Lindenwood v.s. St. Charles CC

[BccCP33]

Big game.... chance to prove d3 strength

[MBurke]

I don't think anyone disputes D3 strength.

[missionhockey19]

im fat and out of shape...so im guessing not too much strength

[ISFN]

Mature comments, probably could of just not have said anything and it meant more.

But yes should be a very exciting game, last game 4-3 in favor of LU and as I was told was a very fast paced game with SCC scoring 2 goals late for the come back. This is the last time these 2 teams meet this season so should be a great game I know I'll be there watching.

[JLambertUMSL]

I know none of you guys want to hear it, but these are the two best teams in the country by far.

I'm really looking forward to Saturday's game.

St. Charles had a shot last time (January 20), but couldn't finish their early scoring chances. (I didn't see their comeback at the end; I went to get some Krispy Kreme when the score was 4-1 with about 3:00 left.)

They're looking stronger now than in the first semester, especially since adding Matt Johnson, who's one of the best freshmen around. Forwards Blake Propp and Gus Maloney were really good players last year - now they're legitimate stars. Defenseman Andy Meade is just as nasty and as solid as they come.

Lindenwood is as good as ever. If you took their newcomers and put them on any other team in the country, that team would be a national championship contender right away. Kyle Gouge, Brandon Barnette, Mike Thiefault, and Brian Ganz are all absolute studs.

Gouge (who just turned 19) might be the best college forward in the United States. That's an extremely bold statement, but wait until you see this kid play. OH MY LORD.

Brian Coleman is definitely the best goaltender in Great Plains. And they still have Fudge, Thompson, and Bruce....everyone knows those guys.

I'm really pumped to see this game. And I'm glad it isn't at 8 in the morning again.

[Leaferguy]

On a serious note, can someone tape it and put it on YouTube in pieces? I'd like to see the game...

[ISFN]

I know none of you guys want to hear it, but these are the two best teams in the country by far.

I'm really looking forward to Saturday's game.

St. Charles had a shot last time (January 20), but couldn't finish their early scoring chances. (I didn't see their comeback at the end; I went to get some Krispy Kreme when the score was 4-1 with about 3:00 left.)

They're looking stronger now than in the first semester, especially since adding Matt Johnson, who's one of the best freshmen around. Forwards Blake Propp and Gus Maloney were really good players last year - now they're legitimate stars. Defenseman Andy Meade is just as nasty and as solid as they come.

Lindenwood is as good as ever. If you took their newcomers and put them on any other team in the country, that team would be a national championship contender right away. Kyle Gouge, Brandon Barnette, Mike Thiefault, and Brian Ganz are all absolute studs.

Gouge (who just turned 19) might be the best college forward in the United States. That's an extremely bold statement, but wait until you see this kid play. OH MY LORD.

Brian Coleman is definitely the best goaltender in Great Plains. And they still have Fudge, Thompson, and Bruce....everyone knows those guys.

I'm really pumped to see this game. And I'm glad it isn't at 8 in the morning again.

Great Post now thats a reply people want to see/read about, if I had to guess the games most likly going to be a high (higher) scoring game then the last, seeing as its the last time these 2 teams meet I'm sure both will give it their all and hold nothing back, definitely going to be a ruff one for sure. SCC lost a few players at semester but that definitley didn't seem to hold them back last time, their starting goalie and a few other kids who I know know/remember are gone but I believe have a chance to come back for nationals, now I'm not a part of thier team or program so if I mentioned somthing that wasn't right or wasn't supposed to be known I appogize and if somone from their program wants it changed please let me know, but like James, I too will be in the stands for the game on saturday.


James I've seen a few videos on youtube.com , was that your work? if so fantastic job and I'm sure the rest of the hockey community would love to see some clips of this game if you had time during the weekend.

[JLambertUMSL]

On a serious note, can someone tape it and put it on YouTube in pieces? I'd like to see the game...

Sounds like a great idea...I'll do it. I don't have a lot of free time, but I'll try to get the video posted to YouTube as soon as possible after the game, maybe Saturday night. It should be exciting.

I just got back from the Snipers-Whalers PIHA games, featuring several players from Lindenwood and a couple from St. Charles (and three from UMSL :) ).

http://www.thepiha.com/game.php?game_id=68384
http://www.thepiha.com/game.php?game_id=68385

That's just about as good as it gets.

In PIHA, you can really start to see which college players are the real deal.

Thompson and Bruce put on a show every time they're out there. Just amazing.

Also, kudos to Adam Clarke (UMSL), who had a goal and an assist in the second game, and Jeff Perkins (SCCC?), who scored the OT game-winner. Both are true gamers...both forced to wear facial protection after taking too many high sticks...

Perkins definitely deserved to score the game-winner. He plays hard as hell, and was highly deserving of the 3-on-3 shift in OT. He made it count. It seems like every time I see him play in one of these PIHA games, he's getting run face-first into the boards or getting punched in the head. Looks like the work paid off tonight.

[Leaferguy]

In PIHA, you can really start to see which college players are the real deal.
I better make sure no one watches me play :D

Thanks for stepping up to do the taping! Even if it takes a while, I'd love to see it.

[thebenchman]

Great comments On Jeff Perkins! I have had the honor of coaching him in the past. It never quit and skates is butt off for you every time every shift. He is a fine young man with a great attitude and fine parents.

Congrats Jeff!!

Roy

[ISFN]

Best Game I've ever seen in 10 years, I'm callin for an end to the Lindenwood Dynasty and the "re-birth" of the St. Charles' Legacy.

Eager to read a write up Lambert, I read what you wrote on the ncrha web site and that was nice but don't think it gave any justice to the St.Charles Club.

Wait till you guys see the tape that hopefully James took it'll be something special (with a little spice at the end) and will definitely give some D1 teams some confidence.

