Weekend Scores: Jan 12-14

[GROWL]

Anyone have scores from this weekend yet:

[cus32]

Inferno vs. Fury

Minors

Fury 5-4 ot
Fury 6-4

Pro

Inferno 5-4 in 1st OT (Gene Spadaro penalty shot)
Inferno 4-3 in 1st OT

Looking at the standings, these were two big wins for the Inferno Pro team.

Although the Flyers aren't a PIHA team (barely an NHL team). Did they beat the Kansas City Penguins? That shot was at you Flynn.

MarCus # 32

[BanditsCoachRus]

Marple at Pittsburgh(pro)- Bandits won all 4, don't have the scores handy, long long day!!

Broomall at Pittsburgh(Minor) Bandits won first game in ot--- Gladiators won second game in ot

[GROWL]

Cus I'm numb to Flyers abuse. They are so bad that there is nothing you can say that I already havent. Good wins, sounds like I missed some exciting games.

As for the Pitt/Glads games. It was posted here that the Bandits won all four, but on the site it is posted that they won only three of four.

[born2runPROgm]

thats a mistake, we didn't post those scores so I don't know if they're right.

[BanditsCoachRus]

The PIHA site is wrong, the pro def won all 4 and the minors split both in ot. Today the pro's beat Fury both games, and minors won both there games vs the fury

[GROWL]

Everything appears to have been fixed. Only score missing is the second Marple/Scottsdale Game. Good job to everyone this weekend.

[SobeS]

the piha site is wrong about feasterville fury record..
we have 2 overtime Ls.. they gave them as regular losses
pitts. bandits look like they can take it all:eek:

[BanditsCoachRus]

The site is also wrong about the Bandits Minor record. On Saturday. we split with the Gladiators, both of our teams losing in overtime. If yo look at the records, there is no ot lose for us(Bandits) not for the Glads.
Great hockey this weekend though!!!

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

That all gets changed once the scoresheets are put in. All the home team has to do is put them in and the games will show correctly on the standings.

[GROWL]

Jeff is correct. In order for the OTL points to show up, the game sheets need to be put in by the home teams. The OT goal is what will tell the site to give the OTL point.

[Center_ice]

Too avoid all these issues, would it not make sense for the league to input all stats.

[GROWL]

That would take even longer and would be a ton of work for any one person to do. It is the responsibility of the home team to get the scoresheets up. If they can't get the whole sheet up right away, they should do there best to at least get the scores in ASAP. The leagues job is to monitor the job the home teams do and deal with any conflicts that arrise in the process. We are working toward a system one day that will input statistics as they happen, but that is probably a little while away.

[Center_ice]

I understand that your current set up is through the home teams to get this done, but don't you pay league fees for this type of stuff?

In general most leagues have people for this type of function, that does help to in sure that it gets done the right way.

Some are paid and some volunteer.

[CoachClipboard]

Scratches my chin, grins, then chuckles, then laughs hysterically!
Shakes head (volunteers) uh huh.

[Defense1st]

Mr. Flynn,
That "system" as you called it which allows the scores to be put in as they occur is called Pointstreak. Or I believe Mike Burke ran a system for State Wars in its first year that had live updates and scrolling scores as they happened.

It is not to difficult.........or too expensive and would help accross the board; for the league and for every facility the league plays in. It would also give either hosting company (Pointstreak or the other one that Mike used) great publicity to be associated with your league.

Phil Steur

[William Bourque]

PowerPlayStats has the capability to put scores in online as they happen...

It isn't a very complex system...

All it requires is an internet connection and computer in the scorekeepers box...

The NCRHA uses this at the NCT every year...

[Center_ice]

Coachclipboard, since you are scratching your head on the volunteer comment, tell us do you volunteer your time to be the lead guy for the mason dixon division or does the league pay you for that prestigious position?

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

Todd or Coach Clipboard spends a lot of time volunteering for the league specifically the Mason Dixon division. As the owner of the Feasterville Fury I have spent numerous hours on the phone with Todd just discussing things regarding this league. Don't question him when it comes to volunteering as he puts in a lot of his free time in this league and especially our division.

