Nationals predictions DI and DII

[BEEZERAL]

Who will get bids??

Who will get snubbed?

Who will get an undeserved bid

[teedeezee]

we dont even know what teams are all in yet, do we?

[BEEZERAL]

we dont even know what teams are all in yet, do we?

I was talking about who would gets bids

[NUHockey72]

DII
By division:
WCRHL
Cal
USC
Santa Cruz
Alternates:
Sonoma St.
UC Irvine

SCHL
Texas Tech
Alternate:
New Orleans

SECRHL
Bethel
ECU
Gulf Coast
Alternate:
U of Florida
U of Miami

RMCRHA
C at C Springs

MCRHL
W. Mich
Ball St.

GPCIHL
Illinois
Missouri S&T
Maryville U.

ECRHA
Binghamton
Pittsburgh
Slippery Rock
Alternates:
Drexel
Northeastern

The real question in my opinion is regional parity, I feel as if beyond the SECRHL, WCRHL and ECRHA there most regions have a clear drop off division between the competitive teams and the rest of the region (at least in DII).

Also do we know if the teams in SCHL has gotten any better since last year's nationals? It would be a shame to see a team travel from the southwest to have a repeat of what happened to Stephen F. Austin State last year.

[BEEZERAL]

DII
By division:
WCRHL
Cal
USC
Santa Cruz
Alternates:
Sonoma St.
UC Irvine

SCHL
Texas Tech
Alternate:
New Orleans

SECRHL
Bethel
ECU
Gulf Coast
Alternate:
U of Florida
U of Miami

RMCRHA
C at C Springs

MCRHL
W. Mich
Ball St.

GPCIHL
Illinois
Missouri S&T
Maryville U.

ECRHA
Binghamton
Pittsburgh
Slippery Rock
Alternates:
Drexel
Northeastern

The real question in my opinion is regional parity, I feel as if beyond the SECRHL, WCRHL and ECRHA there most regions have a clear drop off division between the competitive teams and the rest of the region (at least in DII).

Also do we know if the teams in SCHL has gotten any better since last year's nationals? It would be a shame to see a team travel from the southwest to have a repeat of what happened to Stephen F. Austin State last year.

I would say that the SECRHL and WCRHL are the best conferences with the ECRHA a little behind at 3rd.

While the argument can be made that Pitt is a better team than Binghamton, Binghamton won the ECRHA and also got beat handily by the SECRHL's number 2 team ECU 10-2 and 5-1.

Hard to argue that the ECRHA deserves 3 bids when their 1st or 2nd best team doesnt match up at all with the SECRHL's 2nd best team

[NUHockey72]

I would say that the SECRHL and WCRHL are the best conferences with the ECRHA a little behind at 3rd.

While the argument can be made that Pitt is a better team than Binghamton, Binghamton won the ECRHA and also got beat handily by the SECRHL's number 2 team ECU 10-2 and 5-1.

Hard to argue that the ECRHA deserves 3 bids when their 1st or 2nd best team doesnt match up at all with the SECRHL's 2nd best team

This is true which is why those three division are receiving three bids, it really depends upon whether or not the GPICHL recieves 2 or 3 bids this season. If they receive 2 then I think that extra nod goes to the WCRHL in my opinion.

[BEEZERAL]

This is true which is why those three division are receiving three bids, it really depends upon whether or not the GPICHL recieves 2 or 3 bids this season. If they receive 2 then I think that extra nod goes to the WCRHL in my opinion.

obviously I am going to disagree because I want my team to get a bid, but there isnt a DII outside the SECRHL that has played a tougher schedule than, UM, FGCU, and ECU. not only that but the gap between teams 2-4 is almost nothing. In fact the only difference between UM and FGCU is the order of who won the games. FGCU won the game in the Quarterfinals so they get the 3rd bid.

How many teams can say they played 13 games against teams going to Nationals this year

D1 tampa X2
D1 UCF X2
D1 GMU
D2 Bethel X2
D2 FGCU X4
*B UCF X2

For those that don't know UCF B is routinely one of the top B teams in the country and is expected to make the B division final 4 again this year. If they played DII they would be right up there with Bethel, ECU, and FGCU

While it is very unlikely that any conference will get 4 bids, IMO if there is a 4th bid, it should go to the SECRHL

[NUHockey72]

obviously I am going to disagree because I want my team to get a bid, but there isnt a DII outside the SECRHL that has played a tougher schedule than, UM, FGCU, and ECU. not only that but the gap between teams 2-4 is almost nothing. In fact the only difference between UM and FGCU is the order of who won the games. FGCU won the game in the Quarterfinals so they get the 3rd bid

While it is very unlikely that any conference will get 4 bids, IMO if there is a 4th bid, it should go to the SECRHL

Obviously what needs to be done is to expand DII to 24 teams and reduce DI to 16. Joking.

[BEEZERAL]

Obviously what needs to be done is to expand DII to 24 teams and reduce DI to 16. Joking.

Actually what needs to be done is being done.. move up the good DII teams to DI and slowly keep making DII smaller while expanding DI Nationals.

[LstLineOfDfense]

To be completely fair, we went to that interregional with 6 guys. While we weren't missing any top players, we weren't able to roll even 2 lines. I think if we play ECU again, it would be a good game. ECU also got beat bad by Pittsburgh, 9-1, earlier in the season.

[BEEZERAL]

To be completely fair, we went to that interregional with 6 guys. While we weren't missing any top players, we weren't able to roll even 2 lines. I think if we play ECU again, it would be a good game. ECU also got beat bad by Pittsburgh, 9-1, earlier in the season.

While I agree with your point every team can make that argument for any weekend of the season. We played our opening weekend missing 2 top players.

While the ECRHA still has some good DII teams it is no longer the top DII conference in the NCRHA. That title has been passed on to the SECRHL IMO

[LstLineOfDfense]

I didn't get to see enough of SECRHL to pass judgement on the whole conference. But anytime you have Neumann, Brockport, Temple, Rowan, and WCU all move up to D1, of course D2 will get weaker. We'll see at Nationals which conference comes out stronger!

[BEEZERAL]

I didn't get to see enough of SECRHL to pass judgement on the whole conference. But anytime you have Neumann, Brockport, Temple, Rowan, and WCU all move up to D1, of course D2 will get weaker. We'll see at Nationals which conference comes out stronger!

By the way congrats to you guys. My point isnt that you don't deserve to go to Nationals, you guys absolutely do, even if you had lost to Pitt. Im just saying that we could make the argument that the SECRHL deserves a 4th bid over the ECRHA getting a 3rd.

[NUHockey72]

By the way congrats to you guys. My point isnt that you don't deserve to go to Nationals, you guys absolutely do, even if you had lost to Pitt. Im just saying that we could make the argument that the SECRHL deserves a 4th bid over the ECRHA getting a 3rd.

I think it's more along the lines if The SECRHL deserves a 4th bid over the GPICHL and the MCRHL getting 2nd or 3rd bids. I think the ECRHA WCRHL and SECRHL all deserve three bids it's who gets the fourth bid that is up for debate.

[LstLineOfDfense]

By the way congrats to you guys. My point isnt that you don't deserve to go to Nationals, you guys absolutely do, even if you had lost to Pitt. Im just saying that we could make the argument that the SECRHL deserves a 4th bid over the ECRHA getting a 3rd.

I appreciate the congratulations, but I must respectfully disagree. I can't see 3 teams not going from ECRHA. Slippery Rock absolutely deserves to go with us and Pitt.

[sruinline16]

Thank you for the praise. We have worked very hard this year and we deserve to go to nationals. Hopefully we will know shortly...will the bids be posted on the website im assuming?

[BEEZERAL]

I think it's more along the lines if The SECRHL deserves a 4th bid over the GPICHL and the MCRHL getting 2nd or 3rd bids. I think the ECRHA WCRHL and SECRHL all deserve three bids it's who gets the fourth bid that is up for debate.

That's more the point I'm making. But what will probably happen is that the top 3 teams from the secrhl will probably get anywhere from the 2-10 seeds. Miami is just as good as fgcu. The only separation is that fgcu won the game in the elimination round. Is it really that easy to eliminate a team from Nationals that played 13 games against teams going to Nattys and played neck neck games with every one of those teams. All I'm saying is that we have a great argument to say that we are better than the 3rd and 4th seed from the ecrha, the 4th seed from the wcrhl, the third seed from the great plains. No disrespect to teams like slippery rock but when our #2 team blows out your conference champion, and the gap between the 2-4 teams in the secrhl is almost minimal, then I can make the argument that Miami should get selected before slippery rock does. Not saying slippery rock does not deserve to go, but the results show that the secrhl is much stronger than the ecrha this year.

[Bthumme]

There are always teams that deserve to go but don't get the chance.

Since no one on here posts from the midwest, both us and Ball State are very good teams. Many people just look at the standings and see the 10-point difference and assume we are "that" much better than the bottom teams (Wayne State, Depaul, Mich Tech). If you look at ours and Ball State's records you'll see other than maybe one or two blowouts, all the games were relatively close.

I feel confident that us and Ball State can be competitive at regional. BTW, since we were in the d2 "finals" against schoolcraft (JC), we will get the auto-bid over Ball State if anyone is wondering.