If I get some time tomorrow at work I may write up a little something but I'm basically going to let the video speak for it self, absolutely amazing, St. Charles should definitely run away with the D3 title this year.

[STLhockey92]

lets be honest here... if you hadnt lost a game in over 60 tries, would you get a little complacent? i think that might be the case here. every year around this time, lindenwood gets a somewhat close game from some team. there isnt really much you can say except they always come out with a W. and...

ISFN, let me guess... you found the weakness in LU's team? gimme a break. when you see thompson, bruce, marchand, and fudge leaving the rink after the game dry from lack of effort, just think about what you just said. why put more effort forth than you have to, knowing that the outcome is going to be the same anyway. two years ago, Rolla held LU to a 3-2 game around this time of year. beating teams over and over again im sure gets very boring and it seems like they just go through the motions out there. i didn't see one notch of intensity out there from them. it seemed like they were calm and patient. LU has too much experience not even as a team but for most of the indivuduals that they have. players have won numerous national championships at all levels (ncrha, narch, torhs, world championships, and state wars). Watching game tape wont do anyone anygood. tell me how fast fudge looks on tape. the rest of roller hockey looks about as exciting as a croquet match on tv...speed kills...

and dont think im taking anything away from SCCC...At the same time, SCCC did play a great game against them. They should win d3, i just dont see them beating lindenwood anytime soon...or anyone else for that matter. and by soon, i dont mean anytime this decade.

[BccCP33]

St. Charles should definitely run away with the D3 title this year.

Do you mind if BCC plays them, before you crown St Charles? (i see they decided not to come to Lake Worth to play us)

[sanford]

is that video up somewhere. bored at work

[GoRangrHky]

Well if these players are bored playing for Lindenwood, why don't they go somewhere else? I'm sure winning is fun and all, but if you didn't have to work to get it, was it really all that fun? Every year at nationals, they go, get their trophy, and skate off looking like they just want to go home. Honestly, it's why I like the DII and DIII championships better (. You have people getting excited and and non-predetermined outcome. Seriously, if I were of their skill level (which I'm fairly sure everyone and their sister knows i'm not), I'd be grabbing two or three of my ridiculously good buddies, going to another school, and trying to do the same thing there that Lindenwood is doing now. As much as I many want to make some really good team at my school, noone on that Lindenwood team now is going to call me back going "sounds great, when can we start". They basically have to go do it themselves. But that's just not happening. It's up to the good players to go out and get more good players to come to your school to play, and building off of that.

[chapt90]

It might just be easier for another school to start recruiting the really good kids that are still in high school and take over in that way.

[ISFN]

lets be honest here... if you hadnt lost a game in over 60 tries, would you get a little complacent? i think that might be the case here. every year around this time, lindenwood gets a somewhat close game from some team. there isnt really much you can say except they always come out with a W. and...

ISFN, let me guess... you found the weakness in LU's team? gimme a break. when you see thompson, bruce, marchand, and fudge leaving the rink after the game dry from lack of effort, just think about what you just said. why put more effort forth than you have to, knowing that the outcome is going to be the same anyway. two years ago, Rolla held LU to a 3-2 game around this time of year. beating teams over and over again im sure gets very boring and it seems like they just go through the motions out there. i didn't see one notch of intensity out there from them. it seemed like they were calm and patient. LU has too much experience not even as a team but for most of the indivuduals that they have. players have won numerous national championships at all levels (ncrha, narch, torhs, world championships, and state wars). Watching game tape wont do anyone anygood. tell me how fast fudge looks on tape. the rest of roller hockey looks about as exciting as a croquet match on tv...speed kills...

and dont think im taking anything away from SCCC...At the same time, SCCC did play a great game against them. They should win d3, i just dont see them beating lindenwood anytime soon...or anyone else for that matter. and by soon, i dont mean anytime this decade.


WOW, the team hasn't lost a game in years and when they finally have some competition and a close game you come in with some excuses to why the game was close.

I'm assuming you were there and your honestly going to tell me they (LU) weren't trying? I believe they were actually down 2 or 3 times during the game and it wasn't just for a minute.

I root for all Great Plains teams all year long, but when a Team full of Big name recruits and kids from all over the country has TROUBLE yes TROUBLE with a group of "no name" community college kids I'm going to speak up and give the respect thats needed for those kids. Like I said early it was a great game best I've seen in 10 years, no need to try and ruin that or make excuses.

And I asked the SCC coach about their trip to Florida cause I was curious about you guys (Broward) and he said it was all planned and they were waiting on the announcement for Nationals, so when that came late they were forced to cancel the trip.

You really think the TEAM didn't want to go to Florida, if your looking for someone to blame it looks like its NCRHA.

[sduffy25]

It might just be easier for another school to start recruiting the really good kids that are still in high school and take over in that way.


True. Though that easier for some schools than it is for others. In the last two years, Drexel has been contacted by two extremely talented guys who are already very successful PIHA players, and both have slipped away because they weren't able to get into the school. We try to help them but as a club sport, we have zero pull.

I can't say I could blame a college player if he's one of the best in the country and he wants to go somewhere and win a national championship. At the same time, I agree with whoever made the point of "where's the challenge in that?" There's also the fact that some guys DO pick their school because of hockey. While I don't want to open up that debate again, the D1 winner being pre-crowned every year is gonna hurt other D1 schools trying to recruit. As a DII player, if a stud high school player told me he was considering Drexel or some DI school, my first marketing line would be "Well if you wanna win a national championship, forget playing DI unless you're going to Lindenwood." I'd be shocked if I was the only current or potential player who sees it that way.

[ISFN]

I've spoke with several D3 guys here in the Great Plains, and all I have to say is look for a big movement here in the next couple years, these top guys most likely wont be splitting up and definitely wont be attending LU.

