Lindenwood 2008

[alex]

Disclaimer: I'm NOT saying Lindenwood sucks.


Is it just me or does Lindenwood look like much less deep of a team than they were last year? This might have been expected with their big losses (Thompson, Fudge, Marchand, Thiefault, Coleman, Viamontes) but I thought they'd have more big pickups than they do.

I'm not saying they're set to get beat this year (finally) but they're definitely not as deep as before. Any teams think they can challenge?

[William Bourque]

UMSL looks pretty deep this year...i can't wait for those two teams to meet

[DGlass]

I am sure they still have quite a bit of talent, but it is very possible that they are experiencing a changing of the guards - as the veterans graduate and move on, will the incoming freshman be able to hold the program together?

While they are still the front-runner, hopefully this is the year that other programs step up and can steal a few games from them.

Additionally, I feel that every year there are going to be more and more highly talented players entering the college ranks. They can't all go to LU; we will have to wait and see where this large influx of talent goes.

[Patn Lawton]

What about all the guys from their B teams? If these other guys that graduated have been around forever, there must be a lot of B team guys moving up with a lot of talent.

[alex]

[QUOTE=DGlass;39271]
While they are still the front-runner, hopefully this is the year that other programs step up and can steal a few games from them.
QUOTE]

Yeah, that's all I'm saying. I'm sure they will still win it all but maybe it'll be a tougher road this year. UMSL and them should be interesting.

[DGlass]

Yeah, their former B team guys could very well get it done.

All I'm saying is that every other club in the league has had an off-year that can largely be attributed to the loss of a key senior (or five). For most clubs, an off-year means struggling to make the playoffs. An off-year for Lindenwood might just mean a few losses, but that could open the door for another well-balanced team to take advantage at the right time.

[dan sangiorgio]

i honestly i think that there team was just overkill last year it may be a long time till you see a college hockey team that good again. they still have a top 8 that is best in the league and top goaltending they just aren't as deep this year. although they took a small step back from last year i can only think of 3 programs who could have a shot at beating them.

[alex]

i honestly i think that there team was just overkill last year it may be a long time till you see a college hockey team that good again. they still have a top 8 that is best in the league and top goaltending they just aren't as deep this year. although they took a small step back from last year i can only think of 3 programs who could have a shot at beating them.


What 3 teams do you think have a shot?

[dan sangiorgio]

stoney brooke and umsl and whichever team is better out of eastern michigan or michigan state. if you include dII/D3 teams i am sure st charles broward and neumann would also have ashot but as far as for the div 1 national title goes its probably a 3 or 4 horse race this year.

[blocparty]

they lost some key players, but there 4th line players are better then 80% of teams 1st lines.
johnn mac is there now, and he will score a lot, and micheal inouye from california will start to play in the 2nd semester due to an injury, he's also an awesome goal scorer

i dont see anyone else winning...

[jwatson18]

stoney brooke and umsl and whichever team is better out of eastern michigan or michigan state. if you include dII/D3 teams i am sure st charles broward and neumann would also have ashot but as far as for the div 1 national title goes its probably a 3 or 4 horse race this year.

There is no race this year, just as there has not been a race for the division I title the last few years. Stoney brooke does not have a snow cones chance in hell at competing with Lindenwood. They had a good showing last year, but Lindenwood is in a league of their own. The only team that stands a legitimate chance against lindenwood is UMSL. Mostly because of their recent pickups and their new coach. As far as St. Charles goes, every year someone says st. charles has a chance to beat lindenwood, and everywhere they get dominated; this year is no different. While I agree that Lindenwood isnt as strong as they have been in the past, they are still a far better team then any other in the country, regardless of division.

[alex]

There is no race this year, just as there has not been a race for the division I title the last few years. Stoney brooke does not have a snow cones chance in hell at competing with Lindenwood. They had a good showing last year, but Lindenwood is in a league of their own. The only team that stands a legitimate chance against lindenwood is UMSL. Mostly because of their recent pickups and their new coach. As far as St. Charles goes, every year someone says st. charles has a chance to beat lindenwood, and everywhere they get dominated; this year is no different. While I agree that Lindenwood isnt as strong as they have been in the past, they are still a far better team then any other in the country, regardless of division.


