OK, how WE would do things...

[ACCCT2]

OK...

I've finally decided to "come down from the mountain" and am letting everyone here on IHC know that we now have 3 international inline hockey events fully set for the coming 24 months. A brief precis of what is presently being finalized and planned for with all of these events:

There will be one event each in North America, Europe and Asia. All 3 are in amazing "vacation" destinations (during "vacation" times of the year).

All 3 will feature 64 team draws (16 teams max from 4 regions: USA, Canada, Europe & "The Rest" so as to insure full and fair global participation).

All 3 will feature over $400,000 USD in "purse/prize-money" for each event ($200,000 1st; $100,000 2nd; $50,000 3rd; $25,000 4th; $10,000 "MVP"; $5,000 each for being "Best" in/as "Goals", "Assists", "Points", "Defenseman", "Goalie" & "Captain").

All 3 will feature an entry fee per team of $2,500 USD per team and ALL teams will be required to book travel and accommodations ("event travel packages") through each of the events' respective "event travel partners" ("event travel packages" will include all international "gateway" airfares, hotel accommodations and all airport/hotel/game transfers, as well as all event parties, special events and diplomatic receptions). The "event travel packages" will feature special discounted "zone-fare" pricing that makes the entire team/player/fan registration, booking and confirmation process an easy, affordable and care-free "one-stop-shopping" experience. The "event travel packages" will be available ONLY on the event websites (due for May 1, 2010 'roll-out' -- stay tuned to IHC for more "ads" and more on all of this).

We are also currently working on a 4th "Super-event" that will be held in Europe, though some key final details are still being worked out. We're presently talking about offering an additional $100,000 "bonus" for any team that would win either the "Trifecta" (for all 3) or $200,000 for the "Grand Slam" (for all 4) of these events -- either all in the "same calendar year" or all consecutively "in a row" (we're still discussing the "plus/minus" issues of this particular "same/row" part of the "bonus" scenarios).

The most interesting aspect of all of these events is that a very unique interpretation and application of "Co-ed Rules" will apply to all 3 events. While each team can choose whether or not to roster women (or men?), should a woman score a goal at any point in any game, that "goal" will be scored as 3 points on the scoreboard. We believe that this will encourage teams to roster women (almost like basketball's "3-point" specialists) and help grow the game on an international "inclusive" and "cross-gender" (!?) basis. Imagine actually seeing teams putting out MORE women on a power-play or penalty-killing or end-of-game situation in order to maximize and possibly capitalize on their "3-point" capabilities. A game would NEVER be "over" until it was truly "over" with these very dynamic and exciting scoring rules in place. It would also be, by the way, the very first time ever that a series of major "team sport" championships would feature men and women playing on the same court/surface with and against each other. And WOW, just try to imagine the much more inclusive, exciting and FUN atmosphere that all of the pre and post game social gatherings would feel like and engender (pun intended!). We firmly feel that pro-actively including and encouraging women to participate on a "Co-ed" basis is a vital part of setting our sport above, apart and far-and-away much more ad-affinity-effective from all the others out there and will ultimately encourage even more young girls and women to play, a key factor in making our sport a truly unique, exciting, inspiring and attractive sponsorship vehicle.

All of this said, we'd like to put out this "feedback/feeler" forum-post to help us in gauging the up-front interest and response (basically for "value-ing" the attendant advertising/sponsorship support opportunities) that these events would generate within the international inline hockey community.

Looking forward to all your replies and obviously, in good old passionately IHC-forum-posting style, let us know what you think in general.;)

All the Biscuit-Best to ALL,

ACCCT2

[Hockeydevil29]

Love the idea of sticking a female player out there, doubt it'd be a problem if some 6'2" 230lb pro player came barreling into a 5'0 100lb woman. Hope you have good insurance.

Any thought to a player in a wheelchair scoring and awarding 5 points? Or an assist from a monkey or player under 10 years old counting as 10? hey at least "no game will ever be over"...

