Nationals

[Mr Hockey]

So, now that we know how many spots are open for nationals at each level. Who all do you guys think will get picked?

Just in case you didnt know, 24 Division I, 16 Division II, 12 B Division, and 6 Junior College.

[Chapwi]

West Chester (Great team, will be there towards the end)
Brockport (Contender)
Rowan (Contender and should definitly be there, but stupid loss to GMU. Very closes games with WCU and Brockport, also beat the Nuemann that crushed GMU, minus Mariotti)
Nuemann (Awfull regualar season, didnt beat a good team and lost to Temple, Full roster at regionals should be competitive and if so, also deserve a spot and will be a contender at nationals)
Tampa (Locked and should be a contender)
Kennesaw (great regional, Not sure how they will do at nationals but deserve a spot)
SIU Edwardsville (locked, not a contender in my opinion)
Missouri State (Dont know much)
Grand Valley (Contender)
Cincinnati (Contender)
Metro State (Dont know alot)
Stephan F. Austin (Dont know)
California (Contender)
UC SanDiego (Contender)

Not sure about the rest

George Mason (Turned out to have a hug win against Rowan, If they make it i dont see them getting very far)
Miami (Rumor has it their all offense)
UC Santa Cruz
Missouri S & T

Just my opinions dont know much outside of ECRHA and what happened last year by the results.

[hkyplayer]

D1
Ecrha (6)
Buffalo
Rhode Island
Rutgers
Towson
West Point
Uconn

Great Plains (3)
Lindenwood
UMSL
Mizzou

Midwest (3)
Michigan State
Central Michigan
Ohio State

RM (1)
Colorado State

Secrhl (3)
FAU
UCF
NC State

Southwest (3)
North Texas
ULL
LSU ??

Wcrhl (4)
Arizona State
Long Beach State
UNLV
UCSB


That's 23 that I think will get in then there is Cal Poly, Eastern Michigan, Hofstra, Sam Houston State??? a couple of the teams will have sub 500 records

[GSJaguars11]

West Chester (Great team, will be there towards the end)
Brockport (Contender)
Rowan (Contender and should definitly be there, but stupid loss to GMU. Very closes games with WCU and Brockport, also beat the Nuemann that crushed GMU, minus Mariotti)
Nuemann (Awfull regualar season, didnt beat a good team and lost to Temple, Full roster at regionals should be competitive and if so, also deserve a spot and will be a contender at nationals)
Tampa (Locked and should be a contender)
Kennesaw (great regional, Not sure how they will do at nationals but deserve a spot)
SIU Edwardsville (locked, not a contender in my opinion)
Missouri State (Dont know much)
Grand Valley (Contender)
Cincinnati (Contender)
Metro State (Dont know alot)
Stephan F. Austin (Dont know)
California (Contender)
UC SanDiego (Contender)

Not sure about the rest

George Mason (Turned out to have a hug win against Rowan, If they make it i dont see them getting very far)
Miami (Rumor has it their all offense)
UC Santa Cruz
Missouri S & T

Just my opinions dont know much outside of ECRHA and what happened last year by the results.

I agree with everything and to fill in a blank I'd say Missouri state is a contender. And I'd say Metro/Stephen F Austin arent.

I hope they really take into account the teams that actually have a chance to win it all rather then just the teams that "deserve it more" because of other things.

[catch]

I would say SIU-E is a lot better hockey team than people think. they are much improved over last year, a first class team who played ice hockey most of this year on the same weekends as roller until regionals.

I think you can also count Mizzou out of Nationals. A) there goalie walked out at regionals leaving them to forfeit and B) they have no alternative goalie.

[JLambertUMSL]

Wow, no respect for SIUE huh. We'll see what happens.

[Chapwi]

I guess i dont know much about SUI other than they were 6-6 or whatever throughout the season and it apeared to be a one man team. But if they have a full roster and our a good team all the power too them.

[ianmackie]

[QUOTE=catch;64715I think you can also count Mizzou out of Nationals. A) there goalie walked out at regionals leaving them to forfeit and B) they have no alternative goalie.[/QUOTE]

I am pretty sure they will be at Nationals. Their goalie had a prior commitment and they decided that saving money for the night of hotels was better then staying and losing 10-0 really quick with a sub par goalie. I'm not saying I agree with them, but that was the case.

[Ben Lambert]

Well, SIU-E won regionals so I guess that puts that argument to bed.

From the GP, other schools who should be there are MO State (without a doubt), and MO S&T. I feel like SLU deserves a shot, but I don't know if they did themselves in by losing to the Illini in regionals.

All 3 teams from D1 and 2 from JC in GP should go. The only question is how many from D2 should be there.

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

SIUE beat Missouri State. That should say something right there. Hopefully they are more team orientated though this year. A one man team will not win you nationals and I think they found that out quick last year.

The Great Plains will get 3 bids without a doubt
SIUE
Missouri State
Missouri S&T

ECRHA will get 4 bids:
Brockport
Neumann
Rowan
West Chester

MCRHL will get 2 bids:
Grand Valley State
Cincinnati

SCRHL will get 1 bid:
Austin State

RMCRHL will get 1 bid:
Metro Denver

WCRHL will get 2 bids:
California
UC San Diego

SECRHL will get 3 bids:
Tampa
Kennesaw
George Mason

The SCRHL only had one team in DII nationals last year: Texas Dallas. While the RMCRHL had two teams: Metro, and Northern Colorado

I really cant see either of these regions getting a second bid before the SECRHL gets a third bid. They might get an alternate though.

Alternates:
School of Mines
Arlington
Ball State
Miami
Shippensburg
Illinois

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

ECRHA region bracket
Brockport wins pool A
West Chester wins pool B
Neumann wins pool C
Rowan 2nd pool C

Semifinal
Brockport 9-3 over Rowan
West Chester 6-4 over Neumann

Final
West Chester 7-6 over Brockport

This aint no guess that is how it is going to be.

[GSJaguars11]

so what changed so much in the last 2 weeks that makes brockport go from beating us 5-4 to 9-3?

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

Okay so the score might be a little off. Where is the fun in predicting games by one goal. The east is different though than other regions. I dont see a whole lot of teams coming back in the third period when they are a couple down. But as for the prediction of a west chester vs. brockport final I believe it is dead on.

[GSJaguars11]

nice waterboy quote btw but rowan mercies ramapo in the finals.

[show2606]

Who are you midwestclapper? and your Brockport vs. Rowan prediction is way off. Brockport 100 Rowan -2. I eat Rowan Profs. Num Num Num :D

[rowanhockey]

SIUE beat Missouri State. That should say something right there. Hopefully they are more team orientated though this year. A one man team will not win you nationals and I think they found that out quick last year.

The Great Plains will get 3 bids without a doubt
SIUE
Missouri State
Missouri S&T

ECRHA will get 4 bids:
Brockport
Neumann
Rowan
West Chester

MCRHL will get 2 bids:
Grand Valley State
Cincinnati

SCRHL will get 1 bid:
Austin State

RMCRHL will get 1 bid:
Metro Denver

WCRHL will get 2 bids:
California
UC San Diego

SECRHL will get 3 bids:
Tampa
Kennesaw
George Mason

The SCRHL only had one team in DII nationals last year: Texas Dallas. While the RMCRHL had two teams: Metro, and Northern Colorado

I really cant see either of these regions getting a second bid before the SECRHL gets a third bid. They might get an alternate though.

Alternates:
School of Mines
Arlington
Ball State
Miami
Shippensburg
Illinois


i totally agree with your bid choices, that is how it should be but i do not believe it will be like that, i think one team from the east is going to get screwed and not get a bid like last year.