Hopefully the rest of the information gets posted soon.


WMU Hockey #50

[sruinline16]

i just dont see them taking miami who went 7-7-1 and lost in the quarterfinals of regionals over teams like slippery rock who went 13-4-1 and made it to the semifinals of regionals

[hockeyjb914]

There are good arguments all around. Slippery Rock only lost to ECU 6-4. They were beating ECU for the first 2 periods of that game and took a 4-3 lead into the 3rd. I would say that those 2 teams are on the same level so if ECU deserves a bid, I feel that Slippery Rock would as well.

[FWKRTJ]

There are always teams that deserve to go but don't get the chance.

Since no one on here posts from the midwest, both us and Ball State are very good teams. Many people just look at the standings and see the 10-point difference and assume we are "that" much better than the bottom teams (Wayne State, Depaul, Mich Tech). If you look at ours and Ball State's records you'll see other than maybe one or two blowouts, all the games were relatively close.

I feel confident that us and Ball State can be competitive at regional. BTW, since we were in the d2 "finals" against schoolcraft (JC), we will get the auto-bid over Ball State if anyone is wondering.

Hopefully the rest of the information gets posted soon.


WMU Hockey #50

Don't say no one from the Midwest lol...

These boards have been pretty dead all the way around this season thus why I haven't posted much.

[BEEZERAL]

Don't say no one from the Midwest lol...

These boards have been pretty dead all the way around this season thus why I haven't posted much.

yea the IRC rankings dying pretty much killed this board

[BEEZERAL]

i just dont see them taking miami who went 7-7-1 and lost in the quarterfinals of regionals over teams like slippery rock who went 13-4-1 and made it to the semifinals of regionals

I honestly think slippery rock deserves to go to Nattys. In my biased opinion I think if it came down to Miami vs Slippery Rock for the 16th bid, we deserve it more based on strength of schedule, and playing in a deeper conference


I dont expect us to get a bid, but my team is good enough to go deep at Nationals

[hockeyjb914]

yea the IRC rankings dying pretty much killed this board

Does anyone know why the IRC rankings stopped this year?

[BEEZERAL]

Does anyone know why the IRC rankings stopped this year?

not at all. maybe the guy who did it graduated or is no longer involved with the league. those rankings were a great conversation piece

[FWKRTJ]

Not that it's a big shock or anything with there being 9 teams, but here's the JC teams going...

•Santa Barbara City College
•West Valley College
•St. Louis Community College
•St. Charles County Community College
•Schoolcraft College
•Suffolk County Community College

[MBurke]

DI is up.

Working on DII now.

[FWKRTJ]

D1 Bids:

•Arizona State
•Brockport
•Buffalo
•Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
•Central Florida
•Central Michigan
•Eastern Michigan
•George Mason
•Lindenwood
•Long Beach State
•Metro State
•Michigan
•Michigan State
•Missouri State
•North Texas
•Ohio State
•Penn State
•Rowan
•Rutgers
•Stony Brook
•Tampa
•UC Santa Barbara
•UM St. Louis (UMSL)
•West Chester

[ISFN]

Curious if the Round Robin format will be the same format as last year or will it revert back to the previously formatted way? Burke?

[hockeykid12]

My only question is and nothing against the other teams here but Uconn gets an alternate bid over a neumann team that beat them 2x and brockport gets in over Neumann who beat them this season. I mean over all it looks like a decent field. I disagree with Stoney Brook and rutgers neither of which are very good teams. But best of luck.
Don't get me wrong the ncrha is the best roller hockey league going, but by selecting brockport and Uconn as alternate they took the oppurtunity to stick it to Neumann who has had the most success besides lindenwood in the league. It's unfortunate that they did that to a program like that. I mean no disrespect to those other two schools. I know Neumann didn't have a great year but they most certainly deserve to be there over brockport and certainly Uconn who they dismantled in both match up this year. Point proven by Ncrha.

Cya in cheese country

[MBurke]

Curious if the Round Robin format will be the same format as last year or will it revert back to the previously formatted way? Burke?

Similar to how DI was last year - we are working on some minor tweaks to give teams a bit more space to move up and down in the bracket as opposed to last year's format while retaining the competitive round-robin matchups we got a lot of good feedback about last year.


My only question is and nothing against the other teams here but Uconn gets an alternate bid over a neumann team that beat them 2x and brockport gets in over Neumann who beat them this season. I mean over all it looks like a decent field. I disagree with Stoney Brook and rutgers neither of which are very good teams. But best of luck.
Cya in cheese country

Based on ECRHA seeding rules decided by team reps before the season (2 points for reg season win, 3 points for postseason win, 1 for a tie), Brockport and UCONN both had more points than Neumann so both of those teams needed to get in before Neumann could be considered for selection.

[hockeykid12]

Understandable the better team doesn't always get in when it's a headed to head match up. Makes for a weaker overall field if that team can't finish in playoffs at regionals but is suppose to compete in a national tournament. At which case why even hold a regional? Sbu rutger Uconn couldn't hold there own within their own regional which just means a national tournament is a better showcase for them... I see that logic.

[CSteamer]

Wow...8 ECRHA teams

[Hockey Coach]

Only 7 in D-1

[sruinline16]

Well DII was just posted and now they went away..

[Bthumme]

Well DII was just posted and now they went away..

Just wanna see this and I can goto bed...

[danglsauce]

D1 shouldn't be like last year. Its too hard to tell how good each team is without every region having contact with each other.

If the NCRHA wants to keep it similar to last year it should probably do something like this. It adds a little more movement but still having competitive games.

Call them what you want but have 3 "conferences" with 2 "divisons" in each made up of the follow seeds.

You play your own division in the round robin. Then you reseed within your conference 1-8, 9-16, 17-24.
This way there is more room for movement. Also, no one plays anyone in their conference again until the quarters.
This is only if 24 teams come.

Conference A
Division 1: 1, 4, 5, 8
Divsion 2: 2, 3, 6, 7

Conference B
Division 1: 9, 12, 13, 16
Division 2: 10, 11, 14, 15

Conference C
Division 1: 17, 20, 21, 24
Division 2: 18, 19, 22, 23

[MBurke]

D1 shouldn't be like last year. Its too hard to tell how good each team is without every region having contact with each other.

If the NCRHA wants to keep it similar to last year it should probably do something like this. It adds a little more movement but still having competitive games.

Call them what you want but have 3 "conferences" with 2 "divisons" in each made up of the follow seeds.

You play your own division in the round robin. Then you reseed within your conference 1-8, 9-16, 17-24.
This way there is more room for movement. Also, no one plays anyone in their conference again until the quarters.
This is only if 24 teams come.

Conference A
Division 1: 1, 4, 5, 8
Divsion 2: 2, 3, 6, 7

Conference B
Division 1: 9, 12, 13, 16
Division 2: 10, 11, 14, 15

Conference C
Division 1: 17, 20, 21, 24
Division 2: 18, 19, 22, 23

Did you hack into my computer? That's almost exactly what we're considering.

[Bthumme]

D2:

* Ball State
* Bethel
* Binghamton
* California (Cal)
* East Carolina
* Florida Gulf Coast
* Illinois
* Missouri S&T
* New Orleans
* Pittsburgh
* Slippery Rock
* Texas Tech
* UC Colorado Springs
* UC Santa Cruz
* USC
* Western Michigan

Alternates

* Denver
* Miami (FL)
* Sonoma State
* Stephen F. Austin

[MBurke]

Well DII was just posted and now they went away..

DII Reposted.

I hit 'save' by accident before we had alternates finalized. Sorry guys.

[danglsauce]

Did you hack into my computer? That's almost exactly what we're considering.

No but I did ask the regional schedule to change to help 5 and 6 seeds and that changed. (I know travel was also being considered)

[ECUHockey]

Congrats to everyone who received a bid. The improvement in our team from my Freshmen year to now is just mind blowing. See you all in WI!

-Chris

[BEEZERAL]

D2:

* Ball State
* Bethel
* Binghamton
* California (Cal)
* East Carolina
* Florida Gulf Coast
* Illinois
* Missouri S&T
* New Orleans
* Pittsburgh
* Slippery Rock
* Texas Tech
* UC Colorado Springs
* UC Santa Cruz
* USC
* Western Michigan

Alternates

* Denver
* Miami (FL)
* Sonoma State
* Stephen F. Austin

really Denver and New Orleans over us??? wow.......

[avesfan19]

really Denver and New Orleans over us??? wow.......


Beezeral, you guys have a decent team when you decide to show up to play. No disrespect, but you guys lose your temper way too easily and do not know how to stay out of the box during tight games. Losing to a 'B' team does not help your argument, but also have some quality wins over some good teams and close games with DI teams. You guys would probably would do well at nationals but that's the way it goes when your on the bubble. Overall Regionals was the main factor of you guys not making it. Clearly you, FGCU, ECU and Bethel are the top four teams and it is unfortunate that ECU gets a free ride to the finals and knocks a quality team out of a national bid, by forcing 2 of the best teams to play in the first elimination round, but again that's the way it goes sometimes...

