SECRHL schedule discrepencies.

[BEEZERAL]

Is it me or are the schedules for the SECRHL extremely uneven. There are teams who have played a bunch of B teams and few D1 teams, while other teams play more D1 teams then B teams. As far as I know the SECRHL is the only conference where teams play teams outside of their division. The schedules should atleast be equal For example, Every DII should play 10 DII games, 3 B games, and 3 DI games. I know this is tough because the discrepencies of who is at what tourney, but there are major differences each weekend. For example, FAU played 2 B teams and 2 DII teams in Beachton, while UM played 3 DII games and 1 DI game. How can teams be fairly judged on records which as has been proven in the past is all that is used to determine National bid's when teams dont even play even schedules.

Your opinions apreciated.

[AJ Barnett]

As far as I know the SECRHL is the only conference where teams play teams outside of their division.

Colorado State doesn't only play DI, they are the only DI team in the RMCRHL. There games are all against DII and B teams.

[BEEZERAL]

Thats a bit different. There are multiple teams in each division in the SECRHL

[shakezula]

im confused at the fact i just checked the schedule for this weekend in ft myers and fiu B only has 3 games while ucf B has 5 games. i know UF (D1) only has 3 games but they have more games overall this season...

[CUDangled]

You guys have some major "discrepencies" in your schedule. I thought the whole purpose of the "restructuring of the divisions" this year was to allow DII teams to play DII teams (more often) and the same for DI. Why even seperate the divisions if you are just going to play teams (on a regular basis) outside of your division. If it has to happen every once in awhile, fine, but the majority of your games? Wow!

[NYR1199]

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THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN THE LEAGUE SENT ME, not sure if you can see it well, but click on the bottom one

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[JewInNet]

Kennesaw will end up playing 4 D1
FSU will play 6 D1

that is absurd when some teams will play none other 2 or less(yes i know 0 is less than 2 but making a pt)

How can you fairly judge who deserves to be a D2 regional when the schedules are so different. Im not even gonna mention how the south teams beat each other up and the north has a couple a decent teams that run it up there.

Each event has more than enough of each division to bring those numbers down, maybe its time to make D1 and D2 separate events or make each team play at least one event north or south of snellville based on where their school isnt located

[tourdragon87]

Each event has more than enough of each division to bring those numbers down, maybe its time to make D1 and D2 separate events or make each team play at least one event north or south of snellville based on where their school isnt located

I was told that there were some teams that WANTED to travel to other regionals to play against different teams but they did want them too because they had already decided who they wanted to play each other. Therefore leaving some teams not able to play all teams AT LEAST ONCE before regionals, or even getting to see them play.

[rocksforhands]

I have no problem when playing teams from the other divisions, but when regionals come around I believe the seeding and selection should be done by your winning percentage against teams in your division. I think this would make it a little more fair in deciding the seeds and other ideas. We should all have our team reps send our secrhl rep an email with our thoughts. I just think this is the fairest way to be done.

[BEEZERAL]

Honestly, I think the bigger problem is the B teams. Because other than UCF B which can play with almost any team in the SECRHL, the B teams are no where near the level of the other teams in the SECRHL. And it seems that some teams have more of an opportunity to feed off these week teams then other teams.

[rocksforhands]

Since all teams from D1 make regionals there won't be as many discrepencies about it compared to a 18 team D2. Here are winning percentages against D2 teams with the tie breaker of overall winning percentage,then total points,then h2h.

1.FAU 1.00
2.WCU 1.00
3.UT 1.00
4.Kennesaw 1.00
5.Elon .800
6.CofC .667
7.USF .667
8.FSU .600
9.Miami .571
10.Emory .545
11.South Carolina .444
12.JMU .333
13.VT .333
14.GT .167
15.Rad .143
16.UNC .125
17.GMU .000
18.GSU .000

This is as of right now and subject to change. I believe it gets the top 10 into regionals and it is even hard to argue top 8.I even think the seedings are fair as well what does everyone else think.

[gloveside]

Well done in my opinion R4H.. Although Miami would beat CofC 10-2... Your rankings are very close... Gloveside

[William Bourque]

Teams in the ECRHA use to have the same problem with the schedule not being balanced. Teams would play the top teams 2-3 times and the bottom team 1 or not at all, while other teams would play the bottom teams 2-3 times and the top teams not at all.

What happened was at the annual ACC meetings, the team reps urged more balance to the schedule and what resulted was a perfectly balanced schedule. All the teams in our 16 team region play the 3 teams in their conference twice and everyone else once.

It may be too late for this season, but with the proper actions, team reps can force the issue for next season.

[rshock73]

I could not agree more. I run the Kennesaw State team and we have certainly had a difficult schedule. We could have made an issue out of it but decided not too since we felt in the long run it would benefit the team.

That being said, to rank us in regionals based on our overall record would be unfair to say the least. Not only did we play four DI teams, but we played 3 of them in one night. Ignoring the absurd amount of points generated from penalty minutes against us by DI teams (another issue for another day),I would say we played pretty well for a first year team against quality opponents.

If you look at our record against DII or lower teams (7-0-1) and our record against DI teams (0-3-1), I think the message is pretty clear. I agree with rocks' assessment, a different method should be used than was agreed upon before the season started. I certainly don't blame the league for everything; they did the best with what they had. I just think they should adjust their perspective a little.

[rocksforhands]

Now I'd assume the schedule for FT.Myers is final, what games is everyone looking forward to.

Definitely UCF vs FAU and FAU vs UT but what others come to mind

[FAUplayer]

Now I'd assume the schedule for FT.Myers is final, what games is everyone looking forward to.