[someaction]

Didn't see the game, but it doesn't sound too far-fetched to believe that it was just 2 good teams who played a close game. Out east, Towson has lost 3 of its last 5 regular season games. Down South, NC State went 0-4 last weekend. Both these teams were considered some of the top teams in their region, and have been struggling. So if you wanna think Lindenwood's reign is done and the cosmos will realign and parity will prevail in the NCRHA, go ahead. I, for one, just think it was a close game where SCCC played really well. Props to them.

[STLHockey]

WOW, the team hasn't lost a game in years and when they finally have some competition and a close game you come in with some excuses to why the game was close.

I'm assuming you were there and your honestly going to tell me they (LU) weren't trying? I believe they were actually down 2 or 3 times during the game and it wasn't just for a minute.

I root for all Great Plains teams all year long, but when a Team full of Big name recruits and kids from all over the country has TROUBLE yes TROUBLE with a group of "no name" community college kids I'm going to speak up and give the respect thats needed for those kids. Like I said early it was a great game best I've seen in 10 years, no need to try and ruin that or make excuses.

And I asked the SCC coach about their trip to Florida cause I was curious about you guys (Broward) and he said it was all planned and they were waiting on the announcement for Nationals, so when that came late they were forced to cancel the trip.

You really think the TEAM didn't want to go to Florida, if your looking for someone to blame it looks like its NCRHA.

"No Name Community College Kids" is definitely a stretch. A few of these kids played the Tour St Louis team that just beat the Mission Snipers at Winternationals and almost everyone on that roster plays PIHA.

St. Charles beat themselves in that game. With Meade shooting the puck at an LU player about 5 seconds after the buzzer went off, he of course was assessed a penalty. LU went on to score on the power play. I'm pretty sure LU buried every power play chance they had.

St. Charles also had a 4 on 2 which they failed to score on as well.

One other thing that stood out to me was with 16 seconds remaining in the game (St. Charles on the power play). We did St. Charles bring there goalie back into the game. Sure it is very slim chance of netting two goals in 16 seconds, but what do you have to lose. Score one goal right off the draw and you probably still have 12 seconds to try and get the next one. 6-4 or 7-4, who cares, you have to believe that you have a chance and go for it.

All these things being said St. Charles played very well especially there goaltender, and it was a great hockey game.

[ISFN]

Only one player (Propp) and their goalie (Hessman) who actually was a last minute pick up and wasn't even suppose to go, Team and did you know of either before they won narch ?

And I would definitely hope LU buried every power play with a goal, they have the best players in the Nation, it shouldn't be a problem then right. Its pretty bad when they have to get pp's just to score, 4 on 4 St.Charles won that one.

Again with the excuses.

[STLHockey]

Only one player and their goalie were on that Tour Team and did you know of either before they won narch ?

And I would definitely hope LU buried every power play with a goal, they have the best players in the Nation, it shouldn't be a problem then right. Its pretty bad when they have to get pp's just to score, 4 on 4 St.Charles won that one.

Again with the excuses.


Yes, I have seen Blake Propp play for Team Burly, Phat Tape, and Howell Central. and he has always been a great player. The goalie however, is new to me and really I hadn't seen him play until this year. He played phenominal in the game on Sat.

4 on 4 St. Charles won that one, might be one of the stupidest
things I have ever heard. Well, sometimes people take penalties and they go to the penalty box for 2 minutes. Special teams are part of the game and LU works well as a unit. They move the puck until they get a good look. All good roller hockey teams will kill you with a man advantage.

Who cares how many goals were scored on the power play or shorthanded, you have to play in all situations if you want to beat a team like LU.

[alex]

I wasn't at the game...but I find it hard to believe that Lindenwood wasn't trying, in a rematch against a team that nearly ended their incredibly long unbeaten streak back in January. I mean, I'm not saying the Lindenwood dynasty is on the downswing just because someone gave them a close game, they did still get the Win...but let's give SCCC the credit they deserve.

[alex]

"D1 winner being pre-crowned every year is gonna hurt other D1 schools trying to recruit."

I live out in Arizona and I'm organizing a club team for Arizona State University to start playing next season in the WCRHL. For me at least, the idea of an undefeated juggernaut like Lindenwood hasn't hurt recruiting, or convincing guys to go to ASU and play DI roller. If anything, a lot of guys are excited about the prospect of taking down the dynasty.
Now, don't read into that too far, I'm not saying we're going to beat Lindenwood next year, far from it. All I'm saying is that the fact that Lindenwood dominates every year doesn't necessarily drive guys away from DI like a lot of people seem to think it does. If anything, I've found that guys just want to play and the chance to play the best (even if they are undefeated for the past decade or whatever) is exciting not scary.

[ISFN]

Yes, I have seen Blake Propp play for Team Burly, Phat Tape, and Howell Central. and he has always been a great player. The goalie however, is new to me and really I hadn't seen him play until this year. He played phenominal in the game on Sat.

4 on 4 St. Charles won that one, might be one of the stupidest
things I have ever heard. Well, sometimes people take penalties and they go to the penalty box for 2 minutes. Special teams are part of the game and LU works well as a unit. They move the puck until they get a good look. All good roller hockey teams will kill you with a man advantage.

Who cares how many goals were scored on the power play or shorthanded, you have to play in all situations if you want to beat a team like LU.


Really that was the stupidest thing you ever heard, well looking at the box score LU scored 3 of their 5 goals on the PP, SCC didn't have any PP goals, so like I said SCC had 4 goals full strength to LU's 2, so yes SCC beat them full strength. That LU education is really coming threw for ya bud.


And why single out only one penalty.

Your arguing with me like I play for them, I don't I'm actually just friends with a couple of the players just like I am for LU, I just don't like people not giving the respect that is deserved.

This is all just making the release of the video even better, its like a cheap trailer, get ready boys.

