PLayers Leaving???

[William Bourque]

Who is everyone losing from their teams this season?

Shippensburg - Simon Lock, Jeff Kulp, John DeLorretta, Josh Hartshorne

[Leaferguy]

Drexel - Bill Sherwood, Van Nguyen, Anthony Piscielli, Pat Cummins and any other underclassmen that decide to walk :p

...I better get good and quick.

[minveninato]

Briarcliffe: Dave Debalsio, Rob Ortiz, Greg Braska, Michael Bassett, Lou Milella, Justin Lean, Paul Russ, and Frank, Loeb

[spencerhs5]

UCF- myself is the only definate. possibly dane johnson and daryn kahn

[BccCP33]

UCF- myself is the only definate. possibly dane johnson and daryn kahn

I hear he might migrate over to the bcc campus..

[Patn Lawton]

Brockport's starting goalie Xavier Faure, and backup Kyle Shrauger. Brockport's skinniest player Ryan Paige.

[uconnhockey1]

UConn is losing Lucibello, Russo, Tolli, Yovino, Pontacoloni...

gonna be a longgggg year next year

[James Lambert]

UMSL - only a few. We'll get hit much harder next year, when the NCRHA eligibility clock hits the five-year mark for the first time.

[James Lambert]

Brockport's starting goalie Xavier Faure, and backup Kyle Shrauger. Brockport's skinniest player Ryan Paige.

That Shrauger guy's not any good anyway. Why even mention him? ;)

[ISFN]

UMSL - only a few. We'll get hit much harder next year, when the NCRHA eligibility clock hits the five-year mark for the first time.


Who all is leaving? I overheard while hangin around with some SCC guys that their plans are to go to UMSL in a year or 2 so that'll be a huge pick up.

[KSiordia66]

CSUSB - Kyle Siordia
Robert Howard
Brent Cadogan
Gavin McMullen
Brian O'Reilly
Scott Hansen



gotta start recruiting hardcore

[osu_buckeyes]

Ohio State - The only A player leaving is Duane Gotro, we should also be picking up some more quality players for next year.

[bakerg81]

Penn State-Joe Malesic(probably the most experienced grinder ever to lace em up in the NCRHA) and Chuck Lavera(One half of our goaltending rotation)

[MAmato]

Cornell - Chris Dudasik, Lou Morales. Gonna be interesting to fill their skates.
I'm around for another year though, so players will continue to be able to score at will on us.

[TheU]

Miami

Chris Falce
The Jake Flader
Eric Levine

Hopefully returning for grad school will be Mike Ruble and Eric Munter. Some excellent recruits remain at Miami including ex. OHL player Deveraux Heshmatpour and others. But pulling them away from the beaches and other life in Miami is difficult to do.

[JLambertUMSL]

Who all is leaving? I overheard while hangin around with some SCC guys that their plans are to go to UMSL in a year or 2 so that'll be a huge pick up.

I don't know for sure who's leaving.

You overhear a lot of things. ;)

D3 eligibility is only three years. The clock is up for some. :)

[GoRangrHky]

Hofstra- Dino Virone, Bobby Corcoran, and Adam Koziol. One of our top 2 defensemen and our 3 line pair of forwards. At least one forward who will make up for Virone's point total is coming in (transfer from a CC), and maybe another. So all we really need is an average or better defenseman and a 3rd line forward.

[Lindenwoodhockey]

Lindenwood is losing five guys to graduation.... Forward Derek Tunison, Defensemen Greg Thompson and Brandon Marchand, and Goaltenders Brian Colemen and Ryan Viamontes. This will be a tough group to replace.

[JimmyCruse]

Truman State loses Chris Radigan and Jimmy Cruse to graduation.

Radigan is attending Mizzou for graduate school as of right now. As of right now, I will be attending U of Illinois for graduate school.

[Army Defense]

Army- Kyle Jerichow, Cullen McPeak, Sean Snook, Dan Palmer, Ed Mallue.