[FWKRTJ]

So excited to be going! After going 6-43 my first three years with the club (with 3 of those wins being via forefit), it's so thrilling to be going to Nationals finally!

[BEEZERAL]

Beezeral, you guys have a decent team when you decide to show up to play. No disrespect, but you guys lose your temper way too easily and do not know how to stay out of the box during tight games. Losing to a 'B' team does not help your argument, but also have some quality wins over some good teams and close games with DI teams. You guys would probably would do well at nationals but that's the way it goes when your on the bubble. Overall Regionals was the main factor of you guys not making it. Clearly you, FGCU, ECU and Bethel are the top four teams and it is unfortunate that ECU gets a free ride to the finals and knocks a quality team out of a national bid, by forcing 2 of the best teams to play in the first elimination round, but again that's the way it goes sometimes...

Most of the teams going to DII nationals would lose to UCF B. they are widely known as one of the best B teams in the country. I knew we would be a long shot because of losing in the Quarter finals to FGCU, but to be behind 2 teams from the weakest conferences in the country is a joke. The SECRHL has the first or 2nd best DII division in the country and if we would have gotten beaten out by a 4th team from the WCHL I would have been fine with it. But to be behind 2 teams from weak conferences is just terrible.

We toyed with the 2nd best D1 team from the SCHL but in the selection committe's mind we are not better than the 2nd best team in D2? are you kidding me???

[GoRangrHky]

Understandable the better team doesn't always get in when it's a headed to head match up. Makes for a weaker overall field if that team can't finish in playoffs at regionals but is suppose to compete in a national tournament. At which case why even hold a regional? Sbu rutger Uconn couldn't hold there own within their own regional which just means a national tournament is a better showcase for them... I see that logic.

First off, here's the same thing I posted before and you I guess didn't read http://www.inlinehockeycentral.com/showthread.php?34767-Ecrha-national-predictions&p=67704#post67704

And what are saying means is that one bad weekend doesn't keep you out of nationals. Like if UConn loses to Depaul today, do you keep them out of the NCAA tournament?

[hockeykid12]

No but sometimes you need to look at thR bigger picture and you can't say that Uconn bport or sbu is a better team than Neumann, I read your post, overall picture is Neumann played wcu Rowan rutgers 3x while sbu n bport n Uconn had overall easier schedules. My biggest disagreement is with bport n Uconn getting consideration over them. Bport is a good team and should b decent out there. Sometimes things need to be considered other than points. Sbu will prolly not win a game out there, rutgers is overrated as many have said before. But we all know Lu will take it all.. Almost less than a goal a game given up

[GoRangrHky]

You CAN'T take that into consideration. Those are the rules that every DI team in the ECRHA agreed and voted on in the beginning of the season. You can't just go and change the rules now because it didn't work out in someone's favor. There's a very specific reasoning for it that dates back to the 2006 season when BU basically cost the ECRHA several bids at nationals by of all things playing too well at regionals.

[hockeykid12]

Mburke aren't you the one that told Neumann Sunday morning that they could hit the rink when ever they were ready in the locker room? Then they got a delay of game penalty to start the game with no warm up and on the penalty kill? Wierddddd

What was the Perks of moving d2 teams to d1 if 7 am playoff games were still being used??

[BEEZERAL]

Mburke aren't you the one that told Neumann Sunday morning that they could hit the rink when ever they were ready in the locker room? Then they got a delay of game penalty to start the game with no warm up and on the penalty kill? Wierddddd

What was the Perks of moving d2 teams to d1 if 7 am playoff games were still being used??

try playing in the SECRHL. we got a penalty because a guy in the penalty box opened the door to early in the ref's estimation

[GoRangrHky]

Mburke aren't you the one that told Neumann Sunday morning that they could hit the rink when ever they were ready in the locker room? Then they got a delay of game penalty to start the game with no warm up and on the penalty kill? Wierddddd

What was the Perks of moving d2 teams to d1 if 7 am playoff games were still being used??

Because otherwise they'd finish at about 5pm on Sunday, and believe it or not, some teams actually have to worry about travel. How would you have scheduled it?

[uconnhockey1]

They could have gone to 8 teams for Division 1, but if I'm not mistaken, you all voted to do 10 teams, regardless of the late/early game times.

If there were 8 teams, Neumann wouldn't have even gone to regionals.

[BEEZERAL]

They could have gone to 8 teams for Division 1, but if I'm not mistaken, you all voted to do 10 teams, regardless of the late/early game times.

If there were 8 teams, Neumann wouldn't have even gone to regionals.

the simple solution is that you make every good DII team play DI starting next year, reduce the DII nationals to 10 teams and increase the DI Nationals to 36 teams

[uconnhockey1]

OK, but we are talking about what happened at the ECRHA regional event.

[BEEZERAL]

OK, but we are talking about what happened at the ECRHA regional event.

Trust me, I feel your pain, my team just missed a bid as well. And there is one team that got a bid and one team that is the 1st alternate that are a joke compared to our team. they didnt play a good team all year and if they did, they lost. They also play in the two worst conferences in the NCRHA

[NUHockey72]

Trust me, I feel your pain, my team just missed a bid as well. And there is one team that got a bid and one team that is the 1st alternate that are a joke compared to our team. they didnt play a good team all year and if they did, they lost. They also play in the two worst conferences in the NCRHA

There's no real sense in being bitter, if you wanted to be at nationals for sure you should have won your region. We beat Slippery Rock during the season but we didn't deliver in the regional playoffs, thus we didn't make it to nationals. Those SCHL and RMCRHA teams have just as much of a right to play at nationals as any other team in the nation does.

[MBurke]

Mburke aren't you the one that told Neumann Sunday morning that they could hit the rink when ever they were ready in the locker room? Then they got a delay of game penalty to start the game with no warm up and on the penalty kill? Wierddddd

What was the Perks of moving d2 teams to d1 if 7 am playoff games were still being used??

What I meant was explained at length to your coach as well following the game after he escorted the few players shouting obscenities and flipping the bird back into the locker room, but I'll explain here again. If you want to discuss further, we can do it via email.

At 6:51, I set the clock to 9:00 and started it while both Rowan and Neumann were dressing. Both teams were advised that they could hit the rink as soon as they were ready, meaning they would get more than the allotted 3:00 of warmup time dictated by the rule book, not that the game would wait for them to dress at their pace. This was done as a 'favor' since it was such an early AM elimination game - I figured people would want to be able to warm their legs up a bit before an important game. Per NCRHA rules, the game starts on the hour and warmup time precedes the scheduled game time - meaning 6:57-7:00 would be normal warmup time.

Most of Rowan's players took the rink with 5:00 or so remaining in warmups. The buzzer sounded at the end of the 9:00 and Neumann still didn't come out of the locker room. 5:00 more was placed up on the clock by the box official (NCRHA forfeit time), and Neumann still didn't take the floor until about three minutes later.

As for the "perks", early AM games were dictated by the regionals schedule the teams chose. DI elected to take 10 teams to regionals instead of our usual 8 (Neumann was the #9 seed), each playing 4 round-robin games in their five team pools with the top 3 from each pool advancing to the elimination round. With teams playing up to seven games on the weekend, there simply was no other way to get the games in and finish at a reasonable (and safe) time on Sunday with the format that was chosen.

[dan sangiorgio]

Nationals are not meant for .500 teams there is no point in crying about being on the wrong side of the bubble because honestly if you were the 24th team or the 25th you have no chance at being a contender or making a deep run if you happen to sneak in to the field. Neumann should be happy with there season considering there team lost 2 of 3 players that carried them the whole year. considering the change of competion it was a better then Expected result.With atleast 2 really good top tier players coming in, neumanns outlook for next season looks good if they can retain there core and improve there goaltending situation they might be regional favorites next year and in return make there first d1 nationals trip worthwhile. Good luck to all those who got a bid

[BEEZERAL]

There's no real sense in being bitter, if you wanted to be at nationals for sure you should have won your region. We beat Slippery Rock during the season but we didn't deliver in the regional playoffs, thus we didn't make it to nationals. Those SCHL and RMCRHA teams have just as much of a right to play at nationals as any other team in the nation does.

Really. New Orleans and Denver played 13 games against teams going to nationals? they played in the deepest D2 division in the country? They played against top D1 teams. Yes I'm bitter. There isn't a DII team in the country that can say they played as tough of a schedule.

[ilovecollege]

i dont ever think ive seen someone psychotically cry about not making it to something. put a tampon in big stuff.

[BEEZERAL]

i dont ever think ive seen someone psychotically cry about not making it to something. put a tampon in big stuff.

Hey. Great job at regionals. You guys got mercied how mNy times??? O wait. You don't play for USC. You just like supporting terrible teams

[ECUHockey]

There isn't a DII team in the country that can say they played as tough of a schedule.

Speak for yourself champ. Us and FGCU played just as a difficult of a schedule if not harder.

[BEEZERAL]

Speak for yourself champ. Us and FGCU played just as a difficult of a schedule if not harder.

You have a point. But we played more quality opponents than fgcu. That being said both you and fgcu deserve to be at Nattys and I will be rooting for both you guys to get farther than bethel. I was more comparing our schedule to ones from teams in other conferences.