[STLHockey]

Really that was the stupidest thing you ever heard, well looking at the box score LU scored 3 of their 5 goals on the PP, SCC didn't have any PP goals, so like I said SCC had 4 goals full strength to LU's 2, so yes SCC beat them full strength. That LU education is really coming threw for ya bud.


And why single out only one penalty.

Your arguing with me like I play for them, I don't I'm actually just friends with a couple of the players just like I am for LU, I just don't like people not giving the respect that is deserved.

This is all just making the release of the video even better, its like a cheap trailer, get ready boys.


Never went to LU, so I'm not sure if an education there would really come "through" for me or not. Sorry for the personal attack didn't mean it like that but statements like that, to me just seem useless. It is not like it was a three game series played all in one game, one game goes to the team who scores the most goals 4 on 4, another to the team who scores more powerplay goals, and third to the team who scores the most shorthanded. The bottom line is that the score was 6-4 at the end of the game no matter how the goals were scored.

St. Charles has a great team, and could be better with a decent coaching staff who actually knows the game. They probably have the best chance of anyone in beating LU and I think they will be the one to end the streak.

[STLHockey]

And why single out only one penalty.




I singled out that penalty because that was probably one of the stupidest things I had seen all weekend. All other penalties happened during the game, the penalty that I mentioned happened after the buzzer. This penalty was the most avoidable of the entire game.

[ISFN]

Well I'm not personally a friend of Meade but know of him and while watching that game I know he had to of stopped at least 10 scoring chances and I mean legitimate goals from being scored, rather it being a blocked shot or shutting down a 2 on 1, him and Propp probably played 3/4ths of the game easily.

On the other hand I did see him shoot the puck after the whistle, not sure if it was on purpose or not, If I were reffing I probably wouldn't of called it as it was on the ground and at that time SCC was leading so I cant see him doing it on purpose but never the less it was called and they scored on the PP, weak but you cant turn down a Powerplay.

[STLHockey]

Well I'm not personally a friend of Meade but know of him and while watching that game I know he had to of stopped at least 10 scoring chances and I mean legitimate goals from being scored, rather it being a blocked shot or shutting down a 2 on 1, him and Propp probably played 3/4ths of the game easily.

On the other hand I did see him shoot the puck after the whistle, not sure if it was on purpose or not, If I were reffing I probably wouldn't of called it as it was on the ground and at that time SCC was leading so I cant see him doing it on purpose but never the less it was called and they scored on the PP, weak but you cant turn down a Powerplay.

The kid is definitely a great player, but he does lose his head quite often. I'm going to say that he probably did shoot the puck at the LU player on purpose. While it was on the ground and definitely did not hurt anyone, it was definitely unnecessary and stupid. The ref made the right call there, because if they let it go that time then it will continue to happen.

[STLhockey92]

i hope this video is good... the clips on youtube.com just arent cutting it lately for a good laugh.

[chapt90]

i hope this video is good... the clips on youtube.com just arent cutting it lately for a good laugh.

give them a break to my knowledge they dont get paid or anything to make the videos, just be happy that they do it at all

[Arch Enemy]

St.Charles had a chance to win the game . But here's the problem.Lindenwood beats teams before they ever step on the floor. In talking to players from st charles before the game they sounded beaten. Talking to lindenwood guys they all said this will be a good game. St.Charles needs better coaching. Andy Meade is a good player but you can count on him doing something stupid every game, shooting the puck at the lindenwood player was so blatant there was no way the official could not call it.

Also you can't say what would have happened had lindenwood not gotten those powerplays, maybe they score 3 even strength goals instead. St. Charles also has an awful power play they try the same play over and over it's kinda like wearing red underarmour over and over and over.

[JLambertUMSL]

I didn't tape the game, one of the guys from our B team did. It'll be on the computer soon.

It was a great game.

Depth helps, and LU had it.

Blake Propp and Gus Maloney fought hard for everything they got. Those guys are phenomenal. Andy Meade and Matt Johnson are plenty talented too. But St. Charles wasn't deep enough.

LU had healthy scratches and B team guys who'd be playing a top-line role for anyone else, including St. Charles. LU is ridiculously deep. And their top guys are absolute world-class players, some of the best you could possibly find. They took this game over when they needed to. That's what I focused on in the article.

If you've watched Fudge play a lot, you've seen him do this. It never ceases to amaze. 2-2 playoff game at State Wars last year vs. North Carolina, it went to OT, he decided to go ahead and take the puck from the opening faceoff of OT all the way to the net and score. He almost did the same thing in the PIHA game Friday night. It's ridiculous. On Saturday, he definitely did what Travis Fudge does. That's why I focused on him in particular. He took over the game in a way that few are capable of.

I didn't mean not to give SCCC enough credit...but the bottom line is that LU brought the gamebreakers. That's why I wrote the game story the way I did (and I also needed to keep it simple and focused since I have so many things to do with my own team).

[ISFN]

Any update on the video?

[JLambertUMSL]

Any update on the video?

I'll find out tonight.

[BccCP33]

You know what would be nice right now? To watch this match up on Youtube.com .... Plan on putting it on the web sometime this decade?

I double dare you to do it

[alex]

I want to see video of this game like anyone else...but seriously giving a hard time to the people who taped it? They volunteered to do it, t's not like it's their job.

[BccCP33]

its just a little encouragement

Im free to verbally nudge anyone, " because im an American, and we're in America" - R. Bobby

[lightitup]

Hey BCCcp33, why don't you get someone to post ur game vs UF on youtube.. love to see it. Just wanting to know how you plan to stop st. charles if you cant stop the guys on UF lol

[BccCP33]

Hey BCCcp33, why don't you get someone to post ur game vs UF on youtube.. love to see it. Just wanting to know how you plan to stop st. charles if you cant stop the guys on UF lol

A) UF is a good team if you're doubting their abilities...