[siberian khatru]

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/8/4/7/2/p184726_index.html

http://tcgayhockey.org/about/

What standards are being used to determine that a player is "really" a woman? What could stop a formerly male player from getting on a roster as a female player and racking up points for a team?

I'm all for women joining leagues and playing on co-ed teams but this scoring rule seems a little too gimmicky and patronizing.

[Hockeydevil29]

Also what if the desired amount of teams do not play, I'm not sure if there are even 64 teams in the world to participate. So if only 6 teams decide to play, do the prizes still stay the same.

I am pretty sure that the other National tournaments that offer money prizes do not base it on "if" they get a million teams to pay registration fees and also pay "travel packages" that money is also earned from. There is a set prize and no matter if 6, 8, or 16 teams play that is the prize.

[ACCCT2]

Hey, I know I'm gonna' take really cheap-shots on this one.;)

FYI: The game is DYING, dudes, much the way that the NBA was dying before David Stern, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and yes, the 3-point play came along and saved it.

As for "barreling into a 5'0 100lb woman" -- hey, besides the fact that most international inline hockey leagues and tournaments are non-checking anyways, I know some top-notch women that would (and could) put any PIHA or AIHL player flat on their butts whatever the rules were. Besides being what sponsors are looking for ('cuz the game as it now stands SUCKS, marketing-wise), we've already got a lot of international women's "national" ice hockey team players very excited and on-board, so I'm really not too concerned with an uninformed, small-minded and chauvinistic "Archie-Bunker-ish" assessment of either the events' insurability or long-term prospects.

With virtually NO HOPE in sight for any kind of truly "elite" or paid-to-play "pro" league in sight, this quite frankly is the BEST you're ever going to get challenge-wise (or maybe YOU like "barreling" into anything or anybody for NOTHING, eh?).

[ACCCT2]

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/8/4/7/2/p184726_index.html

http://tcgayhockey.org/about/

What standards are being used to determine that a player is "really" a woman? What could stop a formerly male player from getting on a roster a female player and racking up points for a team?

I'm all for women joining leagues and playing on co-ed teams but this scoring rule seems a little too gimmicky and patronizing.

LOL!!!:eek:

Internationally recognized "Legal" standards will apply (HONESTLY, dudes -- you don't know what constitutes a "real" woman -- SAD!).

In short -- OUR event, OUR "rules", OUR "purse" = OUR call. Take it or leave it, whatever "gimmicky and patronizing" way you want to.;)

[Hockeydevil29]

I love your analogies. First off I am not being chauvinistic by saying that a woman could get REALLY hurt if pro players are out for blood trying to win 200k. I know guys that would break their sisters arm in a game just to win a house league tshirt so I could only imagine what would happen here.

You compare this to the NBA and talk about the sport as dying. Well for years the talk was that the NHL was dying, so if all of a sudden Gary Bettman announced that female players were allowed to play and their scores would be worth more, you don't think everyone would call it a joke...including you.

I will make my statement today Nov 11th 2009 that in the year 2010 you will not run 3 MAJOR events with 64 teams in each giving away over 400k in each. I hope you do...but talk is cheap and I only criticize because you'd be the first to do the same to anyone else.

[siberian khatru]

LOL!!!:eek:

Internationally recognized "Legal" standards will apply (HONESTLY, dudes -- you don't know what constitutes a "real" woman -- SAD!).

In short -- OUR event, OUR "rules", OUR "purse" = OUR call. Take it or leave it, whatever "gimmicky and patronizing" way you want to.;)

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/08/caster-semenya-debate-some-physiology.html

I really didn't mean my response as a cheapshot but obviously you took it that way, hence the crack that I don't know what constitutes a real woman.

The South African runner Caster Semenya recently aced "her" female competition with a man's body type and testosterone levels.