Didn't St. Charles lose twice to Lindenwood by 1 last year?

[catch]

Never fear Belichick is coming to take the helm. Fudge will be back in the second semester. However, Middle Tennessee State is on the rise and ready to burn the Linde. Reggie Bush's parents will be making a donation so the school doesn't lose any of its base and I hear several Blues players will be in disguise. P.S. Lindenwood is also the world champ of skeet shooting and I hear **** Cheney has a scholarship starting next year. They will be launching attorneys as targets for the constipated v.p.

[DGlass]

I'm pretty sure no one is outright saying that LU will lose. The consensus seems to be that Lindenwood is still the best around, but they have certainly lost a few key players and that might allow other teams to take advantage of a few games here and there.

[SBU39]

Dear, dan sangiorgio and jwatson18

before we go and make assumptions for the year, can you please do me one favor and learn to spell Stony Brook...it doesnt reflect well on you guys when ur talkin about us like u know who we are and u cant spell the name of our school

thank you
nick gullo #39

[KROMMER23]

no disrespect to scc, in those two (close) games last year the scores does not reflect the game. lindenwood owned those games period. those who saw the games knew that.

and yes i think lindenwood will give up a few this year, hopefully, but they are still the greatest team this league will see for a long long time.

[catch]

dglass is half empty. oh by god don't say that lindenwood doesnt rule the earth. by god it would be like usc or ou (oklahoma for those of you in outer space) being the only team w/ scholarships and being treated liked michigan in appalachian state (paren the mispelling w. va). where would we be w/o lindenwood. maybe it would be comptetive like club sports are supposed to be. maybe idiots who didn't get enough on the act to get into scc wouldnt be able to go to college and maybe in a perfect world people like magic johnson, etc woulndt be stupid and rich. awe damn it im gettin worked up. those guys at lindenwood have jobs lined up at a car warsh (st. louis slang) just awaiting them

[Patn Lawton]

dglass is half empty. oh by god don't say that lindenwood doesnt rule the earth. by god it would be like usc or ou (oklahoma for those of you in outer space) being the only team w/ scholarships and being treated liked michigan in appalachian state (paren the mispelling w. va). where would we be w/o lindenwood. maybe it would be comptetive like club sports are supposed to be. maybe idiots who didn't get enough on the act to get into scc wouldnt be able to go to college and maybe in a perfect world people like magic johnson, etc woulndt be stupid and rich. awe damn it im gettin worked up. those guys at lindenwood have jobs lined up at a car warsh (st. louis slang) just awaiting them

Magic Johnson is stupid? He worked hard and was always "comptetive"... and "woulndt" appreciate you saying that.

I am just messing with you, but I am really not sure what your post is talking about. It seems to jump from topic to topic and is difficult to read.

[KillinAintShe]

It's gotta be that Missouri State education

[KillinAintShe]

Lindenwood is going to get stronger at semester. Some of their guys SHOULD be eligible by then.

[catch]

Catch is not educated at MSU. At best you may say MSU is educated by Catch, but I probably wouldn't go that far.

[bruins4777]

what happened to chavira possibly going to lindenwood?

[bender7]

For those who think UMSL has a chance against LU, think again. They have already lost twice to LU in 3 weeks. The comment before about the LU players grades is true. You can count on seeing Travis Fudge, Nick Syrigos, and most likely Michael Thiefault will be returning as well. next semester. Along with Mark Ell, Danny Frey, Johnny Mac, and Tom Mueller the team next semester is stacked. Do I even need to mention the names Tom Bruce, Brandon Barnette, Jeff Hill, or Kyle Gouge. LU's team is stacked, just give them the ring and play for second place. Im sorry to rain on your guys parade. I would have no problem putting money on LU not losing a game for this year and next year.

[GodBless]

I think we did have a change to win that game. We were up 2-0 but got tired after playing half of a period shorthanded and let them skate around us. If not for the string of three goals, the game would have been 3-2 us. Not that I'm naive enough to think that's how the game would have necessarily ended, but rather that without those breakdowns, the game would have been much closer than 5-3.

