Weekend Scores: Feb 16-18 [Archive] - Inline Hockey Central

InlineMBA

02-18-2007, 08:43 PM

Sunday 4/18

Grizzlies - Growl

Minors
Game #1: Growl 5-0
Game #2: Grizzlies 3-2 OT

Pro
Game #1: Growl 4-2
Game #2: Grizzlies 2-1 (Forfeit)

And, I'd like to add a post-script in regards to the pro game #2: DESPICABLE, I've always held John Mosenson in the highest regard, both on the rink and off. But tonight, a flagrant cross check to the back drops a guy and then John cross checks him in the face. DESPICABLE, I dare anyone from the Growl to defend John's actions. If he doesn't get suspended for at least 6 games, this PIHA is a joke.

Steve Inge

TheSnake22

02-18-2007, 08:45 PM

forfeit? do explain...

Maskman00

02-18-2007, 09:23 PM

As a spectator I can confidently say that the real issue was that the refs completely let the game get out of hand. A lack of calls led to numerous attempts at cheap shots by the Grizzles (and some also by the growl, not to leave them out). Eventually the frustrated growl players retailiated and that led to the altercation. From what I have heard this was a continuation from the first time these teams met at the rink.

Growl only dressed 8 players, and 3 were tossed. They then didnt have enough players to serve the penalties, hence the forfit.

Other Scores:
Hartford-Morristown
Minors:
4-1
3-2 both for the ants.

Pro:
6-2
3-2 both for morristown

All were well play, clean and incredibly well reffed games. I really wish those guys would do all the PIHA games.

InlineMBA

02-18-2007, 09:25 PM

Growl Forfeit = Growl had a very short bench, which is unusual for them. Lots of penalties in the first period and they couldn't put 4 guys (plus a goalie) on the floor to start the second period, so they forfeited the game.

I only know Sully and Keating of the Growl pretty well, and they are two of the classiest guys on and off the hockey rink. So, I'm not putting down the entire Growl team, but Mosenson's actions were way out of line.

Steve Inge

TheSnake22

02-18-2007, 10:02 PM

Unfortunate and disappointing... from other league experiences, i could definitely see this coming as a result of refs letting things get out of hand but obviously i wasn't there... i've seen or heard of more than one instance where an incident has grown out of control because some refs either were not capable of breaking it up or didn't feel like it (bandits minor v. richmond last season and bandits v. marple this season to name two). i dont know john, but all of the growl players i know personally have been nothing but classy, but when play get chippy and the stripes let too much go then bad things happen...

minutemen

02-18-2007, 10:10 PM

I can not believe that they had to forfeit. I had a feeling something was going to happen in the games today, i quess I was right. The refs who did the Minutemen and FireAnts game did a great job. Bill Taggert is a good ref, and Chirs Saez did a good job as well. I was not there to see tonights actions, but Mosenson's is a tough physical player. He played very rough last night in our games, but he did not get out of hand, like tonight. But it all comes down to the first meeting with these two teams. The games are physical and from what I hear both teams are doing it. I am not excusing Mosenson's actions, but becuase of past games I knew something was going to happen tonight. who reffed the games?

wheels15

02-18-2007, 10:13 PM

I was one of the ones thrown out, but who knows what will happen with suspensions and what not. Moses did do some things I would not have done but the goalie jumped in so I grabbed the goalie to stop everything but I ended up with two guys on me with the goalie throwing punches. If anyone seen it, I did not throw one punch the whole time. I threw the goalie around and lost my cool and everyone was running their mouth, including the Grizzlies coach who called me out to fight me, lol, but thats besides the point. What happened on the rink stays there, but the refs only seemed to penalize our team and throw our guys out and apparently the goalie was not even penalized. I know many guys on the grizzlies and this should not have happened but the game got out of hand way before this happened with many missed calls on high sticks and Moses was slew-footed and landed hard on his back with no call, so thats what sparked him. So all in all it got pretty ugly but there was no real punches or fights so who knows where the league goes with all this. Also, we were missing JD Davidson, Mike Keating, Meaty Aksalic, Kenny Meyer, Ron Tracy, and Mike Sanchez. So that was why we foreit b/c we didn't have any guys on the bench. Guess we should dress minors once in a while, lol. But I have no hard feelings to the grizzlies players and coaches, everything stays on the rink. Good luck the rest of the season and maybe we'll see you guys in the playoffs.
Beauchamp #17
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Maskman00

