all american's

[dan sangiorgio]

who do u think
i picked these based on what i saw watching plus some statisitcal consideration
i think the top 4 for d1 are almost a no brainer but gouge IMO could be LU's most solid player and easily first team
d1 first team fudge(LU), middleton(LU),bruce(LU), tallo(umsl)
d1second team gouge(LU), burrorws(LBS), tasch(UCI), nelson(URI)


Steve klenk dominated every shift he played all week he could have single handly beat maine by himself as well as being the mvp of championshgip game. mccubbins looked solid in the two games i saw him play i didn't get to see SLU play but from what i heard was O'Rourke was pretty solid as well and should be considered. Mariotti should be first team based on his defensive presences as well
d2 first team S. klenk (neumann) scotto (neumann) mccubbins (UCSD) mariotti(neumann)
second team Saraceni(WCU) Donahue(neumann) keene(WCU) moody(Truman)

[georgies#1]

Yea those are solid DI picks....but I think u meant Middelton (UC-I).....n I wouldn't personally put him on the 1st team....just bc he didnt even cross the redline all nationals...but his team did only have 5 players so that could be why but I would say 44 on UC-I was more valuable to the team bc he set it all up n actually helped the team on D and Offense...but thats just my opinion...Middelton does have a great shot!

[elias19]

i would take tasch on uci over middleton

[jsp047]

i would take tasch on uci over middleton
This may be because you play for Buffalo and Tasch did put on quite a show during that game....but it shouldn't take away from the fact that Charlie put us on his back to get us within 2 during the Stony Brook game, he had 5 of the 9 goals that night, along with the gwg with 1:30 left against Mizzou and so many others..I think they both made damn good arguments for all-american selections...but I am def. biased

[csdahlberg]

...along with the gwg with 1:30 left against Mizzou

That goal made me sad. I just couldn't last the final 1:30 after shutting him down all damn game.

[William Bourque]

I think they both made damn good arguments for all-american selections...but I am def. biased

If they both aren't all-American selections than something is wrong with the selection process. They were clearly two of the top eight players in the country.

[UL-Lafayette]

i'd take tasch and middleton over any other duo around. t-moneys dangls are straight up sickk.

[Ben Lambert]

i'd take tasch and middleton over any other duo around. t-moneys dangls are straight up sickk.

I wouldn't.

I would take Fudge-Gouge Bruce-Fudge Gouge-Bruce Clarke-Tallo Meade-Tallo Meade-Clarke Moody-Daugherty Tamburino-whoever over those two.

Not that they aren't good. The game against LU should've showed everyone what those sickk dangls are good for against a deep team.

I was shocked when they came back vs. SBU. They rode that momentum all the way to the finals. Congrats to them, but I like players who have a complete game myself....

[alex]

The game against LU should've showed everyone what those sickk dangls are good for against a deep team.


The game against LU should've showed everyone what having 5 skaters and a goalie that's been playing for 6 months is good for against a deep team.

[KJL22]

Congrats to them, but I like players who have a complete game myself....

I certainly agree with you that judging by what is seen in NCRHA play, Middleton and Tasch appear to be one way players. However they both have the potential to play a "complete game" (believe it or not) and it's just that UCI adapted a system where each player has a specific role and their job was to put the puck in the net.

[UL-Lafayette]

going into the LU-UCI game i thought Lindenwood would run them out the building, and it proved true. i never said anything about UCI's 5 players being able to hang with LU, all i was saying was that i thought Middleton and Tasch were a "top duo" in the country. put tasch and middleton on a team with 12 solid players, and i bet they would be even better and more of "complete players". its hard to backcheck balls out and play great defense when your averaging 30 minutes a game played and have absolutely no bench ...

also, i only got to watch 2 LU games in Colorado but #6 McGuinness (aside from Bruce) imo was one of there best players. everytime a goal was scored for LU it seemed like he was making something happen.

[missionhockey33]

it was a one goal game going to the 3rd. i think its a little pathetic when you have the best players in the country and your only beating a team with five guys going into the 3rd period in a quarterfinal championship game. great UCI loved that SBU UCI game. finally we now have a East Coast West Coast rivalry in college roller hockey. One resides in New York and the other in California. Great for the league!

[rollerRocket]

How is that a rivalry? They've only played each other one time, ever.

[missionhockey33]

How is that a rivalry? They've only played each other one time, ever.

just because they have only played each other once doesn't mean there is no rivalry. I just figured that the likelihood of a east coast team west coast team meet is slim to none. It was a hard fought game and the fact that one almost claimed victory, and the end result was the other team. Makes the losing team more hungry to play them again. Such as the USA vs USSR. USA lost the first game and then upset them the next. Not saying this was an upset but that both teams will be ready to play each other again if it comes down to it.

[dogshtdaddy]

Tamburino, Bruce, Tallo, Fudge, Tasch and Middleton are the best players in college roller hockey. And if you dont agree then you obviously dont know to much about hockey

[simon10]

Tamburino, Bruce, Tallo, Fudge, Tasch and Middleton are the best players in college roller hockey. And if you dont agree then you obviously dont know to much about hockey


Alll of those players are awesome. However i think all of them are a step above of Middelton. Yeah he put up monsterous numbers but what I saw from him at nationals was he was more of a goal hanger and not to strong of a skater. However he was a pure sniper probably whu he had all those points.

