that conference is awarded four bids. In order Bethel, UCF, George Mason and then NC State. Or NC State as an alternate with only three bids. Then maybe ECU or Florida Gulf Coast as possible alternates. What are some thoughts on ECRHA that's where hard decisions need to be made.

[MasonHockey]

So you would go with UCF, Mason, and NC state? and obviously bethel

From the SECRHL I think it's:
1. Bethel
2. UCF
3. George Mason U.
4 A. NC State (Based on regionals results beating ECU head-to-head and a better showing in Chantilly than ECU)
4 B. ECU (Based on regular season)
6. FGCU

[hockeykid12]

i think the south gets 3 teams. and maybe NC state would be an alternate. I agree with the projected teams in that broadcast, i think they really hit it right on the head with that list of teams thou

[alex]

No way should the Rocky Mountain region get 2 (out of 2) teams in D1.

[NUHockey72]

No way should the Rocky Mountain region get 2 (out of 2) teams in D1.

This is the kind of discourse Kevin and I hoped for when we made coast to coast. In our opinion the rmcrha gets two bids because of their performance against two teams interregionally (Arizona & Texas Tech) and based on the fact metro state took their region's auto bid from the team who would have gotten into nationals on regular season points alone.

[hockeykid12]

but if some common sense is used, would that 2nd team from the Rocky region be even competitive if it takes a spot away from a ECRHA or a WCRHL team that is on the cusp?

[alex]

This is the kind of discourse Kevin and I hoped for when we made coast to coast. In our opinion the rmcrha gets two bids because of their performance against two teams interregionally (Arizona & Texas Tech) and based on the fact metro state took their region's auto bid from the team who would have gotten into nationals on regular season points alone.

Interregional wins shouldn't carry weight for racking up frequent flier miles, they should matter for beating good teams/other bubble teams/teams going to nationals. They beat an Arizona team that went 0-24 on the season and a Texas Tech team that won 1 game in consistently the weakest region in the country.

[Mustangs]

I have to agree with Alex here. I think there are better teams from the deeper divisions. ASU is right on the cusp right now and I definitely think their (8-9-3) record in the WCRHL carries a lot more weight than beating weaker interregional teams. Not to mention some of the other bubble teams from the ECRHA. These are just things that the selection committee will have to weigh out. My change to your bids would just be ASU over CSU.

Well done with the show though. Adding some interviews would be a nice touch.

[aElliott15]

What does everyone think about for DII?

[Kevin Smith]

Interregional wins shouldn't carry weight for racking up frequent flier miles, they should matter for beating good teams/other bubble teams/teams going to nationals. They beat an Arizona team that went 0-24 on the season and a Texas Tech team that won 1 game in consistently the weakest region in the country.


I have to agree with Alex here. I think there are better teams from the deeper divisions. ASU is right on the cusp right now and I definitely think their (8-9-3) record in the WCRHL carries a lot more weight than beating weaker interregional teams. Not to mention some of the other bubble teams from the ECRHA. These are just things that the selection committee will have to weigh out. My change to your bids would just be ASU over CSU.

The argument for Nationals is Who Deserves To Go?, not Who Is The Better Team? There is a difference. Is ASU a better team? Yes. Do they play in a tougher region? Yes. Would they beat CSU head-to-head? Most likely. But 4 of ASU's 8 wins were against Arizona, the 0-24 team from the region, and 2 were against Saddleback College (JC). Saddleback is a good JC team but only beat one DI team all year, Arizona. (They did have close games with other DI teams.) ASU went 2-9-3 against all other opponents in regular season play. CSU (Metro State won the auto bid, so we're looking at CSU) lost 2 regular season games all season, one to the DII region champion and the other to Metro. They also tied CU-Boulder, a team that also beat Arizona. CSU beat Arizona, Texas Tech and also beat North Texas, the SCHL champ, in interregional play.

Records--

ASU: Regular Season (8-9-3), Regionals (0-4)
CSU: Regular Season (13-2-1), Regionals (1-2)

The ONLY real marks of comparison that can be drawn between these two teams is

a) The WCRHL is stronger than the RMCRHA (proven by Arizona's performance in Colorado, playing close games while being 0-20 in the WCRHL)

b) ASU and CSU both beat Arizona (CSU beat UofA 3-1, while ASU won 5-4, 3-1, 8-5 and 7-0 in their 4 games)

c) Both teams have wins against 2 other DI opponents going to Nationals (ASU > Long Beach State and UCSB, CSU > North Texas and Metro St.) ASU also tied Cal Poly once and tied UNLV once.

