D1 vs D2 notes/nationals question

[NYR1199]

D2: 73 teams total

SECRHL: 16
ECRHA: 16
GPCIHL: 12
WCRHL: 12
MCRHL: 7
RMCRHA: 6
SCHL: 4

D1: 49 teams total
ECHRA: 10
SECRHL: 8
GPCHIL: 4
WCRHL: 10
MCRHL: 7
RMCHRA: 1
SCHL:9

D1 bids to nationals: 24, D2 bids: 16? Is this accurate? Did the league expect the growth of D2 to exceed D1's? Will they expand the d2 bids to nationals because of the increase of teams.

[JLambertUMSL]

NO WAY should they expand the DII Nationals field. Teams signing up for DII are signing up to compete for 16 bids.

[BLowe7]

quit being a wiener, whats it matter to you if they expand DII nationals lol...its been 20 the past few years, why the change?

[catch]

I believe it is 20 Division I and 20 Division II. Unless, you are into cybernetics vis-a-vis Norbert Wiener, I believe you meant to call him a whiner.

[MBurke]

It's 24 DI and 16 DII, was decided that way at our NCRHA board meeting over the summer, and was announced in the press release on the new divisional structure about a week after the meeting.

[catch]

mathematically that does not seem to make a lot of sense given the number of teams in each division, however, quite frankly, if my team was sitting 17-20I would just assume not go. It seems to me that Division II could field a full 64 team tournament with home and road games and Division I could be limited to 4.

[Leaferguy]

I don't think they want to offer incentives to stay in DII...

Also, I want some taquitos.

[JLambertUMSL]

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[train]

D2: 73 teams total

SECRHL: 16
ECRHA: 16
GPCIHL: 12
WCRHL: 12
MCRHL: 7
RMCRHA: 6
SCHL: 4

16 bids - 7 auto bids = 9 at-large bids for 66 teams.

[hockeymonkey44]

I don't think the math is right either. there should be more D2 spots. Although university of colorado asked to be placed in D1 we are still in D2.

[alex]

It's listed as one of the "benefits" of playing DI under the new structure...more bids to nationals.

[rocksforhands]

The best thing about having only 16 bids for D2 is it will pretty much weed out those teams that shouldn't be there...it is going to be tough for the committee to only select 16 teams...but if you go out and do what your suppose to and win you will get your bid...

[catch]

Dare I say something about the futility of playing in Division I in the Great Plains because of Lindenwood for fear of it being castigated as anti-Lindenwood sentiment. I have several thoughts:
1) It is unmotivating to me to play Division I as we would at best travel extensively for Nationals at quite a cost with no hope of winning.
2) Division I is better than Division II and I have no problem with there being less teams from Division II, however, when you look at the total number of teams in each it defies logic. I think in the long run this may alienate some Division II teams into not wanting to play, but I digress.
3) Based off the number herein 49% of Division I teams qualify for nationals versus 22% of Division II.
4) The wiener family has been insulted. I wonder of representative Wiener voted down the 700 billion dollar credit bill.

[madfred]

Catch is all you do is complain about Division I. Do you sit up at night and think of ways to indirectly attack and destroy Lindenwood. This is a serious discussion about the impending doom bestowed on Division II in terms of nationals and you turn it into another trash second. I hope your team finishes 17th and you can dream about having gone.

[stopthetrain]

madfred are you off the antipsychotics today?

[Mtour71]

catch is a tool, just shut up and win hockey games

[Ben Lambert]

cant we all just get along?

[stopthetrain]

MTour71 you may want to stay out of spelling Bee's.
If I didn't know handful was one word and spelled it hand full; or that elsewhere is one word, or that tuition was not tuitioon; or affended began with an O not an A, I would probably keep my mouth shut about calling people tools. I have read your verbage. You don't seem to understand simple points nor have the capacity to spell simple words. Rather ironic you defend the quality of your education, but maybe not as you don't even see the errors.

[madfred]

Mtour71 while I deplore Catch and his tool mouth, I have to say Stopthetrain has a point and wonder why you embarass our school with your wisdom. Please do not continue to make the point being made by others clear. .

[catch]

Let MTour71 speak his mind. The deep philosophical thoughts of MTour71.

[Mtour71]

Couple of things that have been on my mind...

A) If I was trying to recruit for a school like MO State or Mizzou, or any major state school, get the kid to come visit and if they don't like a night on the town in Springvegas or Columbia, chances are they aren't going to like college and probably don't like hockey too much. Quit crying about scholarships when you have two of the best drinking towns in the midwest at your disposal. Use them... Your influx of talent will grow when you recruit the best players to be your drinking partners and teammates.

B) When you want to grade me on my spelling or grammar, become a teacher at University of Phoenix and I'll enroll so at least I can get some college credit for my efforts on A MESSAGE BOARD. If you're not going to correct my English while I'm talking to you in person, why would you on a message board? If you were to do so in person, I would call you a tool or something of that sort.

C) If people would stop worrying about how many bids a division is getting, and would just worry about winning hockey games, this thread would've never been started.

Please correct my spelling, TOOL.

[catch]

MTour71
A) Springfield is in the bible belt. The police literally harass college students as if it were the 70's out of jealousy or something. Either way it is not the kind of place you would take minors out drinking.
B) your dispute over the spelling is not with me. You did refer to me as a "tool", but I don't really care, it provides entertainment. I already have a doctorate degree so University of Phoenix may not cut it.
C) I don't have any problem with the number of teams making nationals, but it is rather pleasureable stirring up the conversation

[JLambertUMSL]

Couple of things that have been on my mind...

