Emory

[Jtslick89]

So, I see that the team exists this year (roster and all) but they have not played a game nor have any scheduled games according to NCRHA. What's going on with Emory this year?

[jpalic]

The southeast division is pretty unorganized this season. So far, two tournaments in November have been cancelled because of scheduling conflicts with the rinks that were going to be used. Emory was scheduled to play in the first tournament of November, either the first or second weekend of November, and then in a tournament this coming weekend in GA. All the teams found out yesterday that the tournament was cancelled and moved to February 2008. That means that teams will be playing about 3 or 4 tournaments the month before regionals next spring. It should be interesting.

Overall, I have been very unimpressed with the ability of the league administrators to organize this league so far this year. I hope to see progress as we go along though. Hope this helps.

[rollerhockey8]

That is too bad

I have been very impressed with the WCRHL this season

[William Bourque]

Was this something that the SECRHL was responsible for on their part for poor planning or was it the rinks fault?

[WCRHL]

Thank you rollerhockey8 for your comment!

As for the SECRHL event being postponed, I believe it was a rink that double-booked. Sounds like the SECRHL did their best to solve the problem and get this event rescheduled.

SECRHL League Officials urge you all to contact them directly to voice any concerns you have with this re-schedule, the league in general, or anything that is on your mind. They would also like to urge interested players/parties to get involved with the league, to help it be what you want it to become. Their contact information is available on www.secrhl.org.

[thefelixculpa]

I hate that band

[stopthetrain]

translation- we are not giving back your money. we have spent your money on what we think is best for you. you have paid for a league and we did not deliver. this does not mean you will have a league. rather it means we received your money for the league. if you have any questions or concerns we will be glad to hear them and consider them, but we have spent the money. did i say the money is gone. you will get a revised schedule that will be a complete inconvenience and shorter, but like i said we received your money, we expected to get paid and whether you receive consideration for it or not does not relieve ous of our duty to be paid. if you are unhappy with this state of affairs please see are press agent o.j. simpson.

[catch]

what is emory's last name? is he related to duke? are they not playing because of that party their cousin had 2 years ago during the lacrosse season? what is "ous."

[stopthetrain]

its us you jack ass

[catch]

are you a tyco? my cousins were donkeys not asses. the asses are elephants.

[jpalic]

To clarify my earlier post, I did not mean to say come off as thinking that the league is doing a terrible job (I apologize if I did), but this year they seem to be more inconsistent than in the past two years I have played.

Once a standard has been set, I have come to expect, or maybe take advantage, of that standard and some things were not developing as fast this year as they have been in the past few years. I am not questioning the ability of the league administrators of completing their job, and as a player, not in constant contact with the league, it isn't always obvious what is developing behind the scenes.

[CUDangled]

To clarify my earlier post, I did not mean to say come off as thinking that the league is doing a terrible job (I apologize if I did), but this year they seem to be more inconsistent than in the past two years I have played.


Not to point fingers or place blame...so I won't mention any names/rinks...but one of the SECRHL events that was cancelled this fall due to "double booking" is the same location that this happened 2 years ago. With about the same amount of notice.

Again, not pointing fingers, not taking sides, not doing anything like that...but sometimes events get cancelled/screwed up/whatever for reasons COMPLETELY out of the control of the league, yet they are the ones that emerge with the egg on their face.

Sucks...but thats life.

[Stew6]

Is this a common occurance in other regions (cancelling events due to bad planning)?

Is it common to somehow inexplicably manage to only get ONE team from DII in your region a bid to the largest nationals field in the league's history, even though there were two more very viable candidates?

Is it also common for the league to inform a team about a week and a half before payments for nationals are due that they wont be able to pay for your team to go, even though this was their (apparently unofficial) policy, because they failed to collect money from other teams (but still let them participate ALL YEAR.)? (And we were told that no, we would not recieve a credit for this year... so where did the money go? Was the debt forgiven at our expense, or did it go towards something else???)

Everyone involved in the SECRHL is a decent person (except unnamed hypothetical person who won't sue this web site...) to my knowledge, but why all the screw ups?

[CUDangled]

Not trying to stir the pot, but just looking at things from another perspective. I have been around college inline for many years and from my experience I can tell you two things. #1 - the easy target is not always the right target #2 - Bashing a league on a public forum that is trying to go, improve its reputation and develop a higher level of legitimacy is not really the best thing to do. We aren't on the old NCRHA board (private) where all the users were members of the league.


Is this a common occurance in other regions (cancelling events due to bad planning)?