Todd thank you for doing what you do for absolutely no reason other than the fact that you care about the growth of our sport.

Jeff Haze

[Center_ice]

Jeff, No one was questioning the the time he volunteers, please read the previous post so you can understand where this conversations was going. He made a comment bascially stating that no one volunteers. My point was to point out how much time he puts in for free being a Volunteer. I would never question what he does for the league or roller hockey in general just trying to make a point. Fact is that the league takes in enough money to paid someone to post stats/scores.

[Center_ice]

Jeff, I don't think you are following the conversation here. No one is questioning what coachclipboard does for your league. I made a comment about the league doing the stats and said that maybe they should find someone paid or volunteer to do all the sats to aleviate any problems. He made crack about the volunteering part of my post, so I simply wanted to point how much he does for the league and for roller hockey in general as a VOLUNTEER. While I realize it is very unlikely that anyone would ever volunteer for a such a huge undertaking, it was the point to say that maybe the league should handle it since most leagues do this themselves.

Jeff, It helps if you go back and read the previous post before commenting on a particular post. This is not a big deal, so please don't turn it in to one.

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

I apologize center ice I took your post out of context. I have been reading this thread through and I took it as you questioning his integrity and implying that he was getting paid. Sorry for jumping on it like that. Regarding the stats things all teams have volunteers who do this stuff. Unfortunately some of the volunteers need a little more time to get the stats up, but for the most parts teams have been good about it. I know I have one guy in my organization who does it for me and gets it done within 48 hours of game completion. Without all of the volunteers I have my team would not be running a successful organization.

[GROWL]

What needs to be understood here is that we are working toward a day when this will be better then it is right now. If you have followed the league over the past five years, you would have seen a drastic improvement on game sheet posting every single year. I guarentee you that if we had someone doing it from the league, we would just have a whole set of new problems. The same people that dont get the sheets in asap, might be the same people that don't fax them in on time. I'd also like to point out that there are 13 new teams that have played so far this year, none of which have probably done this before and not to mention the whole powerplay system is new to all of us. Figuring this all in, it has been fairly smooth thus far. There are also pleanty of league officials and tech people monitoring things to check for errors and help anyone who needs it. Let's change the topic to something that we can influence....teams submitting more articles.

[CoachClipboard]

Center Ice - I will explain my crack about the laughter on the volunteer or paid position of stat keeping or any other position in PIHA. Although I dont think it warrants any explanation. It was not a personal attack at you as I dont know who you are being you are new here with your 4 total posts. Instead it was a goof post of mine on the general misconception of how things operate in a "professional league" be it PIHA, and I imagine MLRH, or even previous now defunct leagues.

Do you realize just how hard it is to get volunteers for any organization? Be it team, league, or whatever? I coach and help manage the Lunatics organization. There is no money involved in regards to payment. This league in general is this way. It operates not on a shoestring, but a thread. Money comes from the players itself primarily, with (if youre lucky) some small outside sponsorship. Along with that shoestring budget, is a tiny handful of volunteers. And those volunteers are very few and far between. I mean, like virtually non-existant. There is not a long line of people knocking on the PIHA door to "volunteer" to do anything. Its hard enough at the team level to get people to "volunteer".

So when I read your comments about volunteering and paying someone to accomplish something I chuckle, laugh, scratch my head, because its not just that simple. Each team has to put their stats into the system, as was explained. I am that guy for the Lunatics that sits at the computer after each game late into the night. Mike Burke did a fabulous job hooking up the league with the powerplay stats system, and it is fairly simple to do, but it is tedious. Why? Because there are two games for each team, pro and minor, (two minor teams with the Lunatics or 6 games to enter) and that is 4 scoresheets with lots of stats, time of goals, penalties, and shots on goal. Taking your time is crucial, because if you screw up a single stat, your own players will hang you for it, and you will be back into the system adjusting. The process to add my six scoresheets takes me about two hours of time. That said, if we turn it over to a "volunteer", that person will be at the whim of getting those scoresheets in some manner from each team across the league (31 teams) in a timely fashion, which as most of us know, never comes at a timely fashion, in fact some teams need to be called and or reminded. 31 teams, each with a minor team, now 62 teams, playing 2 games each night for 16 events, or a total of 32 games each. This comes to about 800 or 900 man hours of statistics. (Im generalizing here)