[InlineMBA]

ECRHA will get 4 bids:
Brockport
Neumann
Rowan
West Chester


I have no doubt in my mind that all 4 of these teams will get a bid. I have seen them all play and they will absolutely get in.

However, why 2 of these programs are in DII and not DI, well - that's another issue completely. It's not like, if you make the decision to move up to DI from DII that it's a permanent thing or something. Look how fast Central Michigan moved up from DII to DI, I commend them.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

The ECRHA will most definitly get four bids. Unless by mistake they give the SCRHL or RMCRHL two bids. It makes for an extremely competitive nationals in DII whereas in DI you dont see as good of games until the final 8. Hopefully cental will still get a bid along with OSU, and MSU. They are a good team. Is Chad Spezia still playing, was a scratch all through regionals.

[NCSU17]

D1
Ecrha (6)
Buffalo
Rhode Island
Rutgers
Towson
West Point
Uconn

Great Plains (3)
Lindenwood
UMSL
Mizzou

Midwest (3)
Michigan State
Central Michigan
Ohio State

RM (1)
Colorado State

Secrhl (3)
FAU
UCF
NC State

Southwest (3)
North Texas
ULL
LSU ??

Wcrhl (4)
Arizona State
Long Beach State
UNLV
UCSB


That's 23 that I think will get in then there is Cal Poly, Eastern Michigan, Hofstra, Sam Houston State??? a couple of the teams will have sub 500 records

Its a bummer that more of the solid D2 teams cant play D1. Out of the 24 D1 that are going to get bids, there are only about 10-12 teams that could legitimately make it deep into nationals.

If teams like Neumann, Brockport, Tampa etc would move up, there would be more competitive teams at D1 nationals, and less weak teams. The 18-24 teams are going to be pretty mediocre this year.

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

How about those DI teams move down. The ECRHA got screwed last year because RMCRHL sent both metro and northern colorado. Why they got two bids out of a region with only five teams is because Metro lost to Northern Colorado in the regionals. Because they had a regular season record of 11-3 they got an at large bid. The ECRHA or the SECRHL will get screwed again of Austin State loses in their regionals. Thus Arlington and Austin State both end up going.

[NCSU17]

How about those DI teams move down. The ECRHA got screwed last year because RMCRHL sent both metro and northern colorado. Why they got two bids out of a region with only five teams is because Metro lost to Northern Colorado in the regionals. Because they had a regular season record of 11-3 they got an at large bid. The ECRHA or the SECRHL will get screwed again of Austin State loses in their regionals. Thus Arlington and Austin State both end up going.

If those teams don't want to get "screwed" out of nationals, then maybe they should go to D1, where they probably have a better chance of making it to the show. They would also be playing much more competitive teams on a regular basis. Why would decent D1 teams move down to play weak D2 teams?

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

The real problem is that too many teams go to nationals. In every division. 24 teams from DI that is like 3 out of every region. Why would you have teams play all these regular season games and in the end have a such a large field of teams. DII should also be cut back. Many teams whether good like Nuemann, West Chester, and Tampa stay in DII because there is a bigger commitment in DI. You are scheduled more regular season games thus have to travel more thus costing clubs more money and time.

[NCSU17]

Why would you have teams play all these regular season games and in the end have a such a large field of teams.

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Atleast that's my guess.

[Chapwi]

ECRHA region bracket
Brockport wins pool A
West Chester wins pool B
Neumann wins pool C
Rowan 2nd pool C

Semifinal
Brockport 9-3 over Rowan
West Chester 6-4 over Neumann

Final
West Chester 7-6 over Brockport

This aint no guess that is how it is going to be.

I agree close game if it comes to brockport vs. WCU 2 goal game at the most in my opinion but i dont see it geting to 13 total goals. maybe 11.

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

I only predicted 7-6 because Brockport usually has no problems putting up goals. It will be up to West Chester to keep up.

[Chapwi]

Not sure who you are, but im a fan haha

[BEEZERAL]

As the only Miami poster on here, I can say that we didnt earn a bid at regionals, we did not play good hockey all weekend. But I will say this, we played better against UT than KSU did, while results are the only thing that matters, I wonder how things would have played out if the SECRHL hadn't mysteriously changed the seeding rules right before regionals to give KSU the 3 seed over us. IMO If KSU and UM were swapped last weekend, UM would probably be the team that met UT in the finals and KSU would have lost 2 times to UT

[mixingitup15]

all of the ECRHA teams has to be on the list of heavy favorites. The ECRHA has never been this strong. It seems that 4 teams has a legit shot at nationals. Rowan, Neumann West Chester and Brockport. have these teams ever been this strong before.

[Ben Lambert]

all of the ECRHA teams has to be on the list of heavy favorites. The ECRHA has never been this strong. It seems that 4 teams has a legit shot at nationals. Rowan, Neumann West Chester and Brockport. have these teams ever been this strong before.

Too bad it's just D2

[mixingitup15]

this whole d1 dII thing is out of control...seriously why does everyone even care...if neumann or rowan or tampa or whoever wants to call themselves the best dII team so be it...i mean seriously its not like they are proclaiming to be the best in the country and they would stomp on all the dI teams..if they wanna be the big fish in a little pond so be it..is anyone really losing sleep over the fact. if it is such a big issue then NCRHA should force teams to play where they feel they should be put at. and if they dont meet the requirements or want to move up dont let them play in the league. the ncrha is the ones who allow them to play in DII so they are just as much at fault.

[CSteamer]

this whole d1 dII thing is out of control...seriously why does everyone even care...if neumann or rowan or tampa or whoever wants to call themselves the best dII team so be it...i mean seriously its not like they are proclaiming to be the best in the country and they would stomp on all the dI teams..if they wanna be the big fish in a little pond so be it..is anyone really losing sleep over the fact. if it is such a big issue then NCRHA should force teams to play where they feel they should be put at. and if they dont meet the requirements or want to move up dont let them play in the league. the ncrha is the ones who allow them to play in DII so they are just as much at fault.

I think the argument is that because the NCRHA is pushing to become a more legitimate league with the ultimate goal of becoming a sanctioned NCAA sport, the best teams should be playing in the top division. When teams sand bag in lower divisions it makes the league look like a joke. Thats why there are more nationals bids for D1 than there are D2.

[mixingitup15]

ok i understand and agree with that...then tell certain programs they have to play dI or they dont have a team...but they wont do that bc they want the MONEY....its a simple solution...place the teams where they belong not where they want to be...only problem is NCRHA is afraid certain teams will not play...and i mean seriously why is there any reason that more than 8-10 teams make nationals anyway...thats a joke in itself...

[NCSU17]

I think the argument is that because the NCRHA is pushing to become a more legitimate league with the ultimate goal of becoming a sanctioned NCAA sport, the best teams should be playing in the top division. When teams sand bag in lower divisions it makes the league look like a joke. Thats why there are more nationals bids for D1 than there are D2.
Exactly. The best should be playing D1 simple as that. It reflects MUCH better on the entire league.

[mixingitup15]

ok i know everyone on here isnt exactly einstein but i think everyone for the most part besides certain parties believe the best teams should be playing d1..it is in the best interest for college roller hockey as a whole for al the best teams to play d1. NCRHA needs to step in now and not give certain teams the option to play down.

[MBurke]

ok i understand and agree with that...then tell certain programs they have to play dI or they dont have a team...but they wont do that bc they want the MONEY....its a simple solution...place the teams where they belong not where they want to be...only problem is NCRHA is afraid certain teams will not play...and i mean seriously why is there any reason that more than 8-10 teams make nationals anyway...thats a joke in itself...