[jsp047]

Alll of those players are awesome. However i think all of them are a step above of Middelton. Yeah he put up monsterous numbers but what I saw from him at nationals was he was more of a goal hanger and not to strong of a skater.
We play a style that suits us best for having 5 guys, it happens to include Charlie cherry picking/sniping....we'll gladly take his 100+ goals over having him show everyone that he can be a "complete" player and prove he is on the same level as Bruce, Tallo, Fudge etc. his NARCH accomplishments can do that for him. Its hard to have the success the Militia have had on that level with him being...
not to strong of a skater. His one-way play on UCI got us to the final four.

[simon10]

im not doubting his abilities as a scorer maybe its your style i have never seen him play outside of nationals a few weeks ago i was just stating my opionon on what i saw

[fo5]

simon 10, i do what i feel gives my team the best chance to win. with 5 skaters this does not include me skating both ends of the rink.if we were losing games because i was not skating both ends of the rink then i would have changed strategy, but we only lost 2 games this season, one without tasch, who is an amazing contributor to my success (not to mention muller frecker or pollock) and the other loss was to lindenwood. if you watch me play narch torhs or ncrha, then i think you would know that winning the game is my top priority if it means cherry picking or playing solid defense. at narch this weekend in Irvine i shared the puck with ( and played defense with) some of the top offensive players involved with narch like josh larichia and jr cadiz. (heads up! people talk about ethan chavira, who is really good, but watch out for cadiz and larichia because both of them can play at that level)

[RichardGraham]

Hi Charlie,

It's good to have you post on IHC. It makes sense to me that a team and its players attempt whichever strategy works for them to win games. You'd have to play a different style with five skaters than if you had 10 or more. I'll always remember your team's play in the "Miracle on Plastic." (tm, Copyright) ;)

[socalhockey]

simon 10, i do what i feel gives my team the best chance to win. with 5 skaters this does not include me skating both ends of the rink.if we were losing games because i was not skating both ends of the rink then i would have changed strategy, but we only lost 2 games this season, one without tasch, who is an amazing contributor to my success (not to mention muller frecker or pollock) and the other loss was to lindenwood. if you watch me play narch torhs or ncrha, then i think you would know that winning the game is my top priority if it means cherry picking or playing solid defense. at narch this weekend in Irvine i shared the puck with ( and played defense with) some of the top offensive players involved with narch like josh larichia and jr cadiz. (heads up! people talk about ethan chavira, who is really good, but watch out for cadiz and larichia because both of them can play at that level)

I watched the New Revision team play at NARCH last weekend and can say without a doubt that Charlie can play whatever style that a particular team needs him to play at. He can and will do whatever it takes for his teams to win. By the way, the Revision team with Middleton,Tasch, Larichia, Cadiz, Ellis and Urbano in net and whatever other players they may have, will be tough to beat in the Pro Division at the NARCH finals. Go West Coast!

[daddydangles]

i dont know that much about college roller hockey even though i roll around with 4 rings on my finger...... but who is mr tambourine man? middleton didnt even come close to the red line, but yet those 2 guys are way better then Gouge and Hill. Tambourine man would be tying the girl goalies skates on lindenwood's B team, yet you think he's an all american. tasch can hang with lindenwood, but master splinter needs to go to two way hockey school.

[rh9]

very intelligent post

[topshelf]

Tamburino, Bruce, Tallo, Fudge, Tasch and Middleton are the best players in college roller hockey. And if you dont agree then you obviously dont know to much about hockey

Tamburino? He's good but not an All American. Burrows for LB is a much better choice. He had over 100 points, led the nation in Short Handed goals and was in the top 5 in all the other major categories. Talk about an all around player. And he didn't have Tasch feeding him the puck. By the way, both Tallo and Burrows are underclassman that will be even better in the years to come!

[dan sangiorgio]

i would have to agree tambo may be a solid player but when compared to some of the other guys out there all american he is not.

[simon10]

i completely disagree with the statement tamburino is not on the all-american level. Keep in mind he plays defense and still manages to put up a ton of points. He controls the puck when ever is he on the rink which is alot of the game and doesnt make mistakes. Hes up there with the best and is def an all-american. As for burrows he is a solid player very quick good shot. I no he racked up all those points but thats just becasue he was the only legit good player on his team. When ever he called for the puck his teamates immideatly gave it to him no matter the situation or where he was on the rink. Dont get me wrong he is a good player but not yet on the level of all those other guys.

[hockeydude92]

i dont know that much about college roller hockey even though i roll around with 4 rings on my finger...... but who is mr tambourine man? middleton didnt even come close to the red line, but yet those 2 guys are way better then Gouge and Hill. Tambourine man would be tying the girl goalies skates on lindenwood's B team, yet you think he's an all american. tasch can hang with lindenwood, but master splinter needs to go to two way hockey school.

i think he when he was talking about mr tambourine i think he meant by middleton not tamburino. tamburino is definitely an all american.