[KShrauger]

Pat Lawton from Brockport is still playing next season! Jeez, I think someone needs to check his eligibility.

[RUsigs11]

Next season, Rutgers is most likely losing me (Anthony Tsigourakos), James Novak, Joe Tsigourakos, & Brendan Soffientini.

[Patn Lawton]

Pat Lawton from Brockport is still playing next season! Jeez, I think someone needs to check his eligibility.

I noticed Kyle Shrauger didn't make the all-star team to represent ECRHA at the NARCH nationals this summer. Its about time someone realized he is overrated.

[dan sangiorgio]

I noticed Kyle Shrauger didn't make the all-star team to represent ECRHA at the NARCH nationals this summer. Its about time someone realized he is overrated.

i don't know how the ecrha left him off the team i would think he'd be the starter hands down and that there would be a tough choice for a backup from a list about 4 or 5 goalies but to see him left off just shows you can't always expect the people in charge to make the right choice
out of all the regions i think the ecrha did the worst job of judging talent there is a huge drop of after the top 6 guys on this team... no Shrauger/porter/anyone from stoney brooke shows poor judge of talent

[Patn Lawton]

No Shrauger is the best judgement call I've ever seen!


*Disclaimer* for anyone who is unaware, Shrauger is one of my best friends at school and I don't actually play for Drexel.

[cojones81]

Over here in Nevada we will be losing three guys, Goalie Matt Van Ness, Forward Chris Jones and Defense Corey Jones.

[KShrauger]

I noticed Kyle Shrauger didn't make the all-star team to represent ECRHA at the NARCH nationals this summer. Its about time someone realized he is overrated.

It's probably because you told them I was from the South.

[get2it]

Why is there such a high turnover for the teams in roller hockey...Some teams seam to be really strong one year and they bad the next. A good example was Duquesne and Brockport from last year to this year. Did those teams lose a lot of guys? Did funding drop? Also look at Stoney Brook, they werent even a contender last yr and they go to national champs. Thats good for them but bad for the sport if keeps keeping fluctuating soo bad.

[Leaferguy]

Hey, Drexel consistently doesn't win the Championships...

[RPaigebport2]

Brockport lost 7 or so guys from the team that made the final four last season . all 7 were top players which made it hard to return to the national level of play...

[Patn Lawton]

Excuses from Brockport...typical. If Shrauger was as good as everyone said he was then they would have been in nationals this year.

[RPaigebport2]

we would have if you just graduated and didnt play this year, but you just had to stay and go to grad school here.........

[get2it]

OK so we got no where in the conversation. It cannot be good for the sport. Do you guys promote at your school and if so how? How does losing 7 guys drop a team from one of the best in the country to nowhere? I just dont seem to understand the disparity in some teams from year to year.

Pat as I can see you have added no value to any conversation to reply to. Are you a funny guy or something because I am missing it.

[Leaferguy]

OK so we got no where in the conversation. It cannot be good for the sport. Do you guys promote at your school and if so how? How does losing 7 guys drop a team from one of the best in the country to nowhere? I just dont seem to understand the disparity in some teams from year to year.
Generally, we at Drexel promote at our Accepted Students Days, Activity Fairs, and Orientations (when allowed). We also hang flyers and try and get whomever was cut from ice hockey and has played or wants to play roller to come out. It's a slow, tedious process, but it works to bring in a few solid guys a year. Still, it's not easy to get some guys to stay in one spot for a long time.

We've been lucky to have guys like Bill Sherwood and Pat Cummins stick around for their entire college careers, but not all schools can get their marquee players to do so. I think with Brockport, they had Brian Bauman join as a fifth-year senior, and he added a lot to that team. They've lost some other guys, as they've said, but the point is that it's not just finding talent to make these teams go.

All that said, Brockport was still a good team this season and was much, much closer to Nats than a lot of people realize.

[Patn Lawton]

Pat as I can see you have added no value to any conversation to reply to. Are you a funny guy or something because I am missing it.