If the RINK double books a weekend, how is that the league's fault?



Is it common to somehow inexplicably manage to only get ONE team from DII in your region a bid to the largest nationals field in the league's history, even though there were two more very viable candidates?

Again, not trying to stir the pot, but this statement suggests that you have limited exposure to the level of play in the other regions and the process in which teams are selected for Nats. Also, I thought Elon and Emory got bids last year? Amirite?



Is it also common for the league to inform a team about a week and a half before payments for nationals are due that they wont be able to pay for your team to go, even though this was their (apparently unofficial) policy, because they failed to collect money from other teams (but still let them participate ALL YEAR.)?

I have no idea what you are talking about...so I can't comment.

[jpalic]

Last year, only Emory got a bid to nationals for division II. It was unfortunate that it happened that way for the southeast but I know that some teams, my team included (Elon), kinda choked in the end. We hope to be back this year.

[Stew6]

let me first say that I am no longer affiliated with any team, i have graduated and moved back to boston, where they don't know about this "Roller" hockey.

Secondly,
1) I didn't say it was the league's fault, i was asking a general question.

2) I'm asking what the deal with the money was. I know some teams were upset about how it was handled last year. I think it is now a written rule that the team that wins the southeast in each division, has its nationals entry fee paid by the league, but again i am no longer a part of emory or roller hockey, so i don't know if that went through. Personally, i am pretty steamed because we thought our budget was all set for the year, only to hear about this at the very last minute. I Personally cut the 750 dollar check. That is why this issue stung me like it did, and i think that it goes to the heart of the league's method of organization. Its not meant to be personal, just like it was not meant to be personal when they informed me that suddenly we owe 750 dollars more than we thought we did.

3) No, Emory was the only team from southest division II to recieve a bid. However, teams which we beat by one goal each to win the region (Elon and Miami) did not recieve bids. In 2005 we had emory and miami at nationals from the southeast, and elon was there for their conference at the time. in 2006, Elon and Emory came. Last year, down to one DII bid. DI got a lot of teams in though.

It just doesn't seem right to me, and I don't know if it was the league's fault directly, but I feel they had to be involved somehow...

And as for the level of play between divisions... thats one more reason to send a couple teams from the southeast. To send a million from the east, and 1 from the southeast would mean that you have judged us as inferior. We have all had this conversation before though...

[CUDangled]

Hmmm....I thought for sure Elon got a bid last year. Did they get a bid and turn it down?

[jpalic]

I am absolutely positive that Elon did not get a bid to nationals in the spring of 2007. We may have been given alternate status but that is the most. If we got a bid, we would've been in St. Louis.

We played in the Raleigh nationals in 2006 and many previous years before that. If you're wondering what happened last year, there is a thread somewhere in the forums that explains our downfall.

[Stew6]

Miami was an alternate, i don't think Elon even got alternate status... but i could be wrong. Miami wasn't even the first alternate... as ship got in off the list before them.
Rumor was that the SECRHL rep didn't go to the meeting where the bids for nationals were decided, but instead sent a d1 school's rep, and that is why we had so many d1 schools and so few d2 schools. This could also explain why Miami got onto the list and not elon (Although its a tough call to decide who had the better year), because in all likelyhood the d1 rep who went was from the FLA area. That is why i brought it up, because it seems to one of a chain of misteps in the league...

BTW, i don't really see how Elon had that bad of a cold streak. You guys lost to red hot miami and millersville on that crappy icecourt in savannah, where nobody plays well ... ever. We did beat you guys twice in regionals, but the second game was very close...

And furthermore, you guys beat NC STATE earlier in the year... the D1 regional champ. Maybe they had an off day, but seems like if people can put the millersville game up as evidence against you, they should have thought about the NC State game as evidence that you can beat some pretty damn good teams.

[CSteamer]

I love the ice court in Savannah. But the Savannah rink is the one who doubled book that even in November. It was not the SECRHL's fault. I'm pretty sure it was completely out of their hands as I talked to a high ranking secrhl official and he was very dissapointed as the tournament included many teams from florida actually goin to a tournament somewhere outside the state of florida.

[William Bourque]

Nothing towards the teams or SECRHL but that rink may be the worst rink Shippensburg has ever played on...it was a positive experience going down to the SECRHL, but the rink itself wasn't up to the standard that we have learned to expect. Not only was the rink not sport court, there was nothing close to locker rooms , and if it wasn't for some nice Elon fans and some awesome Elon players, the entire weekend would have seem so much worst...