There are tons of North American gay and transgender-friendly hockey leagues: http://tcgayhockey.org/about/links/ , some of which probably have roller hockey players born as men that might want to participate as women if their teams get three points for every goal they score.

It seems you'll be opening these games to controversy and appeals unless a very clear gender definition is distribued to the participants.

[imasieve30]

And just for the record, now that "you" are ready to come out with all this information, who exactly is "we" and "OUR"?

[ACCCT2]

Also what if the desired amount of teams do not play, I'm not sure if there are even 64 teams in the world to participate. So if only 6 teams decide to play, do the prizes still stay the same.

I am pretty sure that the other National tournaments that offer money prizes do not base it on "if" they get a million teams to pay registration fees and also pay "travel packages" that money is also earned from. There is a set prize and no matter if 6, 8, or 16 teams play that is the prize.

Trust me, the are definitely enough teams to play (Europe alone has a very vibrant tournament network that draws some amazingly talented clubs (that the US and Canada could only dream of, BTW) and they'll definitely play.

As for the "if" -- the "purse" is what it is and is based on a full 64 team draw. We're not seeking "a million teams" to play, only 64, no more. However a tournament organizer secures their deals is totally the organizers' business. With corporate sponsorship supporting the "purse" and "event travel packages" as a whole, obviously there is 'performance' parameters tied to that support -- our's is a full 64-team draw.

[ACCCT2]

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/08/caster-semenya-debate-some-physiology.html

I really didn't mean my response as a cheapshot but obviously you took it that way, hence the crack that I don't know what constitutes a real woman.

The South African runner Caster Semenya recently aced "her" female competition with a man's body type and testosterone levels.

There are tons of North American gay and transgender-friendly hockey leagues: http://tcgayhockey.org/about/links/ , some of which probably have roller hockey players born as men that might want to participate as women if their teams get three points for every goal they score.

It seems you'll be opening these games to controversy and appeals unless a very clear gender definition is distribued to the participants.

Hey, I take everything said (and say everything in reply) in GOOD humor!;)

[ACCCT2]

And just for the record, now that "you" are ready to come out with all this information, who exactly is "we" and "OUR"?

Hmmm...I guess you'll just have to wait for the websites, eh?:cool:

[ACCCT2]

I love your analogies. First off I am not being chauvinistic by saying that a woman could get REALLY hurt if pro players are out for blood trying to win 200k. I know guys that would break their sisters arm in a game just to win a house league tshirt so I could only imagine what would happen here.

You compare this to the NBA and talk about the sport as dying. Well for years the talk was that the NHL was dying, so if all of a sudden Gary Bettman announced that female players were allowed to play and their scores would be worth more, you don't think everyone would call it a joke...including you.

I will make my statement today Nov 11th 2009 that in the year 2010 you will not run 3 MAJOR events with 64 teams in each giving away over 400k in each. I hope you do...but talk is cheap and I only criticize because you'd be the first to do the same to anyone else.

Point taken -- I knew what I'd be in for with announcing this one, trust me. And I'm pretty sure myself that the events will do just fine without anyone who chooses to pass on them and play in the other non-renumerated 'medal-fests' that are out there (we're awarding ONLY ONE "champion", not DOZENS).

From here on in, we're going to let the boards do their magical thing and see what comes back from everyone. We value everyone's opinion (positive or negative) and hope that while there's obviously going to be wisecracks and even disbelief, the truth is "we" ARE doing this whether anyone believes it or not.;)

[ACCCT2]

Love the idea of sticking a female player out there, doubt it'd be a problem if some 6'2" 230lb pro player came barreling into a 5'0 100lb woman. Hope you have good insurance.

Any thought to a player in a wheelchair scoring and awarding 5 points? Or an assist from a monkey or player under 10 years old counting as 10? hey at least "no game will ever be over"...