B) What would I care? You'd see a tired team of only 7 skaters against a full bench of rested players that actually practice, weekly. Look at that same weekend BTW. See how UF did against UCF (they tied 3 - 3). Now see how we faird against UCF... Yeah , we beat em, 5 - 2. Amazing what sleep and rest can do for a team....

+ We would know already, if SCCC had come to Florida @ Lake worth like they were scheduled too , now wouldnt we?

[Dave Garland]

I'm excited to watch the thrashings that occur because of message board postings (I'm serious)

Hopefully they put a mercy rule in for nationals..hah

[ISFN]

A) UF is a good team if you're doubting their abilities...

B) What would I care? You'd see a tired team of only 7 skaters against a full bench of rested players that actually practice, weekly. Look at that same weekend BTW. See how UF did against UCF (they tied 3 - 3). Now see how we faird against UCF... Yeah , we beat em, 5 - 2. Amazing what sleep and rest can do for a team....

+ We would know already, if SCCC had come to Florida @ Lake worth like they were scheduled too , now wouldnt we?


Your totally right about if SCC had come to Florida we would know, I just wish they wouldn't of been so scared to come to sunny florida for a vacation and hockey, wussies.;)

All joking aside BCC sounds like alot of talk for a first year team, you guys better be ready to play SCC is the strongest they've been in the past couple years. Have fun!

[bakerg81]

i think that since everyone on the message board is so good and so smart, we should actually just not play the games but decide national champions based on who can butcher the English language the most on these boards while still pretending that roller hockey is the most important thing in life and that if you can win the NCRHA your possibilities in life are endless.

[MBurke]

i think that since everyone on the message board is so good and so smart, we should actually just not play the games but decide national champions based on who can butcher the English language the most on these boards while still pretending that roller hockey is the most important thing in life and that if you can win the NCRHA your possibilities in life are endless.

Early favorite for 2007 Post of the Year

[alex]

i think that since everyone on the message board is so good and so smart, we should actually just not play the games but decide national champions based on who can butcher the English language the most on these boards while still pretending that roller hockey is the most important thing in life and that if you can win the NCRHA your possibilities in life are endless.

Nothing wrong with a little trash talking to make the games more interesting. Or with thinking roller hockey is the most important thing in life, for that matter.

[RustyPipes27]

Wait...roller hockey isn't the most important thing in the world?!? I'm confused.

[BccCP33]

Your totally right about if SCC had come to Florida we would know, I just wish they wouldn't of been so scared to come to sunny florida for a vacation and hockey, wussies.;)

All joking aside BCC sounds like alot of talk for a first year team, you guys better be ready to play SCC is the strongest they've been in the past couple years. Have fun!

You sound a little defensive ... I never even said we'd be able to beat them. I know how good Lindenwood is and that SCCC is just about their equal.

I realize SCCC had to cancel for reasons related to the late release of nationals site or bids or w/e it was, no one called them scaredy cats. But the fact is that evry1 would already have a barometer of what to expect, come naitonals..

Also, does my Post name say TEAM BCC? No it does not. It says BccCP33, I'm an individual, w/ individual thoughts. Im no T.O. or Ocho Cinco, but I can say what I like, being that this is a message board. Our team is no slouch though..

[ISFN]

Well I'm a great plains guy, their a great plains team, what more is there to say:).

But no I just said that because that wasn't the first time you've brought up the SCC/Florida tournament/deal. You as well as any kid should know if it was up to the players of SCC or any team that they most certainly wouldn't turn down a trip to Florida even if they thought they "might" lose or face some competion and it just seems like your suggesting that.

[alex]

Wait...roller hockey isn't the most important thing in the world?!? I'm confused.

Of course it is!

[lightitup]

Iam doubting UF cause I personally know everyone on UF and know that there no good. St charles CC have a very solid group of skaters when you do not. Your just one of those goalies who likes starting **** that he can't save.

[James Lambert]

Sorry, I pretty much forgot about that video for a while, since I've spent most of the last five days doing PIHA stuff.

If it were on my camcorder (actually "my" camcorder is my dad's, if you must know), it would already be put on the computer (not mine, since my computer sucks and doesn't have a firewire port, but someone else's computer -- which is the ridiculous arrangement I have to make every time I do this).

But I didn't tape it, and I still don't have it yet. Obtaining it and posting it would be higher on my list of priorities if I didn't have so much other stuff going on.

I'll do my best.

[BccCP33]

Iam doubting UF cause I personally know everyone on UF and know that there no good. St charles CC have a very solid group of skaters when you do not. Your just one of those goalies who likes starting **** that he can't save.

you're a joke. thanks for the good laugh. You sound pretty arrogant, u might wanna tone it down. I don't think UF would take too kindly to you saying that they basicly suck... when they in fact, do not.

BTW, Who do u play for? what number?

And don't let the stats you see on the website fool you... Our team is offensive minded - its just in their nature and I didnt even play the first half of the season - so dont evaluate a team you've never seen play. Its a bad strategy

[RustyPipes27]

Why don't you two just go on a date already and get it over with?

Shut up and let your play speak for yourself. I mean seriously...a little bit of trash talking is all in good fun, but you two are just annoying.

[William Bourque]

And don't let the stats you see on the website fool you... Our team is offensive minded - its just in their nature and I didnt even play the first half of the season - so dont evaluate a team you've never seen play. Its a bad strategy


Well, since i haven't seen your team play, i can only go off of common opponents seen this season. And since that doesn't do any good for me either sine you haven't played a team, i have to go to something even worse...common opponents of your common opponents.

(Please don't get offended)

Army and Millersville are the only two ECRHA teams to play in the SECRHL...Millersville went 2-1-1...and Tied Miami...a team that FLorida International had beaten and you went 0-1-2 against. So by that judgement, your probably a few goals better than a Millersville, if not their equal, just based on scores alone. Millersville did not make the playoffs in ECRHA DII when 12 teams make it.