Im not volunteering for this! Thats ludacris, I cant imagine the cost to pay someone to do it on the shoestring budget. People have their own jobs besides what they do with the sport. This job would kill an entire weekend each weekend. I dont forsee anyone "volunteering" to do this.

You commented on my "prestigious position" of Mason Dixon coordinator. It is entirely volunteer. It is not a position so much as a coordinator job. If you look at the title of the "position coordinator" you should understand that the word coordinator is in it. Its not "Director" "Chief" "President" or any other number of lofty titles. Coordinating is the guy that calls each team to give league info from the league officials (certainly not me), makes sure teams are turning in score info to the website, and posting timely articles about their team to keep website content fresh. Thus far I have had to do very little as the Mason Dixon division is doing a marvelous job of keeping things going on their own and writing some incredible material about their games and events. I did not originally want to do this, because I am the head coach of an organization, and didnt think it was in the best interest of PIHA or the Lunatics to be involved at any capacity. I took it only under the auspices that I make no decissions or judgement whatsoever that would or could cast a favorable light on my organization, because I know that getting someone to volunteer to do this would be nearly impossible and I want this league to work. I will receive not a single dime for this. I hope thus far I am doing an adequette job. I have no position other than phone/email boy and messenger. I make suggestions to the leagues team owners that I hope will better help them to operate their teams more effectively. Things like "coordinating". I knew by volunteering this, I would hear this type of comment or questioning at some point during the season, thats a give in, the nature of humanity. I would just hope that people understand that volunteering sometimes brings that, and by seeing this type of response to the job itself wont become discouraged to volunteer, because this is what you can expect. Volunteering sucks, flat out. But its necessary at times. Perhaps this is the reason it comes so involuntary and with great hesitation. Thank you Jeff by the way for your support and equally hard work, along with all of the teams owners and coaches. It is working with you all that I get my reward.

[SPORTSPLEXJEFF]

Todd as our coordinator you have made my job easier as you have always been available when I needed to ask you a question. You have taken on a task of messenger boy as you called it and are taking it as not only that but as a position with a lot of pride involved.

Regarding volunteering as I said previously without my volunteers my organization would fail. Everyone works a full time job and still finds time to do this. I personally know that if I add up all the hours that are spent by myself and my 2 other heads of my organization that we spend approximately 30-40 hours a week working on stuff for our team. Ask anybody in my organization what my day was like yesterday after our team returned home from Pittsburgh and they will tell you that I took a day off of work and spent 6 hours on my cell phone dealing with issues for my team. I don't have any financial gain for running this team in fact more or less I am operating at a personal loss. To elaborate on that not only is it financial but I spend a lot of time with this team instead of spending it with my fiance, family and friends. In the end they all understand why I do it. I have made numerous friends through my organization as well throughout this league and would never change what I did to be here.

Here is quote I have learned to live by.

"Sometimes you have to give to receive!"

I give my time heart and soul to my team and would never change that.

If anybody out there understands that Mr. Anthony Flynn sure does. When I was involved with the Growl organization he was always busy doing something for the team. He gives his time heart and soul to his team and they are a successful organization because of it. Most organizations only have one person doing this I am fortunate enough to have 2 top notch people with me along with about 10 other volunteers. We all do it for personal satisfaction.

Sorry for the long winded tirade just felt I needed to get it out there to the world.

Good luck the rest of the season to all teams.

Lets Go Fury!!!!

Jeff Haze
President of the Feasterville Fury

[Center_ice]

coachclipboard, When you say that the PIHA is operating on a shoestring budget are you refering to teams or the organization itself. I have no doubt that the teams are operating on a shoestring budget, but the league itself?