Definitely UCF vs FAU and FAU vs UT but what others come to mind

Miami vs Florida State

Tampa vs South Florida

[rocksforhands]

Are all teams in d1 goin to regionals and what 8 d2 teams does everyone think will make it in.

[FAUplayer]

Are all teams in d1 goin to regionals and what 8 d2 teams does everyone think will make it in.

I expect to see:

1. FAU
2. UT
3. WC
4. ELON
5. KENN
6. CHARLESTON
7. UM
8. FSU

UM and FSU may not be in top 8 in standings, but they have shown in game they deserve a regional spot.

[BEEZERAL]

Fact is that anyone in the FAU, UT, UM, FSU... conference could run up the score on any team in the other conferences. whatever team(s) get left out from our conference would have a huge reason to be upset.

[FAUplayer]

Fact is that anyone in the FAU, UT, UM, FSU... conference could run up the score on any team in the other conferences. whatever team(s) get left out from our conference would have a huge reason to be upset.

The only team missing from my list from our conference is USF. Do not get me wrong, I know people on the team and they are a very solid team, but it seems like they do not care to be there or play. If they were to make it into regional, I definitely see them doing some damage.

[William Bourque]

Why did they forfeit to Tampa?

[FAUplayer]

Why did they forfeit to Tampa?

They had only 5 players, and I think a few may have been ejected and suspended after some scrums that happened after/during the previous game. Not entirely sure though.

[BEEZERAL]

I wouldnt be surprised if USF had some players suspended. THey are a good team, but they have to short a fuse to keep their cool

[rocksforhands]

FAU player I think that is the correct list of teams that should go to regionals. Even though it may not happen that way I agree with you 100%and a team like south carolina or jmu shouldn't make it over fsu or miami. I also agree that any of our southern teams could beat and run up the score on the northern team but I don't know if that will happen at regionals.

As for national bids I'd say FAU, UT, WCU will get them.

[FAUplayer]

FAU player I think that is the correct list of teams that should go to regionals. Even though it may not happen that way I agree with you 100%and a team like south carolina or jmu shouldn't make it over fsu or miami. I also agree that any of our southern teams could beat and run up the score on the northern team but I don't know if that will happen at regionals.

As for national bids I'd say FAU, UT, WCU will get them.

This is my teams and my first year in the league, and we are nervous as hell about receiving a bid to nationals (even though we sit very well in the standings). From my understandings, the 7 teams that win their regions will get a bid, and then from there 9 bids will be dealt out by the NCRHA to teams they believe deserve a national bid.... Am I correct? Our school has given us ZERO funding, so everything has to be paid for by us somehow, so the earlier we know a definite answer about nationals, the cheaper we can get our plane flights and find cheaper hotel rates....

[William Bourque]

Selection Monday, March 2nd.

That's the earliest your will know, unless you win your regional championship.

[William Bourque]

They had only 5 players, and I think a few may have been ejected and suspended after some scrums that happened after/during the previous game. Not entirely sure though.


I wouldnt be surprised if USF had some players suspended. THey are a good team, but they have to short a fuse to keep their cool

The only reason I ask is that USF has had an illegal player playing for them this season and should have to forfeit those 10 games. And considering how close your regionals is going to be, if I was Florida State, Florida B, Miami or any other teams that the illegal player played against, I would be making a bigger deal about it.

[NYR1199]

They are taking 12 teams to D2 regionals

[NYR1199]

The only reason I ask is that USF has had an illegal player playing for them this season and should have to forfeit those 10 games. And considering how close your regionals is going to be, if I was Florida State, Florida B, Miami or any other teams that the illegal player played against, I would be making a bigger deal about it.

They had an illegal player this past weekend in Ft. Myers??

[William Bourque]

According to this: http://www.ncrha.org/print_scoresheet.php?game_id=79885

[NYR1199]

who/where does it say anything about an illegal player on there?

[William Bourque]

who/where does it say anything about an illegal player on there?

Well, by NCRHA rules, http://www.ncrha.org/profile.php?player_id=77258, has played too many years in the league (5). Last season should have been his last, as the 2002-2003 season was CRHL and that isn't counted into the 5.

[BEEZERAL]

I just went through the rule book and did not find anywhere where it says that a player has 4 years of eligibility. This is not the NCAA.

[wednthavddr]

Being that we are so popular in this thread I will explain everything and hopefully put things to rest. This weekend almost did not happen for us which is why the schedule was changed acouple times. Our roster was pretty banged up and had scheduling difficulties:
Nick Regan, Steven Regan, Anthony Don- No problems
Steve Ruhmel- played only one game saturday cause of a conference in Atlanta, then threw up for 8 hours Saturday night thru Sunday morning
Charlie Robinson- Was coughing up blood all weekend
Carson Hardy- did not come due to injury
Wiles- had test Monday so played the first three game then left early
Caudy- suspended after FSU game.

So with no Wiles and Caudy and with a sick Robinson and Ruhmel we thought it would be a waste to play against UT with 4 guys. There was no point to play 2 kids that could barely speech without coughing a whole game. We called it a weekend and headed home early. We did our best but we were messed up. No excuses though for the lose or tie.
I asked the coordinators of the league in the beginning of the year if any of our players were out of eligibility because of the new rules and they said NO. I left it at that.

[William Bourque]

I just went through the rule book and did not find anywhere where it says that a player has 4 years of eligibility. This is not the NCAA.

No this is the NCRHA. That information can be found in the League Operations Manual.

http://www.ncrha.org/pps-medias/10114.pdf

Section V: Player Eligibility and Standards
Sub-Section C: General Player Eligibility
Bullet iv: Student athletes shall have five (5) years of eligibility.