02-18-2007, 11:24 PM

I think it is quite obvious from the games this weekend that the refs in PIHA are not nearly up to par with the competition. Although the there are a few notable exceptions, many of the refs are house league caliber at best. When talented players are playing with a lot at stake, there needs to be refs of that caliber. This is not meant to be a shot at the refs personally, but if this league wants to advance, I believe this is one area that it really needs to improve in. I think the majority of the players and fans agree.

growl89

02-19-2007, 02:17 AM

I cannot defend Johns actions against that player, but if i was him i would have done the same thing to the person who slew-footed him twice in the same shift in front of officials who laugh it off. Are there going to be nights where officials are not the best? yes, it happens, it's hockey, but the disreguard to the new rules every weekend is getting rather upsetting. It is not just happening to our team, it's both ways every game and it's different every game with what gets let go... It is frustrating to say the least, so back to tonights events.... everything was building to a head as Moses was slew footed in front of the ref and laid on the ground for 5 minutes with the refs laughing about it... it was a disgrace... as for Moses x-checking my boy mckeon, i do not agree with it, but how much is one supposed to take? the home team was clearly recieving the benfits from the officials, the new rules were non-exisistent once again, holding, slashing, hooking and high sticking let go time and time again with NOTHING but LAUGHING from officials... i will not name them on here, but everyone who was at this awful game will know who they are...

The new rules were meant to keep the play makers and goal scorers going, tonight there was impedmeant all over the rink, so what are players supposed to do? And do not just point fingers at Moses, he was wrong, however, a coach threatening a player? and screaming at him on the rink? what is that about?

Best leave this all alone, because it is nothing but ugly for the teams and the league

There needs to be a Reffing standard, i think there should be a Players association to help with this... any thoughts?

InlineMBA

02-19-2007, 06:49 AM

Thank God no one was seriously hurt.

Steve Inge

http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule91.html

Any player who is guilty of "slew-footing" shall be assessed a match penalty. This penalty shall be in accordance with Rule 43 -- Attempt to or Deliberate Injury of Opponents. Any player assessed a match penalty for "slew-footing" will also be subject to Rule 33A -- Supplementary Discipline.

TheSnake22

02-19-2007, 09:27 AM

i think a players association would be a good thing. one player from every team in the division, and one representative of that group from each division, and one head of the players association. not too complicated. right now i thing cj yoder is pretty much the whole players association.

Drew10

02-19-2007, 09:46 AM

As far as suspensions are concerned, I was suspended for 6 games for yelling a few choice words at an official a few weeks back in Pittsburgh. I'm not defending either the players or the officials in this matter, however, I believe a players association is something that needs to happen. I also believe that there should be a way for the league to investigate officials and possibly hand suspensions to them as well. I don't wanna sit here and bash anyone. I just think that there are way too many inconsistencies and they need to be addressed so things like this don't happen. Waiting until next season is an easy way out.
Overall the league is fun and competitive and has a bright future, we just need to work out some kinks.

TheSnake22

02-19-2007, 10:00 AM

the problem is until you start paying people, all you can do is suspend them. the league has actually threatened to fine people, but i dont think it's likely to happen nor do i think they would even be allowed to legally. so all they can really do is give you a few more games than you might deserve to try to send a message. however right now the referees are the judge and jury when it comes to these situations, and that should be something that is changed. a player cant be at the mercy of a ref when he threatens to suspend you, SOMETHING THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY HEARD ONE PARTICULAR PITTSBURGH AREA REFEREE DO ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION. a referee can give a game misconduct, match penalty, unsportsmanlike conduct, whatever, but he shouldn't have any involvement whatsoever in the length of a suspension. the league should consult the ref, the player, the coaches, and hopefully someday the teams' players reps and determine what really happened, who was at fault, and then choose an appropriate action...