Additonally, FIU beat Army 8-6 and 6-5 in overtime. Army finished the ECRHA season 4-11-1 and failed to make the playoffs in a "weak" Division I.

With your 0-1-2 record against FIU, i find it a little hard to think that you are better than a team like St. Charles, who i haven't watched play games this season.

However, i did watch Lindenwood spank Towson, and i heard 1st hand descriptions of the Nassau and Suffolk games (damn working at the other rink). I would say that Towson, Nassau and Suffolk would be Army 9 outa 10 times. Nassau 12 Army 2, Suffolk 15 Army 2.

I know its hard to say that your better than X team or not better since you never took the floor against that team, but just off of scores alone i would think that you aren't up to the par of St. Charles.

Hope i didn't offend you or anyone else for that matter and you can take my viewpoints from an objective approach because it has no effect on me either way.


-Bill

[ISFN]

Well, since i haven't seen your team play, i can only go off of common opponents seen this season. And since that doesn't do any good for me either sine you haven't played a team, i have to go to something even worse...common opponents of your common opponents.

(Please don't get offended)

Army and Millersville are the only two ECRHA teams to play in the SECRHL...Millersville went 2-1-1...and Tied Miami...a team that FLorida International had beaten and you went 0-1-2 against. So by that judgement, your probably a few goals better than a Millersville, if not their equal, just based on scores alone. Millersville did not make the playoffs in ECRHA DII when 12 teams make it.

Additonally, FIU beat Army 8-6 and 6-5 in overtime. Army finished the ECRHA season 4-11-1 and failed to make the playoffs in a "weak" Division I.

With your 0-1-2 record against FIU, i find it a little hard to think that you are better than a team like St. Charles, who i haven't watched play games this season.

However, i did watch Lindenwood spank Towson, and i heard 1st hand descriptions of the Nassau and Suffolk games (damn working at the other rink). I would say that Towson, Nassau and Suffolk would be Army 9 outa 10 times. Nassau 12 Army 2, Suffolk 15 Army 2.

I know its hard to say that your better than X team or not better since you never took the floor against that team, but just off of scores alone i would think that you aren't up to the par of St. Charles.

Hope i didn't offend you or anyone else for that matter and you can take my viewpoints from an objective approach because it has no effect on me either way.


-Bill


wow!

Impressive

[DGlass]

Yeah...Bill has no life.

[William Bourque]

hey, in my defense, i am in the laundry room with nothing else to do but watch the world series of poker on ESPN...

but on top of that, i reread that post that i wrote...

wow i suck at life...

[BccCP33]

Well, since i haven't seen your team play, i can only go off of common opponents seen this season. And since that doesn't do any good for me either sine you haven't played a team, i have to go to something even worse...common opponents of your common opponents.

(Please don't get offended)

Army and Millersville are the only two ECRHA teams to play in the SECRHL...Millersville went 2-1-1...and Tied Miami...a team that FLorida International had beaten and you went 0-1-2 against. So by that judgement, your probably a few goals better than a Millersville, if not their equal, just based on scores alone. Millersville did not make the playoffs in ECRHA DII when 12 teams make it.

Additonally, FIU beat Army 8-6 and 6-5 in overtime. Army finished the ECRHA season 4-11-1 and failed to make the playoffs in a "weak" Division I.

With your 0-1-2 record against FIU, i find it a little hard to think that you are better than a team like St. Charles, who i haven't watched play games this season.

However, i did watch Lindenwood spank Towson, and i heard 1st hand descriptions of the Nassau and Suffolk games (damn working at the other rink). I would say that Towson, Nassau and Suffolk would be Army 9 outa 10 times. Nassau 12 Army 2, Suffolk 15 Army 2.

I know its hard to say that your better than X team or not better since you never took the floor against that team, but just off of scores alone i would think that you aren't up to the par of St. Charles.

Hope i didn't offend you or anyone else for that matter and you can take my viewpoints from an objective approach because it has no effect on me either way.


-Bill

#1) Where, when, and to who did i say we were better than SCCC ( ?)

"Millersville went 2-1-1...and Tied Miami...a team that FLorida International had beaten and you went 0-1-2 against."

Millersville played miami, tampa, emory, and elon, correct?

News flash (sorry teams): they all suck, the fact that they went 2 -1-1 means zilch.

There is no way to say this nicely, but I'd say we'd lay the wood to Millersville pretty bad, actually. Throw that "few goals better" theory out the window.

And yeah, FIU beat Miami. What is your point ? We beat them too (With goalies who havent seen any competion close to that of the NCRHA)

We've played FIU 3 times (and like i said I've only played 1/2 the season), I've only played them once... we tied, it wasnt a good game for either team.

But look at how many points FIU has come up with (30pts, tied for 1st in a good confrence). They (and this goes along w/ being able to actually watch/ study a team play) never play them same game. They play to the ability of the other team. Army got the same performance.

I'm not gunna lie, you kinda dogged us right there. This is my response from a defensive viewpoint.

[dan sangiorgio]

army took FIU to OT... i have seen army play and no offense to them but i am sure a team like SCCC would get them by about 15 goals as suffolk a d3 team in the ecrha did eariler this year. so i think what mr bourque is saying if you are playing to 7-7 ties and losing to FIU a team that can hardly beat army you might be in trouble when u play SCCC and some of the other d3 teams. I have never seen you guys play and don't have anything against your team i just think that most people who have been to nationals and seen the d3 teams play know how high a level it is. As a first year team you are gonna have to prove yourself that you can play at that level so untill you actully play a game out there you will be underdogs.

[Macdaddy18]

Sorry this is off topic. I just wanted to make a comment, and after we can all get back to the topic on hand of this BCC and St charles bit.

Bourqe: "Additonally, FIU beat Army 8-6 and 6-5 in overtime. Army finished the ECRHA season 4-11-1 and failed to make the playoffs in a "weak" Division I."

