Piha International

[scotty b]

So how did the piha international turn out? Anyone have any details about the games?

[umsl_player_38]

I played in the piha international thing and it was the best roller hockey I played in. I would compare it to the level of narch but the best thing about it was that we acctually got treated like we where pros. Before every game our equpment was layed out, kids came and watched and got autographs, interviews, just the whole nine yards, it was just an amazing exprence and everyone that played in it all said the same thing. I hope that this is going to be the next step and hope people get into it.

[Berry_Bramble]

I know people are mad about the whole money side of things with the PIHA league. But in all honesty you know as much I do that it is a business. Now I was not there, and I won't clame to be. But people know me and I have talked to a bunch of people who had been there.

This year PIHA had record numbers and I definitely think some things should be cleaned up for next season.

As for PIHA International...All I heard was great things about it! Sure I know people were upset that they didn't have representatives but that is probably one of the reasons why they didn't have an all star game. You cannot choose everyone::cough...cough:: With a ridiculous amount of teams this year not every team would have had a representative. So you are going to hear the complaints either way! The league treated these players the way a PRO should be treated from what I hear. Not going to get into details but I know for a fact everyone there was very impressed. Now let me ask everyone this question? If these players from PIHA international decide to play PIHA what is everyone else going to do? Obviously these are the cream of the crop players in the country. Why would you want to go down in competition? Wouldn't you want to play the best? PIHA is on the right track and hopefully next year will be their turn around yr..

I'm hearing big things about PIHA International! So I know everyone has their panties in a bundle about where the money is going...At least it is going back into our sport. They are trying to take it to the next level. You need players like this to represent the sport of Inline hockey. I know people are upset but everyone cannot be involved..

[MrCanada]

Well I guess for those of you who wondered where the money was going, you have your answer!

[rolla420]

I know people are mad about the whole money side of things with the PIHA league. But in all honesty you know as much I do that it is a business. Now I was not there, and I won't clame to be. But people know me and I have talked to a bunch of people who had been there.

This year PIHA had record numbers and I definitely think some things should be cleaned up for next season.

As for PIHA International...All I heard was great things about it! Sure I know people were upset that they didn't have representatives but that is probably one of the reasons why they didn't have an all star game. You cannot choose everyone::cough...cough:: With a ridiculous amount of teams this year not every team would have had a representative. So you are going to hear the complaints either way! The league treated these players the way a PRO should be treated from what I hear. Not going to get into details but I know for a fact everyone there was very impressed. Now let me ask everyone this question? If these players from PIHA international decide to play PIHA what is everyone else going to do? Obviously these are the cream of the crop players in the country. Why would you want to go down in competition? Wouldn't you want to play the best? PIHA is on the right track and hopefully next year will be their turn around yr..

I'm hearing big things about PIHA International! So I know everyone has their panties in a bundle about where the money is going...At least it is going back into our sport. They are trying to take it to the next level. You need players like this to represent the sport of Inline hockey. I know people are upset but everyone cannot be involved..

Just a thought here, but I'm pretty sure that it takes more than 2 teams of all-star players to make a league. I agree that the players in that game were some of the top ones in the sport, but that really has nothing to do with whether or not, "PIHA is on the right track" or not.

And, I was just wondering why it was/is called PIHA International when there were no international players. From what it sounds like, it was just an All-Star game where players (some not even from PIHA) were paid with everybody else's money. Maybe I'm wrong on this, and if I am then please correct me, but that's what I've heard/read.

[TourBandits]

Vio, I think the problems go a little deeper than PIHA International.

[Berry_Bramble]

It is not a perfect league. Look at all the changes the NHL made in the past 4 or 5 years. I just think PIHA is on the right track. For more pro leagues to pop up and say they have all the answers is well, rubish. Do they have to say that? Absolutly, they are competing for some of PIHA's teams. But the minute things don't go peoples way or they don't win, people want to jump ship. Look at the PIHA International as a showcase, nothing wrong with that.

So someone is going to start a non profit league, great. Though most of the time you get what you pay for. I know zero of the details, guess because I am not in the AAU loop. Will have to wait and see who is involved and what not.....