minutemen

02-19-2007, 10:03 AM

I think a players union is a great idea. Flynn I have to say you are right not to name the refs on here, no the place to bash people. I have my idea who they were, since we had our games right before yours, and there is not many refs in the area. I am happy to hear no one was hurt. Yes the problem is the refs need to be consistent to the rules. New rules were made and 12 of the games we had out of 16 the refs have been good with the new rules. 2 of our games, when I confronted the ref about the new rules, I was laughed at and said I had no clue of the rules. That is a problem right there. Coaches should not be laughed at when they have every right to ask the refs questions. The other two games we had one ref consistent and the other had no idea what he was doing. As a coach I get my team prepared the first 10 games to the new rules. The last 4 out of 6 games is were we had our problems. Now I have no idea what to prepare my team for. New rules were made and they should be followed. I understand refs miss things, and it is not easy to ref games of this caliber, but stick to the rules and problems like this will have a less chance of happening. Do not get me wrong this is a great league, and it has been a fun season so far, but I think waiting to next season to fix this would not be good. A good example was a few weeks ago. We had ref that did our game, and his first piha game of his season. He was not calling the new rules. then a few days later I ran into him, and he said that he had no idea the rules chaged that much, He blamed himself beacuse it was up to him to read them. We had him last night, and he did a great job. I understand for years that refs are used to calling games a different way, and it is tough to learn new rules. But that is there job. They are getting paid by the home teams cash, and they should be calling the right game. Once again it is not all the refs, but a few can spoil the bunch.

FrankFrank

02-19-2007, 10:59 AM

Alright... not to be "That Guy"... but can we move on to another subject other then the officiating world?

Anybody have any good highlights from the games this weekend? Did Sully dangle anyone out there at the games?

Frank~Frank

SPORTSPLEXJEFF

02-19-2007, 11:21 AM

While announcing our own home games I started to cough and tried to say our name so quick I called us the Fusterville Fury! Announcing superiority I guess can say will be a skill of Mr. Darth Vader on the Jersey side of the Bridge.

Dave Garland

02-19-2007, 11:50 AM

A suggestion:

What we did here in the Gateway Division was have a ref meeting. I know we have an easier time with 4 teams in St. Louis..so getting a meeting was not that difficult; however, if it is up easy you could do a conferance call or something like that.

At our meeting we had all refs, management, coaches, and a player rep from each team. We went over how things should be called, had a question and answer session, etc.

Of course there will be bad nights for refs, it just happens..consistency is usually all anyone asks for!

robinshockey25

02-19-2007, 11:56 AM

our new guy brian hartman from niagara u had 3 goals and 3 assists, #1 star in our win in game 2, in his first two games w/ us against harrisburg...huge addition to our team; things could get interesting when we go to pitt this weekend.

kicksave60

02-19-2007, 11:56 AM

Players Union! That would mean giving some power out to others.......This place is great and most of the time there are great posts. But something in the league needs to change. It's getting better and BIGGER every year. Change has to come with growth. It happens in every aspect of life. A ton of players and no one to defend them when the league stands above them. A players union puts the players at the same level.

patb16

02-19-2007, 12:09 PM

I'd gladly volunteer to represent my team if said players union were to be formed.

We as players need some kind of representation.

whodere

02-19-2007, 01:05 PM

TheSnake22

02-19-2007, 02:02 PM

yea, i find it hard to believe anyone from your team will score more than one goal on pittsburgh. ciolli on defense and leggat in net, is a tough draw. looking at stats, i dont see it happening. although that was a big win against harrisburg, congrats on that. harrisburg seems to be a little inconsistent so far this season, losing to pitt and then crushing the inferno the next day..and then losing to richmond, marple, and fury one game each. they are a much better team then that.

you sound absurd... the kid played d1 hockey, he's good...

as for harrisburg, they're a very good and i don't think its fair to call them inconsistent. for the most part any team can beat any other team in this league. when they came to pittsburgh, they played very well in game 1 against the bandits and were in the box all of game 2. the next day was the exact opposite, with game 1 being close and the inferno being in the box for all of game 2. marple and feasterville are good teams and richmond just added as good of a player as any in the league. this weekend in pittsburgh will have a huge impact on the playoffs 3-6 seeds in our division.