A) If I was trying to recruit for a school like MO State or Mizzou, or any major state school, get the kid to come visit and if they don't like a night on the town in Springvegas or Columbia, chances are they aren't going to like college and probably don't like hockey too much. Quit crying about scholarships when you have two of the best drinking towns in the midwest at your disposal. Use them... Your influx of talent will grow when you recruit the best players to be your drinking partners and teammates.



Actually an "influx" is defined as an incoming flow. You might be more accurate in calling it a "stockpile" or "arsenal" if you're going to say it grows. :)

Anyway...

I strongly object to the notion that it's perfectly A-OK to sell your program to 17- and 18-year-olds based on the drinking scene on and around campus.

(And it's hard enough to keep these idiots from showing up to games hung over. Alcohol does not help you perform...)

Along those lines, I strongly suspect that one could build a case study around last March 1-2, focusing on pregame habits/choices ("pregame" including the condition you're in as a result of choices made during the previous 12 to 24 hours).

Team X was dominant on Saturday, lifeless and mediocre on Sunday.

Team Y was absolutely dreadful on Saturday, outstanding on Sunday.

I think Team Y heeded the wakeup call and took care of itself on Saturday night (unlike Friday night) and was able to perform at full capacity on Sunday.

I have just a couple small pieces of anecdotal evidence to back this theory, but I suspect that there's more to it than just a 1-3 trap.




C) If people would stop worrying about how many bids a division is getting, and would just worry about winning hockey games, this thread would've never been started.



That's what a message board is for though!

[catch]

Let me be clear beyond what I said about Missouri State not being an appropriate place to take minors out drinking. It is not appropriate to recruit and use alcohol as a premise for recruiting. While I am a firm believer in if your old enough to die in combat your old enough to drink, alcohol is not part and parcel of sports nor college life. I mean this with all due respect and it is not intended to trash MTour71 nor Lindenwood, no one playing roller hockey is likely to play in the NHL nor come out with a job from playing. You need to select a school premised upon the opportunities there and the degrees and reputation of the school. If someone wants an engineering degree in Missouri they need to go to UMST and frankly if someone wanted to play hockey at MSU who was seeking an engineering degree I would tell them its a big mistake. Roller hockey is just a side benefit to the education, but no one should let it determine where they enroll in school.

[Drexel63]

Just a little personal story...

I had the choice between PSU and Drexel my Senior year of HS, and went to visit both. Drexel I knew would give me the education I wanted, and when I visited PSU, it was apparant I could get that there too... However, when I went to PSU without my parents, it became absolutely obvious to me that the social scene would get in the way of my educational success...

I passed up on playing at PSU (main campus, that is) with it's most successful team to date, because of that social scene... Instead I went to Drexel and worked my way through school...

Not everyone in the world has terrible decision making skills...

Disclaimer: That was the best decision for me based on my personality, needs, and family history... I harbor no negative feelings towards anyone who went to PSU. My younger brother went there, in fact, and it was the best place for him... Please don't take this story the wrong way...

[Drexel63]

Second remark, back to the point of this thread...

I agree that considering the percentages, 16 is a low number for D2 bids, however I also agree with it being a reason for teams to step up to the requirements of D1 membership.... I personally wish that this was closer in number (say 24 vs. 20), as I forsee our region being seriously affected by this change, however, we were all well aware of the new bid arrangement before submitting our commitment forms, so deal with it and go win games...

[socalhockey]

I agree that the number one factor for anyone going to college should be getting an education. I'm sure everyone is well aware of how tough the economy is and how it is more important now then any other time in recent memory to get an education. With that being said there is however always going to be players that will choose a particular school based on the chance to continue to play roller hockey while getting that education. And In my opinion the schools that play in the highest division, (that being D1) will almost always get the best and highest level players available because every region has top level schools that also have a D1 program. I will guarantee that any school that is currently very competitive in D2 that moves up to D1 would increase their talent pool quite a lot. Proof of this can be seen in schools like UMSL and Long Beach State to name a few. Speaking on behalf of Long Beach State, we would have never gotten near the talent that has come our way if it were not for the fact that we moved up from D2 a year ago. Many of the top players that I'm aware of in Southern Cal. area that have the grades to get into the best universities were only interested in applying at the schools with DI teams. There are also players that have transferred from current D2 schools that moved down from D1 back to a D1 school so that they can continue to compete at the highest level while still achieving a great education in the process. And all of this with out grants. Imagine that!

[MS&TMiners]

Technically we're Missouri University of Science and Technology (MS&T) not UMST or MUST. Not that I particularly care, I still call it UMR. One thing I'm proud of from our school is that no one is here to play hockey. We practice once a week (maybe) for an hour. Everyone is here to get a degree in something that they have a passion for. If they were here to play hockey they'd flunk out their first semester. Most guys I recruit don't even know we have a team till they get here and they see me or another guy on campus with a jersey on. We haven't been to Nationals in 3 years, but I'm not going to start having mandatory practices 2-3 nights a week to help us get there, if that means my guys are going to start failing classes.

Joe Altnether #12
MS&T Inline Hockey Club

[catch]

I couldn't possibly agree with the last 3 posts more. I still at times call MSU Southwest Missouri State so its going to take quite awhile to stop calling it UMR.

[train]

Second remark, back to the point of this thread...

I agree that considering the percentages, 16 is a low number for D2 bids, however I also agree with it being a reason for teams to step up to the requirements of D1 membership.... I personally wish that this was closer in number (say 24 vs. 20), as I forsee our region being seriously affected by this change, however, we were all well aware of the new bid arrangement before submitting our commitment forms, so deal with it and go win games...
i'm fine with there being more d1 bids, but i don't think it is fair to punish d2 schools because they don't have the capabilities to move up.

all i want is fairness.