[hockeydude92]

i completely disagree with the statement tamburino is not on the all-american level. Keep in mind he plays defense and still manages to put up a ton of points. He controls the puck when ever is he on the rink which is alot of the game and doesnt make mistakes. Hes up there with the best and is def an all-american. As for burrows he is a solid player very quick good shot. I no he racked up all those points but thats just becasue he was the only legit good player on his team. When ever he called for the puck his teamates immideatly gave it to him no matter the situation or where he was on the rink. Dont get me wrong he is a good player but not yet on the level of all those other guys.
you're contradicting yourself throughout the whole post. Tamburino is a NCRHA veteran and put up numbers every year he played. in the beginning of your post you state that you disagree with all the statements, and at the end your saying hes not on the level of all those other players. doesn't make sense. and stating that everyone gave the puck to him when on the rink is kind of bashing the team (SBU and Towson). if he did at Stony Brook then I guess everyone at towson just fed him the puck to everytime he was on the rink. Both teams when he was or wasn't on the team were successful.

[rh9]

He is talking about Burrows in the second half of the post not Tamburino

[dan sangiorgio]

1 reason i don't think tambo should be an all american because for the last 2 years he failed to lead his team out of the sweet 16 maybe just a couple of bad breaks however imo since gene gsell left towson the team made a huge drop from being a national contender proving that he was the key to the sucess and this year with SBU after douglas left the team seem to struggle as well. i think your teams sucess should be considered which is why i give the nod to a player like middleton over tambo

[fulton22]

some of you guys need to watch some narch hockey. middleton not an all american? you realize hes one of the best players on a team that went 4-0 in narch pro at this years winter nationals (Mission Militia) facing teams like the MudCats and Mission Syndicate. i should know ive played against a majority of these players being considered. Middleton, easily all american. Tamburino doesnt belong within 1000 yards of that list.

[simon10]

you're contradicting yourself throughout the whole post. Tamburino is a NCRHA veteran and put up numbers every year he played. in the beginning of your post you state that you disagree with all the statements, and at the end your saying hes not on the level of all those other players. doesn't make sense. and stating that everyone gave the puck to him when on the rink is kind of bashing the team (SBU and Towson). if he did at Stony Brook then I guess everyone at towson just fed him the puck to everytime he was on the rink. Both teams when he was or wasn't on the team were successful.


ok you obvioulsly have a problem with reading comprehension

[ISFN]

This is for the NCRHA all-stars not NARCH or TORHS. So stating what these players do outside of NCRHA *should* mean nothing.

[luhockey1]

Just an idea...... After the last regional tournament is over. Every team in DI, DII, DIII and B submits 4 nominations for All-Americans with their #1 choice being their player of the year candidate, 2 nominations for All-Rookie Team with their top choice being their rookie of the year candidate, and all Juniors and Seniors that have above a 3.2 cumm GPA and qualify for Academic All-American. After the national tournament, the commissioner of the NCRHA can email out to all coaches or team president (preferably coaches) to vote on All-Americans and All-Rookie Teams for their respective division. The commissioner will tally all the votes and you will have a Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year, 1st-2nd-3rd and Hon Mention All-American Teams, 1st-2nd-3rd All Rookie Teams and all players eligible will be named to the Academic All-American team.

The honorable mention all-american team can be used to make sure that one player from every team gets recognized in their respective division, I know that will be a lot of guys on that team, but so what. This will be a source of pride for every team. So for instance if Team A does not have a representative on either of the first three teams, their first choice submitted by their coach would be named to the honorable mention team.

I also think their should be an all-tournament team from the national tournament. There should be a tournament MVP and a 1st-2nd-3rd All-Tournament Team.

This would also be good for every region to have for each division a Region Player of the Year, Region 1st-2nd-Hon. Mention team, Rookie of the Year, and All-Rookie team. And similar for the Regional Tournament.

These are legitimate awards that you will find in all levels of hockey and most every collegiate sports. These are awards that teams can take pride in, universities can take pride in and help legitimize the sport of college roller hockey. It is a shame that there is no recognition on the NCRHA site for any of the great individual achievements of their players this season......

[hockeydude92]

ok you obvioulsly have a problem with reading comprehension

I apologize simon10 I misinterpreted what you wrote.

[alex]

This is for the NCRHA all-stars not NARCH or TORHS. So stating what these players do outside of NCRHA *should* mean nothing.

It is relevant when the argument is made that a player isn't All-American worthy because he doesn't play both ends of the rink in NCRHA. The point is if you watch him outside of NCRHA in NARCh & TORHS, he can play both ends of the rink, so it just proves the point he's playing his part in a system in NCRHA with UC Irvine, it's not that he actually is a one-way player.

[ISFN]

Its actually isn't relevant how he performes in Narch of Torhs. You think the people who select Narch and Torhs all-stars base their decisions on how that player may or may not have performed in NCRHA? See makes no sense.

There are plenty of great players in the NCRHA who don't play Narch or Torhs, so does that make them not All-American worthy?

Point is, NCRHA All-American award is given to the players who perform and excell at the NCRHA nationals not how many gold medals or mvps they have gotten in the past.

[teambergenfield]

Robbie Fulton of Rutgers is an All-American.
He is a fantastic player, a solid defenseman and he loves the country.
Any conversation about All-Americans has to include Robbie Fulton.

[alex]

Its actually isn't relevant how he performes in Narch of Torhs. You think the people who select Narch and Torhs all-stars base their decisions on how that player may or may not have performed in NCRHA? See makes no sense.

There are plenty of great players in the NCRHA who don't play Narch or Torhs, so does that make them not All-American worthy?