I suppose thats subjective.

Brockport lost its top four forwards and top 3 defensemen from the last season to this season that was just completed.

[get2it]

So basically your saying that its pot luck on whether or not you can be a strong team each year? If you can add kids that are 5th year seniors you will be stronger? I find it hard to believe at the college level one player that is not a goalie can influence a team that much. Is it possible to promote in HS and have a solid freshman class that hangs around for 4 years? Or does it go back to being pot luck on who you get? I mean how can the sport flourish if your hoping to get the kids who dont make the Club Ice hockey team?

[get2it]

Wait so your telling me its Pot Luck on whether or no youor team will be good from year to year? I find it very hard to believe that at the College level one player can be that big of an influence unless it is a goalie. I mean how is the sport going to flourish if you are banking on the kids that get cut from the Club ice hockey team? I mean seriously?

[Patn Lawton]

OK so we got no where in the conversation. It cannot be good for the sport. Do you guys promote at your school and if so how? How does losing 7 guys drop a team from one of the best in the country to nowhere?

How does losing the top 7 guys not drop a team from one of the best in the country to nowhere? As far as recruiting goes, when I was captain I would put up flyers, use facebook, etc. Some people would contact club sports who would send them over to me. Shrauger used to play ice hockey and convinced 3 ice hockey guys to play that were out of eligability.

Roller hockey really isn't very big in Western NY, although it is growing. Most of the players we get are ice hockey players converting over in college. Hopefully we will have a better turnout at tryouts next year.

[TheSnake22]

from the looks of it, there are a number of schools where losing 7 players would not only severely impact the success of the team but would probably cause the team to disband completely... i don't see how it's hard to understand when an inline team can be have as few as 8 skaters and probably not much more that 12, that losing the best half of the team will probably make a significant difference... unless your lindenwood of course...

[MBurke]

Believe it or not, it would make a huge difference to any team to lose 7-8 players - yes, even Lindenwood or for that matter any team in ANY league in the country.

Drop the top 7-8 guys off the Mudcats or last year's Typhoon, etc. and I am pretty sure you'd see them struggle to replace their talent.

You have to consider that colleges have a limited pool of players to pull from. At Towson we've had many potential players fall by the wayside because they can't even get in.

[alawrence]

Why is there such a high turnover for the teams in roller hockey...Some teams seam to be really strong one year and they bad the next. A good example was Duquesne and Brockport from last year to this year. Did those teams lose a lot of guys? Did funding drop? Also look at Stoney Brook, they werent even a contender last yr and they go to national champs. Thats good for them but bad for the sport if keeps keeping fluctuating soo bad.

I have to disagree with you completely on your last point. I think it is worse for the sport if things don't fluctuate.

The high turnover is a product of college sports in general not just Inline. look at any college sport and you will have teams doing real well for a few years then not so well then become good again - its the natural flow of things at this level. The fact that you can only have players for limited amounts of time makes it extremely difficult to field a national championship contender every year. An example that I can think of off the top of my head is the Uconn basketball team - in 2006 they only lost like 4 or 5 games total all year and were a favorite going into the NCAA championships. this past year they didn't even make the NCAAs and struggled to stay over .500 overall. This is a team with increddible support and a great tradition and they couldn't avoid a down year.

How would brockport with very little support at all and a very short history have a better chance to avoid the same type of slump?

I think the more rare thing in inline is that there ARE teams that compete for a national title every year. you would expect to see 3-4 year runs by a few teams but generally speaking we have the same teams at nationals every year and the only thing that changes is where they finish (and even that is not always the case)

Also, as far as Stony Brook goes - this was their 2nd year as a NCRHA club. I wouldn't expect them to win a national title in their first year and think it is amazing they were able to pull it off in just their 2nd year.

how can these fluctuations be a bad thing? Is it a bad thing for baseball that there has been a new World Series champion every year since 2000? or a bad thing for hockey that there has been a new stanley cup champ every year since '98? Are the Patriots unorganized because they won 3/4 super bowls but haven't even been to the last 2? Was the NFL better when the Pats were winning those superbowls and now football is heading in the wrong direction or something?