AFan99

02-19-2007, 02:45 PM

I think a players union is a must at this point. The amount of penalties being called in games is hurting the game. The exciting part about roller hockey has always been the 4v4 wide open play. Imagine if you went to a basketball game and one team played a man down the whole game. I dont think that is very exciting. Basketball is exciting because of the passing and picks that allow plays to evovle into scoring chances. That is what roller hockey has always been about.

This season that basically has been eliminated due to so many penalties being called at least in the northeast. I do not find it exciting to watch the constant special teams work that the game has become this season. I think with a players association the league would need to at least listen to what the players do not like about the current way the games are being officiated. The standards of play were meant for a game were the primary means of moving a player off the puck is to body check him. Those same rules should not have been applied to roller hockey where checking is not allowed. Now that does not mean some of the rules should not be enforced.

I guess the main point is that there are way too many penalties being called and it is hurting the 4on4 style of hockey that has made inline hockey exciting. I think the feedback from an organized players association could help fix alot of these problems.

Thanks
Paul

GROWL

02-19-2007, 03:08 PM

First before I begin a couple of points.

1. Justin, I have not yet posted to this topic. That post was from one of my players, but I do agree that tossing referee names out for critizism is not appropriate.

2. Jeff, I would much rather be refered to as the emperor, though I guess my bald head is a resemblence to darth when he took his mask off.

More importantly! I am not here to defend anyone's actions from yesterday's game. I allowed enough time to gather my thoughts on the subject, before posting to the comments made on this post. I feel very strongly that Mr Inge should be ashamed for calling the Growl out publically. You're only stirring the pot with a comment like this and making a bad situation worse. I applaud my group for responding professionally and not taking the bate. I have far too much respect for the league, its teams, players, and staff then to debate this topic and all the details that led up to it in a public forum. I hope a full and accurate inquiry is held to gain a clear picture of what occured both Sunday and in our previous meeting at ISCA. I take responsibility for the actions of my team and will be taking the appropriate measures to ensure that it does not happen on my watch again.

growl89

02-19-2007, 03:13 PM

i actually suprised myself by not posting his name lol usually i'm all over that... maybe it's true, you do get wiser with age... :D

02-19-2007, 03:58 PM

we have 24 minute games. in that 24 minutes you could run into penalty trouble, injuries to a decent player that limits them to a shift or 2 in that game, some bad bounces, a bunch of things could happen to shorten that game even more. a goalie that stood on his head is what we ran into in game 2 on saturday (and game 1 in pittsburgh for that matter), which is probably the most frustrating. i am not by any means saying that the robins didn't deserve to win because they did. they are doing the right things to become one of the elite teams in this league and if they continue to move forward they will be. anyone can beat anyone any given night...that is what makes this fun. if you're not having fun this year check your pulse.

as far as the the officials, everyone has to deal with some bad ones it's just how you handle the adversity that makes the situation. why in the world with a 27 man, or whatever it is, roster would you only dress 8 guys? give some of your better minor guys a shot. that forfeit was just mismanagement as far as i'm concerned. nothing against you flynn but you know better than that.

ISFN

02-19-2007, 04:05 PM

Its NHL style here in the gateway, fights, checks, slashes, pick one its only 2 minutes in the box.

I'm all for letting people play but I can see it now when cross-divisional play begins, its going to be a huge surprise for one division.

wheels15

02-19-2007, 05:03 PM

Ying I know where you are coming from saying to dress minors. Flynn was going to bring up a couple defensemen but we told him we wanted to play with 8 because we would all get a lot more playing time and everyone would be happy. Guess that one backfired, lol. But the minors only had 6 or 7 guys play b/c we had to play 2 hours away on a sunday night, when our minor league team is mostly 16-18 year olds with a few exceptions. So most of them could not make the game for one reason or another. But as for me, I did not thrown one punch for the main reason of not wanting to get suspended but also b/c we had a short bench and with Billy already tossed and Ray having a 10 min misconduct penalty, I would have put our team down 3 or 4 guys right there, but I got tossed anyway. You win some, you lose some. But I hope I don't get suspended but we'll see what happens and see how the refs called the penalties. By the way Sully did dangle two guys and the goalie for our only goal in game 2, lol.
Beauchamp

whodere

02-19-2007, 05:16 PM

Have they decided on how long the suspensions will be. Who is suspended from both the growl and the grizzlies?

minutemen

02-19-2007, 05:48 PM

sorry Flynn, i did not mean to say you. I have no idea why I put your name. I meant to do Billy.