[minutemen]

Happy it turned out good, and people enjoyed it. Happy the fans enjoyed it as well. I understand that every team could not have a representative, but players that do not play in the league should not have played. Now I was not part of PIHA this year, but have been an owner and player 4 years prior. I am back next season where ever we play. But if I was involved this year I would have been upset. Someone made a statement it is business, well I guess you did not pay for your team. There are many owners that put up most or all the money for there teams and trust me they are upset. There are players that paid to play for there team and they are upset.

The problem is, when owners of teams become part of the league, they have guidelines to follow in the contract. The same should be for the league and not make promises it can't keep. The 2 Tour and the 2 Mission Representatives should not have played. There are players that busted there butts this year and should have been there. My questions is, why was this not publicized until the very last moment by the league. All teams were told no All Star game, then last moment this. I feel the reason why no international players were there, is because people found out and were upset. So the league decided not to. I could be wrong but it makes sense to me.

I hope everything works out for next season. I loved PIHA and I think it can be something great but a lot of people are upset and there questions were ignored by the front office. Now the AIHL has been formed. They have been in contact with me and it sounds like they have a good way of running the league. But I will see what they have to say at the meeting. I am also giving PIHA a chance to explain and take about next year. I am a firm believer that the owners should have some control of the league, not just the front office.

[Doug Jones]

My experiences with PIHA left me with one quote I will never forget:

"We both have full time jobs, we do this part time and don't have the time to deal with everything"

Charlie Yoder, President and founder, PIHA
commenting on why issues in our division were NOT resolved

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

My favorite quote of the year

"We both have full time jobs, we do this part time and don't have the time to deal with everything"

Charlie Yoder, President and founder, PIHA
commenting on why issues in our division were NOT resolved

Then I guess our full time jobs meant nothing. Reading that statement made me spit out my coffee. I am sorry but I work to hard at my team besides my two full time jobs and I deal with everything for my team.

[Doug Jones]

I know people are mad about the whole money side of things with the PIHA league. But in all honesty you know as much I do that it is a business. Now I was not there, and I won't clame to be. But people know me and I have talked to a bunch of people who had been there.

This year PIHA had record numbers and I definitely think some things should be cleaned up for next season.

As for PIHA International...All I heard was great things about it! Sure I know people were upset that they didn't have representatives but that is probably one of the reasons why they didn't have an all star game. You cannot choose everyone::cough...cough:: With a ridiculous amount of teams this year not every team would have had a representative. So you are going to hear the complaints either way! The league treated these players the way a PRO should be treated from what I hear. Not going to get into details but I know for a fact everyone there was very impressed. Now let me ask everyone this question? If these players from PIHA international decide to play PIHA what is everyone else going to do? Obviously these are the cream of the crop players in the country. Why would you want to go down in competition? Wouldn't you want to play the best? PIHA is on the right track and hopefully next year will be their turn around yr..

I'm hearing big things about PIHA International! So I know everyone has their panties in a bundle about where the money is going...At least it is going back into our sport. They are trying to take it to the next level. You need players like this to represent the sport of Inline hockey. I know people are upset but everyone cannot be involved..


Vio:

Good points, but then in San Jose at the NARCh finals you can see all these guys and more in the pro division. Why recycle what is already being done better, with more promotion and fanfare and without segregating a league.

I've never been to a NARCh final where I get charged to watch a pro game and or playoff either...just wanted to throw that in.

Doug

[Berry_Bramble]

Vio:

Good points, but then in San Jose at the NARCh finals you can see all these guys and more in the pro division. Why recycle what is already being done better, with more promotion and fanfare and without segregating a league.

I've never been to a NARCh final where I get charged to watch a pro game and or playoff either...just wanted to throw that in.

Doug

No you don't get charged...but you don't get charged to come in and watch that event either..NARCh TORHS or even AAU, so why would you charge for that tournaments PRO division...they are two different things that need to stay different.

This was my first year dealing with PIHA and honestly it was 100% more then I thought it was going to be. Is it perfect...no. But and Jones I do not mean you. Some of the problems can be put on owners and the players just as easily as the people in the front office.

I do think the owners need to have more of a say, without running the league themselves. Have owners meetings and vote on things etc. I think people should look to try to implement these types of changes into PIHA before up and starting another league.