[hockeykid12]

Burke im not Neumann member. Sorry to come across rude. Sang who do they got coming?

[ECUHockey]

Ah ok. I apologize for coming across rudley. Thanks for the compliment.

[hockeykid12]

Also sang when was the last time u actually saw a Neumann game? 2 years?

[cruejonesisrad]

beezeral holy crap all you've been doing is crying. We've had the hardest schedule "I'm sad about our schedule", "if we played to our potential we could win games". You couldn't beat a first year team who was in awe of playing against yall. Too bad yall have bad attitudes we probably could have been friends lol. See you at Natty's, or not :(

[BEEZERAL]

beezeral holy crap all you've been doing is crying. We've had the hardest schedule "I'm sad about our schedule", "if we played to our potential we could win games". You couldn't beat a first year team who was in awe of playing against yall. Too bad yall have bad attitudes we probably could have been friends lol. See you at Natty's, or not :(

im just going to ignore the troll from bethel. there is a reason every team in the SECRHL regardless of division can't stand you

[ilovecollege]

im just going to ignore the troll from bethel. there is a reason every team in the SECRHL regardless of division can't stand you

theres a reason everyone in the SECRHL thinks you are a retard too big boy. and i dont talk big game about my team because i know we suck. you on the other hand think you are the best ever. period. at least when people hate bethel they are dirty. you guys didn't produce all season and are clearly the 4th best out of the secrhl. have fun sitting at home with the rest of us!

time to move on...

[Knights41]

Neumann had an overall solid year being it's first in d1. As for next season we won't be counting players until school starts, but if things fall in order we should field a very good team with high expectations. Best of luck to those at nationals.
Sang I am curious when your last Neumann game you saw to critique players on our team.

[cdolan]

Honestly, if you're a bubble team, or in this case, a team that didn't make it, would you really want to go? Traveling across the country to lose a bunch isn't my idea of fun.

[cruejonesisrad]

first of all all we hear from other teams is hope yall beat miami and we have a few guys that trash talk that need to stop but yall wont all you try to do is bash bethel sorry we got backed by our school and its not like we recruited outta this world players just got some decent guys that play hard. No excuses yall couldn't beat us we kept our heads both games and yall lost yours. I'm tired of being bash by people who don't know anything about me. Most schools are mad because of the scholarship issue. Jealous? I'm not, I'm glad for the opportunity to go to school i've worked to hard and spent too many months in Iraq to waste an opportunity. You know yall probably are better then those schools that got picked over yall but yall had a chance it didn't happen this year and it sucks maybe next year will be better. But your crying isn't going to change the fact yall didnt't make it this year.

[cdolan]

first of all all we hear from other teams is hope yall beat miami and we have a few guys that trash talk that need to stop but yall wont all you try to do is bash bethel sorry we got backed by our school and its not like we recruited outta this world players just got some decent guys that play hard. No excuses yall couldn't beat us we kept our heads both games and yall lost yours. I'm tired of being bash by people who don't know anything about me. Most schools are mad because of the scholarship issue. Jealous? I'm not, I'm glad for the opportunity to go to school i've worked to hard and spent too many months in Iraq to waste an opportunity. You know yall probably are better then those schools that got picked over yall but yall had a chance it didn't happen this year and it sucks maybe next year will be better. But your crying isn't going to change the fact yall didnt't make it this year.

Punctuation is awesome.

[cruejonesisrad]

I'm sorry I didn't realize this was for a grade.

[cdolan]

It's not. Just hard to read.

[BEEZERAL]

first of all all we hear from other teams is hope yall beat miami and we have a few guys that trash talk that need to stop but yall wont all you try to do is bash bethel sorry we got backed by our school and its not like we recruited outta this world players just got some decent guys that play hard. No excuses yall couldn't beat us we kept our heads both games and yall lost yours. I'm tired of being bash by people who don't know anything about me. Most schools are mad because of the scholarship issue. Jealous? I'm not, I'm glad for the opportunity to go to school i've worked to hard and spent too many months in Iraq to waste an opportunity. You know yall probably are better then those schools that got picked over yall but yall had a chance it didn't happen this year and it sucks maybe next year will be better. But your crying isn't going to change the fact yall didnt't make it this year.

You realize it is against ncrha rules to be on an athletic scholarship??? Your grammar skills show you obviously are not on an academic scholarship

[cruejonesisrad]

ya sorry i'll try better next time im not trying to be a smart@S$ but that dude is really just a poor sport. I know some of the guys on my team (bethel) talk tough and stuff but this league in general with the exception of a few teams just likes to chirp. I have no hard feelings towards any of the teams I'm just excited to be apart of the league.

[dan sangiorgio]

Last game i saw was last years regional loss to dub c. Know enough of the key players to gauge there talent without really seeing this year. They obviously became a more balanced team like in years past Compared to last season which is better for a program in the long run. Campanoro and youmans are headed to Neumann next year atleast that is what I hear from Klenk and marriotti who are over in Italy with them now.

[cruejonesisrad]

why are you so angry??? 3 question mark guy.

[avesfan19]

You realize it is against ncrha rules to be on an athletic scholarship??? Your grammar skills show you obviously are not an academic scholarship

Watch the 2010 NCRHA promotional video. The whole 7th minute and more they talk about stuff that Bethel is doing, they also say they hope schools catch on this and it continues to grow. Such as, scholarships, trainers, support from the school etc. It is funny how it is "illegal," but they are promoting it at the same time. Just because you are bitter because you did not make nationals, does not mean you have to turn your bitterness on another team that is helping the sport grow.

[cruejonesisrad]

Sounds like another win for the avesfan

[Knights41]

Yeah that is who we hope come a long with zuback. But we don't want to count it until it's all certain in the fall..

But yeah Neumann needs to get a goalie...:/ (sarcasm).
You just dont like the goalie we have.

[dan sangiorgio]

Like has nothing to do with talent in fact at times I disliked Corey Cramer a player I grew up with but talent he had so I would still always back him as a teammate. Neumann vs central Michigan sums up my thoughts on Neumann goaltending where really the options were not good either way. and not a single Neumann player from that team would disagree with me.

[Knights41]

That central Michigan game can't solely be put on the goalie we got steam rolled as a team. Nobody played even an average game that morning.

Some would say without the option they had they wouldn't even have been in that game.

[dan sangiorgio]

If you say so. I am not really gonna debate it anymore it's not really fair to slam him on the public boards or highjack this thread but that game certainly can't be blamed on neumanns big guns they still played very well in that game besides the fact Klenk hit a million post that game marriotti Jon don and Klenk And tommy Lamont played out of there mind to get Neumann back in that game to only watch more then a few squeak by that prolly shouldn't have. If u want to say Neumann choosing to run and gun with only playing three d Was part of the problem also I'll agree but poor play wasn't really it.

[Knights41]

Claw back from a 3-1 deficit to have 4 straight scored on ya after tying the game from odd man rushes? Also billy, mariotti, lamont and cras were oir 4 D which were rolled te whole game, the problem was a lack of a second line that year offensively. But yeah your right let's just drop it.
It's over and useless to argue with someone who rode on the coat tails of a great player for 4 years himself while at Neumann. I think our grandmoms could have put up good numbers playing with Scotto.

Back to nationals...

Rowan will do well along with wcu, I'd like to see an umsl v wcu game would be interesting.

[dan sangiorgio]

Yep in fact I let vic hold my stick while we out on the rink because he was better off playing for the both of us. I am gussin u must in fact be dumont himself And a shot from a scrub like u means nothing. Your were a joke as a useless back up when I was on the team and more of a chump when u got to be starter. I am pretty sure I can ask vic when I ride his coattails tommorow in mens league what he thought about ur performance since he was your coach . Do I honestly need to come down to pa Jimmy because this time I will hit you even if You refuse to put your hands Up in fight like last time when I should u how tough u aren't. So u best let sleepin dogs lie before u get yourself hurt

[Knights41]

Talk about not high jacking a thread...how bout ya bring down the skates and hit the rink. I was a freshman when I rode the bench. This is the stupidest posts over the last like 10 posts lets get them deleted.
I never had a problem with you, you just couldnt take a joke...
Back to nationals...

[BarSouthern24]

Arent we in 2011... Were talking about like 4 years ago when neumann had a solid team if im not mistaken.. Pointless argument for this thread

[GET1LL]

What I meant was explained at length to your coach as well following the game after he escorted the few players shouting obscenities and flipping the bird back into the locker room, but I'll explain here again. If you want to discuss further, we can do it via email.

At 6:51, I set the clock to 9:00 and started it while both Rowan and Neumann were dressing. Both teams were advised that they could hit the rink as soon as they were ready, meaning they would get more than the allotted 3:00 of warmup time dictated by the rule book, not that the game would wait for them to dress at their pace. This was done as a 'favor' since it was such an early AM elimination game - I figured people would want to be able to warm their legs up a bit before an important game. Per NCRHA rules, the game starts on the hour and warmup time precedes the scheduled game time - meaning 6:57-7:00 would be normal warmup time.

Most of Rowan's players took the rink with 5:00 or so remaining in warmups. The buzzer sounded at the end of the 9:00 and Neumann still didn't come out of the locker room. 5:00 more was placed up on the clock by the box official (NCRHA forfeit time), and Neumann still didn't take the floor until about three minutes later.