InlineMBA

02-19-2007, 06:33 PM

Mr. Flynn -

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion.

I stand by my original post regarding John's cross-checking episode vs. the Grizzlies on Sunday night.

You feel that I should be ashamed of myself. Trust me, I'm not.

Maybe I was remiss in using the term "dare". The context in which I used the term "dare" was meant more as a statement that I didn't think anyone would even attempt to say that what John did was right. It was not used to bait anyone.

Please feel free to contact me directly at [email protected] and we can discuss anything you like off this board, off the record, and just between the two of us.

Steve Inge

GROWL

02-19-2007, 06:52 PM

For the record that is all that I'm asking. Calling out the Growl to defend someone is simply asking to embarrass both our teams and a league that is working very hard to promote itself as the best option after youth tournament hockey. I appreciate your offer to discuss it privately, but as of now it is left in the hands of the league and our team managers to handle. I had a very professional conversation with Frank Benincasa today, in which we discussed a couple of similiar problems we both felt needed to be addressed. We passed along apologizes, on behalf of our respective organizations', to each other for a number of things that occured and we will move on. We are in the business of playing hockey and in no way is there any ill will between our clubs. There were players on both sides that were wrong to different degrees and I'm sure we all know who they are. I have confidence that Dennis and Frank will do everything in the future, as I will, to prevent anything like this from happening again. Much like I will never allow my players into talking me into running eight players ever again. I hope we can all bury this topic now and get back to better topics. Continued good luck to everyone!

Anthony Flynn
Philaelphia Growl

GROWL99

02-19-2007, 08:46 PM

I think the referees were put in a tough spot in the Growl, Grizzlies matchup, this weekend. Everyone needs to realize that with so much going on all over the rink, during a pro division game, not everything is going to be called. The games were very intense, and I think the reffs did a really good job of trying to communicate to both teams what they were seeing out there. They worked very hard to try to get as much right as they could, and on two occasions, even provided me, an assistant captain, an explanation of what they were, or were not calling on those specific plays. I think the players have to take responsiblity for their own actions during the context of the game, and play through adversity that happens during high level games. I am quite sure that if some of the guys on my team had the advantage of hindsight, they would've chose to stay in the game, and tried to help us sweep, rather than take themselves out of game, which ultimately cost us the opportunity to take home two victories. I'm not saying that Bobby Beauchamp is at fault for trying to stand up for a teammate, mind you, but I don't think it should've ever come to that. It will be very interesting to see how this turns out, and even more interesting if we should meet in the playoffs. One last thing, Ying is right that we should've dressed a few of the minor leaguers, even if they just sat on the bench. That is a mistake that our GM is steaming mad about. I would expect that will never happen again

vapor10

02-19-2007, 09:48 PM

On to bigger, better and more surprising stories of the weekend. . . Jimmy V took a slap shot against us this weekend . . . on the . . power . .play :confused: hahaha Good luck everyone

growl89

02-19-2007, 09:48 PM

well there are still a few things that bother me about the episode... keep in mind that i am a Growl player, But the referees should have stepped in and helped the Grizzlies goaltender out... thank god bobby b has a conscience or it could have gotten really bad... i understand that officials do not want to get hurt, but that could have been way worse for both players involved

the second thing, which is a hockey first, is a team talking an official out of a penalty, hand up, goalie pulled, ran at least a minute off the clock, there was a complaint, time was put back on the clock and no man advantage was given... in hindsight was it a penalty? who knows, but to have an arm raised, only to have it called back is a hockey first!!

i know i never take any penalties and all, but i just find it suprising b/c since the age of 12 i have argued every call against me and not one has ever been reversed!! i think this just gives me hope :D (i hope parts of this post are read with the sarcasm that it was wrote with)

Drexel63

02-19-2007, 11:01 PM

Where on earth is Justin Nazarenko when you need him???

I think all parties involved here... including and especially Mr. Inge and Mr. Flynn being the controlling members of their organizations, need to look very hard at what this discussion is accomplishing.