What about a collection of really talented players who can't afford to travel? Should we ditch the interregional play requirement in the name of the best competition? What about a squad too disorganized to get together a coach or fulfill all the uniform requirements? It's difficult to always "place a team where they belong" if you don't know what the makeup of the team is from year to year.

As an example, RIT was a national force in DI one year, missed ECRHA regionals the following year, and the club folded the next. Things turn over quickly in college sports.

Yes, there are a couple obvious teams that I think we can all agree *should* move. The question is how to do that in a systematic way that isn't subjective. I think relegation is a possibility as well as some kind of 2-4 year performance standard. Maybe teams could apply for a waiver if for some reason they felt they were unable to move up to DI?

And you're actually completely right - it IS about the money! All the things many of you expect when it comes to nationals (quality of facility, top refs from every region, well staffed, vendors, stat displays, nice trophies, awards, etc) cost substantial amounts of money. The more teams that pay entry fees, the cheaper it is per team to make that happen. Taking only 8-10 teams to nationals in DI and DII would more than double the cost per team to attend the event. The same economies of scale apply to regional fees. More teams = better cost savings for each team.

[MBurke]

I think quite a few of you have some really good ideas here and I thank everyone for actually proposing solutions rather than just complaining.

The annual NCRHA board meeting is in June. That gives about three months to put together some proposals for changes to the system. Major changes probably would be installed for 2011-2012 but I think there are some tweaks we could add that would be beneficial as soon as next year.

If you're interested in joining a non-public discussion group to talk out some of these things, please shoot me an email ([email protected]) and we'll go from there. I don't have to be a part of the process if you'd like to draft a proposal on your own and send it over to the NCRHA, but I think something that shows broad support across multiple regions will be received well.

[mixingitup15]

again all valid points and im not saying i have the solution. the league is very well run. but the whole this team has to move up to d1 bc they win d2 every year, who cares..if they wanna stay in d2 so be it...let the teams who want to compete at the highlest level and promote their teams stay..

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

Ultimately there is two much complaining in both divisions about certain teams being above the rest as far as skill. When it comes down to it the NCRHA does what they do alot of time to make money. They have to in order to cover costs and be able to support the leagues future. Which is why they invite all the teams they do to nationals and it is also why it would be hard for them to force team to make moves that a team does not want to do for that team could leave the league altogether thus costing the league money. I think there would be this whole argument over teams sandbagging in divisions if they decreased nationals to the regional champion of each division then taking the team with the next best record. But then nationals fees would have to go up because there would be that many less teams. No win situation.

[Hiigh_Stick]

Rumor has it Central Michigan will not be making the trip to San Jose.

Also, Eastern Mich really deserves a bid.

[MIDWESTCLAPPER]

I understand why they had to have nationals in california. because they had it on the east last year. There is no need to keep moving locations around. Intstead they need to pick a location that is more centrally located. Being that if the majority of the teams in the league are from the east then you dont have it in the west. Colorado and Missouri are both good venues. Granted you have to use multiple rinks.

[letsgoisles89]

What about a collection of really talented players who can't afford to travel? Should we ditch the interregional play requirement in the name of the best competition? What about a squad too disorganized to get together a coach or fulfill all the uniform requirements? It's difficult to always "place a team where they belong" if you don't know what the makeup of the team is from year to year.

Come on, the two teams everyone knows should move up:

1) are located within about 50 miles of atleast 3 rinks they play at - where they basically play their entire seasons. their costs of travel are miniscule compared to other D-1 teams

2) can travel - as they have gone to inter-regional events and attend nationals every year - so whats the big deal about them making one trip considering some teams travel more to get to one event in Feasterville than they travel all season.

3) meet the uniform and coaching requirements, and have had sustained a high interest in their club for over a decade.

making that arguement for schools like brockport and rowan is completely understandable, but for the other 2 good schools, its laughable.




Ultimately there is two much complaining in both divisions about certain teams being above the rest as far as skill. When it comes down to it the NCRHA does what they do alot of time to make money. They have to in order to cover costs and be able to support the leagues future. Which is why they invite all the teams they do to nationals and it is also why it would be hard for them to force team to make moves that a team does not want to do for that team could leave the league altogether thus costing the league money. I think there would be this whole argument over teams sandbagging in divisions if they decreased nationals to the regional champion of each division then taking the team with the next best record. But then nationals fees would have to go up because there would be that many less teams. No win situation.

Childpleeeeez, regarding the 2 teams above, I'd call that bluff - no way they'd leave - as they would not really incur any increase in costs - as stated above...if they did leave the league though, good riddance - as previously mentioned in this thread having those teams sandbag make us look like a joke and without them it would make our league look like less of a joke.

[thebenchman]

As the only Miami poster on here, I can say that we didnt earn a bid at regionals, we did not play good hockey all weekend. But I will say this, we played better against UT than KSU did, while results are the only thing that matters, I wonder how things would have played out if the SECRHL hadn't mysteriously changed the seeding rules right before regionals to give KSU the 3 seed over us. IMO If KSU and UM were swapped last weekend, UM would probably be the team that met UT in the finals and KSU would have lost 2 times to UT


You play the schedule that is given to you. PERIOD!
Just for the record didnt KSU beat you this year?

Just saying!!

[InlineMBA]

As the only Miami poster on here, I can say that we didnt earn a bid at regionals, we did not play good hockey all weekend. But I will say this, we played better against UT than KSU did, while results are the only thing that matters, I wonder how things would have played out if the SECRHL hadn't mysteriously changed the seeding rules right before regionals to give KSU the 3 seed over us. IMO If KSU and UM were swapped last weekend, UM would probably be the team that met UT in the finals and KSU would have lost 2 times to UT

It appears that you are attempting to make a case for "Sports Logic". The only problem with "Sport Logic" is, there is no logic to "Sports Logic". (ie. Team A beats Team B, Team B beats Team C, however the logic falls apart when Team C beats team A.)

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[hockeykid12]

Make your school cooler or easier to get into which Neumann has or cooler like wcu, recruit good players and stop complaining.

[cincybearcat]

Any idea if Grand Valley will move up next season?

[GVSU DII]

Any idea if Grand Valley will move up next season?

yes as far as I know we plan on moving up. Need better competition rather just playing you guys 2 times a year (4 with playoffs) and exhibition games with DI teams...

[BEEZERAL]

It appears that you are attempting to make a case for "Sports Logic". The only problem with "Sport Logic" is, there is no logic to "Sports Logic". (ie. Team A beats Team B, Team B beats Team C, however the logic falls apart when Team C beats team A.)

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

yes, you are right. the loss to KSU was not good for our argument. ill do the honorable thing and make another excuse. lol.

we played our worst game of the season against KSU. we were also pretty shorthanded. like has been said before, we are a mostly offensive heavy team. 8 of our 11 skaters are fowards. we had 2 guys play D for the first time ever this year. when we played KSU 2 of our 3 true defenseman were missing, combine that with how that game played out with many penalties called against both teams, and you have a KSU win.

We dont have an argument to go to nationals because we lost to both KSU and GMU, but if you compare the three teams at the top of each teams game, in my opinion Miami is the best team.

I know I just made a bunch of excuses but I truly believe we are a better team than KSU and GMU. I know players from UT, UCF and FAU have all said that we are the second best team in the conference when we play good hockey

[NCSU17]

yes, you are right. the loss to KSU was not good for our argument. ill do the honorable thing and make another excuse. lol.

we played our worst game of the season against KSU. we were also pretty shorthanded. like has been said before, we are a mostly offensive heavy team. 8 of our 11 skaters are fowards. we had 2 guys play D for the first time ever this year. when we played KSU 2 of our 3 true defenseman were missing, combine that with how that game played out with many penalties called against both teams, and you have a KSU win.