Both teams had sub-par regional performances. (ASU missing their ACHA guys.) If I'm the committee and I look at all of this, I have to give CSU the benefit of the doubt that they are the team that is more deserving of a bid. It isn't their fault that they don't have more competition in their region, and they won all tests against other regions. You can only play the games on your schedule. CSU is not the better team by any means, but simply by resume alone, they deserve the bid more. However, if ASU gets in, they will be a force to be reckoned with in SLC and will "surprise" some people. Solid, well-rounded team when everyone is there.




Well done with the show though. Adding some interviews would be a nice touch.


Thanks for the input on the show. We'll be adding a lot more such as interviews once we get rolling.

[housley]

Here’s how I see it. You’ve got 20 bids that, I think, are pretty much locks, or at least common sense. I don’t see any way any region doesn’t get minimum these number of bids:

East - 4
West Chester
Neumann
Towson
Stony Brook

West - 4
UC Santa Barbara
Cal Poly SLO
Long Beach State
UNLV

Great Plains - 4
Lindenwood
UMSL
Missouri State
Illinois

Midwest - 3
Michigan State
Grand Valley State
Ohio State

Southeast - 3
Bethel
Central Florida
George Mason

Rocky Mountain - 1
Metro State

Southwest - 1
North Texas


Then the question is who gets the last 4 bids out of these 6 bubble teams:
Connecticut
Hofstra
Arizona State
Eastern Michigan
North Carolina State
Colorado State

You ask me...I don’t think ECRHA needs 6 bids. Connecticut gets the 5th over Hofstra.

I think Eastern Michigan and Arizona State deserve to be there, they both sound like they have the potential to be spoilers at nationals if their records are as misleading as people are saying.

That leaves NC State or Colorado State for the last spot, either one works for me.

Thoughts?

[Kevin Smith]

Here’s how I see it. You’ve got 20 bids that, I think, are pretty much locks, or at least common sense. I don’t see any way any region doesn’t get minimum these number of bids:

East - 4
West Chester
Neumann
Towson
Stony Brook

West - 4
UC Santa Barbara
Cal Poly SLO
Long Beach State
UNLV

Great Plains - 4
Lindenwood
UMSL
Missouri State
Illinois

Midwest - 3
Michigan State
Grand Valley State
Ohio State

Southeast - 3
Bethel
Central Florida
George Mason

Rocky Mountain - 1
Metro State

Southwest - 1
North Texas


Then the question is who gets the last 4 bids out of these 6 bubble teams:
Connecticut
Hofstra
Arizona State
Eastern Michigan
North Carolina State
Colorado State

You ask me...I don’t think ECRHA needs 6 bids. Connecticut gets the 5th over Hofstra.

I think Eastern Michigan and Arizona State deserve to be there, they both sound like they have the potential to be spoilers at nationals if their records are as misleading as people are saying.

That leaves NC State or Colorado State for the last spot, either one works for me.

Thoughts?

I think you may have brought something up that we didn't, in that ASU may deserve a bid over a 4th SECRHL team. We threw CSU and FGCU into our 24 without debate due to time constraints so we could get it out in time. We also tried to allocate the bids per region before giving each team a slot.

I think you're pretty spot on though.

[housley]

I think you may have brought something up that we didn't, in that ASU may deserve a bid over a 4th SECRHL team. We threw CSU and FGCU into our 24 without debate due to time constraints so we could get it out in time. We also tried to allocate the bids per region before giving each team a slot.

I think you're pretty spot on though.


Only people choosing Florida Gulf Coast aren't from the Southeast and are just looking at overall standings. NC State or East Carolina deserve to go ahead of them. And both of them put up average records in the southeast. Arizona State put up an average record in the west.

I take average west team over average southeast team almost any year. Especially this season.

[housley]

And I'm not sure why you guys are set on Colorado State. Look at them this year versus last year, very similar situation...

Regular season record:
This year: 13-2-1
Last year: 12-3-1

Regular season against Metro State:
This year: 2-1-0
Last year: 2-1-1

Regional championship best of 3 series against Metro State:
This year: lost game 3 on a goal with 2 seconds left
Last year: lost game 3 in OT

Also this year, they got blown out by Metro 1 game at regionals. Last year, all games were decided by a goal.


Last year, Metro got a bid and CSU wasn't even an alternate.

[Kevin Smith]

And I'm not sure why you guys are set on Colorado State. Look at them this year versus last year, very similar situation...

Regular season record:
This year: 13-2-1
Last year: 12-3-1

Regular season against Metro State:
This year: 2-1-0
Last year: 2-1-1

Regional championship best of 3 series against Metro State:
This year: lost game 3 on a goal with 2 seconds left
Last year: lost game 3 in OT

Also this year, they got blown out by Metro 1 game at regionals. Last year, all games were decided by a goal.