[get2it]

No fluctuating like that is a bad thing. To go to the extremes is bad. Definitely not good. Doesnt promote support from anyone at any level. I am not saying the same team has to win a championship every year or there wont be a suprise team every year because there will. But how can you tell me its a good thing for college roller hockey for teams to go from top in the country to pretty bad and almost not making regionals? You cannot be serious. That does nothing good for the sport.

[William Bourque]

No fluctuating like that is a bad thing. To go to the extremes is bad. Definitely not good. Doesnt promote support from anyone at any level. I am not saying the same team has to win a championship every year or there wont be a suprise team every year because there will. But how can you tell me its a good thing for college roller hockey for teams to go from top in the country to pretty bad and almost not making regionals? You cannot be serious. That does nothing good for the sport.

Happens in the NCAA all the time...

[TheSnake22]

burke, i only excluded lindenwood since even if they lose a handful of impact players, they're almost sure to have a fresh group coming in to replace them... not saying it wont make a difference, only that they seem to have a pipeline of quality players that no one else has... any team hurts from losing players, but some teams can replace those players more easily than others...

get2it... i'm not sure how to describe your post. i'll be polite and say i strongly disagree with it... first, we're talking about a college sport, so turnover is a natural thing...wisconsin hockey... wisconsin won the national championship last year and missed the tournament this year... if more teams think they can win, the more the sport will grow... at one point there were only a handful of great hockey programs, now there 20 plus teams every year that can compete against anyone... there is no possible way that is a bad thing... maybe it's not good for that program to have a bad year, but it's good for the sport overall because everyone feels like they have a chance...

[someaction]

Are we all forgetting that this is collegiate inline hockey, which has little-to-no influence on admissions procedures.

So unless you go to Bumblef*&k Community College, you can't ensure that any recruit will go to your school. He could be the best player in the country, but if grades aren't up to par at a good school, he's not getting in.

This is not an attack on Penn State at all, but they are a team who made the national championship game in 2004, then didn't do as well in 2005. PSU is an accredited national university, with very good academics. So maybe their success one year might have led to a dozen great roller hockey players wanting to go to their school, but couldn't get in? Now PSU is a good team again, because they've got some good players who have been there for a while, all of whom were able to get into the school, and are committed to the program... that's how you build a good team year after year.

[Patn Lawton]

It is exciting to watch teams bust out of mediocracy as their program and abilities develop. Hofstra is a good example over the past 4 years, and brockport the past 3 years before this season. Cornell made a huge jump from last season to this season and I expect them to be even better next year. I don't think turnover is a big issue. We still have teams that are great from year to year in DII like Neumann, UTD, Emory, Nevada, and UMSL.

[James Lambert]

I have to disagree with you completely on your last point. I think it is worse for the sport if things don't fluctuate.

The high turnover is a product of college sports in general not just Inline. look at any college sport and you will have teams doing real well for a few years then not so well then become good again - its the natural flow of things at this level. The fact that you can only have players for limited amounts of time makes it extremely difficult to field a national championship contender every year.

I have to resurrect this post, because it's absolutely, 100% true.

Lately I've heard a lot of confusion/ignorance regarding the NCRHA eligibility limits.

And having recently completed year #4 of NCRHA competition, next season will be the final year of eligibility for anyone who's been playing since 2003-04 (or earlier).

Soon there's sure to be more and more people pushing for the elimination of the five-year overall eligibility limit and/or the three-year Division III limit.

That can't happen if the NCRHA is to truly be a legitimate collegiate effort, and I have faith that the NCRHA will stand firm on this issue.

[Drexel63]

I, like Burke, Mackert, and others, have competed in college hockey for 8 years now. I graduated this year (8 years is a long time, I know, but not everyone can go to school full time for every term. I worked my way through college)

I got lucky, and am the first to say that I took advantage of the extra eligibility, however, I am all for the 5 year limitation.