[William Bourque]

My experiences with PIHA left me with one quote I will never forget:

"We both have full time jobs, we do this part time and don't have the time to deal with everything"

Charlie Yoder, President and founder, PIHA
commenting on why issues in our division were NOT resolved

Then why not use all the money that is being collected and hire someone to do the job full-time, im sure if you looked hard enough, you could find someone out there willing to run the league full-time for a small yearly salary.

[Doug Jones]

No you don't get charged...but you don't get charged to come in and watch that event either..NARCh TORHS or even AAU, so why would you charge for that tournaments PRO division...they are two different things that need to stay different.

This was my first year dealing with PIHA and honestly it was 100% more then I thought it was going to be. Is it perfect...no. But and Jones I do not mean you. Some of the problems can be put on owners and the players just as easily as the people in the front office.

I do think the owners need to have more of a say, without running the league themselves. Have owners meetings and vote on things etc. I think people should look to try to implement these types of changes into PIHA before up and starting another league.

I agree, all I want is assurances how THINGS next year will be different. Not an invoice for $4,500 with no updates, changes and no progress showing me the efforts being made to make this work for all involved in 2008 - 2009.

My recommendation for Gary Bettman's job would be Todd Wiley. He cares, he knows and he would make an excellent liason for all of us with the league office.

What team were you a part of? and did you get your paperwork in on time? :)

[Berry_Bramble]

495ers...we had enough of our own problems...but like I said, I wen't into the league not expecting much and it was much much better then I thought. But then again, who am I that it would matter what I think.

[Doug Jones]

495ers...we had enough of our own problems...but like I said, I wen't into the league not expecting much and it was much much better then I thought. But then again, who am I that it would matter what I think.


I loved the 495'ers promo stuff, still have the water bottles Dave gave me when we were there for Winter's.

You also have to recognize alot of the success of the franchise came from the people involved in it and their support, promotion and efforts. Of course, having Jon Mosenson use his status as a pro to pick those women up helps too...(see NARCh winter's pic) LOL....

Vio, how many teams do you coach? last tourney I saw you on the bench all three days with little or no time off. It matters with all the kids your working with.

[GaryBettman]

My recommendation for Gary Bettman's job would be Todd Wiley. He cares, he knows and he would make an excellent liason for all of us with the league office.

I would enjoy keeping my job thank you very much...

I would second Todd's nomination for inline hockey though. :)

[MrCanada]

One change would help, change the name of the league to SIHA (Senior Inline Hockey Association).

Because Professional indicate a status that honeslty is not what the league is about and it shows on the floor.

[growl89]

what makes little to no sense to me is why the All star players were treated better then the Finals players? that is a huge issue in my eyes. And what did this PIHA All star game accomplish for our sport? there were no international players, zero updates from the games, and the teams monies were wasted.

How is this putting us on the right track? How is it good for the sport?

[Berry_Bramble]

I loved the 495'ers promo stuff, still have the water bottles Dave gave me when we were there for Winter's.

You also have to recognize alot of the success of the franchise came from the people involved in it and their support, promotion and efforts. Of course, having Jon Mosenson use his status as a pro to pick those women up helps too...(see NARCh winter's pic) LOL....

Vio, how many teams do you coach? last tourney I saw you on the bench all three days with little or no time off. It matters with all the kids your working with.

17 teams Sir Douglas...from Platinum to club level....

[DCbullets14]

I think it a joke to say that it is okay for the league to pay players (some not even involved in PIHA) to play an all star game. The leauge had no problem throwing out a large amount of money for this event which was unwanted by the majority of people involved with the league but has cut nearly every other possible expense, look at the hotel and area the Growl guys were forced to stay in for the Eastern finals. All so the league could save a few dollars. Maybe the league should consider not having a PIHA International and instead spending a few dollars to make sure players are not shot in the crack house of a hotel the league provided.

It is my personal opinion that the sport does plenty for the elite level player. For these highly skilled players there is Narch Pro, Torhs pro, and international teams. why does PIHA expend so much effort and money providing an additional venue for these people to play while failing the majority of players in the league. If all was well with the league then the creation of PIHA International would be great but obviously all is far from well.

Alot of people have been posting about the great things PIHA has done over the past years and the expansion which has occured. I am curious if that success has occured mainly because of a lack of competition from other leagues.