We dont have an argument to go to nationals because we lost to both KSU and GMU, but if you compare the three teams at the top of each teams game, in my opinion Miami is the best team.

I know I just made a bunch of excuses but I truly believe we are a better team than KSU and GMU. I know players from UT, UCF and FAU have all said that we are the second best team in the conference when we play good hockey

In my opinion, you guys are a better team than KSU. Unfortunately, you also appear to be a bit streakier. I'm sure you guys will get a bid in the future if you keep your core. Just make sure you guys don't bring your parents to anymore tournaments. Super-incredibly obnoxious. No offense. But really.

[cincybearcat]

yes as far as I know we plan on moving up. Need better competition rather just playing you guys 2 times a year (4 with playoffs) and exhibition games with DI teams...

We feel the same. The other teams in the division get pretty boring when you beat them consistently by a large margin. The only hope would be School Craft moving up (they are too good for D3). We also have to look at new players coming in. We will have a good team in D2 next season, but we lose alot of players after that.

[BEEZERAL]

In my opinion, you guys are a better team than KSU. Unfortunately, you also appear to be a bit streakier. I'm sure you guys will get a bid in the future if you keep your core. Just make sure you guys don't bring your parents to anymore tournaments. Super-incredibly obnoxious. No offense. But really.

They weren't my parents and while their actions were wrong I can understand why they were upset. FSU needs to stop with the racial stuff on the rink

[NCSU17]

They weren't my parents and while their actions were wrong I can understand why they were upset. FSU needs to stop with the racial stuff on the rink

Yea they seemed to get into it with everyone they play.

[BEEZERAL]

Yea they seemed to get into it with everyone they play.

I get ur point but they aren't my parents. What do u want me 2 do

[osu_buckeyes]

Rumor has it Central Michigan will not be making the trip to San Jose.

Also, Eastern Mich really deserves a bid.

I totally agree about Eastern. They can compete with anyone right now, especially when See is on the top of his game. They beat Central and played both Michigan State and us extremely close. They did all of this without their leading scorer (Stambersky).

[GMU18]

yes, you are right. the loss to KSU was not good for our argument. ill do the honorable thing and make another excuse. lol.

we played our worst game of the season against KSU. we were also pretty shorthanded. like has been said before, we are a mostly offensive heavy team. 8 of our 11 skaters are fowards. we had 2 guys play D for the first time ever this year. when we played KSU 2 of our 3 true defenseman were missing, combine that with how that game played out with many penalties called against both teams, and you have a KSU win.

We dont have an argument to go to nationals because we lost to both KSU and GMU, but if you compare the three teams at the top of each teams game, in my opinion Miami is the best team.

I know I just made a bunch of excuses but I truly believe we are a better team than KSU and GMU. I know players from UT, UCF and FAU have all said that we are the second best team in the conference when we play good hockey

I mean you lost to us both. Ill admit you have more talent than KSU, but KSU lacks weak players which benefits them quite a bit. If we played 10 times i see us winning about 7 of those games.

[BEEZERAL]

I mean you lost to us both. Ill admit you have more talent than KSU, but KSU lacks weak players which benefits them quite a bit. If we played 10 times i see us winning about 7 of those games.

More excuses. It was our first game of the season and as a team. We had 7 new players. It was your 9th game as a team. The deck was stacked in your favour. Look I've been backing you guys all year but you guys are not that good. You celebrate your win over d1 champ fau. They had 6 skaters that game. They were missing key players. Congrats you beat fau light.

If both teams played at the top of our games I think many on the board will agree that we would win. Unfortunately for us things didn't work out for us and we lost those games. Therefore you guys get the nationals bid while I stay on this board and make excuses. We will be back next season and hopefully we get some freshman who can play and you will see us next year

[Jkahn09]

I think both GMU and Miami are good and bad in their own light. Both teams are good because they have offensive threats and good scorers. You guys are bad because a.) miami is young and immature and needs to keep their heads in games instead of getting their players tossed here and there. GMU is bad because they worry too much about "dangles" then their final goal which is winning the SECRHL. I think both teams should sit out of nationals this year and go next year because both teams are stacked with freshman and the could be dominate teams the next three years. Personally Kenn. looked really good the last two tournaments that they played in and deserve to go to nationals over the former two. Like I said both GMU and Miami are good teams, but going to nationals this year would be a waste because there are better well-rounded teams around.

[Jkahn09]

In addition GMU should forget about nationals and use the money for a cruise. You guys are all Caspers and need to step outside.

[GMULensing7]

More excuses. It was our first game of the season and as a team. We had 7 new players. It was your 9th game as a team. The deck was stacked in your favour. Look I've been backing you guys all year but you guys are not that good. You celebrate your win over d1 champ fau. They had 6 skaters that game. They were missing key players. Congrats you beat fau light.

If both teams played at the top of our games I think many on the board will agree that we would win. Unfortunately for us things didn't work out for us and we lost those games. Therefore you guys get the nationals bid while I stay on this board and make excuses. We will be back next season and hopefully we get some freshman who can play and you will see us next year

FAU may have had 6 players but they had their three best there...but it did help us that we had no pressure in that game and it was all on FAU. Ill give you the excuse about the whole first game thing, you guys did have some players screaming at each other and it looked like you may not have all been on the same page. idk about the deck being stacked in our favor though, wasnt like you guys handed us the game or anything. i can see those excuses maybe being a problem for the first period but it was 0 to 0 after the 1st so i mean it wasn't like we jumped on you guys being rusty or anything. too bad we have to wait for next season till we get to play again but looking forward to it. hopefully we can get some fresh talent and i think it will be a great game. too bad you guys are all the way in Miami though, cause the only way we could see you is at GA tournies prob. which we all know are so fun to drive too...:(

JKahn09-have you seen the weather for NOVA the last month? snow, snow, and more snow. ill be inside while you can enjoy your florida weather...

[CSteamer]

JKahn09-have you seen the weather for NOVA the last month? snow, snow, and more snow. ill be inside while you can enjoy your florida weather...

Spring Break is coming up. Get down to Panama City, get some strange, and get your tan on.

[GMULensing7]

Spring Break is coming up. Get down to Panama City, get some strange, and get your tan on.

or maybe ill just go back down to GA for the week, i heard the supergoose has excellent weather and hockey:D

[GMU18]

I love standing alone in the weather by the supergoose.

[hockeykid12]

now that all regionals are done, who goes in D2

[rowanhockey]

now that all regionals are done, who goes in D2


1.) west chester
2.) brockport
3.) nueman
4.) rowan
5.) Grand valley
6.) Cincy
7.) Tampa
8.) kennesaw
9.) George Mason
10.) Siu edwardsville
11.) Missouri State
12.) Missouri S&t
13.) metro denver
14.) Stephen Austin
15.) UC San diego
16.) Chico State

[kleinberg13]

1.) west chester
2.) brockport
3.) nueman
4.) rowan
5.) Grand valley
6.) Cincy
7.) Tampa
8.) kennesaw
9.) George Mason
10.) Siu edwardsville
11.) Missouri State
12.) Missouri S&t
13.) metro denver
14.) Stephen Austin
15.) UC San diego
16.) Chico State

What about Miami? Just three regular season losses with one coming to central florida's d1 team, and they beat them once. Also have three playoff wins. Ive never seen them play since Im in the ecrha, but by just looking at results you could make a case for them

[FAUplayer]

What about Miami? Just three regular season losses with one coming to central florida's d1 team, and they beat them once. Also have three playoff wins. Ive never seen them play since Im in the ecrha, but by just looking at results you could make a case for them

And Miami lost to Kennesaw, Tampa, and George Mason.... You can make a case that they deserve to go, but those losses lead too much to them not getting a bid unfortunately.