Last year, Metro got a bid and CSU wasn't even an alternate.

Last year there was more competition from other divisions. The ECRHA got 6 bids and they don't deserve that this year; they have to get allocated somewhere. If Metro gets to go for winning the region why should CSU not get to go unless there truly is a team that deserves it more than them? 13-2-1 plus 1-2 in regionals puts them at 30 points in 19 games (plus a 3-0 DI interregional record gives them 36 points in 22 games.) Even with strength of schedule factored in, CSU gets the nod from us. If CSU played in the WCRHL they would have a similar record to ASU (wins over UofA, a few wins and ties against other DI teams and a few wins/ties against JC teams). The SCHL has had two bids in the past. This year give the RMCRHA two bids based on their performance in inter-regional play and lack of other deserving competition from other regions.

Like I said, 4 of ASU's 8 wins were against Arizona. My team. We were 0-24. I'm not saying to discount those wins; every WCRHL DI team beat us at least 3 times.. but look at their record against the rest of the WCRHL DI teams and that's why I feel someone else deserves a shot this year.

And like I said before, it's a complete toss-up between NCSU, ECU and FGCU. NCSU and ECU have 18 points after regionals, while FGCU had 19. FGCU had a poor regional performance, but overall they went 2-3-1 against UCF, 1-1 against NCSU and had two close games with Bethel. In comparison, ECU also had a poor regional performance, went 1-2 against Bethel (but the most reason game was a 9-1 loss.) ECU went 1-1-1 against NCSU and 2-2 against George Mason. It's a COMPLETE toss-up. NCSU had a good regionals but bad regular season record even though they beat West Chester. You could argue for any of them.

[housley]

Last year there was more competition from other divisions. The ECRHA got 6 bids and they don't deserve that this year; they have to get allocated somewhere. If Metro gets to go for winning the region why should CSU not get to go unless there truly is a team that deserves it more than them? 13-2-1 plus 1-2 in regionals puts them at 30 points in 19 games (plus a 3-0 DI interregional record gives them 36 points in 22 games.) Even with strength of schedule factored in, CSU gets the nod from us. If CSU played in the WCRHL they would have a similar record to ASU (wins over UofA, a few wins and ties against other DI teams and a few wins/ties against JC teams). The SCHL has had two bids in the past. This year give the RMCRHA two bids based on their performance in inter-regional play and lack of other deserving competition from other regions.

Like I said, 4 of ASU's 8 wins were against Arizona. My team. We were 0-24. I'm not saying to discount those wins; every WCRHL DI team beat us at least 3 times.. but look at their record against the rest of the WCRHL DI teams and that's why I feel someone else deserves a shot this year.

And like I said before, it's a complete toss-up between NCSU, ECU and FGCU. NCSU and ECU have 18 points after regionals, while FGCU had 19. FGCU had a poor regional performance, but overall they went 2-3-1 against UCF, 1-1 against NCSU and had two close games with Bethel. In comparison, ECU also had a poor regional performance, went 1-2 against Bethel (but the most reason game was a 9-1 loss.) ECU went 1-1-1 against NCSU and 2-2 against George Mason. It's a COMPLETE toss-up. NCSU had a good regionals but bad regular season record even though they beat West Chester. You could argue for any of them.


Why would CSU not deserve to go? Ask the committee that didn't even give them an alternate bid last year.

More competition last year, sure, but you're not just barely moving up CSU for basically the same season as last year...you're moving them from no bid past alternate #4, alternate #3, alternate #2, alternate #1, and into the field of 24.

CSU plays in the WCRHL and they have similar record as ASU??? You play in the WCRHL can you even be serious with that? Because they beat you guys? There's a massive step from U of A to the rest of the WCRHL, it's a stretch at the very least to say that CSU would even compete with the rest of the WCRHL. You don't differentiate enough between what's generally accepted as the best/2nd best region in the league with what's generally accepted as the worst/2nd worst region in the league.

I don't remember the last time the Rocky Mountain region got 2 bids and I'd be surprised if it changed this year. I'd give southeast's 4th team the nod over CSU.

[Bthumme]

Here’s how I see it. You’ve got 20 bids that, I think, are pretty much locks, or at least common sense. I don’t see any way any region doesn’t get minimum these number of bids:

East - 4
West Chester
Neumann
Towson
Stony Brook

West - 4
UC Santa Barbara
Cal Poly SLO
Long Beach State
UNLV

Great Plains - 4
Lindenwood
UMSL
Missouri State
Illinois

Midwest - 3
Michigan State
Grand Valley State
Ohio State

Southeast - 3
Bethel
Central Florida
George Mason

Rocky Mountain - 1
Metro State

Southwest - 1
North Texas


Then the question is who gets the last 4 bids out of these 6 bubble teams:
Connecticut
Hofstra
Arizona State
Eastern Michigan
North Carolina State
Colorado State

You ask me...I don’t think ECRHA needs 6 bids. Connecticut gets the 5th over Hofstra.