When everyone is considering where they will be playing next season I would advise you keep this in mind:

When PIHA thought its players and owners had no other league to turn to how well did they address your concerns and issues? Even if PIHA makes decent strides during the off season (causing newly proposed league to fail) what is to prevent them from having these same issues later down the road? Also are these changes occuring because the powers want to improve the league or just to keep teams from looking elsewhere?

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

I think it a joke to say that it is okay for the league to pay players (some not even involved in PIHA) to play an all star game. The leauge had no problem throwing out a large amount of money for this event which was unwanted by the majority of people involved with the league but has cut nearly every other possible expense, look at the hotel and area the Growl guys were forced to stay in for the Eastern finals. All so the league could save a few dollars. Maybe the league should consider not having a PIHA International and instead spending a few dollars to make sure players are not shot in the crack house of a hotel the league provided.

It is my personal opinion that the sport does plenty for the elite level player. For these highly skilled players there is Narch Pro, Torhs pro, and international teams. why does PIHA expend so much effort and money providing an additional venue for these people to play while failing the majority of players in the league. If all was well with the league then the creation of PIHA International would be great but obviously all is far from well.

Alot of people have been posting about the great things PIHA has done over the past years and the expansion which has occured. I am curious if that success has occured mainly because of a lack of competition from other leagues.

When everyone is considering where they will be playing next season I would advise you keep this in mind:

When PIHA thought its players and owners had no other league to turn to how well did they address your concerns and issues? Even if PIHA makes decent strides during the off season (causing newly proposed league to fail) what is to prevent them from having these same issues later down the road? Also are these changes occuring because the powers want to improve the league or just to keep teams from looking elsewhere?

All I can say is Bravo at this post!

[Center_ice]

DC Bullets, Nice post, but you are giving those two guys way too much credit. They are not that smart, trust me.:D

[rolla420]

I think it a joke to say that it is okay for the league to pay players (some not even involved in PIHA) to play an all star game. The leauge had no problem throwing out a large amount of money for this event which was unwanted by the majority of people involved with the league but has cut nearly every other possible expense, look at the hotel and area the Growl guys were forced to stay in for the Eastern finals. All so the league could save a few dollars. Maybe the league should consider not having a PIHA International and instead spending a few dollars to make sure players are not shot in the crack house of a hotel the league provided.

It is my personal opinion that the sport does plenty for the elite level player. For these highly skilled players there is Narch Pro, Torhs pro, and international teams. why does PIHA expend so much effort and money providing an additional venue for these people to play while failing the majority of players in the league. If all was well with the league then the creation of PIHA International would be great but obviously all is far from well.

Alot of people have been posting about the great things PIHA has done over the past years and the expansion which has occured. I am curious if that success has occured mainly because of a lack of competition from other leagues.

When everyone is considering where they will be playing next season I would advise you keep this in mind:

When PIHA thought its players and owners had no other league to turn to how well did they address your concerns and issues? Even if PIHA makes decent strides during the off season (causing newly proposed league to fail) what is to prevent them from having these same issues later down the road? Also are these changes occuring because the powers want to improve the league or just to keep teams from looking elsewhere?

EXCELLENT post and MANY great points.

[Doug Jones]

Competition drives any sport because it makes everyone be on the top of their game(s)

With competition, like Todd Wiley said, let's see who has the best package to offer the teams and has their ducks in a row.

[uconnhockey1]

DCBullets14-

The EconoLodge where we stayed in Maryland was 5-star, and Nalin at the front desk was nothing short of a saint.

[GROWL]

what makes little to no sense to me is why the All star players were treated better then the Finals players? that is a huge issue in my eyes. And what did this PIHA All star game accomplish for our sport? there were no international players, zero updates from the games, and the teams monies were wasted.

How is this putting us on the right track? How is it good for the sport?

What is accomplished was to create a promo product to sell to advertisers for a future league. Instead of doing it on their own dollar or on outside investor money like others have done in the past, they did it on ours. Why did the four teams at the eastern conference finals stay at a hotel that had bullet proof glass between you and the front desk clerk? Because the league was cutting every possible corner to spend on it's next business that benefited none of the people that do the work in this league.