[gloveside]

Miami on any given day could beat any team in the SECRHL DIV I or II. I totally agree with the post of key losses GMU UT and Kennesaw. My personal opinion is that they should have gone DI. A school that size should have a talent pool to play at that level. Food for thought, they are still a top 10 DII team in the NCRHA... Gloveside

[BEEZERAL]

Unfortunately FAU player is correct. We lost to GMU and KSU so going by that we dont get a bid to nationals. Obviously I think we are a better team than both GMU and KSU and I think some other teams will agree. If you look at our record and our games it can be confusing. The losses to GMU and KSU should eliminate us. But you look at our performance against top competition like UT and UCF and we played them better than KSU while GMU did not play either team. Look at KSU's performance against quality teams up until regionals lost 5-1 to UCF B which UM beat 9-3. Lost 6-1 to UCF 6-1 who UM beat 6-5 and lost 6-5 to. When you compare UM and KSU's performance against Tampa, UM lost 4-2 in a close game and 9-3 in a game that was very close until we imploded on ourselves and started acting like idiots and Tampa pulled away. When KSU played tampa, UT took a 6-0 lead before KSU scored a goal. The tampa guys I have spoken to have all said that UM is a better team than KSU.

KSU is getting a spot to nationals due to the very curious decision by the SECRHL to award the division winners the top 3 seeds at regionals after officially putting in an email that the seeding would be determined by points alone. By getting the 3 seed over Miami who had more points in the regular season, they avoided playing Tampa until the finals.

[BEEZERAL]

Miami on any given day could beat any team in the SECRHL DIV I or II. I totally agree with the post of key losses GMU UT and Kennesaw. My personal opinion is that they should have gone DI. A school that size should have a talent pool to play at that level. Food for thought, they are still a top 10 DII team in the NCRHA... Gloveside

Wait you think we should go DI???

Our school is tiny by any standards. we have a little over 10,000 students when you include Grad students. Our talent pool is extremely small, especially when you add in how difficult of a school it is to get into. We had 14 players show up to tryouts this year and 11 of them were fowards. This was the first year we had any sort of organization and the result was the new jerseys and equipment for our players. If the club continues to grow and gets more recognition around campus and helps us attract more players we will consider the move to D1, but I dont see that move happening until a few years after I have graduated

[kleinberg13]

And Miami lost to Kennesaw, Tampa, and George Mason.... You can make a case that they deserve to go, but those losses lead too much to them not getting a bid unfortunately.

You could say the exact same thing for nuemann then...including playoffs they are a combined 1-5 against rowan, wester chester, and brockport who are all locks for bids...and has a loss to temple...their 9-2 win over george mason is what could save them...missouri s and t is another questionable team...its seem so hard to judge the great plains since they dont have pool play

[BEEZERAL]

You could say the exact same thing for nuemann then...including playoffs they are a combined 1-5 against rowan, wester chester, and brockport who are all locks for bids...and has a loss to temple...their 9-2 win over george mason is what could save them...missouri s and t is another questionable team...its seem so hard to judge the great plains since they dont have pool play

exactly, Neumann is a lock for Nationals and Miami is on the outside looking in. IMO Neumann deserves a bid to nationals because while they have not had much success against top teams in their conference but are clearly qualified for nationals. Miami is the same way. We had some things not go our way and when we had to play teams was more important than actually playing those teams.

I know I have made nothing but excuses but I know our team deserves the opportunity to compete at nationals, and like I said before, im still not happy that KSU was given the all important 3 seed at regionals

[Patn Lawton]

exactly, Neumann is a lock for Nationals and Miami is on the outside looking in. IMO Neumann deserves a bid to nationals because while they have not had much success against top teams in their conference but are clearly qualified for nationals. Miami is the same way. We had some things not go our way and when we had to play teams was more important than actually playing those teams.

I know I have made nothing but excuses but I know our team deserves the opportunity to compete at nationals, and like I said before, im still not happy that KSU was given the all important 3 seed at regionals


Let's also consider the scores of the games Neumann lost against top teams also. They lost to WCU in the regional semis by one, lost to Brockport towards the end of the season by one, and beat Rowan in regionals. In my opinion they were the second best team at regionals this past weekend, after WCU of course.

[BEEZERAL]

Let's also consider the scores of the games Neumann lost against top teams also. They lost to WCU in the regional semis by one, lost to Brockport towards the end of the season by one, and beat Rowan in regionals. In my opinion they were the second best team at regionals this past weekend, after WCU of course.

again, that could be attributed to miami as well. Miami gave UT better games in the two games both teams played than KSU gave UT in the finals.

[PureHockey111]

Personally i feel Miami is more qualified to go to nationals over kennesaw, however kennesaw had a totally different team second semester which makes the comparison process even more complicated. Either way it looks like nationals will be very interesting with any team really having a chance to make a run.

[tourdragon87]

You just said yourself that kennesaw was a different team the second semester. How can you then say that Miami should go over KSU. They played both of you the second semester and beat both of you. I don't think the consensus of other teams on the league is that Miami is a better team than KSU. Just sayin I don't think there needs to be a poll or another thread about this. And also why does it seem that is only secrhl and ecrha on here...

[BEEZERAL]

Let's also consider the scores of the games Neumann lost against top teams also. They lost to WCU in the regional semis by one, lost to Brockport towards the end of the season by one, and beat Rowan in regionals. In my opinion they were the second best team at regionals this past weekend, after WCU of course.


You just said yourself that kennesaw was a different team the second semester. How can you then say that Miami should go over KSU. They played both of you the second semester and beat both of you. I don't think the consensus of other teams on the league is that Miami is a better team than KSU. Just sayin I don't think there needs to be a poll or another thread about this. And also why does it seem that is only secrhl and ecrha on here...



those conferences have posters on here, simple as that.

You are right KSU did beat us that has already been established and you are right that KSU improved the second half of the season. and of course I am biased thinking that my team deserved a bid. that loss to KSU was our worst played game of the season. on paper KSU deserves the bid over us. there is no denying that, but if you talk to the top teams around the SECRHL, when we are on the top of our game we can beat anybody in the SECRHL regardless of division

[tourdragon87]

Im pretty sure if you ask any team in the SECRHL when on top of their game ANY of them can beat either one. Im sure a lot of teams didnt play their best every single second of every game, if that was the case then we would be talking about Lindenwood and UMSL. That is a big step. But in order to make a case. you need to play good when it counts and it seems as if thats what these teams did.

[FAUplayer]

Beezeral, anyone but FAU. At tge top of your game it's a 7-4 win for FAU. Just a reminder ;)

[BEEZERAL]

Beezeral, anyone but FAU. At tge top of your game it's a 7-4 win for FAU. Just a reminder ;)

hahaha that is true. we will never ever beat FAU.

[PureHockey111]

Im pretty sure if you ask any team in the SECRHL when on top of their game ANY of them can beat either one. Im sure a lot of teams didnt play their best every single second of every game, if that was the case then we would be talking about Lindenwood and UMSL. That is a big step. But in order to make a case. you need to play good when it counts and it seems as if thats what these teams did.