As for the "perks", early AM games were dictated by the regionals schedule the teams chose. DI elected to take 10 teams to regionals instead of our usual 8 (Neumann was the #9 seed), each playing 4 round-robin games in their five team pools with the top 3 from each pool advancing to the elimination round. With teams playing up to seven games on the weekend, there simply was no other way to get the games in and finish at a reasonable (and safe) time on Sunday with the format that was chosen.

I had saw the game when neumanns whole team had entered the floor only 4 players from rowan were actually on the floor while rowan players followed. I also notice you say you gave them more time to warm up, neumann i think needs more time to mentally prepare than warm, also why wouldnt someone of you ranking within the ecrha explain to them the have more time to warm up, however if not out with in the specified time the would be penalized...i mean the kids showed up to the rink at 630am but yet previously left the rink at about 12am the previous night, after hosing Uconn. All in all i thought it was a joke on the ecrha's part and the obscene language which is a problem (ive realized that neumann has that problem) is nothing more than the kids feelings for the game. All in all i think neumann got jibbed in that game however they played well against the regional champs(Rowan) Also i saw rowans coach yelling at ref's agreeing with neumann? Kinda funny huh?

[Knights41]

That's basically what happened getill, but mr. Jones was great about it and did argue with the ref that he didn't want the penalty called on Neumann. The language was a problem but it was out of frustration about the situation. It was poor poor communication on the league part. I know for fact that we actually got to the rink before Rowan actually got there. What is done is done. Neumann has a lot of respect for mr.jones and rowan

[GSJaguars11]

the refs didnt blow a whistle to signify that warmups were over or anything. we had some guys on the floor and a backup goalie and all of a sudden it was time to drop the puck. its not like the refs were waiting in the penalty box for neumann. they showed up and called a penalty. no warning. no whistle. nothing. I thought the refs weren't supposed to control the outcome of the game? so unnecessary. They were fully dressed and ready just not out there. coulda been handled in 15 seconds.

[BarSouthern24]

When the other team agrees thats a problem to prove that this league is a huge joke. With the league giving no consideration for Neumann at all after setting them up practically the worst schedule of the regional the day before. Not for nothing a quarterfinal game at 7 a.m. in the morning, TO START WITH A PENALTY AGAINST THE REGIONAL CHAMPS!!!! When Neumann's been contributing to this league for years now there has to be some seniority about the situation. I just cant IMAGINE if that clock ran out and they gave them the forfeit because of the horrible communication an ECRHA staff that really screwed them to start the game. And when confronted about the situation was quivering in his boot because he knew that he was totally WRONG.

[GoRangrHky]

First off, as was previously stated, if it weren't for this schedule, Neumann wouldn't even be AT regionals. Don't want to play a late game? Do better in your pool.

Second, read the damn rules. I know full well that my team has to be out there and ready to go at the top of the hour. Look at any NCAA sport- if the team is not on the field/ rink/ court and ready to go when the buzzer sounds, it's a penalty. They don't care what game it is. I have never heard anyone go "oh, we'll wait for you guys, come out here when you're good and ready." Ever. Maybe it's because I coach a B team that literally has the first game every single weekend.

If the Rowan coach REALLY wanted to not have them take the penalty, he would have instructed his player to stand there with the puck for two minutes. Or just put three guys on the rink. Clearly that didn't happen.

And finally, are you expecting someone from the ECRHA to stand there in their locker room and tell them when they can go on the rink? The refs didn't control the outcome of the game- the team that fails to understand the rules did.

[GoRangrHky]

When the other team agrees thats a problem to prove that this league is a huge joke.

And a huge joke? Go find me an inline hockey league (and don't give me some once a year tournament) that is better organized and managed than the ECRHA.

[Knights41]

Gorngerhockey- we all see your view point on the matter and like most other things Neumann related they are negative. The whole board gets it so ya could lighten up a bit, it's roller hockey.
And it would be more than valid if a buzzer had actually went off to signal the start of the game.
This would not even be a matter of discussion if it had not been the first game of thR day. that is probably the only game that could start on time.

Everyone knows Ecrha likes to keep a tight schedule, it is very apparent when our last game at 10 saturday didn't start until close to 11....

The Ecrha is ran great with the exception of that little mistake made Sunday morning, but it's over with.

[uconnhockey1]

Seriously. How is this still an issue? The league accommodated more teams, which everyone agreed on, full well knowing the schedule for DI would be jam packed with games.

How hard is it to show up and be on time for a 7 AM game? I don't care that you played at night...pretty much all of the other teams did, everyone knew the schedule was going to be like this when the teams voted to have 10 teams in the playoffs. Give me a break. The league does not revolve around when YOU are good and ready.

[Knights41]

Uconn- it's still being talked about because people keep chiming in on it...,

The problem was not getting there thE problem came when:
1. Burke came into the locker room and said "come out whenever you guys are ready"
2. No buzzer to signal the game or end of warm up time.

If everyone would drop adding opinions on it we could just drop it.

[uconnhockey1]

Well put, Knights. It should just be dropped.

[danglsauce]

Burke came into the West Chester and Buffalo locker rooms and said go out whenever so you can get a better warm-up. That doesn't mean come out late. Everyone else understood. There was a warm-up clock on rink 2 counting down to the start of the game. Was there one on rink 3?

[BarSouthern24]

Well i think.. Burke should of stayed out of everybody's locker room in my opinion then i don't even think there would be a huge discussion about this whole thing and a mix up on what happen.

[Knights41]

What Burke said to us is in my last post. This is beating a dead horse. Neumann went out with 3:41 left on the clock. Nobody was told that was the forfeit timer.

[Bthumme]

So what was the coverage like last year for nationals?

Was there any video/radio broadcasts online of the game?

I know the acha finals are going on right now, and all their national championship games are being videocast online, for free (thanks to a sponsor), and the quality is really good. What are the chances this could happen for Madison?

[GoRangrHky]

I know in the past there have been online radio feeds of games that were quite good.

[ECUHockey]

Last year there were also video feeds as well from one of the rinks.

[socalhockey]

Congratulations to Long Beach State, Arizona State, Cal Poly SLO and UC Santa Barbara on qualifying for Nationals. This seasons D1 division was by far the most competitive season ever in the WCRHL. The talent level throughout this division is nothing short of amazing.

Good Luck at Nationals guys!

Go West Coast!!!!!!

[warwick]

gee, thats a surprise. the league screwing with neumann. they have been doing it at least since october 2004 and prolly before that.

[ECUHockey]

So when should we find out about pools and seeds?

[GoRangrHky]

Once everyone sends in their deposits, most likely.

[FWKRTJ]

I remember listening to some Grand Valley games a few years back...the radio quality (if they use the same thing they did then) was quite good actually along with the commentator.

[BEEZERAL]

Looks like my team is officially done for the season. Good luck to those going to nationals. Only time will tell if I made a fool of myself this week or if I was right

[BEEZERAL]

9-7 Denver goes to Nattys as Colorado springs drops out.

[GMULensing7]

good luck to everyone at nationals. George Mason will not be attending because half the team is either broke or in debt. beezeral...yes the DII south is tough, but you have to do well at regionals to go to nationals. we lost the championship game twice (double elimination) in overtime. because of that we get no money to go to nationals, so we cant go. so yea it sucks being snubbed for the second straight year, but it happens, you should use it as motivation, not bitterness.

as for D1 i think the east is obviously solid like usual but the south could surprise this year. Tampa is of course one of the most skilled teams out there and UCF is probably the best man to man defensive team we played all season. plus number 9 is just...disgusting. i thought neumann was one of the best teams we played all year besides rowan and west chester even though we beat them without arguably our best player and the person that sets our tempo. but i feel like they should have been picked. but idk who would get knocked out, its just too bad that the east is so stacked and even.

as prediction wise i haven't seen LU or UMSL or any west coast teams so i cant talk for them. Ohio State and MSU looked dirty at an inter-regional so i think they could go far. if rowan can pick up their defense and their second line plays steady then they can go far too. should be good, sad GMU has to miss it. good luck to everyone and see you all next year

[FWKRTJ]

Does your school not give you any money at all? I know we don't get a lot, but we do get some. Did you consider fundraising or asking parents? You can find money if you try in my opinion.

[GMULensing7]

Does your school not give you any money at all? I know we don't get a lot, but we do get some. Did you consider fundraising or asking parents? You can find money if you try in my opinion.

we do fundraise, its just we didnt get any more money from the school so we had to pick up our b teams league fee ourself...we are having trouble going even for the year minus nationals. i think i remember you saying that you were going for the first year. its like 600 bucks a person to go. no one has that on our team. but if i did have it i would go, cause nationals is awesome. one of the best tournaments you will ever play in.

[FWKRTJ]

Sorry to hear your school won't help out. Some schools are like that I guess. Fortunately for us, our school is being kind enough to give us a portion of our entry fee. The other thing that works in our favor is that we are close enough to drive so we don't have to worry about flying. So I guess I can see where that really benefits teams that are close by in contrast to teams like yourself that are more likely to fly and raise costs.