[rhhof]

Gotta get my .02 in here

I thought the idea was great idea, but certain variables changed, as is being discussed and I in no way anymore do I back-up nor support anything yet...Its what will come out of it, not what has happened

I agree that using sub par standards vs. the previous years in taking care of teams is wrong - If a consistant mid range of spending every year was the norm then Im sure everyone is fine - but 5-star all the way to 2-star is pretty drastic (note to self, stay at Econo Lodge only if next to Waffle House)....on the other hand, it is coming clear that not all the money from teams was paid (this is not a shot to anyone) - it is no excuse to not take care of teams that have paid and moved on - If your landlord promises to fix something and doesn;t, do you pay him or move out? (just an example)

We need to have a town hall or something to address these problems with a large group of owners and people in the business to acheive positive solution and how we can go about making this product better, more appealing to each local area and more successful. If its regional, each region should come together with marketing, clinics, sales (Cheers to Doug Jones, Dave Garland, CJ Gamble....) and make it a group effort - most individual efforts are going a long way in their respective individual market (Cheers to Anthony Flynn, Todd Wiley, Jeff Haze and everyone up in Boston)

Let's get together - why not Vegas, anytime? or NARCh finals next month?

I'm game to help as always and I'm always looking for a way to get our sport back to where it needs to be and see if we can grow different youth levels and help us expand more

AGAIN - we need to get it together and figure out solutions

Let's Roll

[umsl_player_38]

Oh and for the record the players in the finals got the same treatmeant as the players in PIHA International. Also i think there was only 1 or maybe 2 players that played in the game that werent PIHA players. Pat Maroon was the only one i can think of. And like said before it was a promotional game that is trying to expand the league to something bigger than it already is. Now have a player who is possibly going to play in the NHL play and help this out, why is that such a bad cause.?
Also another thing we can sit here and yap about how bad the league is like they do every year but yet you still come back and play? i dont know but as a player even if i have to pay its fun. So what you think your wasting 400 500dollars on a league that has a chance to go some where? well what is the cost paying for a house league? and you would have to play in 4 or 5 leagues by the time PIHA is over. Adds about the same.
I dont know but as a young player in roller seeing this to be the only chance there is to build on wether it takes alot more years why not try it and see what happens cant hurt anything, and instead of complaing how about throwing thoughts in to help it out.

[DCbullets14]

I do not think that anyone feels that the idea behind PIHA International is bad. I think many people feel that the league is simply not ready for this step because of the serious issues the league is having.


I dont know but as a young player in roller seeing this to be the only chance there is to build on wether it takes alot more years why not try it and see what happens cant hurt anything, and instead of complaing how about throwing thoughts in to help it out.

I would have to disagree with this. I think the newly proposed league has a much greater potential for building the sport. With the involvement of AAU there is the potential for increased stability and growth potential. Having a league run by a group of owners could cause the league to grow exponentially.

You said we should stop complaining and instead throw in thoughts to help PIHA. Part of the problem with PIHA is that there is little anyone can do to help the league. Everything is essentially run and managed by an individual who most owners have been unable to contact. Do you honestly think Mr. Yoder will return a players calls if he cannot even get back to the team owners?

What happens in this league is determined by Mr. Yoder but, what will happen to this league will be determined by the team owners.

[NC Mustangs]

Very well said. It's the total sum of a lot of passionate people coming together to move this league/sport, not any one individual.

[GR8SK8r06]

Here is my take on it! I firmly believe that they should have only used PIHA players in the game. I have had many issues with the league as everyone else has and dealt with them accordingly. We talked to the guys at the finals and both of the teams were thrilled with the finals and were looking foward to next year. It's all about where the players want to play. The owners and GM's can do what they want but its the players that make the league and ultimately change the situation. As for the AIHL they have NO base of professional players that are committed to playing in the league. They dont know any players personally that they can plug into these organizations. So for all we know it could be a bunch of silver league rec players on each team with seven total teams making up the league with everyone living an average of 400 miles apart each. Or I could be wrong and it could have no problems and be the best league.

