State of Hockey

[honesty]

Hockey is a rough sport, but some things have never been excepted, like spearing and checks from behind and any other actions that have nothing but the "intent to injure" behind them. Well, it appears now it is accepted by the only large and organized inline league in the country, PIHA. It appears the Professional Inline Harrisburg Association is back to proving its just as incompetent as the embarrassing MLRH. Its these leagues' incompetence that prevents the popularity of Inline from spreading and the reason Ice Hockey continues to be hockey of choice for most kids in this country. Way to go PIHA, way to make a another statement to your incompetence.

[minutemen]

Do not knock the league because of one bad experience. If you are talking about one bad call or something that was not called than you should keep quiet. In any Pro legues, calls are missed and bad calls are made. Do you even play PIHA? If you do atleast have your info posted on your post name. The league has some issues but it is definiltey a great league to play in. And what Pro league does not have their own issues. NHL just got off strike, MLB has a steroid issue, etc. And in all these sports officiating is always a problem. In MLb why does the strike zone change each day in a series, because each umpire has their own strike zone. All I am saying is do not knock the league. There are alot of people trying to make it happen, and we do not need people like you trying to ruin it or give it a bad name. Wrong statement to put it in the same sentence as MLRH. Totally 2 different leagues in all aspects.

Morristown Minutemen Pro Minor Hockey Organization.

[wolves89]

while this is a brutal post, you are obviously a player who was speared or checked from behind. I think you have a point, but i think you went about bringing it up the wrong way. I do not think PIHA is incompetent at all, some of the officials, maybe. I think there is one thing that you are over-looking, money. Are these the best refs at every game, no, not even close. But who is going to do it if they do not? Once, and hopefully, when the league picks up major sponsors it will enable the league to pay more money to the officials, bringing foward a better quality official.

This is not a knock on any of the refs that work for PIHA, it just has to do with experience of officiating top-notch games. Some of the teams in this league are really good, some of the officials may have a hard time keeping up, it is not thier fault. They are just not used to the pace, that comes with experience.

I know that i am a big fan of hating officials, but refs always miss something, from mites, all the way to the pros, in both ice and roller hockey. If you would like to pay for top-notch officials to be flown in for these games, then by all means do it, cause for you to say the league is bad because you got speared is rediculous. As of next season it will be the only real league left to play in, so either get on the ship, or go play house league.

i'm not slow, i'm patient

[minutemen]

Bill, I totally agree with evrything you said. You made great points. It is a great league and it is the only one. Well see you tomorrow, have a safe trip to Pitt, it stinks we have to travel all the way out there. Good luck.

Morristown Minutemen Pro Minor Hockey Organization.

[honesty]

My problem is not with the officials.....they are not the ones that hand down suspension. My problems stems with the league office. As long as decisions look bias and hap-hazard legitimacy is not something the league will ever have. I have never had a problem with the on rink officials, they can't make decisions on the spot about what should and should not be a suspension.

[honesty]

I will neither agree or disagree with your statements. Just remember to open your eyes and be sure to look at everything that has happaned and will happen. No league can be a true league until the owners, not one man, makes the decisions. As long as one or two men own and run the league, just as with MLRH, nothing but problems can occur.

[minutemen]

I agree with that statement. But I think that is what Charlie has planned for the future. Or at least I hope. There are many things to be worked out, and yes everyone has to come together and make decisions. I own the rink that the Minutemen play at. For my adult leagues I do not make the decisions on suspensions. I have my head ref make those decisions. I believe that Hausman make the suspensions but I am not positive. Anyway have to leave to go to Pitts to play in the play offs. I hope you did not take anything personal, I am sure that you do have a point, I just do not know your situation.

Morristown Minutemen Pro Minor Hockey Organization.

[wolves89]

good luck to you as well, be safe on the over 5 hour drive! i'm leaving at like 6-7 am

i'm not slow, i'm patient

[wolves89]

my mistake i must've misunderstood your post, i now understand what you mean after re-reading it and i think there are biases in this league, but hey we have to over-come them ya know. I was faced with the opposite situation last season where i was suspended for 4 games, and it cost me from playing in the playoffs, for a pretty bogus ruling to be honest, but hey gotta move on, we won anyways, and this league is thriving and i want to be a part of it when it gets huge, bottom line, unless you get hurt from an intentional stick or check from behind and there's no call, then you have a case. Otherwise, its a tough call...

i'm not slow, i'm patient

[born2runPROgm]

PIHA has been making baby steps for the past 4 years... The steps that will take place over the summer (expanding west and north) will be considerably larger... Charlie has done a tremendous job, and what he does he does for the game. People never seem to look at the positives... only pointing out the negatives... PIHA is finishing a very sucessful campaign. How often have any of the other leagues been able to say that?
The league is expanding and your right, the powers that be will need more help (and I'm sure they'll get it).
We've all been at the wrong end of executive decisions... we have to be thankful for what we have (the one and only highly successful league) and do whatever we can to help it grow..... Don't bash the integrity of this league. Consider the competition when doing so.
Thats my two cents....

"The defenseman formerly known as #11"

[89jettawolfs]

first off you should state your incident instead of just bashing the league. it sounds like you are pissed about an incident that happened either to you or a teammate. And what is with the Professional Inline Harrisburg Association. Is that a mistake or is that a crack at our team. While the refs had planety of issues this year. there were a few that couldn't keep up with the play in the minor leadue games much less the pro's. There was one i remember who couldn't even stop. we had some chippy games this year but only one that really got out of hand. And none that i would call dirty.