Totally true, perfect example is mason beating rowan and then laying a turd agaisnt nuemann. every team has their highs and lows. i mean thats what makes this **** so good and unpredictable, this whole season just simply doesnt make sense for anyone on paper. kennesaw does have the weaker record and they have lost to some pretty bad teams, and then they go and beat miami and mason. just straight confusing. i think the SECRHL is just horrible at consistency throughout their teams to be honest. i know its always a question if we show up or not. At the end of the day the best teams win in the toughest situations. aka nationals...

[thebenchman]

again, that could be attributed to miami as well. Miami gave UT better games in the two games both teams played than KSU gave UT in the finals.

I have NEVER heard so much WHINING from any one person before.

You lost to George Mason you lost to KSU. Head to head. When the games that you NEEDED to win you didnt. Stop complaining about the seeds. In EVERY type of playoff factor, in any sport, the division winners get the top seeds. If you are unhappy with the division you should take it up with your Conference. Every year it happens in the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL. a team that didnt win their division gets knocked out of the playoffs even with more wins than one of the division winners.

You got an inviteas an alternate. Be gracious enough to say thank you!

Your comments about what "other" teams are saying to you about how you are so much better than KSU or George Mason means nothing. Why did I personally hear the same things from the same teams in STL about KSU and George Mason? Do you really think that teams will be so silly as to make bulletin board material and talk about a team they may have to play in the future. I honestly believe UT, West Chester or any other team do not care who they play. They just play to win. It doesnt matter who THEY want in the Nationals. Good Luck to them!!

Last fact is you nor do I pick the teams who get the invite. There is a board that picks the deserving teams to go. Not a team in the division, a player or aperson throwing to a dart board. You EARN the invite. If you would have played the game you say you have YOU would have made the invite NOT as an alternate. You didnt. Move forward.

Then go to your local store and buy a nice block of cheddar cheese!

[BEEZERAL]

I have NEVER heard so much WHINING from any one person before.

You lost to George Mason you lost to KSU. Head to head. When the games that you NEEDED to win you didnt. Stop complaining about the seeds. In EVERY type of playoff factor, in any sport, the division winners get the top seeds. If you are unhappy with the division you should take it up with your Conference. Every year it happens in the NHL, MLB, NBA and NFL. a team that didnt win their division gets knocked out of the playoffs even with more wins than one of the division winners.

You got an inviteas an alternate. Be gracious enough to say thank you!

Your comments about what "other" teams are saying to you about how you are so much better than KSU or George Mason means nothing. Why did I personally hear the same things from the same teams in STL about KSU and George Mason? Do you really think that teams will be so silly as to make bulletin board material and talk about a team they may have to play in the future. I honestly believe UT, West Chester or any other team do not care who they play. They just play to win. It doesnt matter who THEY want in the Nationals. Good Luck to them!!

Last fact is you nor do I pick the teams who get the invite. There is a board that picks the deserving teams to go. Not a team in the division, a player or aperson throwing to a dart board. You EARN the invite. If you would have played the game you say you have YOU would have made the invite NOT as an alternate. You didnt. Move forward.

Then go to your local store and buy a nice block of cheddar cheese!

yea, I know im whining. ive admitted it multiple times. I am just very frustrated about some of the events that played out at the end of our season. There is way more than just wins and losses that went on that contributed to our losing our bid to nationals and I am not going to lie, I am very angry about it. If some of these things had happened to your team I promise you that you would be just as angry as i am.

Ill say it again, good luck to the teams that got bids to nationals, well see you next year

[thebenchman]

Beezeral

I really dont have a team per se. I love the sport period. It is an incredible game and those who do know me know how I feel about it. If your still talking about the seeding in the regionals, you really need to understand how it always works. If you feel jilted by that there had to be a misunderstanding on the seedings. Then you talk to and prove your point in the error of seedings. However, I have NEVER witnessed that the top point team in a conference go 1,2 and 3 when there are specific divisions. If the SECRHL had all the teams in ONE division, you still wouldnt have a valid point, KSU had one more point than you did. Yes they did play more game too, but you had the same opportunity to play out of conference. They chose to come to STL as did UT. George Mason went up to the ECRHA. If you look at overall point for the year, UT finished #1 and KSU in the SECRHL for the year overall. George Mason finished 3rd. All 3 won THIER divisions too.If i am not mistaken. Who got the bids?

Its not real rocket science.

Years ago I read where Bear Bryant said the difference in winning the National championship and not getting into the game was ONE play. If in every game, ONE player played on ONE play, their BEST in THAT game it would make THE difference. It looked to be a good year for you. The games that you had to win to get to the point you wanted to get too didnt happen.

Dont hang your head about THIS year, its not over... till everyone accepts their bids. You MAY still get a chance to prove what you say. If so, good on ya!

[GMU18]

yea, I know im whining. ive admitted it multiple times. I am just very frustrated about some of the events that played out at the end of our season. There is way more than just wins and losses that went on that contributed to our losing our bid to nationals and I am not going to lie, I am very angry about it. If some of these things had happened to your team I promise you that you would be just as angry as i am.

Ill say it again, good luck to the teams that got bids to nationals, well see you next year

BEEZERAL, Seeing as i have no money and nationals aren't cheap you'll probably be able to go over the GMU team which you guys are so much better than.

[BEEZERAL]

BEEZERAL, Seeing as i have no money and nationals aren't cheap you'll probably be able to go over the GMU team which you guys are so much better than.

Well im gathering a pool together from my teamates in an attempt to buy somebody elses bid.

So far we are willing to offer,

A cuban Steak Sandwhich made by #68's mom

A date with #87's GF.

A party promoted by # 26, including an appearance by the Situation and Snookie.

An array of snacks from #69's mom.

A lesson in style and modeling from #89, Scotty Johnson

You can have my GF straight up, Nationals before hoes.

And $12.34

Any takers???

[Ben Lambert]

Move up to D1 and you'd automatically be the 4th alternate

[BEEZERAL]

Move up to D1 and you'd automatically be the 4th alternate

DI is something that is definately been talked about by our team. This was the first year in our teams history that there was any sort of organization, and the result was obvious, we had new uniforms and matching gloves and helmets for all the players. In years past we would practice about 5 times the entire season. This year there was much more consistency, but still not at a level that would have made us the best team we could be.

We also had a pretty strong team this year and should be better next year.

If it was not for GMU and their major improvement from a joke to a contender I would say that we are the most improved team in the country in terms of organization and competitiveness.

Before we are truly ready to make the jump to DI our team needs to be more committed to practicing regularly and things like that.

My goal before I leave after next season is to leave the team in capable hands that will continue to improve the team so it can join DI in the next couple years. I won't allow UM to be known as a bunch of sandbaggers that live at the top of DII and never make the jump to DI

[hockeykid12]

who are the sandbaggers of d2?

[NCSU17]

who are the sandbaggers of d2?

Neumann, Brockport, WCU, Tampa, Rowan to name a few. There are probably about 10 D2 teams that would have made D1 nationals and kicked out some of the weaker D1 teams.

[hockeykid12]

Neumann, Brockport, WCU, Tampa, Rowan to name a few. There are probably about 10 D2 teams that would have made D1 nationals and kicked out some of the weaker D1 teams.



other than neumann none of those teams have won titles. so when they move up and the next batch of teams roll over d2 does that mean they keep moving up until d1 has like 459 teams in it?

the league has parity, especially in d2, no team dominates it year in year out like lindenwood does in D1. Neumann has won 2 titles and made final four for years but they arent consistantly winning and wrecking everyone.