I know this is taken out of context, but I'm not so sure you can call Division 1 weak. There are some teams that certainly don't belong in the league at that level, but I think the best teams certainly are of a level one could call Division 1. There are certainly though some teams in Division 2 that really should be Division 1; but alas we have the silly system of school size to decide what division a school is. That is certainly something that should be changed (look at the NCAA. There are many schools that wouldn't fit the profile of a big Division 1 school, but yet have very capable athletic programs competing at that level). If college roller hockey really wants to move up, they need to at least let some of the better teams in to higher divisions. But then again, that isn't easy because who's to say that teams will be consistently better. Still though, I think it should be considered. But back to the point I was making to begin with, you may have been using the word weak lightly (as seen with the "), but I just thought I'd comment on that as this is a topic of debate for many here. I think a more accurate way to look at it is, D2 is good and the teams as a whole are very consistent in the level of talent throughout, with the exception of Nuemann. D1 however, is not as consistent in talent, but the top teams are certainly of a Division 1 level. I would say the best teams of D1 are better than the best teams of D2 (exception being Neumann again), and D2 on a whole is better than the worst teams of D1. It'd be nice if we could find a happy medium and somehow make it all more consistent.

[MBurke]

ANY Division II team has the option to move up to DI. NCRHA would not and does not block that.

[William Bourque]

MacDaddy18 - i was reffering to the fact that the ECRHA DI teams are considered a weak Division I league. Where ECRHA DII teams are considered strong. The MCRHL is a strong Division I league, but a weak DII league. I used """ since there isnt much cross regional play. Not a statement for the whole NCRHA.

[William Bourque]

We've played FIU 3 times (and like i said I've only played 1/2 the season), I've only played them once... we tied, it wasnt a good game for either team.

But look at how many points FIU has come up with (30pts, tied for 1st in a good confrence). They (and this goes along w/ being able to actually watch/ study a team play) never play them same game. They play to the ability of the other team. Army got the same performance.

I'm not gunna lie, you kinda dogged us right there. This is my response from a defensive viewpoint.


My point wasnt you sepecificlly that said you could beat SCCC. My point was that a reason people has the viewpoint you can't hang with SCC.

If you play a team to a tie once. Then it can be called a bad game. But when you play them again, it losses that creditbility. If you turn around and beat FIU 9-4, then i could buy into the bad game theory. But since you played 3 times i can't. You have an even team as them. And in two games they played the same way against Army, and if i recall were forced to play into overtime.

Not that you played Army, and no offense to those guys. But the DIII teams they played mercied them. But a DI team you tied, were forced to win close games with them. This gives me the idea that your not on the same page as Nassau and Suffolk, let alone SCCC.

Your team will have their chance to prove themselves at nationals this year. But i wont be picking your team as a team to beat until you show that you can beat the top dogs.

Riverside was told they couldnt compete 2 years ago at the national level. They showed most of the doubters wrong, but still fell short to SCCC. The next season Riverside came back and won the national championship.

I hope that clears up a little of what i was saying.

[BccCP33]

My point wasnt you sepecificlly that said you could beat SCCC. My point was that a reason people has the viewpoint you can't hang with SCC.

If you play a team to a tie once. Then it can be called a bad game. But when you play them again, it losses that creditbility. If you turn around and beat FIU 9-4, then i could buy into the bad game theory. But since you played 3 times i can't. You have an even team as them. And in two games they played the same way against Army, and if i recall were forced to play into overtime.

Not that you played Army, and no offense to those guys. But the DIII teams they played mercied them. But a DI team you tied, were forced to win close games with them. This gives me the idea that your not on the same page as Nassau and Suffolk, let alone SCCC.

Your team will have their chance to prove themselves at nationals this year. But i wont be picking your team as a team to beat until you show that you can beat the top dogs.

Riverside was told they couldnt compete 2 years ago at the national level. They showed most of the doubters wrong, but still fell short to SCCC. The next season Riverside came back and won the national championship.

I hope that clears up a little of what i was saying.

The only idea you should have is that FIU isnt an allstar team out there, but look at the scores of their games and then see how many points they've amassed (i hate having to repeat a point..). All of their games are close because THEY PLAY TO THE LEVEL OF THE TEAM THEY'RE PLAYING, unless they completly break down( a bad game perhaps) or they're playing a bad team in which case its prolly a blow out.

Next, I ONLY PLAYED THEM 1 TIME. UNO. not "again". I didnt play them a second time to lose any credibility. I play goalie, it makes a big difference. If I was a forward or defenseman it really wouldnt matter as much. But like I said , I only played them one time.. and trust me, it was a bad game. We dont have another opportunity to play them again this season. I joined our team in Feb @ Beachton, GA... prior to that out team had stand in goalies who had not seen this kind of competion , hense the higher scoring on our part to give our team a chance to win the game. We've scored 159 goals and given up 111 which would probably be the most in each catagory (GA and GF) for D3. But our team is for lack of a better word offensive minded.

So, ya know, we'll see what we can do at naiotnals.

[ISFN]

Here just a little fuel....


Suffolk County GP-16 GF 128 GA 57 3.5 GAA 8 GoalsForPerGame

St. Charles CC GP-17 GF 127 GA 36 2.1 GAA 7.4 GFPG

Broward CC GP-20 GF 159 GA 111 5.5 GAA 7.9 GFPG

Evergreen GP-18 GF 111 GA 91 5 GAA 6 GFPG

And this is really off-topic but just by looking at these numbers and oppents faced and all other stats I'm going to have to call for a Suffolk VS. SCC final, unless Florida CC All Stars step it up, we'll see :)

[William Bourque]

The only idea you should have is that FIU isnt an allstar team out there, but look at the scores of their games and then see how many points they've amassed (i hate having to repeat a point..). All of their games are close because THEY PLAY TO THE LEVEL OF THE TEAM THEY'RE PLAYING, unless they completly break down( a bad game perhaps) or they're playing a bad team in which case its prolly a blow out.