[GoRangrHky]

Road trip it. Yeah it's a long drive, and yeah it's not exactly a fun trip, but it's ultimately worth it.

[hockybum26]

Sorry to hear your school won't help out. Some schools are like that I guess. Fortunately for us, our school is being kind enough to give us a portion of our entry fee. The other thing that works in our favor is that we are close enough to drive so we don't have to worry about flying. So I guess I can see where that really benefits teams that are close by in contrast to teams like yourself that are more likely to fly and raise costs.

how much did your school give you? ours didnt give us anything except one team fees dues for the season and nothing for nationals which is why we arent going

[GoRangrHky]

One thing that kills me about hockey players (not just specifically you guys) is that they KNOW that there's a cost associated with playing, yet don't prepare for it.

if you think your team has even the slightest chance of making it to nationals that year, start saving in September. Don't wait until March and go "oh crap, you mean it's going to cost us something to get there??" Assume that you're going to get nothing and play it that way. if you know a trip like that is going to cost you ~$900 a guy, you have to save less than $20 a week for a year. Start putting away for it now! I'd say it's a lot more fun to have some random kegger at someone's house one night and blow all your money that way, but I'm pretty sure that I'm going to remember every single trip to nationals I made, while (for one reason or another...) I don't remember what I did the weekends on the years we didn't go, because honestly NOTHING will ever be the same.

This is what a tiny little portion of the league is about- learning just enough responsibility for what you have to do to use later on in life. The best part about saving all that money is that maybe next year the games are in your regions, or maybe the school gives you some money, or maybe you come up with a sick fundraiser and make half of your cost back. And then you have a big ol' pile of money to set on fire or something.

[GMULensing7]

One thing that kills me about hockey players (not just specifically you guys) is that they KNOW that there's a cost associated with playing, yet don't prepare for it.

if you think your team has even the slightest chance of making it to nationals that year, start saving in September. Don't wait until March and go "oh crap, you mean it's going to cost us something to get there??" Assume that you're going to get nothing and play it that way. if you know a trip like that is going to cost you ~$900 a guy, you have to save less than $20 a week for a year. Start putting away for it now! I'd say it's a lot more fun to have some random kegger at someone's house one night and blow all your money that way, but I'm pretty sure that I'm going to remember every single trip to nationals I made, while (for one reason or another...) I don't remember what I did the weekends on the years we didn't go, because honestly NOTHING will ever be the same.

This is what a tiny little portion of the league is about- learning just enough responsibility for what you have to do to use later on in life. The best part about saving all that money is that maybe next year the games are in your regions, or maybe the school gives you some money, or maybe you come up with a sick fundraiser and make half of your cost back. And then you have a big ol' pile of money to set on fire or something.

couldnt agree with you more. except its easier said than done. we went to nationals last year and still are feeling the financial toll of it now. but yea, we should have been saving and fundraising before the season started, which is what we are doing this year. and yea i know nationals is amazing, you act like we are fine with just sitting at home and not going when it is the exact opposite. last year nationals was unbelievable and anyone that goes knows that. but yea, we are putting away now so that not only can we have those random keggers, but we can also go to nationals next year. and maybe have a kegger at nationals...Metro state of denver :)

[FWKRTJ]

how much did your school give you? ours didnt give us anything except one team fees dues for the season and nothing for nationals which is why we arent going

Our school gave us 75% of our league fees. They haven't told me how much they'll give us for Nationals but when I talked to the guy in charge of it he said we would definitely get something.

[Hockey Coach]

What University are you from FWKRTJ ?

GMU - Get in the University Van, just drive there. Ask the Basketball Team to throw some dollars your way. Sleep in tents, just get there !

[FWKRTJ]

Ball State

[Ben Lambert]

I predict a GP Sweep:

Lindenwood takes D1,
Missouri S&T will take D2,
StLCC will take JC
And LU Gold will take B.

I'm totally not biased

[islanderfan]

I predict a GP Sweep:

Lindenwood takes D1,
Missouri S&T will take D2,
StLCC will take JC
And LU Gold will take B.

I'm totally not biased

I agree totally. first time ever ;-)

[sruinline16]

Slippery Rock gave us $1,550 which covered rental of vans and 500/800 for registration. We are working on fundraising the rest.

[LstLineOfDfense]

Slippery Rock gave us $1,550 which covered rental of vans and 500/800 for registration. We are working on fundraising the rest.

Glad to hear it. Binghamton isn't giving us ****.

[GMULensing7]

if you do take a van or rent a van at nationals you should take out the back seat and bring it into the hotel room and make someone sleep on it. that way you can cram 5 people into a room, maybe 6 if someone brings an air mattress. we did that last nationals. it sucked to sleep on the back seat but if everyone takes a turn its not too bad. just a suggestion for the people going

[GoRangrHky]

... or just ask for a roll out mattress.

[GMULensing7]

... or just ask for a roll out mattress.

Some hotels don't have them. Ours didn't

[Bthumme]

Brackets Are Out. No schedules though. Dunno if this should get a new thread or not. But ill copy and paste them here

[Bthumme]

D1:

Pool A
Lindenwood
Arizona State
Rowan
Central Michigan

Pool B
Michigan State
Missouri State
Penn State
Long Beach State

Pool C
Central Florida
UC Santa Barbara
Ohio State
Rutgers


Pool D
North Texas
West Chester
Buffalo
Tampa

Pool E Seed
Metro State - Denver
Eastern Michigan
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
Brockport

Pool F Seed
Stony Brook
UMSL
Michigan
Connecticut

[Bthumme]

D2:


Pool A
Pittsburgh
Missouri S&T
USC
East Carolina


Pool B
California
Bethel University
Illinois
Slippery Rock


Pool C
Binghamton
Ball State
UC Santa Cruz
New Orleans

Pool D
Western Michigan
Florida Gulf Coast
Texas Tech
Denver

[Bthumme]

JC - No Brackets

B

Pool A
Lindenwood Gold
Michigan State B
Central Florida
Saddleback College Gold

Pool B
West Chester
Arizona State
St. Charles CC
Central Michigan B

Pool C
Metro State - Denver Red
Suffolk CC
North Texas
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Gold

[LstLineOfDfense]

D2:


Pool A
Pittsburgh
Missouri S&T
USC
East Carolina


Pool B
California
Bethel University
Illinois
Slippery Rock


Pool C
Binghamton
Ball State
UC Santa Cruz
New Orleans

Pool D
Western Michigan
Florida Gulf Coast
Texas Tech
Denver

Any idea on what the bracket layout after pool play is?

[ECUHockey]

Any idea how they came up with these pools?

[LstLineOfDfense]

Any idea how they came up with these pools? Not exactly evenly distributed.

My guess would be random. We drew a pretty good pool. You guys have a tough one...

[ECUHockey]

My guess would be random. We drew a pretty good pool. You guys have a tough one...

Yeah. Not exactly thrilled with our pool. Ha

[Bthumme]

From the looks of it, I think, in the order of teams listed, are seeds. For example the top teams in each brackets were conference winners I think (at least in D2). It seems to then be spread out evenly.

Last year i think everyone played their pool then got reseeded 1-16 based on the results. But I have no idea. That's my guess.

[ECUHockey]

Wouldn't a reseed 1-16 not be even for the conference winners pool? I'm curious to see how this will be done. MBurke any insight?

[MBurke]

Wouldn't a reseed 1-16 not be fair for the conference winners pool? I'm curious to see how this will be done.

Once the brackets come out it will make a little more sense as to who advances where. It's similar to how DI ran last year, but with a little more flexibility. The idea is to give everyone competitive round robin games prior to the elimination round.

It's not a complete 1-16 reseed, more like a 1-8 and 9-16 in two different 'tiers'. That's why two pools appear much stronger overall than the other two.

[ECUHockey]

Thanks for clearing that up Mike.

-Chris

[Bthumme]

But to clarify we do play the other three teams in our pool correct?

[GSJaguars11]

It's not a complete 1-16 reseed, more like a 1-8 and 9-16 in two different 'tiers'. That's why two pools appear much stronger overall than the other two.

is that how d1 is going this year? or is it same as last year

[MBurke]

But to clarify we do play the other three teams in our pool correct?

Correct. Another nice byproduct of this format is that you're guaranteed not to see another team from your pool until later in the bracket (quarters or semis I think)


is that how d1 is going this year? or is it same as last year

Same idea, but three tiers - as an example, if Lindenwood went 0-3 they could fall all the way to #8 for the elimination round whereas they could only fall to #4 last year.

[FWKRTJ]

So essentially, being the top team in the lower 2 pools (#9) means you get to play the worst team from the top two brackets (#8) based on their pool play...?

[cdolan]

So essentially, being the top team in the lower 2 pools (#9) means you get to play the worst team from the top two brackets (#8) based on their pool play...?

Isn't that how brackets work? Top plays Bottom i.e. 1 plays 16, 2 plays 15.....

[FWKRTJ]

I was just clarifying what exactly was transpiring since it's relatively new what they're doing.