Everything that follows is my opinion, and based on that, I'm willing to hear anything anyone has to say regarding it...

Discussing the situation before a league review and assessment is not only irresponsible, but disrespectful to the league which everyone so eagerly defends as the best around. You are taking away the ability for the league administration to properly deal with this type of situation by making it openly public with sides of the story and partial accounts. The truth of the matter is that if this ordeal was as big as it sounds, not one person, whether you played, coached, reffed, or watched, could have possibly saw everything that happened second by second. It is the responsibility of the league to consult every necessary point of view before assessing suspension or other administrative penalty. It is also the responsibility of the owners and players to give the league a chance to do their job before flying off the handle in a public forum. This goes, in my opinion, not only for major situations like this, but for minor ones such as "new" rules consistency.

I fully understand that IHC is an open forum, where discussions like this have happened countless times before. I fully understand that many of the parties involved are close, and talk on a regular basis. But you should also understand that, when people go online for Roller Hockey, both PIHA players and random newcomers to the sport, they go to IHC. Don't believe me, google Roller Hockey or Inline Hockey and see what is #1 (You could even hit the "I'm feeling lucky button").

I also want you to know full well, who this opinion is coming from... I'm currently awaiting a decision on a 5min major for fighting from this weekend as well, quietly... I can promise you it will stay that way.

InlineMBA

02-19-2007, 11:37 PM

If I may, I'd like to set the record straight. I am not in any way a "controlling member" of the N.J. Grizzlies organization.

My son plays for the N.J. Grizzlies, so I am merely a spectator and my opinions on this message board are that of a spectator.

Denis Jelcis (GM/Owner) along with Frank Benincasa and Ken Peters are the coaches and the "controlling members" of the N.J. Grizzlies.

Thankfully, my son was not on the receiving end of John Mosenson's cross-checks. However, he very may well have been, and that scares the heck out of me. Sure, some may say, "hey, that's hockey". But rest assured, no, that was not hockey and I refuse to stick my head in the sand and pretend it never happened.

Let's wait and see what the league has to say.

Steve Inge

Drexel63

02-20-2007, 01:34 AM

Mr. Inge I apologize. I was working off an assumption from earlier posts that you were highly involved with the Grizzlies... That was a mistake which I hope doesn't take away from my point... you said it well...

Let's wait and see what the league has to say.

MDE3

02-20-2007, 03:02 AM

Reading through all these posts makes me hark back to all the discussions about "full contact" versus "non check" or whatever the politically correcty terminology is.

What happens in the "non contact" or limited contact game is just what we are seeing....deprived of any chance to use a good body check to settle some disputes, players begin to get more creative in their retaliations...and it escalates. As I have observed on many occasions in here...the "non contact game" ends up being much dirtier from what I have seen than the full contact version. Unfortunately so many refs have become accustomed to the chippy play that they simply let it go...it has been that way for so long. I would bet if you polled the refs, they would agree that the full contact games were less chippy than the non contact, with some exceptions where bench clearing brawls took place....due to laxer rules on fighting.

I still think the fighting has to be taken out...for the simple reason that allowing it in the rules, promoted teams keeping a goon on the squad. As long as the fights are "goon to goon"...well they knew why they were on the roster....however that was rarely the case in the old MRLH league, where I consistently saw "non fighters" getting totally hosed for some imaginary transgression...and I was embarrassed to be part of the audience watching it...a bully picking on the last kid on the rink who was going to fight and beating them so badly they should have gone to the hospital to be checked out afterwards...I digress a bit...

However mentioning the fighting is relevant, because where full contact is allowed, a player has the right to redress a percieved wrong within the rules....as opposed to having a "hit man" do it for them, or pulling some sort of cheap and dangerous stunt to get even(as in the non contact game)....much more within the true spirit of the sport.

With slew footing , heavy retaliatory cross checking and blatant slashing going on, the arguments about greater risk of injury in the full contact version becomes somewhat moot. As I have always said...there is a lot more cheap stuff in the noncontact version....and I saw at least as many injuries in PIHA games as I saw in MLRH or the limited games of the XIHL.