[bender7]

I didnt see the second game UMSL played LU, I did hear a lot about it though. You cant say that if you werent tired you would have done better. Why dont you just blame it on the refs. I think LU could beat 98% of college teams one man down. I would also take into consideration that a few players on LU's team just laugh the entire game cause its just a joke to them. Half the players only play at 75% of their potential.

[MBurke]

You cant say that if you werent tired you would have done better. Why dont you just blame it on the refs.


I would also take into consideration that a few players on LU's team just laugh the entire game cause its just a joke to them. Half the players only play at 75% of their potential.

Hi pot, meet kettle.

[rc22088]

posted by jwaston18
There is no race this year, just as there has not been a race for the division I title the last few years. Stoney brooke does not have a snow cones chance in hell at competing with Lindenwood. They had a good showing last year, but Lindenwood is in a league of their own. The only team that stands a legitimate chance against lindenwood is UMSL. Mostly because of their recent pickups and their new coach.

EVERYONE is aware that lindenwood is a good team and has talent.but why is everyone stuck and focused on them. I know they have a dynasty going and the ridiculous winning streak, but they're tons of threats out there this year like every year that can beat them. lindenwood is this lindenwood is that. if they're the best there is no need to have D1 nationals right? I see a post saying that stony brook doesn't have a chance. stony brook beat umsl at nationals this past season. jwatson18 that might be true about umsl and their pickups,but you dont know what teams have done the same. It's up for grabs this year whether its buffalo, rhode island, n.c. state, towson,LB, jmu, or even stony brook.

[GodBless]

I didnt see the second game UMSL played LU, I did hear a lot about it though.

Well, hell, kid, that makes you an expert.


You cant say that if you werent tired you would have done better. Why dont you just blame it on the refs.

Why would I do that? I think the penalties were justified. Even the one my team adamantly argued against (and that's despite the other ref rolling his eyes at the call). I'm not saying that it was the ref's fault we played half a period in the box; it was ours because we got sloppy on a few plays. The difference between the first period (which ended 0-0) and the other two was that we were then hesitant to put sticks on them in the other two periods. That let them walk around us and out-hustle us, creating many odd-man chances. Not by any means am I blaming the refs.


I think LU could beat 98% of college teams one man down. I would also take into consideration that a few players on LU's team just laugh the entire game cause its just a joke to them. Half the players only play at 75% of their potential.

So other teams should just flop over and forfeit against Lindenwood? Or should teams try their best against Lindenwood's 75% motivation and surprise them with a win? It's happened, and it's doomed to happen again, eventually.

Like I said, despite being down for half of the first period, it ended 0-0. Then we went up 2-0 on some sloppy play by Lindenwood. But we continued to be sloppy and didn't keep our feet moving, letting them walk around us, resulting in a 5-3 win. No blame to go around; just things to work on in the future.

[jwatson18]

posted by jwaston18
There is no race this year, just as there has not been a race for the division I title the last few years. Stoney brooke does not have a snow cones chance in hell at competing with Lindenwood. They had a good showing last year, but Lindenwood is in a league of their own. The only team that stands a legitimate chance against lindenwood is UMSL. Mostly because of their recent pickups and their new coach.

EVERYONE is aware that lindenwood is a good team and has talent.but why is everyone stuck and focused on them. I know they have a dynasty going and the ridiculous winning streak, but they're tons of threats out there this year like every year that can beat them. lindenwood is this lindenwood is that. if they're the best there is no need to have D1 nationals right? I see a post saying that stony brook doesn't have a chance. stony brook beat umsl at nationals this past season. jwatson18 that might be true about umsl and their pickups,but you dont know what teams have done the same. It's up for grabs this year whether its buffalo, rhode island, n.c. state, towson,LB, jmu, or even stony brook.


I dont know where you are from, but it seems obvious that you dont watch lindenwood play very much. If you got to seem them play every week, and if you knew the level they consistently play at then you would understand that rhode island and all the other teams you mentioned dont have a chance. stony brook is going on a good run in their division, but this year just like every year there is a considerable difference between being the best out west or out east and being the best in the great plains divison I. Lindenwood is the standard of roller hockey in this country; and they will not lose to any fairy tale team who thinks they stand a chance just because they did well in their own division.
That being said, just because lindenwood is the best team in the country doesnt mean they dont make errors and play sloppy from time to time. Hopefully, someone can capitalize like umsl did this weekend when lindenwood does make those errors; however, i dont think they will make enough errors to not win nationals again this year.