There are FEW of the top players in this sport that post on this site! So i have come to realize that we cant take what we hear on this site and say that is how the entire inline hockey community feels. FLYNN, you seem like a great guy that loves the sport, but it seems to me that you jumped the gun too quick on this new league! Dont think these guys dont have their own agendas because they started this league spite PIHA not using their insurance cards and other Team USA issues. When these guys sit at Tour for the USA tryouts and tell the manager that they dont like the way Brian Yingling and Sean Sullivan play, then we know their knowledge and experience in the sport is limited. Are you going to be representing this league in answering everyones ticky tack problems and issues with the AIHL on the site here. Because that would be BRUTAL!! There are many complainers here and you know it..... many of them with legitimate concerns but mostly dudes with outrageous claims. Are the Growl players sticking with you or are they keeping their loyalties to their good friends that play in the league nation wide. Guys just want to play the best hockey there is and the owners need to be careful about what league they choose because one is established and the other has guys that have no experience in playing or running inline hockey leagues. Think about the new can of worms you are opening. Guys can say that the league should do this...this and the other thing but there is always going to be issues and decisions that are going to piss guys off. So dont think for a second this new league is going to be a cure-all for your problems with pro hockey because guys that want to do endeavors like this need to #1 know people #2 Be experienced and #3 have the respect of everyone in the community....... none of which these guys have!

Charlie knows there are many problems and everyone paints him with this EVIL brush like he is a bad guy. Charley is a great guy and operates this league because he loves roller hockey, he just isnt that good at it. He knows that there needs to be committees of people making decisions yet all these people want answers NOW and it just isnt ganna happen 1 week after the season ended. Everyone just needs to chill out and start enjoying the tournament season of Narch and Torhs.

[Doug Jones]

Charlie knows there are many problems and everyone paints him with this EVIL brush like he is a bad guy. Charley is a great guy and operates this league because he loves roller hockey, he just isnt that good at it.

He knows that there needs to be committees of people making decisions yet all these people want answers NOW and it just isnt ganna happen 1 week after the season ended. Everyone just needs to chill out and start enjoying the tournament season of Narch and Torhs.

Then, we need someone with the leadership, the guidance and the vision and drive to make this league succeessful. At $4,500 a team, we as owners deserve to know what, how and why.

It's simple. As Anthony Flynn said, if you run a business and ignore your patrons, they go away.

Nice to know we all financed the next step up (which by the way was over us all) in the PIHA's food chain.

That should speak volumes of the motive and the direction of said league ownership....

[mephisto7890]

Why would anyone want to stay in piha after this past season, for me it was a waste of money this past season.

[alex]

To clarify, players on the teams actually in PIHA Finals (Phoenix & Connecticut) were treated the same as PIHA International players except that International players received a $300 stipend for the weekend ($50 per game). Phoenix & Connecticut players received $50 for the weekend.

And it wasn't 1, it was 4 non-PIHA players in the International showcase games.

[umsl_player_38]

Alex thanks for the correction.i just did not remeber anyone else.

[mephisto7890]

This piha international thing is a prime example of what is wrong with this league, they bring in some players who didnt even play in the league. Now I know where my money went this season. I hope every team leaves the league.

[scotty b]

Im really interested to see where this goes. It seems to me this is an east coast thing. As for the western conference, unless you get all the teams, you get none of them I would think. We cant travel like back there and play as many teams. The season seemed to go smooth out here and was alot of fun. Obviously they could have made some better decisions but I don't think that it will effect the west. My guess will be that you have two east coast leagues and one out here. This is purely speculation!

[seanth123]

Why did the four teams at the eastern conference finals stay at a hotel that had bullet proof glass between you and the front desk clerk? Because the league was cutting every possible corner to spend on it's next business that benefited none of the people that do the work in this league.

GROWL, unbelievable! I do business in the Maryland area, and couldn't believe they put you guys up their! I won't mention the name of the host because not sure if he wants to be associated with the leagues decision, but I KNOW he had made other - GREAT - reservations for the incoming teams. I know that he was pretty upset about the leagues decision to do this, as I spoke to him during the finals. He did not wish to comment on this. Sponsors of the Knights team were willing to give up rooms at a 45% discount, 1 mile from the rink. I know this for fact because I do business with these hotels also. Putting you guys 10-15 miles away, to save $20 a room is not acceptable.
Not to mention, it looked bad on the Knights for future sponsorship. I think the hosts hands were "tied" by the league in regards to managing the weekends events. All lot was planned, but never followed thru by the league. Not sure what direction the Knights are headed with this, but I can't help but think they are not happy with the current situation. I hope they do not throw in the towel so to speak because their is a bright future with that area.

[Center_ice]

Scotty b, I would not be so sure about that. AAU has a lot connections in the west, SoCal and Arizona pretty much AAU from what I hear. Also hear the NorCal guys are on board with the new league.