[GSJaguars11]

brockport didnt even make nationals last year.. we're in our 2nd year and lost probably our top 2 guys from last year. If we knew we were getting such good replacements for them we probably would have moved up. Tampa lost games by 8 and 9 goals last year at the d2 nationals so I dont think they should have moved up either. Just saying that these teams didnt expect their seasons to have this success

[Ben Lambert]

DI is something that is definately been talked about by our team. This was the first year in our teams history that there was any sort of organization, and the result was obvious, we had new uniforms and matching gloves and helmets for all the players. In years past we would practice about 5 times the entire season. This year there was much more consistency, but still not at a level that would have made us the best team we could be.

We also had a pretty strong team this year and should be better next year.

If it was not for GMU and their major improvement from a joke to a contender I would say that we are the most improved team in the country in terms of organization and competitiveness.

Before we are truly ready to make the jump to DI our team needs to be more committed to practicing regularly and things like that.

My goal before I leave after next season is to leave the team in capable hands that will continue to improve the team so it can join DI in the next couple years. I won't allow UM to be known as a bunch of sandbaggers that live at the top of DII and never make the jump to DI

Now here's a man with vision, drive, and a long term goal within his organization: take notice, NCRHA. This is the type of person who we need in the league!! Good luck!!

[alex]

Doesn't matter if top D2 teams haven't won titles, if they can be competitive with the majority of D1 teams then, all things being equal, they should move up. Saying Lindenwood wins every year isn't good enough reason. There's 35+ other teams playing D1 that know they'd need a small miracle to beat Lindenwood most times but they still play D1 and most are competitive. The league will get better by top D2 teams moving up raising the level of D1 and pushing the lower level D1 teams to get better or they'll move down.

[William Bourque]

Neumann, Brockport, WCU, Tampa, Rowan to name a few. There are probably about 10 D2 teams that would have made D1 nationals and kicked out some of the weaker D1 teams.

It is pretty easy to throw stones at teams for not moving out of DII, when in reality you don't know the situation of the teams/schools.

How about we focus on the schools that went out and did think right and paved the roads for teams to follow, and trust me, some teams will be following.

Hofstra and Stony Brook are both DII schools, that have played in DI. Hofstra never having the success of Stony Brook (National Champs), and both squads sticking out Division I and earning a bid, and first alternate bid respectively.


More teams that fit this bill, Florida Atlantic, UT-Dallas, ULL, Central Michigan, UMSL, etc...

Give things time, things don't happen overnight, hell it took UMSL quite a few years of pure domination, much more so that what Rowan, Brockport and West Chester have put together to move up.

Why the focus on those teams, why not focus on teams like UC San Digeo, Missouri State, Missouri S&T, SIU-Edwardsville, etc, all teams who have been in the nationals picture for multiple years.

How is SIUE and Rowan any different? They are both in their 2nd season in the NCRHA, Rowan hasn't won anything, SIUE has won a regional championship, but Rowan get's called sandbaggers?

[hockeykid12]

^^ because everyone knows the east is just better so when nationals comes around its the east that beats up on the "top tier" other regions teams, with the exception of the good teams like GVS

[Ben Lambert]

^^ because everyone knows the east is just better so when nationals comes around its the east that beats up on the "top tier" other regions teams, with the exception of the good teams like GVS

LOL!!!!

Riiiiiight. It's because the best teams in GP play D1 and one of the best teams that SHOULD be at nationals is the first alternate.

That's also why the east has had so many D1 championships, too, right? Keep it coming I love it.

[NCSU17]

other than neumann none of those teams have won titles. so when they move up and the next batch of teams roll over d2 does that mean they keep moving up until d1 has like 459 teams in it?

the league has parity, especially in d2, no team dominates it year in year out like lindenwood does in D1. Neumann has won 2 titles and made final four for years but they arent consistantly winning and wrecking everyone.

It doesn't matter that they have won titles. What matters is that they could be very competitive in D1. Don't tell me that those teams wouldn't be great D1 teams because they would.

[NCSU17]

It is pretty easy to throw stones at teams for not moving out of DII, when in reality you don't know the situation of the teams/schools.

How about we focus on the schools that went out and did think right and paved the roads for teams to follow, and trust me, some teams will be following.

Hofstra and Stony Brook are both DII schools, that have played in DI. Hofstra never having the success of Stony Brook (National Champs), and both squads sticking out Division I and earning a bid, and first alternate bid respectively.


More teams that fit this bill, Florida Atlantic, UT-Dallas, ULL, Central Michigan, UMSL, etc...

Give things time, things don't happen overnight, hell it took UMSL quite a few years of pure domination, much more so that what Rowan, Brockport and West Chester have put together to move up.

Why the focus on those teams, why not focus on teams like UC San Digeo, Missouri State, Missouri S&T, SIU-Edwardsville, etc, all teams who have been in the nationals picture for multiple years.

How is SIUE and Rowan any different? They are both in their 2nd season in the NCRHA, Rowan hasn't won anything, SIUE has won a regional championship, but Rowan get's called sandbaggers?

Yea i agree, not trying to "throw stones" just listing some teams that have the talent to be top D1 teams.

[alex]

Why the focus on those teams, why not focus on teams like UC San Digeo, Missouri State, Missouri S&T, SIU-Edwardsville, etc, all teams who have been in the nationals picture for multiple years.


As one of the few west coasters on this site, I do think UCSD should move up to D1. I don't know the particulars of their situation but, to me, that's a good example of a team who should move up: they seem well organized, 95% matching stuff, top team year after year, and I know they'd be competitive with most WCRHL D1 teams. I'm sure there are similar examples in each region.

Most teams are not going to compete with Lindenwood but that shouldn't be your test for moving up or not. Speaking from Arizona State's perspective, our goal is one day to compete with the best D1 teams so we work towards that. In the meantime, we're competitive with most teams and that's good enough. If your team can have a reasonable shot at going to nationals in D1 and being reasonably competitive, you should look into moving up.

[Ben Lambert]

It is pretty easy to throw stones at teams for not moving out of DII, when in reality you don't know the situation of the teams/schools.

How about we focus on the schools that went out and did think right and paved the roads for teams to follow, and trust me, some teams will be following.

Hofstra and Stony Brook are both DII schools, that have played in DI. Hofstra never having the success of Stony Brook (National Champs), and both squads sticking out Division I and earning a bid, and first alternate bid respectively.


More teams that fit this bill, Florida Atlantic, UT-Dallas, ULL, Central Michigan, UMSL, etc...

Give things time, things don't happen overnight, hell it took UMSL quite a few years of pure domination, much more so that what Rowan, Brockport and West Chester have put together to move up.

Why the focus on those teams, why not focus on teams like UC San Digeo, Missouri State, Missouri S&T, SIU-Edwardsville, etc, all teams who have been in the nationals picture for multiple years.

How is SIUE and Rowan any different? They are both in their 2nd season in the NCRHA, Rowan hasn't won anything, SIUE has won a regional championship, but Rowan get's called sandbaggers?

I'd like to point out that I have stated numerous times that SIUE, MO St. and Mo S&T should move (back) up to D1...

[InlineMBA]

LOL!!!!

Riiiiiight. It's because the best teams in GP play D1 and one of the best teams that SHOULD be at nationals is the first alternate.

That's also why the east has had so many D1 championships, too, right? Keep it coming I love it.

To steal a line from Sgt. Hulka, "Lightin' up Francis", and I mean that respectfully.

Lets not paint a broad stroke and make this an East vs the rest of the U.S. because of one person's opinion.

I see things completely different and more in line with you Ben. So, let's not start a civil war. We are all in this together, one way or another.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[Ben Lambert]

Ha, love that movie.

I'll try and keep my this team should be in this team shouldn't arguments to myself.

[wgabelm]

Ha, love that movie.