Watson
#18 Truman State Hockey

[RustyPipes27]

They are super good, but everyone is beatable.

[TourFLA98]

For those who think UMSL has a chance against LU, think again. They have already lost twice to LU in 3 weeks. The comment before about the LU players grades is true. You can count on seeing Travis Fudge, Nick Syrigos, and most likely Michael Thiefault will be returning as well. next semester. Along with Mark Ell, Danny Frey, Johnny Mac, and Tom Mueller the team next semester is stacked. Do I even need to mention the names Tom Bruce, Brandon Barnette, Jeff Hill, or Kyle Gouge. LU's team is stacked, just give them the ring and play for second place. Im sorry to rain on your guys parade. I would have no problem putting money on LU not losing a game for this year and next year.


I like this guy! Yeah iam coming back 100% btw

[William Bourque]

Stony Brook, Rhode Island and Buffalo are all three teams that are vastly improved from last season. I don't know that i see them beating Lindenwood, but for that matter it comes down to who is playing for second place.

In that instance, i am sure that any of these three teams could find themselves in the final four with a chance at the final. Lindenwood will be in a class of their own for a while. Until more schools have the power to recruit and maintain success like them.

[rc22088]

i'm from the East and your right i don't see them play very often. There is no doubt in my mind that there are good but aren't you tired of see the same team win. It would be nice if every school had the advantages of recruitment like they do but thats not the case. All I was saying was that they are human and beatable. You can't predict nationals when it's not even April

[GodBless]

Lindenwood will be in a class of their own for a while. Until more schools have the power to recruit and maintain success like them.

How is inline hockey going up there? It's my opinion that, at least regionally, the talent level has greatly dwindled. I honestly think after, say, 2 or 3 more seasons, we'll start seeing the last of the rush of talent we've had over for past 5 years. It just seems to me that the old boys' tournament circuit, in which St. Louis was a hotbed, is largely gone, especially now that many of us are graduating or are out of eligibility. If what I suspect becomes the case, that will only increase the talent level of Lindenwood over whatever scraps are left from the rest of the nation.

Thoughts?

[dan sangiorgio]

the fact still remains that lindenwood is not the lindenwood of last year or the year before. they are still the best team but the gap has closed alot from this year to last. now if players like fudge or whoever else return then maybe they will be able to lock up another championship. but as it stands now like most college teams lindenwood is counting on there top 4 or 5 guys to carry them.

[bender7]

Bottom line, Lindenwood is going to win nationals as long as Ron is their coach. I know jsut about every roller and ice hockey player that goes to Lindenwood. Recruiting on the roller hockey side does not even come close to the recruiting for ice at the school. What more does someone need than a phone call saying "we want you to come play roller hockey at Lindenwood, we have won nationals the last 6 years, WHAT IS YOUR RING SIZE!!!" Lindenwood gets the best players because the best players want to win national titles. Lindenwood is also a very good private college with a great background. LU roller hockey is a dynasty. There not going to lose. There B teams are 1st and 2nd in there divisions right now also.

[GodBless]

Why didn't they get PJ, then? I haven't asked him why he came to UMSL, so perhaps you heard from some people why he didn't go there despite being arguably the best freshman pick-up in the nation.

[bender7]

PJ is definatly the best freshman to join the college ranks this year. I have to support Johnny Mac though by saying he is right behind PJ, and Johnny will also have a fat ring on his finger after nationals. Rumor has it that PJ had his sights set on Lindenwood. I believe I know that reason he is at UMSL, but I do not think it would be fare to him to desclose the information that i have on a public forum because the information is personal and he probably just told the wrong person and thats how the word got around. I would ask him, while you at it, see if he wishes he was at LU.

[William Bourque]

How is inline hockey going up there? It's my opinion that, at least regionally, the talent level has greatly dwindled.

That is a really hard question to answer. I will put more thought into it and respond later.

