Which NCRHA Region Is The Strongest?

[HockeyRefGuy]

How would you rank the regions of the NCRHA?

The regions include: ECRHA, GPCIHL, MCRHL, RMCRHA, SECRHL, SCHL, WCRHL,

My order would be:

MCRHL
SECRHL
ECRHA
WCRHL
GPCIHL
SCHL
RMCRHA

[Drexel63]

here we go again...

[HockeyRefGuy]

Come on Bill, you have been playing in th league since 19??, you don't have an opinion? I know this thread has been posted before but there seems to be strong opinions as to which region is not the strongest.

[William Bourque]

Anyone who knows me understands my love for pointless statistics...but anyways...Everything that i am about to post is based off the past 4 national championship tournaments...take this information with a grain of salt or for 100% fact...The numbers are based on teams W/L at the national tournament each year. Additionally, games against teams from the same region are not counted in these numbers as it doesn't really have any effect on a regions win percentage and would only help the larger regions overall.

Overall: (DI,DII,DIII)

1 - Great Plains - (.564)
2 - Eastern - (.532)
3 - South East - (.513)
4 - Western - (.500)
5 - Midwest - (.468)
6 - Southwest - (.371)
7 - Rockies - (.267)

Division I:

1- Southeast - (.586)
2 - Great Plains - (.566)
3 - Eastern - (.534)
4 - Midwest - (.487)
5 - Western - (.461)
6 - Southwest - (.375)
7 - Rockies - (.267)


Division II:

1 - Eastern - (.594)
2 - Western - (.542)
3 - Great Plains - (.519)
4 - Southwest - (.368)
5 - Midwest - (.367)
6 - Southeast - (.318)



After posting all this i realized i never updated this information after this past season national championship. If anyone is interested, i will update it and then post again...


So these are the numbers from the 2003,2004,2005,2006 NCT's

[The Stiff]

At least your analysis is based on something concrete. Yes, please update with last year's championship information. It's interesting that the HockeyRef has the Midwest as No. 1 while you have it at No. 5. HockeyRef, tell us why Midwest is No. 1.

[William Bourque]

I will attempt to get the update finish sometime this afternoon between trips to the bathroom to throw up...if i didn't have a computer like 3 inches from the end of my bed...the last two days would have sucked

[William Bourque]

I went back and did DI and DII for the past five years...i decided to toss out DIII because those teams aren't in the same class as the four year college's and have a significant advantage over other teams....

I won't spend too much time dwelling on that, and so this is what i'll throw out there...

Overall Region Strength (Division I and Division II):

#1 - Eastern - 129 wins, 96 losses, 22 ties - .567 %
#2 - Great Plains - 77 wins, 61 losses, 7 ties - .555 %
#3 - Southeast - 67 wins, 66 losses, 9 ties - .504 %
#4 - Midwest - 58 wins, 60 losses, 3 ties - .492%
#5 - Western - 59 wins, 63 losses, 7 ties - .484%
#6 - Southwest - 21 wins, 49 losses, 8 ties - .321 %
#7 - Rockies - 7 wins, 25 losses, 6 ties - .263 %


Division I:

#1 - Great Plains - (38-26-2) - .591%
#2 - Southeast - (56-44-5) - .557%
#3 - Eastern - (63-51-10) - .548%
#4 - Midwest - (53-47-2) - .529%
#5 - Western - (30-38-1) - .442%
#6 - Southwest - (10-26-4) - .300%
#7 - Rockies - (7-25-6) - .263%

Division II:

#1 - Eastern - (66-45-12) - .585%
#2 - Western - (29-25-6) - .533%
#3 - Great Plains - (39-35-5) - .525%
#4 - Southeast - (11-22-4) - .351%
#5 - Southwest - (11-23-4) - .342%
#6 - Midwest - (5-13-1) - .289%


Well there you have it...

Additionally,

National Championships:
Great Plains - 6
Eastern - 3
Western - 2

[HockeyRefGuy]

I believe this year top to bottom the Mid West is the toughest region and that includes all divisions. The beauty of past stats in college sports is that they don't matter. For example, I played on two final four teams several years ago in the old CRHL. That team does not exist any more. So that team's record are in Bill's stats. I do not, nor will I ever disagree with stats though, my formula is all stats. My point is that the past years in college sports stats are not important. I will say my list for strength of regions is not based on anything concrete, like stats, but based my 25 years in the sport as a player, coach and a referee. When I look at rosters, schedules and brand of hockey in all the regions I believe the Mid West is the best.

[Drexel63]

It was 1999, and I was only 17 at the time... I'm not THAT old.. The kids I am coaching now were only in 4th and 5th grade... excuse me a moment while I go vomit.



OK, twist my arm... in D2, I'd have to say my East is the strongest, and deepest, with the GP running a close second and the West an even closer third... Fourth can go to the MW, why not... In D1, ugh... I didn't expect that number from the SE Bourque just put up. Until I saw FIU this past Nats, I had no idea.. I'm going to go with GP in front (for obvious LUreasons) followed by the SE, MW, and East in a tie...

As for D3, well they will all be ineligible to play before this post is archived into a recycle bin, so who cares... just kidding, seriously, just kidding... I don't have an opinion on D3 hockey because I've only ever seen 2 teams play it...

Sidenote, I would not care to debate any of this... When I started college, RIT, PSU, and MSU were the national powerhouses ... If you would like I could go geriatric on all of you and just claim that the CRHL has absolute superiority :)

Can CRHL come back? Then Burke and Tamburino would get to keep playing and Harrell and I could come out of retirement...