Point is, NCRHA All-American award is given to the players who perform and excell at the NCRHA nationals not how many gold medals or mvps they have gotten in the past.

You're not following. I'm not making an argument for a player to be an All-American based on what he has done in NARCh/TORHS. The reason of 'being a one-way player' was given as why a player should not be All-American. His two-way play in NARCh/TORHS (a higher level of play) is being referenced only to disprove the idea that he's a one-way player, so this debate can be reframed as it should be: on player's NCRHA accomplishments. Those NCRHA accomplishments are all offensive numbers but should not be less significant because he only plays one end of the rink. He's shown it's simply a choice for strategic purposes that he plays one end of the rink in NCRHA.

[fulton22]

ok well. i was simply pointing to the fact that against better teams in narch platinum he plays both sides of the rink. his team has 5 players with him being the most offensively talented one, why not hang a little?

and btw in the NCRHA i do believe he had over 100 points, pretty sure thats all american worthy.

thanks tommy, lol.

[RichardGraham]

At least one of you guys is a master debater! ;)

[TSUMoody89]

All American selections in college sports are most often based on stats put up by individuals for that season against teams in their same division. I think the 2007-2008 NCRHA D1 stats speak for themselves!

Num Name Team GP PTS
45 Middleton, Charlie UCI 27 152
44 Tasch, Mike UCI 24 108
00 Burrows, Ryan LB 26 104
33 Cowdell, Ryan TOW 31 104
47 Walser, Tyler BUFF 33 104

Note: These stats and more can be found at the following link!/ www.ncrha.org/stats.php?game_type_id=o&league_division_id=1

I don't think that is a fair assessment of what makes an individual an All-American. Where is the statistic for the shut down defenseman? Or the compensation for the fact that UMSL, Lindenwood, etc play in a division with a mercy rule? I know these are all points that have been mentioned in various discussions people have had over the past years, but I thought it was relevant to bring them into this conversation as well.

Numbers do not say everything. No matter how bad you want them to.

[TSUMoody89]

UCI and Long Beach also play in a division with a mercy rule! And you are right about numbers not saying everything. However they do say a lot no matter how much you want to ignore them!

A good point. I had meant to mention that when I typed my response, but forgot. Numbers do say a lot, I agree. I am just saying that it might not be the foolproof way of establishing the All-Americans. Failing to include anyone from Lindenwood or PJ Tallo in the list would be an oversight. That was the gist of what I was trying to say originally.

Either way, congrats to any of the players that have been mentioned in any of these lists that have been made on this board. Even being discussed in this conversation should be considered a testament to your game.

[swisspongesd]

I'm a little late in this blog, but I must say it is hard to say who is better than who... I have gotten the honor of playing with Charlie in the past four years for UCI, and I must say that he is an amazing player. He brought our team from being a middle of the pack D1 Western region team to a national contender. We dont get much support from our school at uci ($500), and we really have to play with whom we have. This year we felt we would be most competitive with 5 and that is what we went with. Charlie goes to the local park rink everyday (sometimes twice a day) and really works for his talent. He may not know it, but Charlie has really contributed to the development of our team over the years. I know that I have improved tremendously over the years I have been playing with Charlie. Our goalie this year played defense last year. Who was out shooting on our goalie almost every day, getting Leo ready for regionals and nationals....Charlie. When we where down to Stony brook in the first round...Charlie really stepped it up scored a couple of goals and got us pumped up along with the crowd (thanks to all who were cheering for us). Anyways, long story short Charlie has a laid back attitude, but is a leader on and off the rink. He adjusts his game for what is best for our team. This year with Mike, Jeff and Alex we had a low goals against, and needed him to dominate up front, and he delivered just that. I off course have a bias opinion since I play on his team but I truly think Charlie is one of the top four players in the NCRHA- not only for his skill but for all that he has contributed in the development of our team.

(sorry for the corny blog)

Fabian

UCI #2

[wednthavddr]

All Americans are out and Rick Vincent Garcia is on the list from UCF. He is a good player, but definetly not the best choice. They could have at least picked somebody else from UCF. Gianfranco or Cafferty would be a better choice. Franco is a very good all around player and Cafferty's hands are gross and he can finish.
There are also other players that can be picked but thats just my opinion.

[missionhockey33]

All Americans are out and Rick Vincent Garcia is on the list from UCF. He is a good player, but definetly not the best choice. They could have at least picked somebody else from UCF. Gianfranco or Cafferty would be a better choice. Franco is a very good all around player and Cafferty's hands are gross and he can finish.
There are also other players that can be picked but thats just my opinion.

Well the legit list is up and Franco is on it on the NCRHA site
d1 1st team should just be called Lindenwood/UMSL with a touch of Irvine
d1 2nd team should be called Lindenwood/UMSL with a touch of sunshine (CA/FL)

d2 should be Team PA

when will the NCRHA all stars from each region be announced

[InlineMBA]

First off - Congrat's to all the players selected!

Second - What is posted on the NCRHA web site are the "2008 All-Tournament" teams. So, I would have to assume that the selections were based on an individual's performance during the NCRHA's CRHC, correct? Therefore, one's opinion of "All American's" (performance during the regular season) might differ from the "2008 All-Tournament" teams. Or, did a player's performance during the regular season influence his selection to the "2008 All-Tournament" team?

Personally, I would have put Tallo on the first team and I would have put Blake Johnson on the "All-Revision Team", but other than that I happen to agree with the NCRHA's selections. Well done.