I'll try and keep my this team should be in this team shouldn't arguments to myself.


Lets try not to man, you played like 7 seasons, you were bound to win something....

[William Bourque]

I'd like to point out that I have stated numerous times that SIUE, MO St. and Mo S&T should move (back) up to D1...

I know. I am just pointing out that people seem to have some opinion that its basically the ECRHA vs Everyone else. When in reality, we are all in the same boat and the sooner we work together the better things will go.

From an ECRHA perspective, we are working on finding ways to get teams to move into DI.

Our DIII is working in getting teams to move to DII, I have a feeling that 2-3 of those teams from DIII will be making the jump next year, and I have a feeling that 2-3 teams from DII will be going to DI.

However, there is a long time between now and the beginning of the season and we can only provide the support for the teams willing to make the jump.

It's not fair for me, in Pennsylvania to judge/insult teams from Missouri, Florida, Colorado, Michigan, or California for not moving up. Frankly, I have no idea why any team does what they do and to insinuate any other way just isn't fair to each team and their individual situation.

The current system is better than the old system, and I feel it is slowly working. The way teams talk about DI vs DII has changed, the players attitudes of DI vs DII has changed, all for the better, and drastically altering the current format will set things back even further. IMHO.

[InlineMBA]

NARCh has got the right idea: Platinum, Gold, Silver - where you qualify is where you play. If you want to play up - more power to you. If you want to play down - stay home.

However, I have no proposal on how to make a system like this work in the NCRHA.

Like I've said before though, if a DII team does move up to DI, it's not like they're locked in for a lifetime. They can always drop back down to DII.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[Ben Lambert]

Lets try not to man, you played like 7 seasons, you were bound to win something....


Yeah, I suppose so. A few of them were only half-seasons if you want to be technical about it. I wonder if the NCRHA would let me combine them and come back and play another?

The first CRHL season consisted of an UMSL D1 team that played premier league LU to an 11-1 thrashing featuring yours truly in goal. It was awesome. I think I played like 3 games that year.

Don't be jealous that I played college hockey for 7 years and you only get 5 ;)

[hocky98]

Moved to new thread

[Ben Lambert]

I know. I am just pointing out that people seem to have some opinion that its basically the ECRHA vs Everyone else. When in reality, we are all in the same boat and the sooner we work together the better things will go.

From an ECRHA perspective, we are working on finding ways to get teams to move into DI.

Our DIII is working in getting teams to move to DII, I have a feeling that 2-3 of those teams from DIII will be making the jump next year, and I have a feeling that 2-3 teams from DII will be going to DI.

However, there is a long time between now and the beginning of the season and we can only provide the support for the teams willing to make the jump.

It's not fair for me, in Pennsylvania to judge/insult teams from Missouri, Florida, Colorado, Michigan, or California for not moving up. Frankly, I have no idea why any team does what they do and to insinuate any other way just isn't fair to each team and their individual situation.

The current system is better than the old system, and I feel it is slowly working. The way teams talk about DI vs DII has changed, the players attitudes of DI vs DII has changed, all for the better, and drastically altering the current format will set things back even further. IMHO.

I talked to one of the guys from SIUE and even though they are going to be losing Walker, they are still thinking about moving up, which is awesome. The only problem they have is a lack of guys who are roller-only players and so they lose half of their roster to their two ice teams. If they could convince some Chicago talent to come to STL, they would be able to weed out the guys who aren't committed enough to play.

Missouri S&T is also a big strong team with a good goalie. If they have their goalie and most of the roster returning, I feel like a return to D1 is in order.

MO St.'s roster seems to be in limbo from year to year, but they could probably also consider a move to D1. They have a strong coaching staff and are well organized which are two key ingredients to making it in D1.

SLU suffers from lack of depth, 6 skaters just isn't enough to make it in D1, and barely in D2. The only team that has gone far with that many players was that cali team a few years back (who were coachless and had a 6 or 7 man roster and still ended up going far. It was amazing and I wish I remembered which team it was). SLU has 6 solid guys on their squad and are much better than their record indicates. If they could get two average players on top of their solid 6, they'd be on the brink of being a D1 ready squad. They also have a good goalie.

Truman is in desperate need of another influx of talent. They have a few cornerstone type guys, but need to add solid skaters to the mix. I really hope this program bounces back soon. They were always a blast to play against back in the day.

I didn't see enough of the Illini squad to really judge where they're at this year.

STLCOP is a program who is on the rise as well. They look like a D1 squad, but their play needs to catch up with their nice unis and equipment. I have a feeling it will.

That's the long-winded GP D2 wrap up of who is where and who could move up...

On the other hand, a team without a strong B squad to replace A guys is always only a year away from folding/sucking...

[InlineMBA]

The only team that has gone far with that many players was that cali team a few years back (who were coachless and had a 6 or 7 man roster and still ended up going far. It was amazing and I wish I remembered which team it was).

It was UC Irvine with Middleton & Tasch.

http://ncrha.org/team.php?team_id=52145&area=stats

Man, their playoff game at Nationals, with only 5 skaters, vs Lindenwood was a blast to watch. They had a game plan and stuck to it. If you weren't from Lindenwood - you were cheering for UC Irvine.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[osu_buckeyes]

Man, their playoff game at Nationals, with only 5 skaters, vs Lindenwood was a blast to watch. They had a game plan and stuck to it. If you weren't from Lindenwood - you were cheering for UC Irvine.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

Isn't that always the case, if you aren't from Lindenwood you are always cheering the other team? :)

Seriously though, I've got to give it up to UC Irvine and Middleton that year. We went in to our game against them planning to cover Middleton the entire game. We pretty much did that... and he still scored 4 goals on us in a 6-5 game. And then there was the Stony Brook game, enough said.

[NCSU17]

The UC Irvine game against Stony Brook was so epic. Though I though Tasch was a more valuable player than Middleton at nationals.

[ISFN]

The UC Irvine game against Stony Brook was so epic. Though I though Tasch was a more valuable player than Middleton at nationals.

Agreed, both great players, one more offensively than the other but Tasch seemed to be the backbone of the team.

[NUHockey72]

Weighing in on the DII to DI debate there's definitely some factors people may be overlooking; amount of seniors, lack of a B team to feed in new players money issues, etc. With teams in the east like Neumann and West Chester there really shouldn't be any question in whether or not to move forward into a new division.

This year at Northeastern we had a goal to enter the ECRHA at DIII because it was economically the best choice due to the small amount of funding we receive from Campus Recreation. At the beginning of the season our goals were: to consistently win at the DIII level, to see how skilled our team core was in comparison to the rest of the league and our division, to find out the expenses necessary to sustain a DIII team, and if we were to complete the task of winning a championship to immediately promote ourselves into the next division since winning regionals is the highest possible achievement in DIII. We did this so our plan is to move up to DII, our next goal is to make nationals and if that is done to create a B team.

I feel like those goals should apply to all teams in DII, if in 4 years you are a dominant or winning team, you are able to win regionals, make it to nationals, and garnish enough funds to easily sustain a team (and a B team) you should move up, if you can not then you should not. It's pretty simple, you don't get better only having competition from 3 teams a year.

[InlineMBA]

Agreed, both great players, one more offensively than the other but Tasch seemed to be the backbone of the team.

Agreed. Middleton cherry picked, while Tasch quarterbacked the team. Their goalie was hot stuff too.

Watching that game (UC Irvine, with no coach vs Lindenwood with 3 coaches) was a hoot, especially when the Lindenwood bench got two minor penalties for having to many men on the rink. Maybe there's something to this no coach thing. (No offense coaches - incl. Mr. Ian Mackie)

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8