Just a follow-up thought -- it's interesting that you compare otherwise totally worthy, able and enthusiastic female players as akin to "a monkey" or "under 10 years old" or somehow handicaped ("wheelchair") in nature -- this is just the kind of narrow-minded, stunted and chauvinistic thinking that has the sport wallowing in obscurity and near-death-throes...

Hmmm, just a very revealing thought indeed, eh?:rolleyes:

[imasieve30]

Hmmm...I guess you'll just have to wait for the websites, eh?:cool:

No, I don't have to. But if we were interested in waiting, when would we expect this website to be launched?

[ACCCT2]

No, I don't have to. But if we were interested in waiting, when would we expect this website to be launched?

Like I said twice now (including the other IHC posts) -- May 1, 2010.:)

[imasieve30]

Ahh, missed that. Sorry, I know you aren't fond of repeating yourself... ;)

So are there any plans to advertise these events on other forms of media (besides IHC and your website) and if so, what?

[alex]

How can you throw the "chauvinistic" insult out when the basis of all this controversy is your rule which is essentially saying women are not good enough so let's give them extra points when they do well and actually score. I think there's some phrase about a pot and a kettle or a shoe on another foot or, **** I don't know anymore, I'm confused.

Hope this tournament happens (I think) but will be another big black eye on the sport for another big empty promise if you don't follow through.

[Mlrhnorthfan]

I honestly hope this works but I think that it should have been done in different order.

Complete the website, get your ducks in a row, then announce it. By outlining these grand ideas here on IHC its just going to make the majority of those who care hate this idea from the start.

I truly hope that you got your perspectives straight from the female side of the elite inline community. There just isnt the talent or interest overall out there in the numbers needed.

Two years ago at NARCH finals I think there were 5 teams in the womens platnum division. There were only 6 to 8 teams at the FIRS world championships the last three years in the womens division.

There are a couple women in the AIHL/PIHA Elite division now and I KNOW they all wouldnt like "special treatment" in this tourney event because they were women.

Like I said I hope this works but im skeptical right now. A good website is not that expensive or time consuming, think how it looks to us here if there isnt one yet?

but again good luck and I hope that for the sake of the sport you make fools of the skeptics here.

[Hockeydevil29]

OK guys HUGE news, I didn't want to bring this up until the new year but I am bursting at the seams here kids and I can no longer hold it in.

In 2025 I am going to be running a MEGA HUGE Event or should I say 8 HUGE events will run simultaneously. Three of these events will run on Earth and the others will run on the five nearest planets. I already have some scientists at NASA on board with this and they promise me by the first event, space travel to these planets will be relatively easy. You of course must purchase a "travel package" through one of our partners "Jetsons Inc" they will make sure you get a good deal and a safe trip into orbit.

We have too many sponsors to name now already on board and willing to throw beaucoup bucks at our players. We will award 100 million dollars to the overall top team of this UNIVERSAL Tournament Series. Each winner of the 8 events will receive 10 million, with 2nd place winning only 1 million. The high scorer of each event will have a skate named after them and Paris Hilton has agreed to date the Most Valuable Goaltender of each.

One rule that we are implementing that I think will help take this sport to the next level is this. If any player scores a goal on their own planet, then it only counts as one. But if you are an alien to that planet then each goal scored counts for 3 points. Hey Magic and Bird made it work so why can't guys like ET and Alf.

My website will launch some time soon in the next 24 years so please stay tuned and I really hope no one makes fun of me and criticizes this event series as I have worked really hard on it and I have always promised to deliver something so much better than all of the other jokesters in our sport. Until then "Peace Always".

[STEMM]

I knew what I'd be in for with announcing this one, trust me. And I'm pretty sure myself that the events will do just fine without anyone who chooses to pass on them and play in the other non-renumerated 'medal-fests' that are out there (we're awarding ONLY ONE "champion", not DOZENS).

You're going to have 64 teams competing for a $100,000 championship purse??? (yea right)

NARCh Pro had 14 teams this year.