[LstLineOfDfense]

So let me clarify this setup as it seems a bit strange to me... teams are seeded 1-16 at the discretion of the committee, then the seeds are broken into 4 pools. Seeds 1-4 in Pool A, Seeds 5-8 in Pool B, 9-12 in Pool C, and 13-16 in Pool D. This is done for the sake of making prelim games more competitive. After the pool play is completed, we are reseeded within our pools, and then playoffs start with cross pool play, with the top seed in A (the new 1 seed) plays the bottom seed in D (the new 16 seed), etc etc.

Am I right or way off base?

If I'm right, how do you figure New Orleans is seeded higher than Texas Tech (who won SCHL regular season and finals?)

[MBurke]

So let me clarify this setup as it seems a bit strange to me... teams are seeded 1-16 at the discretion of the committee, then the seeds are broken into 4 pools. Seeds 1-4 in Pool A, Seeds 5-8 in Pool B, 9-12 in Pool C, and 13-16 in Pool D. This is done for the sake of making prelim games more competitive. After the pool play is completed, we are reseeded within our pools, and then playoffs start with cross pool play, with the top seed in A (the new 1 seed) plays the bottom seed in D (the new 16 seed), etc etc.

Am I right or way off base?

If I'm right, how do you figure New Orleans is seeded higher than Texas Tech (who won SCHL regular season and finals?)

Close. It's groups of 8 and not meant to be read straight from top to bottom as 1-16 seeds.. So taking DII as an example, pools A and B consist of seeds 1-8, pools C and D seeds 9-16. There's a little bit of room for jockeying around to prevent a situation like 3 teams from the same region in the same pool, but we also try to keep the pools balanced in terms of being equally competitive.

Prelim games are played within the pools, and then the top seed from pool A and top seed from pool B will get the #1 seeds on opposite sides of the bracket. Likewise on down. This works somewhat similarly to the World Cup in that your place within your pool directly determines where you end up on the bracket.

[bearcats_roller]

This thread is epic

[Bthumme]

schedule is out!

[Bthumme]

Also playoff structure is released. With what MBurke said it is now more clear.

Pool A will play Pool D and B vs C. 1 plays 4, and 2 plays 3 from the other pool. Then it's just a winners keep moving on setup.

[FWKRTJ]

I noticed UC Santa Cruz dropped out and Miami took their place in our pool.

[LstLineOfDfense]

Also playoff structure is released. With what MBurke said it is now more clear.

Pool A will play Pool D and B vs C. 1 plays 4, and 2 plays 3 from the other pool. Then it's just a winners keep moving on setup.

It makes sense now. Now I can only complain about where my team is seeded... or just say **** it and prove the committee wrong. I'm going with the latter ;) See you all at nattys

[FWKRTJ]

It makes sense now. Now I can only complain about where my team is seeded... or just say **** it and prove the committee wrong. I'm going with the latter ;) See you all at nattys

Well, it does kinda of suck for us teams in the bottom half because the best we can hope for is #9. Especially when it's mostly based on perception of how strong each team is.

[FWKRTJ]

Let me add though that it is better to be underrated and do well in the bottom half then to be overrated and do poorly in the top half.

[danglsauce]

I dont understand how Rutgers got into Pool C while West Chester and Buffalo are in group D. I understand the 1-8, 9-16, 17-24, but group A is much better than B. Almost 1-4, 5-8. Rutgers had a worse Regular Season Record, played worse at Regionals and beat two teams in the Lowest Pools, while Buffalo Beat MSU and WCU tied MSU and beat George Mason (who would be in C or D). All teams are in the east so the overlap isn't a problem.

[GoRangrHky]

What difference does it make? It's not like it would change the 9-16 group if Buffalo was in C and Rutgers in D.

[terrorcoach]

Maybe I'm missing something but when i look at the bracket it looks like I would expect it to look with just 4 team groupings instead of the 8 that i thought it was supposed to represent in D1.

[MBurke]

Maybe I'm missing something but when i look at the bracket it looks like I would expect it to look with just 4 team groupings instead of the 8 that i thought it was supposed to represent in D1.

Pools are still 4 teams. The difference is that going 3-0 in Pool B for instance can now bump you up to a #1 seed, or going 0-3 in Pool A can bump you down to a #4 seed. Last year you would have been a #3 at best or #2 at worst in either of those scenarios.

[Meade]

Burke-

Pool A & B
1-8 Seeds Overall (1-4 on each bracket)

Pool C and D
9-16 Seeds Overall (5-8 on each bracket)

Pool E and F
17-24 Seeds Overall (9-12 on each bracket)

So UConn (listed in Pool F) can be as high as a 17th seed or as low as a 24th seed overall?

Is that correct?

If so maybe you should get rid of the (Pool A 4th place etc...) and just list the overall seed number, the explanation you give seems right but gets confusing when you look at the bracket, contradicting each other to a certain extent, thanks for the input/help

[GSJaguars11]

Burke-

Pool A & B
1-8 Seeds Overall (1-4 on each bracket)

Pool C and D
9-16 Seeds Overall (5-8 on each bracket)

Pool E and F
17-24 Seeds Overall (9-12 on each bracket)

So UConn (listed in Pool F) can be as high as a 17th seed or as low as a 24th seed overall?

Is that correct?

If so maybe you should get rid of the (Pool A 4th place etc...) and just list the overall seed number, the explanation you give seems right but gets confusing when you look at the bracket, contradicting each other to a certain extent, thanks for the input/help

according to the schedule i was thinking that being worst seed in pool A would drop you automatically to 7th seed. with 8th seed going to worst team after round robin in pool B

[MBurke]

according to the schedule i was thinking that being worst seed in pool A would drop you automatically to 7th seed. with 8th seed going to worst team after round robin in pool B

More or less. Think of it like March Madness where you have multiple seeds of the same number (in our case, 2 #1s, 2 #2s, etc.).

The reason we specify which pool you're coming from when going to the bracket is so that we can ensure that you don't see someone from your pool again early on in the elimination round.

[MBurke]

Burke-

Pool A & B
1-8 Seeds Overall (1-4 on each bracket)

Pool C and D
9-16 Seeds Overall (5-8 on each bracket)

Pool E and F
17-24 Seeds Overall (9-12 on each bracket)

So UConn (listed in Pool F) can be as high as a 17th seed or as low as a 24th seed overall?

Is that correct?


UConn can end up anywhere from the #9-12 seed on one side of the bracket, which puts them against *someone* from Pool C depending on how they finish up.

This makes sense since Pool C's teams will earn bracket seeds between #5-8.

So 5v12, 6v11, etc.

[kevinsmithAZ]

guys, I like seeing everyone's opinions on here and reading through all of the posts.. pretty cool.

NCRHA Live! will have two preview shows for Nationals:

DI on Friday, March 25th 6:30pm EST -- 7:00pm EST.

With Special Guests:

-- Alex Dodt from the ASU Sun Devils
-- Bryan Feiler from Buffalo
-- and possibly others

DII on Monday, March 28th 6:30pm EST -- 7:00pm EST.

With Special Guests:

-- Bryan Thumme from Western Michigan
-- Many more names coming soon!

Call in at (323) 693-3010 and voice your opinions.. ask questions, make comments, whatever! Listen to the interviews and let's make this a great experience for everyone involved in collegiate roller hockey.

www.blogtalkradio.com/ncrhalive

[danglsauce]

I think the disagreement I have is that Pool A is clearly better than Pool B. Therefore Pool D has a worse draw than pool C in the round of 16.

[FAUplayer]

I think the disagreement I have is that Pool A is clearly better than Pool B. Therefore Pool D has a worse draw than pool C in the round of 16.

Its the same concept as 1vs4 and 2vs3, or on a larger scale, 1vs8 2vs7 3vs6 4vs5.....

[Bthumme]

if any other team is staying at the Holiday Inn, we'd be down for a little team vs team NHL 09 action (because let's be honest its more fun.) Maybe NHL 11. Definitely not 10. For Xbox. If anyone wants to mess around and have some fun during nationals let me know.

[LstLineOfDfense]

if any other team is staying at the Holiday Inn, we'd be down for a little team vs team NHL 09 action (because let's be honest its more fun.) Maybe NHL 11. Definitely not 10. For Xbox. If anyone wants to mess around and have some fun during nationals let me know.

We're not at the Holiday Inn, but maybe we can get a little friendly game going between your guys and mine. All the hotels are close by anyway.

[Bthumme]

Yeah good point. Depending on what you guys are doing or want to do next week, let me know and we can throw it down for a bit, all in good fun of course. Maybe talk about the other D2 teams ;-).

[danglsauce]

Each team has double elimination tournament. Each team winner then goes on to play the winners from other teams staying in their hotel. Then each hotel will act as a region and will meet in the final four at the local Dave and Busters and will play a round robin tournament.
If a clear winner can't be decided then we will hold sack races on consecutive Sundays until a champion is crowned.

[LstLineOfDfense]

Each team has double elimination tournament. Each team winner then goes on to play the winners from other teams staying in their hotel. Then each hotel will act as a region and will meet in the final four at the local Dave and Busters and will play a round robin tournament.
If a clear winner can't be decided then we will hold sack races on consecutive Sundays until a champion is crowned.


Who do you think you are, Burke? ;)

[Bthumme]

Ok guys, just gonna need you each to send me $200 for expenses (packing the xbox, transporting it, and hooking it up).