I think Eastern Michigan and Arizona State deserve to be there, they both sound like they have the potential to be spoilers at nationals if their records are as misleading as people are saying.

That leaves NC State or Colorado State for the last spot, either one works for me.

Thoughts?

We played the same week as Eastern during the Palatine inter-regional. They looked very solid vs. stony brook and Illinois. Don't know what happened at the start of their season, but they could definitely play spoiler at nationals.

[Kevin Smith]

Why would CSU not deserve to go? Ask the committee that didn't even give them an alternate bid last year.

More competition last year, sure, but you're not just barely moving up CSU for basically the same season as last year...you're moving them from no bid past alternate #4, alternate #3, alternate #2, alternate #1, and into the field of 24.

CSU plays in the WCRHL and they have similar record as ASU??? You play in the WCRHL can you even be serious with that? Because they beat you guys? There's a massive step from U of A to the rest of the WCRHL, it's a stretch at the very least to say that CSU would even compete with the rest of the WCRHL. You don't differentiate enough between what's generally accepted as the best/2nd best region in the league with what's generally accepted as the worst/2nd worst region in the league.

I don't remember the last time the Rocky Mountain region got 2 bids and I'd be surprised if it changed this year. I'd give southeast's 4th team the nod over CSU.

Yes, I'm serious about it. Like I said, 4 of ASU's wins were against us. That means they'd need to go 4-9-3 to have the same record as ASU. Would they? I don't know. I think they could get a few wins a few ties. They play against sub-par competition most of the year so a full season against good teams would make them even better. I'm no idiot, I know where my team stands compared to the rest of my region and most other regions too, and also that the WCRHL is the top (or a top 2) region in the country.

Who have you seen play this year in person? If you haven't seen CSU play then I don't think it's fair to knock them as much as you are. You can say I don't differentiate enough, even though I know the WCRHL is the best or second best region in the country, and once again I'll say when it gets to a situation like this it's more about proven wins/losses than talent on paper. So yeah, maybe you give that bid to the SECRHL and one of those three teams. I won't argue that with you.. but what I will say is this. In college basketball, do you let an average team from a good region go or do you let a team with a great record from a bad region go? I think you know how that goes because there are at-large cinderellas every year.

[housley]

Not all losses, or wins, are created equal. I saw some D1 games at WCRHL regionals last weekend and saw ASU give UCSB (the best region's best team) 1 of their toughest games of the weekend. I saw ASU give Long Beach State (defending national champs) a 1 goal game that went to the buzzer. I didn't see ASU's game against Cal Poly (2nd place at nationals last year) but looks like they had a 3rd period lead before losing that one.

I haven't seen ASU play other than that but you say they were missing guys? I'd pick them for nationals not even knowing that. If I'm on the committee, I see an 0-4 regionals record but I pick them because that's 0-4 with close losses to 4 teams that are without a doubt all top 10 in the nation.

[Kevin Smith]

Not all losses, or wins, are created equal. I saw some D1 games at WCRHL regionals last weekend and saw ASU give UCSB (the best region's best team) 1 of their toughest games of the weekend. I saw ASU give Long Beach State (defending national champs) a 1 goal game that went to the buzzer. I didn't see ASU's game against Cal Poly (2nd place at nationals last year) but looks like they had a 3rd period lead before losing that one.

I haven't seen ASU play other than that but you say they were missing guys? I'd pick them for nationals not even knowing that. If I'm on the committee, I see an 0-4 regionals record but I pick them because that's 0-4 with close losses to 4 teams that are without a doubt all top 10 in the nation.

Touche. Great point made. This is what's been missing if you want to argue that ASU gets in. Thanks for bringing a different perspective to the argument, that is what it's all about.

[housley]

Bids posted: http://ncrha.org/article.php?article_id=55066

In:
Colorado State
Eastern Michigan
Arizona State
Connecticut

Out:
North Carolina State
Hofstra

[Bthumme]

I'm making threads for each divsion for nationals. Keep this thread for any non-tourney talk.

[michelaudorn12]

I thing this is the absolutely perfect rating...

totally agree with you all teams on their exact place..

[void]

Not the seven which were selected last year. Not that it matters, George Mason did get a bid last year.

[margarethquizon]

It doesn't really mean that if you doesn't make it to the nationals you are not an eligible and competitive team. It takes right time and coaching staff to make your team succeed. Every team starts from scratch and it is very essential to every team to have the best coaching staff specially on collegiate league..