Where are the other 50 teams that can compete with the 14 teams at NARCh going to come from ???

I could play in the Silver Division at any tournament, compete for a medal and have a great time. But why in the Hell would I want to play in your Tournament against the Mudcats where I will have no chance. Most teams are not in it for the prize money. They play Roller Hockey because they enjoy playing the game!

[DblJ44]

LOL!!!:eek:

Internationally recognized "Legal" standards will apply (HONESTLY, dudes -- you don't know what constitutes a "real" woman -- SAD!).

In short -- OUR event, OUR "rules", OUR "purse" = OUR call. Take it or leave it, whatever "gimmicky and patronizing" way you want to.;)

I think what was being asked is a situation my wife was involved in here in the states. She played in a womens league and had a teammate who while legally a woman (birth cert. + drivers liscence + district court). It still stood in the ladies room....

[ACCCT2]

You're going to have 64 teams competing for a $100,000 championship purse??? (yea right)

NARCh Pro had 14 teams this year.

Where are the other 50 teams that can compete with the 14 teams at NARCh going to come from ???

I could play in the Silver Division at any tournament, compete for a medal and have a great time. But why in the Hell would I want to play in your Tournament against the Mudcats where I will have no chance. Most teams are not in it for the prize money. They play Roller Hockey because they enjoy playing the game!

NO, if you could actually read, you'd know that we're planning on 64 teams competing for a $400,000 purse.

And FYI: those "14 teams at NARCh" definitely DON'T represent the be-all and end-all of international inline "elite" play or excellence -- take a trip to Austria, Italy, Finland, France, Germany, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden or Switzerland BEFORE you make that clearly UN-informed assumption. There's only going to be 16 team from the USA allowed, 16 from Canada, 16 from Europe and 16 from everywhere else -- we're pretty sure that we'll have no trouble filling the draw (especially on a "first-paid, first-played" basis).

As for having "no chance" -- we've instituted "anti-ringer" rules (based on season-long roster/eligibility requirements) that will ensure that teams like the Mudcats definitely won't be dominating the draw. Our objectives are a "marketable" and "competitive" tournament/event that will feature truly international talent and 'game' UN-predictability (OUR sponsors' objectives as well).

And hey, if as you say that "Most teams are not in it for the prize money. They play Roller Hockey because they enjoy playing the game!" -- well, GOOD for them -- they can play NARCh "GOLD", "SILVER", "PLATINUM", "DUSTY-PINK" WHATEVER until the cows come home -- we'll definitely survive without them.:)

[Mlrhnorthfan]

Whats the difference between a "season" and a "qualifer"?

Is it a season or just 3 events and a 4th super event?

With all the quotation marks I am reading in circles.

[ACCCT2]

Whats the difference between a "season" and a "qualifer"?

Is it a season or just 3 events and a 4th super event?

With all the quotation marks I am reading in circles.

A "season" means any team's season-long local season -- playing only in tournament "qualifiers" don't (and won't) count.

It is planned to be "just 3 events and a 4th super event" as you seem to clearly understand it.

And I promise our website won't have any "quotations" whatsoever.;)

[STEMM]

NO, if you could actually read, you'd know that we're planning on 64 teams competing for a $400,000 purse.

The $400,000 purse is based on your tournament selling out, and I doubt you will sell out the first year. And with all the friends you've made in the industry, I sure the purse will be much less.


And FYI: those "14 teams at NARCh" definitely DON'T represent the be-all and end-all of international inline "elite" play or excellence -- take a trip to Austria, Italy, Finland, France, Germany, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden or Switzerland BEFORE you make that clearly UN-informed assumption. There's only going to be 16 team from the USA allowed, 16 from Canada, 16 from Europe and 16 from everywhere else --we're pretty sure that we'll have no trouble filling the draw (especially on a "first-paid, first-played" basis)..

Who are some of the 16 American teams that will be traveling overseas to one of your events ?