[wolves89]

good points

[33]

here's a suggestion...get out of the league if you don't like it. we do not need mouthpieces like you degrading this league. it is the best thing out there and you're on here saying stuff like this. go manage/assistant coach/water boy...whatever it is you do somewhere else. this is the first i'm seeing this thread and it is ludicrous. "professional inline harrisburg association"...you really don't want to go there. this is a joke!

[BLaZiNTiC22]

HaHa cant believe people are b**chin about dirty play and other stuff along those lines. If anyone has the right to complain about stuff like that it would be me. My arm was broken on a dirty play and not once have I ever bashed anyone about it. Also anyone that says that it wasn't a dirty play is full of ****. There was other players of the league in the stands watching that seen the hit and will agree. On top off it all there was never even a call made on the play. People need to quit crying and if they don't like what's going on in our league, then leave.

"Pain Heals,Chicks dig scars,Glory lasts forever"

[honesty]

What was the dirty hit? Is it possible that you skated into a guy who just has better balance and is stronger? Its like if any of us skated into Steve Ying, the result would be ugly for most of us, with Steve not being at fault....he is just bigger and solid on his skates.

[honesty]

First, let me start by saying I probably dropped the ball when I made statements that can be interpreted as "personal". I regret my bonehead decision to write a post when I was angry, instead of waiting till I cooled off. That being said, you need to read my post again and see the valid point I have made. Bottom line, some things need to be said. Everyone in the league needs to question things more and not just let things go. If the league doesn't want negative press, it shouldn't allow spears, especially to the face. It took care of Billy for his spear last year, yet when it involves a player from another team run by a man of influence in the Inline Hockey world the league just states that it will deal with it later. How can anyone argue that a kid who spears someone in the face should be allowed back in the league? That should not be a decision that needs to be thought about and how could anyone argue to the contrary? If the league makes a call like that I and everyone else in PIHA and hockey in general should call it on its mistake. PIHA is a leader in the inline world, with that role comes responsibility----the responsibility to say to everyone that some actions will never be tolerated in hockey. I feel that PIHA, by delaying a decision, has failed to do that and in some ways made the statement that the incident was not as sever as it was.

[CoachClipboard]

I was on the bench standing directly in front of the collision. Yes, it was a collision, without doubt. And I am sure that balance and strength was a contributor to Dave becoming injured as a result of said collision. (One player being smaller than the other) Very astute of you Mark to point out the effects of common physics to everyone. What you may have not seen from your angle on your bench, was a fully extended right knee that dave was initially trying to avoid and ultimately had to extend his own right arm out towards that players shoulder to push away and avoid it. In doing so, his arm (being that he is, according to you "weaker" and less "balanced??") folded from the impact and snapped the bone. While I dont know if the extended knee was intentional or if it was just that player turning towards daves direction to make the play (as we all know turning to the right the right knee and foot leads going into a turn ***some physics fun for you Mark***) I do know as a witness five feet away that it was in fact extended.

This player who extended the knee, I will personally not bash for doing so, as he is a pretty classy player, I believe is beyond that type of play. I would hope that it was not done with intention, and I do believe this gentleman apologized. This is not an attack in anyway on this player or on you Mark. I am merely stating what I had seen as a witness. That Dave is angry I can completely understand, going through having titanium plates and screws put into his arm as a result, and quite possibly the end to his playing a sport he loves. I believe though that his post was more related to the ammount of incessant whining that goes on in this forum from one particular team of players, and how the rest of the league generally just plays the game and shuts up about it ...win or lose.

You dont like being labeled as the so called "Evil Empire", and you wonder why the animosity exists. Sit back, reflect, and read some of your own ramblings and crybaby comments.

In regards to the player that hit Flynn in the face with the stick. That "Punk" should never again play PIHA at any age.

[honesty]

My post must have been mis-read, my bad. I wasn't passing judgment on the kid. If you ask him who ran out as he was being lifted into the ambulance it was me. If the player stuck out his knee as you said he did, and that is the reason he hit the other player awkwardly then that is fu**ed up and I'm sorry he did something like stick out his knee.

As far as the Evil Empire label, I don't mind that at all. I don't mind animosity either. I would hope people would continue to criticize the things the Growl does that they don't like---that is a good thing, it makes sure that people call us on our SH**, and everyone has a right to voice their displeasure. I will never tell anyone to shut up if they are criticizing the Growl. I have not said a single thing on this post in my life until Flynn got slashed in the face, because I felt that if the league was going to fail to address such a sever event, I would make sure everyone knew about it and was forced to read about it over and over. Its something that affects us all......

Again, sorry if my post about "physics" pissed you off, was not the intention.....

[yokes]

I think that this "kid" mistaken Flynn for a piece of drywall, maybe??? Would someone buy that man a tanning package?!?!?

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[wolves89]

lol

i'm not slow, i'm patient

[honesty]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[89jettawolfs]

can you be serous about anything Yokes. But about the subject at hand, i think that this incident is overshadowing the play that is happening right now. the playoffs resume next weekend with the east finals and minor finals. Maybe the league would rather wait until the season ends and then deal with the said player. that player's team was knocked out of the playoffs so it's not as if he is going to play next weekend. I'm sure the league will deal with the situation when the season ends . Until then we should all wait and let the league handle this. But i do agree that severe action should be taken against the player.