[alex]

Alex thanks for the correction.i just did not remeber anyone else.

No worries man. Just letting people know.

Although, I'm not 100% sure if Kyle Wallis, one of the "Mission representatives" played because I don't know who he is. I know the other 3, Maroon, Seibel, and Urbano did though.

[InlineMBA]

No worries man. Just letting people know.

Although, I'm not 100% sure if Kyle Wallis, one of the "Mission representatives" played because I don't know who he is. I know the other 3, Maroon, Seibel, and Urbano did though.

I just checked the PIHA web site under the PRO PLAYER LIST and I couldn't find either Maroon, Seibel or Urbano. Wallis isn't on the list either.

Alex - any idea what teams these 3 players played for? This way I'll look at the rosters for the teams and should be able to see their stats, if they played.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

Steve you can find the roster list that was on PIHA's website on the 08 finals thread.

Post #51

[Berry_Bramble]

AAU is top notch...I am sure they will do a great job with the league.

[InlineMBA]

Steve you can find the roster list that was on PIHA's website on the 08 finals thread.

Post #51

Jeff - Thanks

However, what I'm trying to find out is which PIHA teams these 4 guys played for during the regular season.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[DCbullets14]

that is an impossible task since non of the 4 play PIHA.

[InlineMBA]

Tx - That's what I thought.

Steve Inge - ROXBURY 8

[MrCanada]

Wow! So this is what I take from this post:

The league that you guys play and pay to play in decided to organized an International Event (without any International Players), treated these players as pro (which in your cases never hapenned because you have to lay out the money).

They invited sponsors and medias to promote a sport with players at a caliber that will never be matched during a regular season of this league. That is false adversiting!!!

This does not hold, I would be p!ssed if I was an onwer/player even a fan!
How can these people walk in any rinks without any shame?

After this fiasco I hope this league closes the books!

Its a travesty!!!!!!!!!!!

[mephisto7890]

There were just as many problems in the west as in the east. There were many problems in the gateway division. Also I heard rumors that Phoenix had to pay for their travel to the Conference Finals and Finals because their division had two teams that didnt pay their fees. The teams have to do the scheduling, they pay for rink time for games, they pay the refs, they have to update the website, what does the league do for the teams? Atleast at the local adult league the manager does the schedule, updates the scores and schedules the refs!


I will not play in this league and I advise every inline player I know not to play in it.

[Puckdropper1]

Can I get an up to date score card and program. I am lost at this point.....

Leave it alone Haze......lol

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

Can I get an up to date score card and program. I am lost at this point.....

Leave it alone Haze......lol

Ok mr I wish I could ref as good as hausman

[Puckdropper1]

Now that's hitting below the belt? ouch....

[Puckdropper1]

But every good official pray's to the Hauseman god every night before going to sleep.....while wearing our footed PJ's and instead of a bottle, we have the golden whistle....lol

[Berry_Bramble]

Lets just turn the PIHAge and start the new chapter in the wonderfull book of Senior AAA roller hockey in North America.

Can't wait to see what will hapen with the new league, I guess that from now on you have the green light AiHL.

Yes..thank god AAU is known for following through on there promises.

[silverman56]

I dont think AAU is running AIHL, I think the owners are running it, with support from AAU.

[DCbullets14]

we all know PIHA international was a complete success Mr Yoder focused all of his attention towards this instead of worrying about the entire league.

[MrCanada]

we all know PIHA international was a complete success Mr Yoder focused all of his attention towards this instead of worrying about the entire league.

And that my friend should be his downfall, he needs to realise that he's dealing with adults here not kids. You guys all have full time jobs, you give him enought money each year to run this league so you can be worry free. Well times have change and so will the faces of roller hockey.

Lets welcome new blood, new ideas and put our trust into a new organization.

Amen!

[pghbandit11]

And that my friend should be his downfall, he needs to realise that he's dealing with adults here not kids. You guys all have full time jobs, you give him enought money each year to run this league so you can be worry free. Well times have change and so will the faces of roller hockey.

Lets welcome new blood, new ideas and put our trust into a new organization.

Amen!

I couldnt agree more, the AIHL seems to be the solution.

[Center_ice]

Must not be much action on Vio's message board since he is spending all his time over hee. jk.