On a serious note, was talking with some of our guys, we're actually looking forward to messing around with some other teams.

[bearcats_roller]

Ok guys, just gonna need you each to send me $200 for expenses (packing the xbox, transporting it, and hooking it up).


lmao

but theres gonna be a ton of free time. i'm definitely down

[LstLineOfDfense]

Thumme, check your messages

[bearcats_roller]

you get a notification as soon as you log on when you have a message

just sayin :)

[FWKRTJ]

I'm sure BSU could field a team haha

[sruinline16]

I am sure some of us from Slippery Rock would love to get in some games of NHL...i pack my xbox for most weekends...were staying at the hilton garden inn

[ECUHockey]

Anyone at Country Inn and Suites?

[Bthumme]

I'm sure BSU could field a team haha

Yeah, if it's anything like our last two/three games I have a feeling one of our xbox's and/or controllers are going through a television. Good thing the hotel isn't in my name this time.

We could really do some type of tournament now, good to see some interest. This is what the tournament is really all about.

And yeah, the hotels are literally less than a mile apart, we can easily make this work.

[LstLineOfDfense]

Anyone at Country Inn and Suites?

We are. See you guys there

[ECUHockey]

We are. See you guys there

Nice. See you guys Wednesday.

[Bthumme]

I was thinking about starting a thread where people could post what hotel they are staying at, but realistically, only about 5 teams regularly post in here i think.

[LstLineOfDfense]

Yeah I'm all for hanging out with teams that I don't have to play ;) And teams that aren't dicks... which, since Boston didn't make it, I'm not too worried about haha

[Bthumme]

Saw on Facebook they are charging admission for the games. Did they do this last year? And will we get charged to stick around and watch games before/after ours?

[GoRangrHky]

They've charged for the past few years. It's really done to cover costs. It's either the teams pay more as an entry fee, or you hope that the few outside people that come cover a piece of it for you. Players and coaches were given a credential that allowed them to come in and out of the building as they pleased.

[MBurke]

Saw on Facebook they are charging admission for the games. Did they do this last year? And will we get charged to stick around and watch games before/after ours?

I think this is our fourth or fifth year with admission. As AJ said, players and coaches get credentials good for admission to the entire event.

[GSJaguars11]

I think this is our fourth or fifth year with admission. As AJ said, players and coaches get credentials good for admission to the entire event.

i think charging each team another $40-$50 would bring in just as much money and make it much more likely for local hockey players/"fans" to come check it out... making it more fun for everyone

[GoRangrHky]

That's been debated the past few years. Most teams already complain about the high cost, eat nothing but Ramen for a week, carry the back row of their 15 passenger vans into the room, share jock straps, and squeeze someone in the bathtub to save money, so they could care less who shows up as long as it doesn't cost them. Other teams are a little more interested in the whole "experience" part of it, and getting fans into the arena and all that.

The other aspect is that it would be a bit more the $40 more per team. I have no idea what the figures are, but if each team brings 2 fans, that's the $40 right there. A lot of schools (like Lindenwood, for example) will bring 15-20 people, and now that it's a reasonable driving distance for a lot of teams (the MCRHL and GP people), I'd expect maybe even more. It definitely averages out to more than 2 or 3 per team. All of a sudden that turns from 40-50 to 140-150 per team.

And as also discussed, the ACHA charges, club baseball charges, the USA Sevens (that's rugby) charges, so the NCRHA isn't the only one.

[Bthumme]

If anyone cares, it was raining and snowing yesterday up here in Kalamazoo...and we usually get what comes right after Madison. So you guys will probably want to pack warm. Gonna be a chilly, gloomy week.

[FWKRTJ]

Temps are suppose to be in the 50's and 60's... chance of rain most of the time.

And I like your prediction on a BSU/WMU xbox match Thumme lol

[BEEZERAL]

Temps are suppose to be in the 50's and 60's... chance of rain most of the time.

And I like your prediction on a BSU/WMU xbox match Thumme lol

Baymont Inn and Suites is blocking the inputs so no XBOX tourny here

[FWKRTJ]

Beezeral and the rest of Miami proved a point and then some... Now whether or not the tragic events to the Shuman boys was any motivation or gave them any extra momentum in unknown, we do know that a .500 team just won the National Championship. Kudos!

[BEEZERAL]

Beezeral and the rest of Miami proved a point and then some... Now whether or not the tragic events to the Shuman boys was any motivation or gave them any extra momentum in unknown, we do know that a .500 team just won the National Championship. Kudos!

like I have said a million times, .500 isn't so bad when you play 15 games against teams who made it to Nattys. We definitely played our best hockey all season this week and I definitely believe we got some from above

[RollerGawdDawg]

Thank you guys for beating those Bethel Benders. Really they had a guy in a green (purple) man suit?!?! Gotta say that was pretty brave considering what he was packing (or not packing). I think if they would've spent less time playing with their wildcat stuffed animals they would've had a better chance. Enjoy the scholarships...I can tell they definitely weren't academic...

[PureHockey111]

Congratulations to both long beach state and Miami, both had to overcome adversity and were never given any real chance from the start. I thought the SECRHL wrapped up a dominating D2 performance with 3 of the final 4 being from there. Also represented well with tampa making a decent run in D1. A huge step forward in that conference after a few years ago being seen as a weaker conference. IMO the ECRHA had a poor showing with the exception of Rowan, not surprising though since they won the east. 3 of their teams placed last in their pools. I also thought Cali was represented well and was a tad overlooked from a conference perspective coming in. I knew a lot of the hype was on the east, great plains, and mcrhl. Probably due to the sub-par records caused by such tough inter conference play. All in all in made for an interesting underdog seeming championships with some teams being overlooked due to stronger conferences with lower records.

really wish mason could have been there to experience it, finances will be in order next year ha. Again congrats to all teams, really topped off what seemed like another amazing nationals.

[NUHockey72]

Congratulations to both long beach state and Miami, both had to overcome adversity and were never given any real chance from the start. I thought the SECRHL wrapped up a dominating D2 performance with 3 of the final 4 being from there. Also represented well with tampa making a decent run in D1. A huge step forward in that conference after a few years ago being seen as a weaker conference. IMO the ECRHA had a poor showing with the exception of Rowan, not surprising though since they won the east. 3 of their teams placed last in their pools. I also thought Cali was represented well and was a tad overlooked from a conference perspective coming in. I knew a lot of the hype was on the east, great plains, and mcrhl. Probably due to the sub-par records caused by such tough inter conference play. All in all in made for an interesting underdog seeming championships with some teams being overlooked due to stronger conferences with lower records.

really wish mason could have been there to experience it, finances will be in order next year ha. Again congrats to all teams, really topped off what seemed like another amazing nationals.

I think that the teams people expected to do well from the east did well, West Chester and UConn kind of got the short end playing teams that knew their tendencies in bracket play. I don't think anyone really expected Brockport, Stony Brook, Buffalo (without Alexx Christie) or Rutgers to do anything in the tournament.

[danglsauce]

Goaltending wasn't really the issue for Buffalo. We didn't have 3 of our top 8 players. Including 2 that played on the powerplay.

[bearcats_roller]

ECRHA had a disappointing showing only for the fact that we didn't have any teams in the finals...also remember alot of the matchups were ECRHA vs. ECRHA where one had to be eliminated

[BEEZERAL]

ECRHA had a disappointing showing only for the fact that we didn't have any teams in the finals...also remember alot of the matchups were ECRHA vs. ECRHA where one had to be eliminated

I agree, and outside of the SECRHL the ECRHA definitely had the stronger teams in DII. Pitt and Binghamton both had great teams, but just didnt have the depth to play a full 36 minutes. We knew immediately that we only had to worry about two players on your team if we wanted to win. Our whole plan in the first period was to tire out 64 and 55, and once we did that, we knew it was our game.

Great tourny guys and we will see you in DI next year

[franch1se]

no love for the WCRHL and D1?

[BEEZERAL]

no love for the WCRHL and D1?

Sorry this is a mostly secrhl and ecrha populated board, but what a run by Long Beach State. Watched them take down lindenwood and it was incredible.

You could easily debate which story was less likely, us as the 18 seed winning the title, or LBS knocking off lindenwood and keeping them out of the title game for the first time.

[MBurke]

Sorry this is a mostly secrhl and ecrha populated board, but what a run by Long Beach State. Watched them take down lindenwood and it was incredible.

You could easily debate which story was less likely, us as the 18 seed winning the title, or LBS knocking off lindenwood and keeping them out of the title game for the first time.

Or SLO coming out of Pool E into the Finals. Tons of really awesome stories that ultimately are really good for the league and speak well to the level of parity we're starting to see across divisions. Nothing's a lock anymore (other than maybe St. Charles!).

[PureHockey111]

Or SLO coming out of Pool E into the Finals. Tons of really awesome stories that ultimately are really good for the league and speak well to the level of parity we're starting to see across divisions. Nothing's a lock anymore (other than maybe St. Charles!).

well put, nothing is a lock and what seemed like a wrapped up D1 and a competitive D2 with only a couple teams was completely flipped around. to be honest i feel like this is exactly what this league needs as a spark to help draw further interest.