Next, I ONLY PLAYED THEM 1 TIME. UNO. not "again". I didnt play them a second time to lose any credibility. I play goalie, it makes a big difference. If I was a forward or defenseman it really wouldnt matter as much. But like I said , I only played them one time.. and trust me, it was a bad game. We dont have another opportunity to play them again this season. I joined our team in Feb @ Beachton, GA... prior to that out team had stand in goalies who had not seen this kind of competion , hense the higher scoring on our part to give our team a chance to win the game. We've scored 159 goals and given up 111 which would probably be the most in each catagory (GA and GF) for D3. But our team is for lack of a better word offensive minded.

So, ya know, we'll see what we can do at naiotnals.

It seems your just discrediting FIU. Shame. If you can play up to the level of All-Star teams, does that not mean your good?

Granted, you individually played 1 game against FIU. But your team played 3 games. This is a team sport.

[BccCP33]

It seems your just discrediting FIU. Shame. If you can play up to the level of All-Star teams, does that not mean your good?

Granted, you individually played 1 game against FIU. But your team played 3 games. This is a team sport.

No it seems im talking to a brick wall and should stop wasting my time on a 2 on 1 matter ( me and you and then ISFN chiming in " yeah" every so often).

Yep thats exactly what it means, we suck. keep thinking that , please.

This is a team sport. You need a complete team to play against another , good, complete team ... which for 1/2 the saeason, we were not a complete team, yet still managed to have 28 points.

[FIUHockey10]

No it seems im talking to a brick wall and should stop wasting my time on a 2 on 1 matter ( me and you and then ISFN chiming in " yeah" every so often).

Yep thats exactly what it means, we suck. keep thinking that , please.

This is a team sport. You need a complete team to play against another , good, complete team ... which for 1/2 the saeason, we were not a complete team, yet still managed to have 28 points.

For the record, FIU did not have its full team down in Key West. We were missing our top scorer, and five regulars total. We actually brought a couple of B players that weekend, so we could have 8 skaters. Even then, we went unbeaten, with only a tie on Sat morning to CU, mostly because the whole team was out partying on duval st. until 4am the night before.

Bottom line, indoors, and with our entire team, every game is more like the sat night playoff game against CU. I am sure the same would have happened if any of the other top teams in SECRHL (UF, UCF, NCSU, BCC...) had gone in our place that weekend.

Watch out for the Southeast in St. Louis...

[BccCP33]

For the record, FIU did not have its full team down in Key West. We were missing our top scorer, and five regulars total. We actually brought a couple of B players that weekend, so we could have 8 skaters. Even then, we went unbeaten, with only a tie on Sat morning to CU, mostly because the whole team was out partying on duval st. until 4am the night before.

Bottom line, indoors, and with our entire team, every game is more like the sat night playoff game against CU. I am sure the same would have happened if any of the other top teams in SECRHL (UF, UCF, NCSU, BCC...) had gone in our place that weekend.

Watch out for the Southeast in St. Louis...

THANK YOU, FIU.

If word of mouth isn't good enough, then I don't know what to tell you.

[ISFN]

For the record, FIU did not have its full team down in Key West. We were missing our top scorer, and five regulars total. We actually brought a couple of B players that weekend, so we could have 8 skaters. Even then, we went unbeaten, with only a tie on Sat morning to CU, mostly because the whole team was out partying on duval st. until 4am the night before.

Bottom line, indoors, and with our entire team, every game is more like the sat night playoff game against CU. I am sure the same would have happened if any of the other top teams in SECRHL (UF, UCF, NCSU, BCC...) had gone in our place that weekend.

Watch out for the Southeast in St. Louis...


Yea I've been watchin the past couple years actually, havn't seen to much:)

[William Bourque]

Yea I've been watchin the past couple years actually, havn't seen to much:)


Acutally, in defense of the SECRHL...they have the top DI region in the country the past four years. (i figured this out at the end of national last year)

SECRHL - 49-34-4 2 national runner ups, 2 final fours, 8 elite 8


THis is based off of games at nationals only. Not including games against your own region.

[JLambertUMSL]

For heaven's sake, enough f-ing excuses already!

If you can't get all your players, all your good players, your starting goaltender, your coach, your water bottles, or whatever else, to an event, then either:

a) Don't play.
b) Play your best, and don't make a bunch of whiny-ass excuses!!

%*$#@!&. How annoying.

[CUDangled]

All this s*** talking is entertaining. I can't wait until Nationals are over and a certain someone has to start eating a lot of his own words... ;)

[BccCP33]

All this s*** talking is entertaining. I can't wait until Nationals are over and a certain someone has to start eating a lot of his own words... ;)

There arent any words to be eaten. I never claimed we we're better than any D3 team in the NCHRA. I cant wait until u can handle the opinions of others, it'll show you're tolerant and a grown up.

[CUDangled]

Bcc...why are you so defensive. I didn't mention your name. There are serveral people making bold claims in this thread. I was making a generalization. Leave it at that.

Trust me...I know who you are...you don't know who I am...lets not start bringing maturity level into the conversation. I probably went to my senior prom when you were still in diapers.

I am not trying to talk trash, or challenge people. This is a message board for Christ sake. Don't ruin another one. I was simply saying this thread is entertaining...and there are a lot of "comments" that will be tested in St. Louis.

I am just a guy who loves the game, trying to kill some time at work. I like these boards and how you can share your thoughts and stay anonymous. The trash talking has its place, I guess...it just isn't for me.

[ISFN]

Any word on the video?

[James Lambert]

Any word on the video?


I'll check on it. Sorry...if I had any of my own equipment it would have been up weeks ago.

(Hopefully soon I'll be replacing my worthless piece of crap computer and won't have to use someone else's to do video stuff.)