[Stew6]

Nothing towards the teams or SECRHL but that rink may be the worst rink Shippensburg has ever played on...it was a positive experience going down to the SECRHL, but the rink itself wasn't up to the standard that we have learned to expect. Not only was the rink not sport court, there was nothing close to locker rooms , and if it wasn't for some nice Elon fans and some awesome Elon players, the entire weekend would have seem so much worst...

Haha... yeah sorry about that. I do remember we were grumbling about it amongst ourselves: "Must suck to drive all the way down here to play on this rink." But at least you won right? Nightlife is good, but if you drive all the way down there i'm sure you actually want to win the games not play on no sleep and a hangover.

You've seen the NC facility. You NE guys should get in on that if anyone comes down again. SC is sportcourt, and a nice facility (has a skatepark in the building, good lighting.) but again there is no locker room, and the glass is floor to ceiling (which i hate)

[William Bourque]

It wasn't "that" bad of a rink. I remember getting dressed using the rolled up turf in the corner as a bench. North Carolina isn't that far at all, however the weekends never work themselves out. If it was at all possible, we would be down there playing more games as soon as possible.

[WCHA]

After what I saw this weekend I'm sure Emory will be happy to be getting back the SE best player in d2 next semester....
Did they lose anyone else from last year's team because they looked a lot worse than last year?
Elon seems to have improved from last year as well, same as Western Carolina.

[Stew6]

Who are they getting back?

They lost Billy Gableman and Me, which is half their defensemen. We also were half the powerplay.

They also were without McCarty, who is going to be a big part of their team this year.

They also have some young players in net this year, so goaltending will only get better.

And this was their first weekend of play, while other teams have settled into their season a lot more.

Yeah, its a very different team this year, but their weekend was not bad all things considered.

[William Bourque]

I can't say i was at all surprised about the Elon/Emory score...looking at their roster i just assumed they will struggle. Getting blown out by a up and down Elon team could be the signs of a rough season. It was the first weekend they played and rosters are not set at this point. Would be interesting to see if their roster changes at the second semester. Who is coming back in the second semester?

[UL-Lafayette]

... I PLAY FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUSIANA-LAFAYETTE RAGIN CAJUNS ... WE ARE IN DIV-2 OF THE SCHL ... AND ARE CURRENTLY 10-0-0 WITH 152 GOALS FOR AND 6 GOALS AGAINST...

... SOMEBODYS MOM ON LINDENWOODS GOLD B TEAM RECENTLY ORDERED SOME HOCKEY GEAR FROM OUR LOCAL HOCKEY SHOP (www.hockeyx.com (http://www.hockeyx.com/)) IN LAFAYETTE,LOUISIANA ... SHE SAID SHE WAS FROM DENTON,TEXAS AND WAS RECENTLY IN ATTENDANCE AT THE SCHL GAMES IN DENTON DURING NOVEMBER 11TH AND 12TH ... SHE SPOKE VERY HIGHLY OF OUR TEAM, AND SAID SHE HAD A GREAT TIME WATCHING US DOMINATE OUR OPPONENTS ...

... UNFORTUNATLY, OUR TEAMS HASNT FACED VERY GOOD COMPETITION PLAYING IN THE SCHL'S DIV-2 AND HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SET UP SOME GAMES WITH THE BEST TEAMS IN DIV-1 OF THE SCHL TO HELP OUR TEAM GET BETTER ... MY BUDDY THAT PLAYS ON NORTH TEXAS' TEAM GOT IN TOUCH WITH ME RECENTLY AND TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE JUST FORMED A COLLEGE HOCKEY TOURNAMENT (ANY COLLEGE TEAM IS ENCOURGAED TO COME PLAY) SOMETIME DURING THE 1ST WEEK OF JANUARY ... THEN HE WENT ON TO SAY THAT THERE IS A GREAT CHANCE THAT LINDENWOODS GOLD B TEAM WOULD BE ATTENDING ...????

... CAN ANYONE CONFIRM IF THIS IS TRUE/FALSE ??????

... WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A GREAT TEAM IN LINDENWOOD COME DOWN TO TEXAS AND TAKE ON THE 4 BEST TEAMS THE SCHL HAS TO OFFER ...

... THE FOLLOWING TEAMS WILL BE ATTENDING THIS TOURNAMENT SO FAR ... SCHL'S DIV-1 #1 NORTH TEXAS .. SCHL'S DIV-1 #2 TEXAS LONGHORNS .. SCHL'S DIV-2 #1 LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE .. AND SCHL'S DIV-2 #2 SAM HOUSTON STATE ...

... THE GOALS OF THIS TOURNAMENT IS TO BRING AS MANY GOOD, COMPETITIVE TEAMS AS POSSIBLE DOWN TO TEXAS AND PROVIDE THE BEST POSSIBLE COMPETITON IN PREPARATION FOR THE UPCOMING NCRHA REGIONAL/NATIONALS ...

... IF ANY TEAMS OUT THERE ARE INTERESTED IN COMING PLAY IN THIS TOURNAMENT PLEASE EMAIL ME AT [email protected] ([email protected]) ...

... THIS TOURNAMENT WILL BE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE, AND WILL BE PRICELESS PREPARATION FOR UPCOMING REGIONALS AND NATIONALS ...

... I REALLY HOPE THAT LINDENWOOD WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, AND HOPE SOME OTHER TEAMS WILL BE ABLE TO AS WELL!

LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN ...

[CUDangled]

Miami was an alternate, i don't think Elon even got alternate status... but i could be wrong. Miami wasn't even the first alternate... as ship got in off the list before them.
Rumor was that the SECRHL rep didn't go to the meeting where the bids for nationals were decided, but instead sent a d1 school's rep, and that is why we had so many d1 schools and so few d2 schools. This could also explain why Miami got onto the list and not elon (Although its a tough call to decide who had the better year), because in all likelyhood the d1 rep who went was from the FLA area. That is why i brought it up, because it seems to one of a chain of misteps in the league...


This story has been beat to death, over and over...

But take it from someone who KNOWS what happened, rather than someone who only speculates what happened. An SECRHL rep WAS in the national bids meeting. The rep from each division presents a team from their respective division to be considered for the next bid and then the committee votes. Your regions rep can plead your case until he is blue in the face, but if the rest of the committee doesn't agree...you will not get the votes. Reputation goes a long way, both for and against you. The SECRHL has consistently had good (argueably great) DI teams UF, UCF and NC State. However, when compared to other regions DII schools, the SECRHL is not known for consistent powerhouses. Just look at the DII standings from this year versus last year. So when the 2nd or 3rd DII selection is put on the table, they have a so-so record and they did not fair well in cross-regional play, the other regions don't have much to go by when they judge you. In your opinion this may suck...but don't hate the people following the system, hate the system. And if that is your opinion of the system, step up to suggest a positive resolution for the future, rather than complaining about the past. However, at the end of the day, I am sure you will be met with the same response..."Win more games and it won't be an issue".

This wasn't meant to be rude, or disrespectful, but seriously, the complaints about last year's selections have gone on long enough. They come from just 1-2 teams in the SECRHL and from the "informed" point of view, they are completely baseless. :rolleyes:

[Stew6]

06'-07' Regular season results:

Shippensburg 6-6-4 (went to nationals)
Elon 14-4-1 (did not go to nationals)

Clearly it is not just a matter of "Winning more games". Elon didn't have a "so so" record.

We have all played the "transitive property" of hockey to compair teams and inevitably prove that nearly every team in DII is better than Stony Brook. So when you say "well millersville beat elon and shipp beat millersville, so every team in the east must be better than elon, and thus elon can't go to nationals until all teams form the east do", this may seem valid to you.

But, we killed Millersville, who tied Stony Brook, and Elon beat us last season, which means, according to the logic of everyone who points to comparisons based on interleague play to justify nationals bids, that Elon is better than Stony Brook.

If you are going to be subjective and say "well the east is better than the southeast" then you can't ignore Miami's mostly d1 schedule, and Elon's victory over NC State, and the incredibly close playoff we had last year in the southeast. So what is the next thing everyone says "Its your record", or "Just win more games", which is stupid if you look at Elon.

Finally, everyone likes to post their divisions record at nationals over the years to show their division's superiority. Well frankly, every year is a new year, so I don't see how this makes sense at all. But if you must look at nationals records, look at last year where two east teams combined to win one game in nine contests.

[catch]

let me throw in the same people who kept elon out of nationals voted to put illinois in the rose bowl and kansas in the orange bowl (both bcs games) and put mizzou (who beat them both) in the cotton bowl. moreover i'm disturbed by the fact that the NFL is talking about eliminating its playoff format and instead going with a ranking system. at the end of the year there will be a meeting and the comittee will select 12 teams. if they would employ this now the chiefs might still be in the race, however, larry johnson still wouldn't play, but i digress. i have also heard that boxing is going the other direction and since fights shouldn't be determined by voting, the match goes on until someone goes out cold. horse racing is talking about having a new twist, where the horses pull up at the top of the stretch and the fans vote on who they think should have one. baseball games will be ended in the top of the 7th with a harry carry tribute and then fans will vote on whether the leading team has the bullpen to finish it off. this is somewhat like our electoral college determines who wins the presidency after the media has eliminated all of the likeable candidates and predetermined the winner. (incidentally i'm for edwards and quite bitter about the whole hitlary thing) Finally, Elon still didn't make nationals in 2006 and with all due respect i am not certain where elon is located, who is on the team, nor any other details, but i just felt it was time to ramble on uselessly about something for which i lack any passion, however, i am emphatic about my point and don't want to be misconstrued as being anti-elon or anything else. i finally got this off my chest.

[jpalic]

with all due respect i am not certain where elon is located, who is on the team, nor any other details, but i just felt it was time to ramble on uselessly about something for which i lack any passion

Elon is located in Elon, NC about an hour from the city of Raleigh where the Carolina Hurricanes play. Raleigh is also the home of NC State and their inline hockey team.

It is unfortunate that some people do not take the time to do some simple research to find out about schools and teams. With the infinite amount of information available to us, it is not hard to Google Elon University or just simply, Elon. It is also disappointing to have someone take the time to actually tell us they could care less about a situation that others truly care to talk about. While the Southeast division does not have teams that finish in the Elite 8 at nationals every year, for many consecutive seasons before last years national tournament, Elon was there and played well. I know that no one will ever know where every team is from, but you should have a general idea. It is these examples of ignorance that drive the teams in the Southeast to succeed and be recognized on the national level, to put us on the map, and to demand respect from other schools and players in the future.

Catch, hopefully you read this, will maybe even check a map, and learn something tonight.

[Army Defense]

It is unfortunate that some people do not take the time to do some simple research to find out about schools and teams. With the infinite amount of information available to us, it is not hard to Google Elon University or just simply, Elon. It is also disappointing to have someone take the time to actually tell us they could care less about a situation that others truly care to talk about. While the Southeast division does not have teams that finish in the Elite 8 at nationals every year, for many consecutive seasons before last years national tournament, Elon was there and played well. It is these examples of ignorance that drive the teams in the Southeast to succeed and be recognized on the national level, to put us on the map, and to demand respect from other schools and players in the future.
Catch, hopefully you read this, will maybe even check a map, and learn something tonight.

The same think happens to Army it seems every weekend. Everytime we play someone has to ask where "Army College" is.. and to think, all our varsity teams play DI its amazing there are people who dont know what the US military academy is

[catch]

jpalic - my post was meant purely out of sarcasm and not disrepsect to the southeast nor elon, but rather a mere idiom for the sake of entertainment in retort to what i was reading. you know the point of my post was to comment on the absurdity of arbitrary selection processes, and i wasnt attempting to denigrate elon, but rather used as being left irrelevantly by the fact of being 14-4 and not making nationals. i accept your apology for publically calling me ignorant and assume it is a mere elonic mishap. And for god sake everybody knows army is in Cuba.

[jpalic]

jpalic - my post was meant purely out of sarcasm and not disrepsect to the southeast nor elon

Catch, I understand your point, you just hit a nerve with me with your second to last post because I feel like many people do not give the southeast the respect we deserve. If one more person knows where Elon is because of what you said earlier, then my mission has been accomplished.

[catch]

isn't it in Mew Mexico? Incidentally, I donned a degree from Washington University and have spent a lifetime explaining to people that it is St. Louis. A lot of people have asked me about living in the northwest and huskies football.

[train]

let me throw in the same people who kept elon out of nationals voted to put illinois in the rose bowl and kansas in the orange bowl (both bcs games) and put mizzou (who beat them both) in the cotton bowl. moreover i'm disturbed by the fact that the NFL is talking about eliminating its playoff format and instead going with a ranking system. at the end of the year there will be a meeting and the comittee will select 12 teams. if they would employ this now the chiefs might still be in the race, however, larry johnson still wouldn't play, but i digress. i have also heard that boxing is going the other direction and since fights shouldn't be determined by voting, the match goes on until someone goes out cold. horse racing is talking about having a new twist, where the horses pull up at the top of the stretch and the fans vote on who they think should have one. baseball games will be ended in the top of the 7th with a harry carry tribute and then fans will vote on whether the leading team has the bullpen to finish it off. this is somewhat like our electoral college determines who wins the presidency after the media has eliminated all of the likeable candidates and predetermined the winner. (incidentally i'm for edwards and quite bitter about the whole hitlary thing) Finally, Elon still didn't make nationals in 2006 and with all due respect i am not certain where elon is located, who is on the team, nor any other details, but i just felt it was time to ramble on uselessly about something for which i lack any passion, however, i am emphatic about my point and don't want to be misconstrued as being anti-elon or anything else. i finally got this off my chest.