As for the fluctuation of success because of marquee players leaving marquee teams, NCRHA should be looking for support and sponsorship as a whole, for the entire league, not for individual teams. That is college sports. Players and classes move on, creating room for the next batch to shine on the big stage.

get2it, I don't want this to come off as an attack on you, but I am getting the impression that your argument for no eligibility is so that the stability long time players like myself give great teams would create a more marketable product. If I'm wrong, please correct me. The league should not even consider "who's hot" when trying to market it's product. It helps to have a Lindenwood, who everyone in the country should see play at least once, but it should not be necessary to get funding and support from the Roller Hockey community.

Everyone moves on eventually, and the hole that any player would leave after 8 years is ENORMOUS. Recruiting helps, but only experience can fill that spot. By not graduating on time, I've left a larger hole for my team to fill, because the last 3 years were not spent grooming an undergrad to fill my shoes. Understand what I'm saying?

[GripperWheels]

I agree. People have to work through college.
Also if you go anywhere but Lindenwood you also have to pay your own way for inline hockey.
We should still increase the eligibility years from 5 to 7 to include graduate time and transfers from a community college.
It is a little selfish for the CRHL players to say after they leave and have had 6,7, and 8 years of playing time that the next payers are limited to 5 years.

Discriminate against the new players after you have had several years of hockey. You have got your rink time and now you want to shorten the next generation of players when the schools themselves find the players eligible to play club sports.

[DGlass]

I don't think we should automatically increase the amount of eligibility. It should be an appeals process. Considering the number, it is not out of the question for the NCRHA to consider each appeal and make sure the person in question is truly pursuing a graduate degree.

[JLambertUMSL]

i don't know how the ecrha left him off the team i would think he'd be the starter hands down and that there would be a tough choice for a backup from a list about 4 or 5 goalies but to see him left off just shows you can't always expect the people in charge to make the right choice
out of all the regions i think the ecrha did the worst job of judging talent there is a huge drop of after the top 6 guys on this team... no Shrauger/porter/anyone from stoney brooke shows poor judge of talent

I think it's an anti-DII thing. But I'm a conspiracy theorist.

[JLambertUMSL]

I don't think we should automatically increase the amount of eligibility. It should be an appeals process. Considering the number, it is not out of the question for the NCRHA to consider each appeal and make sure the person in question is truly pursuing a graduate degree.

If there were a panel of unbiased people from every region that wouldn't just rubber-stamp everything, I could definitely go with that.

But the standards should be strict, and in fact, anyone who appeals for extra eligibility should be verified, double-checked throughout each semester, and maybe required to meet a GPA standard as well. Eligibility beyond five years should be considered a privilege.

[TSUMoody89]

If there were a panel of unbiased people from every region that wouldn't just rubber-stamp everything, I could definitely go with that.

But the standards should be strict, and in fact, anyone who appeals for extra eligibility should be verified, double-checked throughout each semester, and maybe required to meet a GPA standard as well. Eligibility beyond five years should be considered a privilege.


I think the fact that someone is enrolled in a graduate program should be verification enough of an individual's meeting whatever standards would be set. Unless what I have heard about graduate programs around the country is wrong, they don't just let people in so they can play inline.

[MBurke]

It's a good idea, but unbiased according to whom?

It seems the standard for escaping claims of bias is to have no affiliation with any team, region or school at any point now or in history...

Which basically means everyone can then (somewhat accurately) claim that the picks are 'incompetent' because no one knows anything about the teams...

It seems the way to make everyone happy is to only come to decisions that everyone agrees with, something I hope we all agree is an impossibility.

[InlineMBA]

If he plays inline, and not club ice, Drexel will have the opportunity to pick up a good incoming freshman goalie in Andrew Lang.

Steve Inge

[Leaferguy]

Thanks for the heads up :D ! Goodness knows we need someone.