As for having "no chance" -- we've instituted "anti-ringer" rules (based on season-long roster/eligibility requirements) that will ensure that teams like the Mudcats definitely won't be dominating the draw. Our objectives are a "marketable" and "competitive" tournament/event that will feature truly international talent and 'game' UN-predictability (OUR sponsors' objectives as well).

"anti-ringer" rules??? What the...??? I once had a parent from an opposing youth team that I coach accuse me of bringing ringers to a NARCh qualifier (all local kids). That doesn't make any sence. NEWS FLASH - It's a tournament there are no-such thing as ringers. "anti-ringer" rules are for House Leagues ! Are you going to tell the team that wins it all, sorry there is no prize money for you because you're disqualified. You had a "ringer" on your team. (maybe it's the girl that scored 2 goals and got 6 points on the scoreboard)


And hey, if as you say that "Most teams are not in it for the prize money. They play Roller Hockey because they enjoy playing the game!" -- well, GOOD for them -- they can play NARCh "GOLD", "SILVER", "PLATINUM", "DUSTY-PINK" WHATEVER until the cows come home -- we'll definitely survive without them.:)

Correction - you will NOT survive without them. You need them along with the majority of the teams competing in all tournaments. YOUTH TEAMS

Give me an F'n break, you have been preaching about your up-coming Euro-Tournament for so long, and this is what you come up with ???

[ACCCT2]

The $400,000 purse is based on your tournament selling out, and I doubt you will sell out the first year. And with all the friends you've made in the industry, I sure the purse will be much less.



Who are some of the 16 American teams that will be traveling overseas to one of your events ?



"anti-ringer" rules??? What the...??? I once had a parent from an opposing youth team that I coach accuse me of bringing ringers to a NARCh qualifier (all local kids). That doesn't make any sence. NEWS FLASH - It's a tournament there are no-such thing as ringers. "anti-ringer" rules are for House Leagues ! Are you going to tell the team that wins it all, sorry there is no prize money for you because you're disqualified. You had a "ringer" on your team. (maybe it's the girl that scored 2 goals and got 6 points on the scoreboard)



Correction - you will NOT survive without them. You need them along with the majority of the teams competing in all tournaments. YOUTH TEAMS

Give me an F'n break, you have been preaching about your up-coming Euro-Tournament for so long, and this is what you come up with ???

Again...WOW, the things you guys supposedly so expertly "know" never ceases to amaze me -- FYI: you definitely don't "know" what "friends" I've "made in the industry" -- just as you definitely don't "know" what business and sponsorship deals we have in place for our events. Nor do you "know" anything about the nature and/or parameters of our event "rules" (as they have clearly NOT been released yet). And as far as your expert assessment of our events, well boo-hoo-hoo, I guess we'll be the only $400,000 "House League" tournament in the world, eh (while all you "expert" know-it-alls are playing nonsensical "qualifiers" for an overflowing treasure trove of basically worthless 'medals' that you've definitely overpaid for). GEEZ, why can't you 'fix' things at least a LITTLE bit better since you apparently "know" how things work so well (even when they obviously aren't working so well, and haven't been for quite some time now).:confused:

[quick_dry]

Given that travelling for "The rest" (e.g. southern hemisphere) can often mean a hefty investment of time and effort, can you possibly release some eligibility rules, general timelines etc.

Even if they're not set in stone, something more instructive would at least let others know if they can make a viable team.

Will this conflict with other major tournaments e.g. FIRS or IIHF worlds? I don't know if TORHS did it consciously, but having their Pro division finish in time for players to scoot over to Italy for Worlds was good - nice to see tournaments not conflicting.

I'd support the notion that some don't seem to appreciate the amount of inline played in Europe and the world outside North America.