[KillinAintShe]

I love it when people talk about lindenwood.

[KillinAintShe]

it didn't seem like a joke when we were up 2-0.

[William Bourque]

That is a really hard question to answer. I will put more thought into it and respond later.


To answer your question i will answer you on the regional scale in the ECRHA. This seasons DI is probably the most competitive it's ever been. Stony Brook has had an influx in talent since their first year in the league. They went from the #12 ECRHA team, to the National Champions in DII in one year. And this year, their first in the new ECRHA DI they are off to an outstanding start. Teams like Rhode Island and Buffalo have been top teams for some time, and every year they seem to replace whoever they lose with more talented players. Towson, who has been the class of the ECRHA the past few years is currently forgotten in most discussions, but have a better team than last year. Penn State and Rutgers, two teams most people don't mention with the elite have also improved their teams from the past few years.

In DII, It seems like Neumann and West Chester keep finding better and better players to replace the veterans who were on their way out. There really isn't a drop in talent level after the first six guys. After that the talent levels has hit was "seems" to be a drop, However, i personally feel that most teams are improving each year.

I think what ends up happening in a region like the Great Plains is that some programs, like Lindenwood, St. Charles and UMSL have grown into such storied programs that its hard for teams like Washington and SLU to keep up with the increase in talent because most of the cream in going to the same schools causing the gap in talent, or the perceived notion that their is less talent coming into the ranks.

GodBless, I really hope that this was what you were looking for with your question. If not, just ignore my rant.

[JLambertUMSL]

The only thing that would suck about being Lindenwood is that you have to deal with retarded jocksniffers like bender7 claiming to represent you on a public forum.

[bender7]

Just as im sure the worst part about going to UMSL is knowing that you will never beat LU or win a national title. I mean you dont have to be tony toughguy (Lambert). Congrats for getting 6 goals against LU in 2 games, they only doubled that against you guys. Right? Im just woundering why you dont go to LU if your good enough to talk sh** on a hockey forum.

[GodBless]

Just as im sure the worst part about going to UMSL is knowing that you will never beat LU or win a national title.

We already did that... like three years ago. Hell, maybe four. Man, I'm old.


Im just woundering why you dont go to LU if your good enough to talk sh** on a hockey forum.

There's more than a few reasons why someone would choose schools other than Lindenwood even if you're a great inline player and were offered a scholarship.

For one, academic success. Particularly in these parts, Lindenwood does not have a good academic reputation. Reinforcing this notion is the fact that Lindenwood is a teaching university, not a research university. Generally these schools aren't looked kindly upon when they're up against neighboring universities such as Washington University (medicine, law, engineering), Saint Louis University (medicine, law), UMSL (international business, criminology, and, believe it or not, tropical ecology), and Mizzou (journalism).

Secondly, academic options. Despite being a teaching institution, you have greater options for academic programs and areas of concentration at other universities. And at other institutions it's more likely you'll be taught by someone who researches and/or practices in the field.

And, lastly, price. Lindenwood, for being a teaching institution, is exorbitantly expensive. And it doesn't help that there's a residency requirement, too. I've heard of more than one past and/or current players who were/are really tired of the high schoolish rules they impose on their students. And, like I said, at that price. Let's also mention that while you might get an academic scholarship, you have to keep up your grades, which more than one player seemingly hasn't been able to do. If you lose that scholarship, you now have to pay that ungodly amount. And good luck getting your credits to transfer anywhere (see concern #1).

By the way, please learn how to spell and use grammar. It's really disheartening.

[JLambertUMSL]

Just as im sure the worst part about going to UMSL is knowing that you will never beat LU or win a national title. I mean you dont have to be tony toughguy (Lambert). Congrats for getting 6 goals against LU in 2 games, they only doubled that against you guys. Right? Im just woundering why you dont go to LU if your good enough to talk sh** on a hockey forum.

Whoa, it's a math wizard.

Woundering?

Tony Toughguy, that's a good one.

I'm itching to respond regarding what exactly makes someone "good enough" to go to LU, but I'm trying to keep in mind that LU didn't ask some retarded jocksniffer to start talking s--- on the internet on their behalf, so never mind.