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[train]

isn't it in Mew Mexico? Incidentally, I donned a degree from Washington University and have spent a lifetime explaining to people that it is St. Louis. A lot of people have asked me about living in the northwest and huskies football.

how was the coffee up there? i've heard it's pretty good

[William Bourque]

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.



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[stopthetrain]

the lionel has run off course. the caboose has come lose as the cunductor has been hitting the bottle again. derail yourself train

[catch]

unfortunately i couldn't get the brew in washington because i wasn't there. however, when given the opportunity to drink that sort of coffee i have enjoyed the same. w/ that said not only was my post idiotic and rambling, but it was rude, harsh and cruel. it was designed to mean nothing other than a bunch of nonsensical jibberish and I hope to be dumber for having said it as well. Now put on your engineers hat train and stay out of the engine car while enjoying your 21st birthday. just remember anyone who misses practice on the 6th of december 2007 will hereinafter be rupauls waterboy. didn't you say something about being out that night?

[madfred]

I'd like to confirm what the gentlemen from burlington northern said. I don't understand why people like catch come on here and begin some god awful rambling speech, which takes me 45 minutes to sit down, interpret and digest and then I have to walk away wondering why they posted it, what they meant and whether or not their long term goal is to just write some stupid rambling trilogy where they make 3 posts in succession that mean nothing, but take up a lot of space. Please beware catch was caught by the train and mulled over. there will be no more catch.

[WCHA]

Who are they getting back?

They lost Billy Gableman and Me, which is half their defensemen. We also were half the powerplay.

They also were without McCarty, who is going to be a big part of their team this year.

They also have some young players in net this year, so goaltending will only get better.

And this was their first weekend of play, while other teams have settled into their season a lot more.

Yeah, its a very different team this year, but their weekend was not bad all things considered.

From what I hear Billy Gabelman and Brandt Jewell are doing graduate work starting in January which would be ridiculous because Emory would go from a middle of the pack team in the SECRHL to prob one of the top 5 teams in all of D2...but that is just my opinion

[train]

unfortunately i couldn't get the brew in washington because i wasn't there. however, when given the opportunity to drink that sort of coffee i have enjoyed the same. w/ that said not only was my post idiotic and rambling, but it was rude, harsh and cruel. it was designed to mean nothing other than a bunch of nonsensical jibberish and I hope to be dumber for having said it as well. Now put on your engineers hat train and stay out of the engine car while enjoying your 21st birthday. just remember anyone who misses practice on the 6th of december 2007 will hereinafter be rupauls waterboy. didn't you say something about being out that night?

well since i went to practice on my birthday last year, i think i should be able to celebrate this year. i still might be there though

[catch]

you know it really irks me when all of these people from the southeast try to turn a post about the se conference into a discussion about the southeast, i try to change it into a bunch of nonsense and they go right back to the point. with all due respect to emory and elon i would love to see emory regain its strength and be in nationals giving us an opportunity to exact revenge upon emory. additionally, it seems to me that the se got screwed in births at nationals and emory faired pretty well particularly in round robin.

mr. train you need not be at practice on your 21st birthday unless you hope to join in the coaching staff in beers at the conclusion thereof. in which case you would need to let me know before i depart for practice so i may garner appropriate beverages. incidentally, the budweiser fudge keeps in back has a 90's born on date. the true celebration comes only after the cup is hoisted by the white team defeating the dark team after a hard fought game. for all of those unaware of what i am talking about this has nothing to do with race.

[Mongoose15]

If your bringing the beers ill drive back down there tomorrow. The skateland is a little easier to find my way out of after a long night of pong then your house was. fudge will give you those buds for an "affordable" price though

[catch]

the beers will be present and the mongoose is always welcome to join in hoisting the skateland cup. unfortunately, it is presently sleeting outside. now the beers for cash that were purchased for $5 a six pack and are available for various prices depending on when you ask, who you are, and how desperate the seller would be to get rid of them, they come with accompanying free gloves. however it is $60 for the left glove, the right one will be thrown in.