(edit: I've been around here long enough to kow how this thread would go - but for what it is worth, when I ceased a bearings a day before the flight to Worlds, and no way to get new ones in Australia, ACCCT2 helped out with a list of places in NYC, checking a few stores, and his contact details for my parents who were stopping in NYC for a day, just in case they got lost/needed help. So for what its worth, I don't always agree with his posts, but I don't think he's the evil devil spawn of Satan and a Banker/Politician ;) )

[ACCCT2]

Given that travelling for "The rest" (e.g. southern hemisphere) can often mean a hefty investment of time and effort, can you possibly release some eligibility rules, general timelines etc.

Even if they're not set in stone, something more instructive would at least let others know if they can make a viable team.

Will this conflict with other major tournaments e.g. FIRS or IIHF worlds? I don't know if TORHS did it consciously, but having their Pro division finish in time for players to scoot over to Italy for Worlds was good - nice to see tournaments not conflicting.

I'd support the notion that some don't seem to appreciate the amount of inline played in Europe and the world outside North America.

Thanks, Steve -- I hope I don't get you put on an American flatball-fatwa/hit-list for saying this, but you're the first reasonably sane, polite and encouraging feedback yet! Don't worry though, I knew I'd get ruthlessly skewered with the pre-announcement of these events ("Damned if I did and damned if I didn't" I guess) -- we just wanted to let especially "the rest" of the international hockey world know what's happening and that we'll be guaranteeing a certain amount of draw-space to every global region. Website will have everything else you need to know ("eligibility rules, general timelines, etc.") when it's up on May 1, 2010. Honestly, I don't care about, am NOT bothered by, nor in any way really want any of the crazy wankers that seem to sh*t on everything (including themselves?) signing up and ruining all of our flatballin' FUN...!!!;)

[Stampede#11]

You're not allowed to use the word "wankers" ... give it back ... it's ours!!

You get to use "Jerk" and of course, in the quotation marks you oh so love.

Joking aside, sincerely wish you the best of luck with this (as you have been talking about it for long enough).

More questions than answers at this stage ... but that all helps to build the hype you marketing boys love so much, so I am sure that is calculated.

As long as questions are answered nearer the time ... I am sure you will have some good participation ... I too doubt the number of mens teams you may get to pay their own money to get there (i.e. no sponsored teams full of "ringers") and then the talent may be dilluted, which would be a shame if it is really to be a "best of the best" type scenario.

[ACCCT2]

You're not allowed to use the word "wankers" ... give it back ... it's ours!!

You get to use "Jerk" and of course, in the quotation marks you oh so love.

Joking aside, sincerely wish you the best of luck with this (as you have been talking about it for long enough).

More questions than answers at this stage ... but that all helps to build the hype you marketing boys love so much, so I am sure that is calculated.

As long as questions are answered nearer the time ... I am sure you will have some good participation ... I too doubt the number of mens teams you may get to pay their own money to get there (i.e. no sponsored teams full of "ringers") and then the talent may be dilluted, which would be a shame if it is really to be a "best of the best" type scenario.

Hey...you mean NO 'skewering' at all...!?!:eek:

Seriously -- you're definitely SPOT-ON accurate with everything so "calculatingly" observed ("hype-wise" anyway).;)

Sincerely,

The "Jerk":cool:

[quick_dry]

oh, roughly how many games for each team are you anticipating? What playing rules (FIRS, IIHF, etc)? stop time?

[STEMM]

As the 80's Rap group Public Enemy would say...

[iceman281]

sounds awsm. are these the details? http://www.canadianmoose.org/

[ACCCT2]

sounds awsm. are these the details? http://www.canadianmoose.org/

That's obviously for ice hockey, dude:confused: -- though it's truly fun and very revealing how some people's bizarre thought processes, crazy assumptions and ethical voids can conjure up all sorts of interesting imaginings, isn't it? And just how would you even remotely tie a clearly unrelated ice hockey program to an inline event in GEE, your very first post? Whatever, I'm rather flattered by the assumed connection to a clearly well-packaged program.:cool: