Fire Ants Roster...

[KevinM415]

Whats up with the Ants roster? Out of 19 players total on there roster 10 are listed on both line ups... What is the AIHL rule for this? If this is a "typo" my apologies in advance!

Major Lineup
Zuba
DaSilva(also on minor)
Miller Jim
Miller Mark (also on minor)
Silvia (also on minor)
Tomczyk (also on minor)
Myers
Hong (also on minor)
Simmons (also on minor)
Snyder
Miller Bill (also on minor)
Lair (also on minor)
Giovanelli
Withington (also on minor)
Newell
Kalish
McKay
Pettola (also on minor)
Marshall

[Ericnewell18]

I know that they are still moving a lot of people around from what i understand, but i cant answer one way another. Zuba posts here alot im sure he can answer your questions tho.

Newell
FireAnts #77

[minutemen]

I know the rule in PIHA used to be that 8 players had to only play Pro. The rest of the players can play both. But when playoffs come they have to choose. So I believe the rules are the same for AIHL, but do not know for sure. But I know the roster is not final. Like Newell said we are still trying to see where people are playing.

[kicksave60]

why would it be any different than PIHA. Aihl has every other by-law from the PIHA rule book. Surprised if every thing isn't just <copy><paste>. Some new league. And it's funny how it always ends up being "it's just a like the PIHA"

[minutemen]

So here we go with the PIHA and AIHL debate again. Really get over it the AIHL is here and teams are playing in it. Best of luck to PIHA and the teams and I hope they have a successful season. I never said that they took the PIHA rule on this. I just meant it will probably be similar. Lets just stop the debate and just play hockey. It will not do the sport any good if the comments start being posted on IHC. It is not fair to both the PIHA and the AIHL and to Richard of IHC, that players make bad comments either way on IHC. I am sure that heads of PIHA and AIHL are ready for the 2008-2009 seasons and do not want the bad press to begin.

[kicksave60]

How am I debating anything? I commented on your post so how is that bashing, debating, or in anyway comparing the two? Just curious. I merely stated the obvious. That when referencing any type of rule it's always a "well back in the PIHA......so it's going to be same here in the AIHL. See when you come back with " So here we go with the PIHA and AIHL debate again. " that's were the trouble always get stirred up. How I am debating anything!!!

[minutemen]

I just felt like it was a bad comment about the AIHL, by stating some new league. If that is not what you intended then I apologize. But this is how the debates get started. The thread was about the Fire Ant roster not about if the AIHL cut and pasted the rules.

[wildpuck]

The rule, as voted on by the league, is as follows according to my email from the league.

8 major players must and 2 goalies must be declared on the roster before game one. After 10 games, the major roster is declared. Any ahtlete that competes in 20 games at the major level CANNOT play for the minors.

Player movement is restricted to 3 players and 1 goalie.

[minutemen]

Steve, thanks for rule. Best of luck to your team this season.

[Mlrhnorthfan]

The PIHA rules are as follows(at least prior to this season):
6 players and 1 goalie franchised and can only play pro
every game DAY 2 players can play both.
players can only play in one level of playoffs

i apologize if the rule has changed for this year.

The AIHL rules as I have been told are:
8 players and two goalies can only play Elite.
each game DAY 3 players and 1 goalie can play both.
once a player has played 20 games at the Elite level they can no longer play minors

I feel like this is the better set of rules bc it makes every team keep two lines of ELITES only but also gives more flexibility in case of short benches, etc. and lets teams evolve as the season progresses.

Coach Joe decides on the final rosters but in the interest of time our webguy placed most players on both for now so that the league could move forward with the site.

FireAnt Jim Miller is the AIHL New England commissioner, hed let our coach know if things arent ok.

[Mlrhnorthfan]

There seems to be alot of sour grapes out there over the FireAnts roster. I was going to see if Coach could post it but there is no need.

More effort should be put into making your teams and your games better than complaining how one team seems to be getting it right.

Everyone laughed at us the first season.

We will continue to get better. More players and better players will continue to play for the Ants every season because Coach and our team does it right and by the rules on a great rink facility. Something must be going right in Hartford as the player fees go up every year yet we get more interest?

Is it just not fun anymore when you teams out there cannot come in and walk all over us?

My final comment on this is if you are upset that the FireAnts are getting better, go get better yourself instead of crying about it and trying to smear the good name of the FireAnts.

Good luck this season to all, the puck drops Saturday.

[swampdonkey89]

Matt, I most certainly agree with you.

You guys seem to be doing everything right...bringing your best pro players to make the minor team that much better is exactly how this league, or anything other league we have played in is supposed to be run.

No, what you are doing is taking a rule that is there, in my opinion, mainly for special circumstances when a full squad can't show up, and taking advantage of it to a degree where it just doesn't look good. Much like the Grizzles of two years ago, who won the minor division with their pro team, you feel the need to go out and prove to the world that your pro players can beat minors. Congrats man...too bad your team isn't even the best in your own building.

See you soon I'm sure!

[swampdonkey89]

Sorry...don't have a signature

Adam Evans
Holbrook SwampDonkeys
#89

[Ericnewell18]

sorry for my ignorance, who is holbrook the minor team for? i was trying to look them up?? cant find them. thanks in advance.

[swampdonkey89]

boston swamprats

[Maskman00]

Does anyone know what the deal is with an IR? I know players need 20 games to make the playoffs, but what if a player knows that he will be missing 14-16 games due to injury?

[Maskman00]

Sorry, signature now attached...

[Mlrhnorthfan]

Again, all i hear are sour grapes.

our 8 declared elite players all have 2 to 6 years of PIHA pro, mlrh, and/or tours pro experience.

Our coach is going to sit those guys or play them in minors for two very talented players that just became 18 a month ago? I do not think so. No 18 year old player should be an elite/pro only player. Minors are for developing young players and for guys who arent elites. Thats what we have done and will continue to do, develop our young players.

When a certain team came to our rink last year they dressed two pros that werent franchised to play against our minors. the games split. those two players didnt play minor again all season. I dont remember seeing a post on here crying about it.

That other CT team dresses their lower level pros all the time in minor and I am sure other teams do as well.

Plain and simple our team is getting better.

Why isnt yours?

This isnt a house league where A level guys get separated from the B level guys.

The Red Sox do not sit a hot new prospect behind Pedrioa in the pros because he will be too good and hurt the feelings of all the other guys in triple A. The send him to the minors where he can develop.

I guess id rather be the second best team at our rink than the fourth best team at your rink....

[KevinM415]

Matt I 100% agree with Adam - Its bending the rules, every time we played a select few teams last year 2 or more pro players were dropped.. If your "system" is that good then why can you have two separate teams play pro and minor instead of using most of your pro players as minor players??? I suggest you carry more players on both teams, give some other people a shot that want to play.. I know of a few kids on your team that ride the bench game in and game out because Pro Level players are taking up the ice time…

I suggest that every team use the rule the way it was intended and not to STACK their minor teams... If your minor players are good enough to play pro then have them play pro... If they can’t play at that level then they should be on a minor roster. The 3 player per day rule is to promote players that excel in minor league competition and on the other side to boost a pro player’s confidence when they do not play to there potential at the highest level. It could be used as a starting ground for an injured player trying attempting to make a come back... It also should be used in travel if you have a "skeleton crew" not EVERY HOME GAME and ALL tournaments you play.. That’s just ridiculous, and a obvious bend of the rules put in place

Kevin Mason

[Mlrhnorthfan]

take it any way you want.

in addition, every thing so far has been pre season and we have pretty much dressed the entire 3rd grade for every game, thats going to change i am sure for the regular season.

what you say about using most of our pro plays as minors is completely false. check your facts.

good luck

[KevinM415]

You just don’t get it....

I agree develop the youth, but when they are ready for the big show LET THEM PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS!! Then its time to REPLENISH your farm team... Just cause your pro teams doesn’t stand a chance in the EAST doesn’t mean that you should stock pile the all the talent in your organization in the minors to win a MINOR LEAGUE NORTH EAST TITTLE.. Develop your youth by making them play against more talented players, not by scoring 30 goals off players that are obviously not as good as they are... 10 goals in the Pro division by those two would be much more beneficial then 30 (that no doubt they will score in the minors)

Good luck to you! Hopefully all teams play within the way the rules were DESIGNED not the way they are interpreted


Over and out...

[phil29]

tell us how you really feel...

someone cares a little too much bout a teams roster :rolleyes:

[-venom-]

tell us how you really feel...

someone cares a little too much bout a teams roster :rolleyes:


I don't think it's so much pertaining to the FireAnts themselves.... moreso the intention of some of the ideas and rules put forth in the league.

And while I think it's a little early yet to accuse anyone of bending the rules (because nothing has been *done* yet), I do agree that he does have some good points...

Now, that doesn't mean that the FireAnts are going to intentionally stack their Minor team every game, so we should hold off on judgment until the situation comes up.

:cool:

[joisyan]

Maskman00 Re: Fire Ants Roster...

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Does anyone know what the deal is with an IR? I know players need 20 games to make the playoffs, but what if a player knows that he will be missing 14-16 games due to injury?

i'd kinda like to bring this question back up. because i broke my my left leg (both shin bones) back in september, and i am aiming to be able to play again around jan/feb. so is there a minimum amount of games i'd have to participate in? or am i going to have to take a roster spot and "attend" at least 20 games? how does IR work?

[KevinM415]

Tim - That hurts how the hell did you do that?

[Lindro17]

Where is this roster problem with our team coming from???? EXHIBITION GAMES?????? We played 2 NON-SANCTIONED tournaments, and one NON-SANCTIONED game this pre-season. Prior to that, we have NEVER BENT THE RULES. We have never gone above our 2 player maximum in the prior years, and do not intend on going above our limit in the current year.

We also our pro-only players in accordance with the league, which was also approved by the league, the past 2 years. This year is no different, except now we have to set aside 8 PLAYERS AND ONE GOALIE THAT PLAY PRO-ONLY rather than in the past 6 plus a goalie. This also is going through all the commissioners of the league for approval. Unfortunately, Kevin, you are not one of them.

So again, if you are from a team that played in a NON-SANCTIONED tournament that played our organization, and LOST, sorry, try getting a better squad next time. In the meantime, don't bash our organization for bending the rules when we have done nothing but complied with them. We have grown over the past 2 years with better talent, that it is trickling down to our minor system, and our minor team is naturally getting better. We picked up some new players over the past few weeks that we wanted to see them in different arenas, both major and minor settings.

I will say this again. We did this in pre-season, non-sanctioned, events. We communicated this to the appropriate people, some of which did the same thing, as they were looking at their players and moving them around, that is what exhibition is for.

[joisyan]

fell off of a 4 wheeler. my friend (and goalie) JP was driving, and i was sitting on the front, tried to avoid a tree and i fell forward, my foot was caught in the rack. so i landed on the ground with my foot caught up. snapped both bones

[KevinM415]

Jim,

My apologies, I did not intent on causing a "type -off" just made my observation of A TEAM having 19 players on a pro roster with 10 of them also listed on their minor roster...

I simply asked the question...


Whats up with the Ants roster? Out of 19 players total on there roster 10 are listed on both line ups... What is the AIHL rule for this? If this is a "typo" my apologies in advance!

Major Lineup
Zuba
DaSilva(also on minor)
Miller Jim
Miller Mark (also on minor)
Silvia (also on minor)
Tomczyk (also on minor)
Myers
Hong (also on minor)
Simmons (also on minor)
Snyder
Miller Bill (also on minor)
Lair (also on minor)
Giovanelli
Withington (also on minor)
Newell
Kalish
McKay
Pettola (also on minor)
Marshall



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Now if this was a typo then I am sorry, but when it comes down to it all I asked for was an explanation.. I wasn’t looking for Zuba to come to bat to save the Fire Ants, or call out previous events... I did that in response to his aggressive reply..

Just trying to do my homework on the other teams in my division... why wouldn’t I? Holbrook / Fire Ants / Bees are the only teams with a roster declared and one of them looked a little strange to me, so why wouldn’t I say something? I would expect anyone to do the same!

Thanks, no harm intended just asking a question. Maybe you can answer it now?

Kevin

[Lindro17]

Again, where are these rosters coming from? If you are referencing this past Hollbrook tournament, how does this relate to AIHL rules? Also, if you are referring to our exhibition tournament, which had PIHA, AIHL teams in it, again, what rules are you referring to?

If you are discussing about our online rosters, we do have everyone on our roster right now, as we are finalizing our pro and minor rosters for our first OFFICIAL AIHL game this weekend. If you want, I can fax you over a copy of the scoresheet for your review, to make sure we are following league rules. We may have our 8 "MAJOR" only players identified, plus a goalie. These players CANNOT PLAY MINORS. Like I said, these players will be reviewed by the league to ensure we are not playing players in the minor system that should be major only. The remaining players are on the minor roster, of which no more than 3 skaters plus a goalie can move up to play pro in a given weekend. Because of this rule, we put other players on our major roster in the instance we need them for any given weekend to fill in.

Once a minor player plays his/her 20th major game, they are officially on the major roster and cannot play minors anymore. Long story short, we cannot have a player be eligible for both minor and major playoffs.

And you were not "inquiring" about us, you were making assumptions. This is nothing new, you go online in the past and view team rosters. I can tell you we had players on our pro roster that never saw a pro game, but were on there in the instance we were down players for a given game and needed him to play as part of our max "up-down" rule.

Now you should really come out and discuss why you are upset with our rosters- You are pissed off that you lost the hollbrook tournament to our team, and are pissed that we had Tyler and Nicky on our minor roster. Why not just get why you are really pissed off, and ask us directly. I will tell you why this happened. We made it very clear that we were going to have guys go up and down, and had 8 guys on our gold team that did not move down to play minors. Tyler and Nicky were not them, as they missed 1/2 of the day Saturday due to class.

Again, you wanted to know things, ask, don't go and start rumors and assumptions about the way we carry our team during AIHL games.

[Lindro17]

Also, I will say that some of my aggressiveness is based on people from your area discussing our rosters freely and talking trash about our organization. I hear this from our own players who are from the area. Maybe it is not you personally, but when I caught wind of your post, it immediately made me think of this issue.

You have some sour people up there right now about a tournament which we won. People have a gripe about that, have them contact me directly, but don't bring this into the AIHL.

[swampdonkey89]

Jim,

I'd like to jump in here and see if we can keep this just a bit civil for the moment. If you go back and look at the very first post of this thread, it says that if this is a "typo" or not completed, than Kevin apoligized. Going on from there, he listed the roster located on AIHL with 19 names, 10 of which were also on the minor roster. In the past, not neccesarily the Fireants, teams in PIHA (not any tournaments) have been known to "load" their minor roster in order to win those games, and not "grow" their younger talent.

Both of the players you mentioned are phenominal, and they are going to be monsters in this league in the coming years. No one is taking anything away from them. I agree that they should still continue to grow, playing in as many games as possible. However, when a team "loads" on their minor roster for the sake of bringing down high-caliber players just to beat the minor teams, it's a mockery. All Kevin was shooting for in the original post, was an explanation one way or the other. A simple "we are still tweaking the roster" would have sufficed!


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[Mlrhnorthfan]

cool

see now we can all have fun this season!

good luck!

I know from seeing the teams up here that its going to be a good season.

[Ericnewell18]

Oh thank god......I wasnt going to have fun this season till zuba said i could!! lol. This is going to be fun!!!! ZUBA!!!! Stop going to class all the damn time and give me a call. lol

Newell

Fireants #77

[KevinM415]

Jim let me explain buddy…

Again, where are these rosters coming from? If you are referencing this past Holbrook tournament, how does this relate to AIHL rules? Also, if you are referring to our exhibition tournament, which had PIHA, AIHL teams in it, again, what rules are you referring to?

The roster I was looking at was taken off AHILHOCKEY.COM, based on Monday afternoon’s records your team was out of compliance in many aspects…This is a little worrisome for me seeing as you represent our division in this league… If you had told me in your original message that your roster wasn’t complete then

Rule – 2.01C
(c) Team rosters will consist of a minimum of four (4) rink players and one (1) goaltender and a maximum of Eighteen (18) rink players and two (2)goaltenders.
As it stands right now I know we haven’t played a game yet however you have 4 goalies listed on your pro team
You had 10 players on your minor team that were also listed on your pro team that is a concern to me…

And you were not "inquiring" about us, you were making assumptions. This is nothing new, you go online in the past and view team rosters. I can tell you we had players on our pro roster that never saw a pro game, but were on there in the instance we were down players for a given game and needed him to play as part of our max "up-down" rule.
Jimmy - my response to this is you could not be more wrong.. I asked a simply question and instead of getting a simple answer I got a bunch of defensive replies... I had asked legitimate question regarding your roster. Why do the Ants have 10 players listed on their major team that are also listed on their minor team?