I remain relentlessy yours...Mike Egan

GROWL99

02-20-2007, 10:30 AM

On to bigger, better and more surprising stories of the weekend. . . Jimmy V took a slap shot against us this weekend . . . on the . . power . .play :confused: hahaha Good luck everyone

Actually had 2 one timers for goals the next day (on the power play). I guess I was just finding the range against you guys...lol

TheSnake22

02-20-2007, 11:23 AM

I concur with MDE about said difference between check and no-check. Something interesting that has been brought to my attention is that these problems we are experiencing are only occurring in the Mason-Dixon and Northeast divisions. All reports out of Colorado and St. Louis are that the officials and players are all on the same page and things almost never get anywhere close to out-of-hand like they seem to do about once each weekend here in the east. If these reports are false, feel free to correct me. But i think its interesting to note the difference. I think the most likely explanation is the larger geographical area that our divisions cover, and that styles differ from area to area. I think its clear that our eastern divisions need to make a better effort to be consistent from rink to rink. I don't think we're having problems because every team in the east is dirty or thin-skinned, but if you look at the score sheets, it certainly might appear that way...

GROWL

02-20-2007, 12:21 PM

I think all parties involved here... including and especially Mr. Inge and Mr. Flynn being the controlling members of their organizations, need to look very hard at what this discussion is accomplishing.

Bill,

Did you not read what I wrote??? The whole point was that I did not want to make this a public discussion.

Aston11

02-20-2007, 01:41 PM

Bobby I have a felling that the Goalie was throwing you around you little midget.

wheels15

02-20-2007, 11:23 PM

I just saw the score sheet from the game on sunday night. How do the grizzlies players get 2 min minors and the goalie got a 10 min. Me and moses each got fighting majors, plus moses got other penalites which he deserves. But the goalie and other players all dropped their gloves, including myself, the goalie threw the only punch, and I get the fighting major and he gets a minor penalty for slashing. Anyone else think that is kind of odd. I always thought it took two guys to fight anyway, but thats besides the point. I help out a teammate from getting jumped by two or three guys, I restrain myself from throwing a punch for the simple reason of not getting suspended, and I end up with the major for fighting. Guess thats the way refs decide to call things these days. If I knew I was gonna get suspended for all of this, I would not have held back like I did. All I am saying is that we got screwed here. Look at the scoresheet and figure it out for yourselves.
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growl89

02-20-2007, 11:35 PM

yeah bobby you kinda got shafted, i mean there was no punches thrown so no fighting majors should have been given out... but that will be for flynner to discuss with the league... let's keep it off of here for now until suspensions are handed out.

deno94

02-22-2007, 03:02 PM

Hello Everyone,

I normally do not comment on IHC, for the pure fact that it does not interest me. I have just about had it with the information everyone is getting. Lets get the story straight.

Game 1 Growl wins 4-2, 3 power play goals. Great Game.

Game 2 Grizzlies lead 2-1 with 10:17 remaining. #21 decides to take matters into his own hands. #17 gets involved. 2 players got ten misconducts, and the coach(in a jacket) who makes comments about MY organization without any facts, gets a bench minor penalty. Not enough players left to finish the game. Those players should be suspended by the league.

Suspensions are up to the league, so lets leave them to the league.

Frank Benincasa, Ken Peters and I run the PIHA Grizzlies. All comments should be directed to us, not Steve Inge. Steve is involved in our Youth teams, he is a parent of a player and has a right to comment, neutrally.

Lastly, the Grizzlies have nothing to apologize about, nor will they. The Growl have nothing to apologize about, their players lost their cool. If they can't come to realize that, then they are at fault.

Many of the players on both ends know me, and know that I don't up with bulls**t from our players, coaches or fans. Therefore, if anyone wants to accuse of us being "a dirty team" which is what the coach with the jacket on did, he can take that up with me. We don't condone it, never have and never will. Get your facts staight. Amazing what some competition and good games can do to people....Don't take away two great games from the players, they don't deserve that. Also, if you want to complain about officials, go through the right channels, not some comment forum. Please sign your name on posts, so people can comment to you directly, don't hide behind a name.

Thank you,

Denis Jelcic
New Jersey Grizzlies
Owner/General Manager