[alex]

I don't know about everyone else, but I have 100 times more respect for a guy who chooses to play for a team he has to play a huge part on in order to win than a guy who chooses to be another cog in the machine for a team that's guaranteed to win a championship with or without him.

[ianmackie]

I usually just come on here as a lurker and have a good laugh. But, something erked me when reading this thread. I am an Asst. Coach with the LU D1 team and have been with the team for 2 years now. One thing that we have never done is accepting average. We play the game the right way and want to keep the legacy alive. Having prior players like Thompson, Coleman, Tunison, Hewkin, Vio, Marchand, and so many others that always played the game the right way...this new crop has huge shoes to fill. Are we as good? No, I don't think anyone will ever be as good...but this team is not accepting that. We practice hard and yearn for perfection. When playing UMSL the first 2 weekends we knew we would have tough games. Coach Marchand and his team are a great team that plays hard. Ben Lambert leads that team better than any other player in UMSL's history. So, if it was a dumbass from LU talking, it was most likely one that just doesn't get it. We know that everyone wants to take the belt from us and that motivation along with trying to match the previous players is enough for us. I guess you could say I am proud to be with LU and unless you are here you wouldn't get it. It is different from the inside as opposed to what everyone else believes.

Thanks and now I feel better.

Have a great Thanksgiving...but an even better Thanksgiving Eve. One of the best nights ever!

Ian Mackie

[jwatson18]

I think what ends up happening in a region like the Great Plains is that some programs, like Lindenwood, St. Charles and UMSL have grown into such storied programs that its hard for teams like Washington and SLU to keep up with the increase in talent because most of the cream in going to the same schools causing the gap in talent, or the perceived notion that their is less talent coming into the ranks.

In situations such as SLU and Wash U it is hard for them to get players because it costs over 30,000 to go there, when you can arguably get a decent education from UMSL, or the same education from truman, which only costs 5000 a year.

As far as Lindenwood goes, they are a joke academically. And generally speaking their degrees arent worth the paper it is written on. In many cases (Of students i personally know), because Lindenwood isnt at the forefront of academia, their students have to go to a different school after they graduate just to find a decent job. As far as i am concerned, I would rather have a job when a graduate rather then win 4 national titles through college. Further, personally, I would chose a third rate community college like St. Charles.. or even a second rate university like UMSL (who will accept anyone who will pay them) rather then spend the money on slu or wash u.

[GodBless]

or even a second rate university like UMSL (who will accept anyone who will pay them)

That's true. One of my classes had a psych patient in it. She only got in because apparently the state pays HUGE dollars for universities to allow psych or people on jail release into classes. Crazy (literally).

[William Bourque]

That's true. One of my classes had a psych patient in it. She only got in because apparently the state pays HUGE dollars for universities to allow psych or people on jail release into classes. Crazy (literally).

You should see the people they let attend Shippensburg...ala Tommy Hagg

Yea i said it.

[KillinAintShe]

That must be why so many people come from all over the globe to come to umsl. umsl is not a second rate college any more than mizzou or any other state university.

[GodBless]

Where is Globe, and why are they playing kazoos?

[The Stiff]

As far as Lindenwood goes, they are a joke academically. And generally speaking their degrees arent worth the paper it is written on. In many cases (Of students i personally know), because Lindenwood isnt at the forefront of academia, their students have to go to a different school after they graduate just to find a decent job. As far as i am concerned, I would rather have a job when a graduate rather then win 4 national titles through college.

As a hiring manager in a major corporation, I can tell you that a degree is a degree. Lindenwood is an accredited university, and a degree from Lindenwood is just as valuable as a degree from any other institution, unless you are talking Stanford or Ivy League schools or the like.

This sounds like sour grapes to me. Believe me, those guys who in the last 6 years have earned degrees from Lindenwood and who are wearing championship rings on their fingers are, I bet, doing pretty well for themselves.

[boring]

We already did that... like three years ago. Hell, maybe four. Man, I'm old.
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oh really, and you played on umsl when you did this? cause the last team i know of that has beaten them was in 2004 and i played for them

[GodBless]

Not to take anything away from current players, but I do wonder what Lindenwood's graduation rate is for inline players (and more specifically players given scholarships). There are more than a few players I've known throughout the years who played there but quickly exited due to grades, housing restrictions, or other reasons.