4 MORE YEARS!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!!

[dan sangiorgio]

in terms of this season the midwest has good depth if you listed each regions top 5 teams i think there 5 would very strong. i think the problem is that there number 1 and 2 teams won't be able to beat some of the other regions top 2 teams.

[HockeyRefGuy]

I believe their top two teams are Ohio State and Michigan State. Do you agree? I think one if not both will be in the final four at the end of the year.

[Patn Lawton]

I am going to come out and say I don't think the depth in ECRHA DII is as strong as it has been in years past. Partially because the hair gel teams moved up, and partially just because it just flat out seems to me that in past years the teams overall have been stronger. I may change my mind on that as the season progresses though and teams develop.

[Haggy187]

Listen. All stats aside, if Tom Hagg was a region, it would be the strongest. Given the fact that TomHagg is in fact not a NCRHA region, its safe to say that ECRHA is the strongest because T.Hagg is IN that region...I rest my case.

someone needed to say what everyone was already thinking

[HockeyRefGuy]

Tom were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that? :D

[Haggy187]

you are correct.

[BLowe7]

Tom were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that? :D


That's basically all he does..not score goals, but look in mirrors

[Patn Lawton]

i miss the days when myself, justin brennan, and shippensburg ruins every discussion

[William Bourque]

i miss the days when myself, justin brennan, and shippensburg ruins every discussion


all that we are missing right now is Brennan, he needs to stop doing work and focus on what we do best...

Hagg, you're an idiot

[Leaferguy]

I would honestly say that because I just had two four-cheese Lean Pockets for dinner that the East is the strongest in DII and the GP is the best in DI. My opinion won't change until Tommy Hagg says it does.

[catch]

Stop the debate!!!!! This is like asking Hillary Clinton who are you voting for? Despite the fact that we would hope she would end her delusional belief that the 90's were to be relived and not set out as some 90's show or 60 something and say John Edwards, we are destined to the fact that she would vote herself into the big house. Likewise, if you ask a Broncos fan is your team the best they would say of course, despite the fact that they have one 3 times on the last play of the game and lost the other 4. Now the honest folk are in St. Louis and Miami were they to acknowledge they are awful, but after just a draft and a few breaks they would convince you they could comptete. (Well at least the Rams would say this) The fact is Nationals determines who is the best, the polls are meaningless, and yes while I believe the Great Plains is best, I may or may not be wrong. Spend your time on arguing more meaningful points like why is oklahoma ranked ahead of Kansas, when they lost to colorado and Kansas beat them. Incidentally I hate Kansas. Yes this is rambling jibberish, but I am sickened by the discourse over the South being best when Emory gives me a case of the gout. Incidentally, Boston College is overrated, LSU is better, and yes in honor of Mr. Lambert Kentucky was overrated, but the Kentucky Derby beats the --ap out of Fat Tuesday and everybody likes the underdog, except Hollywood.

[KillinAintShe]

Hagg is so good he took his team all the way to the finals last year and beat Stonybrook by himself. Only after he predicted it would happen though.

[hockeyfan1984]

Catch, you know you really didn't say anything of substance. I would like to point out that you are right about the college football rankings in regards to Oklahoma and Kansas. If you think the BCS is wrong you should look at the BS rankings on my site listed below, Oklahoma is not ranked above Kansas.

[JLambertUMSL]

How would you rank the regions of the NCRHA?

The regions include: ECRHA, GPCIHL, MCRHL, RMCRHA, SECRHL, SCHL, WCRHL,

My order would be:

MCRHL
SECRHL
ECRHA
WCRHL
GPCIHL
SCHL
RMCRHA

This must be a joke.

[JLambertUMSL]

I went back and did DI and DII for the past five years...i decided to toss out DIII because those teams aren't in the same class as the four year college's and have a significant advantage over other teams....

Or, because it would put Great Plains way over the top. But you can say it like that instead.

[MBurke]

Or, because it would put Great Plains way over the top. But you can say it like that instead.

I think a better reason is that only 3 regions regularly supply teams for that comparison. Not to mention that the only consistent teams that have even been around for the duration of that comparison would be St. Charles, Meramec and Suffolk.

When's the last time Valencia played in an NCT?

[William Bourque]

Or, because it would put Great Plains way over the top. But you can say it like that instead.


Actually, go ahead and accuse me of that...

You couldn't be more far from the truth...

The first list i gave you had DIII rankings on it...adding this year's DIII rankings just involved to much effort because i poorly designed my original list...

[William Bourque]

Stop the debate!!!!! This is like asking Hillary Clinton who are you voting for? Despite the fact that we would hope she would end her delusional belief that the 90's were to be relived and not set out as some 90's show or 60 something and say John Edwards, we are destined to the fact that she would vote herself into the big house. Likewise, if you ask a Broncos fan is your team the best they would say of course, despite the fact that they have one 3 times on the last play of the game and lost the other 4. Now the honest folk are in St. Louis and Miami were they to acknowledge they are awful, but after just a draft and a few breaks they would convince you they could comptete. (Well at least the Rams would say this) The fact is Nationals determines who is the best, the polls are meaningless, and yes while I believe the Great Plains is best, I may or may not be wrong. Spend your time on arguing more meaningful points like why is oklahoma ranked ahead of Kansas, when they lost to colorado and Kansas beat them. Incidentally I hate Kansas. Yes this is rambling jibberish, but I am sickened by the discourse over the South being best when Emory gives me a case of the gout. Incidentally, Boston College is overrated, LSU is better, and yes in honor of Mr. Lambert Kentucky was overrated, but the Kentucky Derby beats the --ap out of Fat Tuesday and everybody likes the underdog, except Hollywood.



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