Now you should really come out and discuss why you are upset with our rosters- You are pissed off that you lost the hollbrook tournament to our team, and are pissed that we had Tyler and Nicky on our minor roster. Why not just get why you are really pissed off, and ask us directly. I will tell you why this happened. We made it very clear that we were going to have guys go up and down, and had 8 guys on our gold team that did not move down to play minors. Tyler and Nicky were not them, as they missed 1/2 of the day Saturday due to class.
My response to this Jim is you guys knowingly broke a couple of the rules of the tournament they were…

“A player can only play in one division”,
“You must play 2 games to play in the playoffs”

The only reason why your team was allowed to play in the finals was because Dunphy (our team owner) was nice enough to wave the rule! A game you had no business being in might I add.. When you did play you “silver” talent against other teams in the silver division you got spanked…In addition to that two teams backed out of playing so you were the only team left to play. But honestly NO I am not upset about playing you guys in the finals. I am glad Ty and Nick played they are fun to play against and amazing to watch… As anyone that has seen them play knows..
However - At the tournament you cried that you did not have enough people to fill a roster to play in the finals when in fact you had 6 “silver” players and two goalies. You threatened to forfeit the tournament if your two snipers could not play (not including the other pro’s you pulled out of the gold division to play). Lets not forget that the game in question here was not part or round play it was the Silver level finals and the players that were pulled down had just competed in the Gold level Semi’s. When the game started correct me if I’m wrong but it looked like you had THREE LINES and TWO GOALIES…
I could care less if I won the tournament or came in dead last I was there to support my home rink and to have fun with a group of friends. The difference between our team and yours was we played by the rules of the tournament… To get the record straight I never brought that tournament up because honestly it was not your fault that you were allowed to break the tournament laws… Not to mention it was a charity tournament and I had a boat load of fun playing!! So again I have no hard feeling regarding the tournament.


Again, you wanted to know things, ask, don't go and start rumors and assumptions about the way we carry our team during AIHL games.

Jimbo – No rumors were started and no assumptions were made I took my info directly from what your team displayed as AIHL roster on AIHLHOCKEY.COM. I simply asked a question that as a member of a team in the N. East I deserve to have answered... Maybe I should have called you and not made it public on this site, my mistake and as I stated in my first post if it is under construction my apologies in advance…


Hopefully this clear it up for you but I look forward to playing your team in our barn and yours it should be a truly eventful season with the amount of talent on all rosters displayed in the North – Good luck to all!!!

Jim if you have any futher question private message me ill give you my phone number and we can talk it out...

Kevin Mason

[coach]

Hey Kevin,

To clarify all this bickering. Hear it from me. About 5-6 guys listed are lucky if they get any Pro time at all. If they do it will be very limited. There is also 2 guys listed which will be only on the Pro roster,so now that clarifies 8 guys which leaves us to Tyler and Nicky they will skate both this season since this is the first year they are eligible for Pro. Its a differant game so rushing to play Pro only is my decision so they can mature as players. As when I took the head coaching position here in Hartford all I heard is how much the Ants sucked, I personally have worked hard to develop this team,I have a lot of coaching experience and I would like to say we are improving due to hardwork and not to bending the rules. I hope this clarifies our roster to all. Best of luck to all it should be a great season.


Joe Furnari
Head Coach
Hartford Fire Ants

[KevinM415]

Joe,

Thanks for the answer, you have done a great job with your team and I can speak from experience in the all star game last year that you are also a great coach!!

Thanks, and good luck on the 8th!

Kevin

[coach]

Kevin,

Thank you for the kinds words good luck to you and your team.


Joe Furnari
Head Coach
Hartford Fire Ants

[Doug Jones]

Joe:

Best of luck to you.

Doug

[coach]

To you as well Doug





Joe Furnari
Head Coach
Hartford Fire Ants