[GodBless]

oh really, and you played on umsl when you did this?

Yes, I did. When was that.. 2003-2004, I believe, in Anaheim, the year the Great Plains won the entire NCT.

[rc22088]

Wow you guys really worship this team!

[JLambertUMSL]

I would chose a third rate community college like St. Charles.. or even a second rate university like UMSL (who will accept anyone who will pay them) rather then spend the money on slu or wash u.

Regardless of its admission standards (they don't accept "anyone who will pay them," for the record) UMSL is what you make of it.

[CRadigan]

As a hiring manager in a major corporation, I can tell you that a degree is a degree. Lindenwood is an accredited university, and a degree from Lindenwood is just as valuable as a degree from any other institution, unless you are talking Stanford or Ivy League schools or the like.

This sounds like sour grapes to me. Believe me, those guys who in the last 6 years have earned degrees from Lindenwood and who are wearing championship rings on their fingers are, I bet, doing pretty well for themselves.
This might be true for entry level jobs at "major corporations", but as someone currently pursuing a graduate degree I can tell you that a degree is not a degree. A degree and decent GPA from a great university is far better than anything from a mediocre (and that's being generous) university like Lindenwood. And while your major corporation might take someone from Lindenwood as quickly as they do from SLU, WashU, etc., not everyone does, especially not in certain fields. Like Watson said, they are notorious around St. Louis for their education. And you should check on the accreditation; only some are accredited.

As for people coming from all over the world to attend UMSL, that is true for every university. I wouldn't call it a second-rate university, but it isn't as well reviewed as other state universities (e.g. Missouri-Rolla, Truman, and yes, Mizzou). Granted, every university has their great programs (UMSL-nursing, Rolla-engineering, etc.) and anyone can make an argument that their school is better or that their degree is worth a whole lot.

My point is: it's naive to think that the university you attend does not have a bearing on your opportunities after school, whether in the workplace or elsewhere. And as James said, everyone's experience is what they make it.

[JLambertUMSL]

You should see the people they let attend Shippensburg...ala Tommy Hagg

Yea i said it.

Mr. BigPads shut him out at Nationals.

[William Bourque]

Mr. BigPads shut him out at Nationals.

In addition to the rest of the squad as well...

http://www.ecrha.net/game.php?game_id=70363

[boring]

Yes, I did. When was that.. 2003-2004, I believe, in Anaheim, the year the Great Plains won the entire NCT.

which division are you talking about?
because in 03-04 umsl was d2 so they wouldnt have played lindenwoods d1 team (which is the only team were talking about), and your bteam didnt even go to nationals according to ncrha...so im a little confused

[GodBless]

Exactly, we were D2 at the time. You didn't make a distinction between D1 and D2 in your reference.

[JLambertUMSL]

James Lambert leads that team better than any other player in UMSL's history.

That would be Ben Lambert, actually. :)

[boring]

Exactly, we were D2 at the time. You didn't make a distinction between D1 and D2 in your reference.

ok...so how could you have beat a d1 team if you were d2? thats what im getting at since you said you beat them in 03-04

[William Bourque]

ok...so how could you have beat a d1 team if you were d2? thats what im getting at since you said you beat them in 03-04

I think you should reread what you said and what they said to respond to your post...should clear things up in your head.

[GodBless]

I think you should reread what you said and what they said to respond to your post...should clear things up in your head.

You'd think so, but I'll go ahead and bet against that happening, haha.

[ianmackie]

Haha...sorry James. Reading your posts got me thinking of you...

[JLambertUMSL]

In addition to the rest of the squad as well...

http://www.ecrha.net/game.php?game_id=70363

Right, but only one player guaranteed a hat trick.

[William Bourque]

Right, but only one player guaranteed a hat trick.

Correct.......

[boring]

since the entire thread is about lindenwoods d1 team i assumed you were talking about ...


Just as im sure the worst part about going to UMSL is knowing that you will never beat LU or win a national title.

i guess 2 part questions > me