Steve Inge -

[lacemupkid78]

Well the legit list is up and Franco is on it on the NCRHA site
d1 1st team should just be called Lindenwood/UMSL with a touch of Irvine
d1 2nd team should be called Lindenwood/UMSL with a touch of sunshine (CA/FL)

d2 should be Team PA

when will the NCRHA all stars from each region be announced

I guess your east beasts didn't do much but sit in the sweet sixteen. The east once again choked . Wonder why they didn't get any nominations? hehe

[JLambertUMSL]

All American selections in college sports are most often based on stats put up by individuals for that season against teams in their same division. I think the 2007-2008 NCRHA D1 stats speak for themselves!

Num Name Team GP PTS
45 Middleton, Charlie UCI 27 152
44 Tasch, Mike UCI 24 108
00 Burrows, Ryan LB 26 104
33 Cowdell, Ryan TOW 31 104
47 Walser, Tyler BUFF 33 104

Note: These stats and more can be found at the following link!/ www.ncrha.org/stats.php?game_type_id=o&league_division_id=1

:rolleyes:

There's a couple of All-Americans who had to face Lindenwood five times this season. One of them had points on 10 of the 30 goals Lindenwood gave up all year long, and missed two blowouts, which had he played in them, would have been a chance to pile up a bunch of meaningless garbage numbers like the bulk of the above-quoted. (Not that those numbers aren't impressive, but let's be honest here.)

[topshelf]

:rolleyes:

There's a couple of All-Americans who had to face Lindenwood five times this season. One of them had points on 10 of the 30 goals Lindenwood gave up all year long, and missed two blowouts, which had he played in them, would have been a chance to pile up a bunch of meaningless garbage numbers like the bulk of the above-quoted. (Not that those numbers aren't impressive, but let's be honest here.)

"Meaningless garbage numbers" Wow! I guess other than Lindenwoods and PJ Tallo's numbers the rest are just garbage. Why even have a league, maybe the NCRHA should just have two teams, UMSL and Lindenwood. You need to wake up!

[missionhockey33]

"Meaningless garbage numbers" Wow! I guess other than Lindenwoods and PJ Tallo's numbers the rest are just garbage. Why even have a league, maybe the NCRHA should just have two teams, UMSL and Lindenwood. You need to wake up!

hey topshelf i have a better idea how about james lambert plays for umsl next year heck he'll have 5 years of eligibility lol.

[JLambertUMSL]

"Meaningless garbage numbers" Wow! I guess other than Lindenwoods and PJ Tallo's numbers the rest are just garbage. Why even have a league, maybe the NCRHA should just have two teams, UMSL and Lindenwood. You need to wake up!

I said "the bulk of" the numbers. Lighten up. The point is that the top five point-producers in the country didn't necessarily have a better season than some guys who ended up lower on the list because they played against tougher competition.

[JLambertUMSL]

hey topshelf i have a better idea how about james lambert plays for umsl next year heck he'll have 5 years of eligibility lol.

Who are you and who do you play for?

[rollerRocket]

I'm getting really sick of reading about UMSL constantly talking about their own team like they're god's gift to roller hockey.

[topshelf]

I said "the bulk of" the numbers. Lighten up. The point is that the top five point-producers in the country didn't necessarily have a better season than some guys who ended up lower on the list because they played against tougher competition.

Besides Lindenwood, who did you play that was so tough? Towson had to play Rhode Island, Buffalo, Rutgers and Stony Brook. UCI and Long Beach had to play each other, UNLV, Cal Poly SLO and Davis. And I'm sure that the players on all those very strong teams would resent the comment that the stats against them would be considered " Garbage Stats"! Long Beach scored only two goals in regionals against UCI but were able to score Five against UMSL and Cash at Nationals, would you consider those stats as "garbage stats" also? You need to get over yourself!

[missionhockey33]

Who are you and who do you play for?
I'm a player from the east that doesn't boast about his team every chance i get. yea you have a good team with good players but i think just playing lindenwood 5 times a year isn't competition. Yes it is a challenge but not competition you guys were very tactful in your season by figuring out their system and pulled a W in for a regional title. And at nationals your toughest game and exciting game was against Stony Brook, as much as you talk about them you know both teams give each other good games and both teams look forward to playing each other.

Why don't you guys make a trip for a weekend just like EMU to play the east teams and see what they go through for a weekend. You want to see competition thats what you will get it. You're not going to see dangling all over the place but I could promise you'll play some good hockey.Yea i know only 1 one of the 5 teams made it past the sweet 16 and even that one team got smoked in the next round. Just like your region with you guys lindenwood and mizzou,they all made it and played in hard fought games.

The fact that is you guys had three players that made it anyway is insane "in a good way". i don't see burrows, cowdell, tamburino, ascenzo, walser, stein, or even the controversial DESKINS complaining. don't you think they got shafted. and just because one of your players YOU thought should have been on the first team cause he missed two game. please spare me. Nonetheless he's an All American in College Roller Hockey whether hes on the first or tenth team he's on that list.

Also I would like to see how long your players will last against a team like Army which is probably the most fit team in the NCRHA and underated besides Penn State in the East. Like some players have already said you do tend to hype your team up slightly too much which is good in some ways and bad in others. Your like Stan Fischler going on and on about the NJ Devils. Kinda gets old.

Hope to hear nothing but positives from you next season.

[wednthavddr]

Missionhockey33...you said Franco is on the NCRHA list. I dont see his name. I may be retarded, just let me know where you see it.

[RustyPipes27]

I said "the bulk of" the numbers. Lighten up. The point is that the top five point-producers in the country didn't necessarily have a better season than some guys who ended up lower on the list because they played against tougher competition.

Yeah, I'm growing a little bit tired of UMSL's shameless self-promotion, too. They had a great run this year, sure, but they're not the only team that's been to a national championship before (and lost). Give credit where credit is due. People have given you yours.

[missionhockey33]

Missionhockey33...you said Franco is on the NCRHA list. I dont see his name. I may be retarded, just let me know where you see it.

i meant garcia

[know the game]

I'm a player from the east that doesn't boast about his team every chance i get. yea you have a good team with good players but i think just playing lindenwood 5 times a year isn't competition. Yes it is a challenge but not competition you guys were very tactful in your season by figuring out their system and pulled a W in for a regional title. And at nationals your toughest game and exciting game was against Stony Brook, as much as you talk about them you know both teams give each other good games and both teams look forward to playing each other.

Why don't you guys make a trip for a weekend just like EMU to play the east teams and see what they go through for a weekend. You want to see competition thats what you will get it. You're not going to see dangling all over the place but I could promise you'll play some good hockey.Yea i know only 1 one of the 5 teams made it past the sweet 16 and even that one team got smoked in the next round. Just like your region with you guys lindenwood and mizzou,they all made it and played in hard fought games.

The fact that is you guys had three players that made it anyway is insane "in a good way". i don't see burrows, cowdell, tamburino, ascenzo, walser, stein, or even the controversial DESKINS complaining. don't you think they got shafted. and just because one of your players YOU thought should have been on the first team cause he missed two game. please spare me. Nonetheless he's an All American in College Roller Hockey whether hes on the first or tenth team he's on that list.

Also I would like to see how long your players will last against a team like Army which is probably the most fit team in the NCRHA and underated besides Penn State in the East. Like some players have already said you do tend to hype your team up slightly too much which is good in some ways and bad in others. Your like Stan Fischler going on and on about the NJ Devils. Kinda gets old.

Hope to hear nothing but positives from you next season.

NICE POST

YOU WILL NEVER HEAR DESKINS BITCH ABOUT ANYTHING HE HAS 2 MUCH CLASS AND HE WILL GET HIS 2ND DEGREE FROM EMU:) MOST OF THE GUYS ON THIS BOARD WOULDN'T KNOW AN ALL AMERICIAN IF IT KICKED THEM IN THE A$$ ROLLER HAS A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE PICKING ALL AMERICIANS ONLY 2 OR 3 FROM ALL THE TEAMS COULD MAKE THE US NATIONAL TEAM

[NCGoalie]

What about Schultz at eastern michigan?

[rh9]

NICE POST

YOU WILL NEVER HEAR DESKINS BITCH ABOUT ANYTHING HE HAS 2 MUCH CLASS AND HE WILL GET HIS 2ND DEGREE FROM EMU:) MOST OF THE GUYS ON THIS BOARD WOULDN'T KNOW AN ALL AMERICIAN IF IT KICKED THEM IN THE A$$ ROLLER HAS A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE PICKING ALL AMERICIANS ONLY 2 OR 3 FROM ALL THE TEAMS COULD MAKE THE US NATIONAL TEAM

Deskins may be the least classy player in the NCRHA. Eastern Michicgan as a whole was an embarrassment to the league. I witnessed the backup goalie get booted from a game because he couldn't shut his mouth. Plus.....this whole US national team talk is boring me. If you can't afford a plane ticket to tryouts you don't make the "national team"....good argument

[know the game]

Ticket To The National Team Tryout Ha Ha Ha Ha:d

[MAmato]

I'm pretty humored by this thread.

The reason the old messageboard turned into such a black hole of content was due to a couple of posters that made it unbearable. Their epic rants were apparently made in an effort not just to break their arms patting themselves on the back, but to shatter every bone in their body. The signal to noise ratio went to zero, the boards were closed, and everyone that had to read those inane threads rolled their eyes and moved on to the next task at hand.

Now we have a new messageboard and guess what, the same self-serving posts are coming from the same university and (likely) the same posters. It's absolutely mind boggling. It's small man's syndrome at its best: any time someone is complimented or praised, if the praise is not accompanied by further superlative lauding of their admittedly good team or players, the same posters crap all over the thread, OVER AND OVER.

Could you please, PLEASE stop so we can discuss something more interesting? Like paint drying? Or is it going to take the board getting shut down again to stop your useless ****-posting?

[JLambertUMSL]

I'm pretty humored by this thread.

The reason the old messageboard turned into such a black hole of content was due to a couple of posters that made it unbearable. Their epic rants were apparently made in an effort not just to break their arms patting themselves on the back, but to shatter every bone in their body. The signal to noise ratio went to zero, the boards were closed, and everyone that had to read those inane threads rolled their eyes and moved on to the next task at hand.

Now we have a new messageboard and guess what, the same self-serving posts are coming from the same university and (likely) the same posters. It's absolutely mind boggling. It's small man's syndrome at its best: any time someone is complimented or praised, if the praise is not accompanied by further superlative lauding of their admittedly good team or players, the same posters crap all over the thread, OVER AND OVER.

Could you please, PLEASE stop so we can discuss something more interesting? Like paint drying? Or is it going to take the board getting shut down again to stop your useless ****-posting?


Why don't we look back and remember exactly why the board got shut down: because someone who was on the BOD at the time was making posts alleging bias at the highest levels of the NCRHA, which allegedly was hurting the league's image. I see none of that here.

What I see from you is revisionist history.

If anything in this thread qualifies as an epic or hysterical rant, it's nothing I've posted.

At any rate, goodbye. I'll stop posting so you can discuss something more interesting.

[JLambertUMSL]

I'm a player from the east that doesn't boast about his team every chance i get. yea you have a good team with good players but i think just playing lindenwood 5 times a year isn't competition. Yes it is a challenge but not competition you guys were very tactful in your season by figuring out their system and pulled a W in for a regional title. And at nationals your toughest game and exciting game was against Stony Brook, as much as you talk about them you know both teams give each other good games and both teams look forward to playing each other.

As much as I talk about them? I'm not sure exactly what you mean here.

Actually, the toughest games at Nationals were:
1)Lindenwood
2)Long Beach State -- playoff game, trailing in the third period...
3)Florida -- playoff game, tied in the third period...
4)Stony Brook -- great competition, but a round robin game.

The most exciting games were:
1)Long Beach State
2)Stony Brook
3)Florida.

We played the best teams our Season Director allowed us to play. Three regular-season games against Lindenwood (rather than two), a cross-divisional game against Truman State, two games against St. Charles, etc.


Why don't you guys make a trip for a weekend just like EMU to play the east teams and see what they go through for a weekend. You want to see competition thats what you will get it. You're not going to see dangling all over the place but I could promise you'll play some good hockey.Yea i know only 1 one of the 5 teams made it past the sweet 16 and even that one team got smoked in the next round. Just like your region with you guys lindenwood and mizzou,they all made it and played in hard fought games.

I know how strong the competition is in the ECRHA. I've never said otherwise. The implication that I'm ripping on other regions is a bunch of BS. Point out where I've failed to give credit where credit's due.

Regarding traveling to an ECRHA event: we've been trying to do this for years; it never seems to work out. Now that we've been moved to the Athletic Department, maybe it'll happen in '08-09.



The fact that is you guys had three players that made it anyway is insane "in a good way". i don't see burrows, cowdell, tamburino, ascenzo, walser, stein, or even the controversial DESKINS complaining. don't you think they got shafted. and just because one of your players YOU thought should have been on the first team cause he missed two game. please spare me. Nonetheless he's an All American in College Roller Hockey whether hes on the first or tenth team he's on that list.

Take a look at the post I responded to -- it was the one that suggested that all-star teams should be based on raw numbers. It had NOTHING to do with the actual all-tournament team whatsoever. It was simply a response to a post that I thought was bull.

So I'll be brutally intellectually honest here in wondering how Cash, a goalie who played in three games at Nationals and put up a pedestrian 3.00 GAA and .838 save percentage in two playoff games, could possibly win the tournament's MVG award.



Also I would like to see how long your players will last against a team like Army which is probably the most fit team in the NCRHA and underated besides Penn State in the East. Like some players have already said you do tend to hype your team up slightly too much which is good in some ways and bad in others. Your like Stan Fischler going on and on about the NJ Devils. Kinda gets old.

Hope to hear nothing but positives from you next season.

Stan Fischler is employed by the Devils, right?

If it gets old, post your own hype about your own team.

Vensel: I know jack s--t about Towson because I didn't get a chance to see them play at Nationals. So why can't we get some insight -- even hype -- from people like you?

Look back at everything I've ever posted and tell me where I haven't given credit where credit is due. Part of my job is to publicize/market/hype the team, and it's worked out pretty well. But never have I done it at the expense of someone else's reputation or without giving credit where credit is due.

[JLambertUMSL]

Yeah, I'm growing a little bit tired of UMSL's shameless self-promotion, too. They had a great run this year, sure, but they're not the only team that's been to a national championship before (and lost). Give credit where credit is due. People have given you yours.

Fine...if it's so unacceptable to be positive all the time, then I'll be brutally honest again. Something I usually wouldn't dream of sharing.

As soon as I saw the bracket, I fully expected that we would lose to Michigan State in the semifinals. To me, they looked bigger, more well-rounded, more consistent, and tougher than us, up and down the lineup, and I didn't think we were playing very well to begin with. I didn't think we had what it took to beat them.*

Now everyone can be pissed off at me! Fire away! :)

(*- and then I remembered that PJ Tallo is on our team. Aw, damn, there I go again....ha ha...jk!)

[bakerg81]

I thought you were going to stop posting.

[fulton22]

well, worst.comparison.ever. Stan Fischler verbally sucks off the Rangers and Islanders and consistently hates on the Devils at every opportunity. Stan Ficshler is employed by MSG and MSG+, just sayin'.

[JLambertUMSL]

well, worst.comparison.ever. Stan Fischler verbally sucks off the Rangers and Islanders and consistently hates on the Devils at every opportunity. Stan Ficshler is employed by MSG and MSG+, just sayin'.

WAIT NO YOU'RE BIASED TOWARD THE DEVILS LEAVE THE BOARD NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Incidentally, isn't MSG under the same corporate umbrella as the Rangers?)

(PS...I refuse to stop posting.)

[missionhockey33]

As much as I talk about them? I'm not sure exactly what you mean here.

Actually, the toughest games at Nationals were:
1)Lindenwood
2)Long Beach State -- playoff game, trailing in the third period...
3)Florida -- playoff game, tied in the third period...
4)Stony Brook -- great competition, but a round robin game.

The most exciting games were:
1)Long Beach State
2)Stony Brook
3)Florida.

We played the best teams our Season Director allowed us to play. Three regular-season games against Lindenwood (rather than two), a cross-divisional game against Truman State, two games against St. Charles, etc.



I know how strong the competition is in the ECRHA. I've never said otherwise. The implication that I'm ripping on other regions is a bunch of BS. Point out where I've failed to give credit where credit's due.

Regarding traveling to an ECRHA event: we've been trying to do this for years; it never seems to work out. Now that we've been moved to the Athletic Department, maybe it'll happen in '08-09.




Take a look at the post I responded to -- it was the one that suggested that all-star teams should be based on raw numbers. It had NOTHING to do with the actual all-tournament team whatsoever. It was simply a response to a post that I thought was bull.

So I'll be brutally intellectually honest here in wondering how Cash, a goalie who played in three games at Nationals and put up a pedestrian 3.00 GAA and .838 save percentage in two playoff games, could possibly win the tournament's MVG award.




Stan Fischler is employed by the Devils, right?

If it gets old, post your own hype about your own team.

Vensel: I know jack s--t about Towson because I didn't get a chance to see them play at Nationals. So why can't we get some insight -- even hype -- from people like you?

Look back at everything I've ever posted and tell me where I haven't given credit where credit is due. Part of my job is to publicize/market/hype the team, and it's worked out pretty well. But never have I done it at the expense of someone else's reputation or without giving credit where credit is due.

wow i think this is a first legit positive post except for the ending to Vensel lol you put. nah i understand you now just be little more optimistic, than UMSL UMSL UMSL you know but thats your job. hope to see you guys in the east next season.

and fischler at one point did praise and in fact did talk a lot about the devils.
but who cares watever

[Zacharia11]

Its ok, no one likes Vensel at Towson anyways feel free to continue to rip on him.

[RustyPipes27]

Vensel: I know jack s--t about Towson because I didn't get a chance to see them play at Nationals. So why can't we get some insight -- even hype -- from people like you?

Look back at everything I've ever posted and tell me where I haven't given credit where credit is due. Part of my job is to publicize/market/hype the team, and it's worked out pretty well. But never have I done it at the expense of someone else's reputation or without giving credit where credit is due.

That's probably because I see no benefits to me patting myself and my teammates on the back on this message board. I could have rambled about some of the talented players I've gotten to play with here, but I'd rather let other, unbiased observers make comments about Towson.

The only evaluation I've given on my team is that we were outplayed by UCF in the sweet 16 and subsequently lost, and that's because people were jumping all over them for being lucky.

Anyways, enjoy your second-place finish at Nationals. You earned it.

[Ben Lambert]

at least we got there

[Leaferguy]

I won a C South game last night.

[whalercane]

I won a C South game last night.


At Tri-State? If so, who you playing for?

-Ryan

[RustyPipes27]

at least we got there

I wasn't being sarcastic. Finishing second, especially to a team like Lindenwood, is a great accomplishment.

[smiller]

at least we got there

And doing it in your team's first year in DI is a great accomplishment too.

[bakerg81]

And under the enormous pressure of the self generated UMSL hype machine is impressive too.

[Drexel63]

Justin's C South house league win is not impressive

[Leaferguy]

At Tri-State? If so, who you playing for?

-Ryan
It was at Marple Sports Arena. I was filling in for a friend.


Justin's C South house league win is not impressive
It is, and I've put myself on the All-Canada Team for my accomplishments.

[Ben Lambert]

I wasn't being sarcastic. Finishing second, especially to a team like Lindenwood, is a great accomplishment.

Well I am sorry for the previous jerkoff statement then.

[Ben Lambert]

And under the enormous pressure of the self generated UMSL hype machine is impressive too.

Everyone needs a hype-man.

We worked hard all year long and it was no mistake that we beat LU and finished second overall. We have great players coming in for next year, so I plan on watching the team compete from behind the bench in the future.

[JLambertUMSL]

And under the enormous pressure of the self generated UMSL hype machine is impressive too.

Touché.

The benefits outweigh the extra attention and trash talk from the outside.

The hype machine will be more subdued next season as roles within the club evolve and the "hype man" becomes a bigger part of the actual story.

(So maybe next year, PJ will actually have more fun playing for us as the hype ratchets down....)

[missionhockey33]

lambert why don't you guys bring back Zach Stacy he looks like he was a powerful force in the seasons he played. he has another two left

[JLambertUMSL]

lambert why don't you guys bring back Zach Stacy he looks like he was a powerful force in the seasons he played. he has another two left

Yes...Zach might be the most talented player we've ever had. He just doesn't enjoy hockey like he used to. We did try to bring him back this past season. He actually came to a practice in the middle of the year, and looked amazing, despite not having skated since Nationals '07. But he isn't really into it anymore.