I was not indicating that you should be the one to do the score sheets nor was I serious about your "prestigious" position as a coordinator, jk as you were.

All I was trying to say was that maybe there was an easier way.

But hey why fix the wheel if it isn't broken, right.

[FrankFrank]

CenterIce... Trust me, the system we have in place now isn't That bad. Now granted the Typhoon has only had one game, but I had the stats up by noon the next day after wrapping up games at midnite. I remember in the MLRH a couple years ago when there was a central person that collected teh stats and put them up. You wouldn't see correct stats for at least a week or 2 because you'd have to Fax in the offical score sheets. And getting the teams to fax in teh score sheets was half the trick. TRUST ME... what we have right now... Much better then the past.

Frank~Frank
#21 York Typhoon

[CoachClipboard]

Center Ice~ I have no clue what the budget of the league encompasses. Im sure if you contacted the league you could find out some of those facts. I imagine that it goes towards: Referee Per Diem for to cover some of their travel expenses, as many officials travel at times for hours to their assigned event, and often times having to stay in hotels. Referees are supplied uniforms which if you have ever priced referee shirts and pants see that they are not cheap whatsoever. League Media and the Leagues website must be taken care of. Much of the money I suppose would go to fund the all star games which will be held in Colorado for the pros, with an all star team having to travel Im sure wont be an inexpensive venture, take into account that the rink time for that event must be paid for, and the rink time for all of the divisions individual minor league all star events, and all playoff games pro and minor must be paid for through the league. As a manager of one of the leagues facilities, I can assure you that rink time does not come free, or my bosses would put a cease to PIHA involvement. The finals for the Pro Championship are supposed to be played, from all accounts as I understand them, in Disney, Orlando, Fla. this spring. I seriously doubt Disney is fronting that expense. Organizational Expenses besides this comes into account as well for miscelaneous needs. Paperwork, phone bills, and whatever else it takes to make things work, must be paid for.

I know that each of my players in Harrisburg paid about 300 each to play this season. That includes practice floor time each week the entire season that must be paid for, and team expenses and equipment. What is left goes to the league fees, and each home team pays the officials. As you can imagine its not much left to give them, yet that 300 dollars covers everything. Break that down to 32 games a season. That is about $9 a game per player. Many house leagues cost more than that. Yes, shoestring budget for the league as well as the team. The cool thing is?? It works!!! People power makes it work.

[Center_ice]

Thanks guys for your input, there is always more to it than what meets the eye.

[kicksave60]

if the home teams does it, then what are they waiting for? the games were played this PAST weekend. It's almost wednesday and the dang ole thing is still not updated all the way. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!!

[cus32]

Everyone keep in mind that the league fees are still very minimal for the hockey that the players get (refering to an earlier post). It is the home teams' responsiblity to enter the game sheets. The team that loses in OT does not get the point until the home team enters the game sheets in the PIHA stat website. Please be patient until the game sheets get entered. With the new stat site, it takes about 12 minutes to get one game entered, hence, 4 pro games and 4 minor games over 2 days (a weekend)= 96 minutes entering data. Way too much time for an owner or manager with a family to waste his time entering data so someone can be happy to see his one goal he scored over the weekend. Until this league or teams gets the funding to hire statisticians, just relax.

Like I said, be patient, we all want to make sure that it is entered correctly.

Marcus
Inferno

[MBurke]

Speaking from the web end of things, we DO have the capability to have scores and other things updated live. The main problem is that many facilities either don't have a reliable internet connection, don't have wireless, or don't have anyone with the know-how to set such a connection up.

I know there is interest in that and you can probably expect to see a lot of teams moving to doing things that way by next season since it eliminates the need for the statistician and data entry following the game.

As many others have said in this thread - it'll get there. Just takes time.

[kicksave60]

Is it still the HOME teams responsibly to log in the scoresheets? Just wondering because it's thursday and it's still not updated? Just wondering where my one goal is, just wondering:)