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BigTymeSniper33
08-10-2001, 07:57 PM
Does anyone know about the people who are running this league. I'm interested in knowing if anyone has any opinions on this new proto "pro" league.

dapost22
08-10-2001, 08:33 PM
Isn't NARHL is little too close to NARCh?

North American Roller Hockey League and North American Roller Hockey Championships?

Get the legal pitbulls on em NARCh.

calihockey
08-10-2001, 09:06 PM
Actually I got a Power Point Presentation from the league and have had email contact with the league. They seem to have realized what other pro leagues didn't. Number of cities isnt the problem. Trying to do too much too quick is. 10 Thou cash prize is a good start. It becomes more financially do-able for teams. Like I have said before, I you want to have a real professional roller hockey league, every owner needs to realize that there will be 5-10 years where they will see little or no profits. I hope this does work out. Pro Roller has it's place. I believe that This league should help promote NARCh and visa versa. It would be great for roller hockey.

SpeedDemon
08-11-2001, 02:35 PM
The league is being formed by, among other people, member/GM's of the Marple Gladiators and Philadelphia Firebirds from this past MLRH season.

Personally, I would like to see a league succeed. Probably, this one will do like the others because without a heirarchical system, feeder program, or set system of doing things, pro roller hockey will never succeed.

SD

John_S_Osborne
08-13-2001, 01:20 PM
SD -- You have a point. But, I mean, if you look at other pro sports, systems like those you're talking about didn't build themselves in a day. We didn't start professional baseball with AAA, AA, and A league as well; they built themselves along the way.

I think the NARHL has some very solid leadership in the folks from Marple. They really put on a great show for the AAA finals, despite the plans to use a fake Colorado team that we've all read about (speaking of which, doesn't that sound like a pro wrestling story line? is raue in the right business?). With the small amount of details that are available right now about the league, I think all is looking good.

The cash prize and the higher team fees should attract some better caliber players. Also, with the home rinks getting 100% of the gate, teams will be able to bring in and pay high quality players if they are able to get a solid draw.



- John S. Osborne
Secretary, Drexel U. Roller Hockey Club
LAL Director, ECRHA

hockeystar985
08-14-2001, 01:07 AM
Actually My team is planning on playing this season in the Narhl. The rep came to our rink in Ny and had a very impressive package and plan. Give them a call they will send a guy out. The more teams that get involved will just help the sport grow.

ggriffaw
08-14-2001, 02:45 PM
Do they have a website?

TOM
08-14-2001, 03:43 PM
They do its
www.NARHL.com

ggriffaw
08-14-2001, 04:29 PM
Has anyone heard what regions teams will be in? Will they play in rinks that have 1,000-2,000 seats?

BigTymeSniper33
08-14-2001, 11:54 PM
I was curious if former MLRH teams were just going to join the NARHL or split up and reform. Also interested to know if anyone has heard players like Ziggy and Dennis Bonvie will be playing in this league also.

John_S_Osborne
08-15-2001, 09:44 AM
As I understand, the MLRH teams joining out of the Eastern Conference thus far are:

Baltimore Bulldogs
D.C. Voltage
Hampton Roads Destroyers
Marple Gladiators
New Jersey Scorpions
New Jersey Riot*
Philadelphia Firebirds
Williamsburg Warriors

Not sure about Fairfax or Fredericksburg. The Riot may or may not split into two teams. I understand there is a faction of players from the Riot planning to enter their own team (which would require them to find a different rink to play out of).

The New Jersey Sandstorm (of MLRH-AA) are planning to join the NARHL as well. Jamie DiDimenico is currently looking for NY teams, particularly teams on LI, so if you're interested up there, I'd get in touch with him.

I do not know if the teams will be holding new tryout sessions or workouts for roster additions. It sounds as though Marple will not be altering their roster much, but I don't know about other teams.

- John S. Osborne
Secretary, Drexel U. Roller Hockey Club
LAL Director, ECRHA

dcdawgs
08-15-2001, 11:14 AM
I just spoke to the league yesterday, and they said that the teams from MLRH-AAA in Penn. will join, like Marple, etc. They said that The DC Voltage, Baltimore Bulldogs, and Fairfax Falcons, are going to join in as one team, that way there will be only one team in the D.C. area.
They also told me that players will most likely not get paid to play the first season, except the $10,000 at the end of the season. However, some teams like Marple who can draw a good fan base, will have an opportunity to pay their top notch players.
It is looking good for these guys, starting out slow, and building upon that. I hope that it can succeed.
Josh

John_S_Osborne
08-15-2001, 12:57 PM
Players getting paid is very interesting. First, because it would take alot of management on the parts of the hosting rinks to know that they are financially stable enough to be able to pay players. For example, Marple typically outdrew all the other rinks for the MLRH-AAA season, so they would feasibily be the first team to be able to compensate players. But, I worry for upstart facilities and those facilities out in the middle of nowhere who will not be getting a large gate.

Could Marple become like the New York Yankees of roller hockey? I mean, they got about 350-400 folks for the championship game at $5/each. You do the math. If they could draw a steady 200 people throughout a 16 game season, that's $16k in gate revenues alone! They do also sell merchandise like jerseys, pictures, t-shirts, etc. and they have a concession stand at the arena. So, like I said, if anyone is going to be paying players, it's going to be them.

Also, from my perspective from college roller hockey, any college player participating in the league would have to forgoe any sort of reimbursement or stipend for their playing on a team in the league, because it would void their college eligibility by current CRHL guidelines. This issue was cleared up to let a handful of ECRHA/CRHL-MAR players to compete in the MLRH-AAA, and will probably have to be revisited for the NARHL.

- John S. Osborne
Secretary, Drexel U. Roller Hockey Club
LAL Director, ECRHA

Benny_Gulakiw
08-16-2001, 01:05 PM
I wanted to throw my two cents in on this thread. I had a long phone conversation with league officials. I did so for two reasons. First, the Buffalo Wings are always looking into new "pro" leagues in our efforts to restart our pro team. Second, because of this, we have been making efforts to start our own "pro" league based in the Great Lakes region and I wanted to see if we were going to conflict with the NARHL or if we could work together. After talking to league officials and reading as much as I could about the new league, I have formed several opinions.

First, I feel they have the best chance of any recent start-up league to succeed. I've heard a lot about how successful the Marple Gladiators have been and because the NARHL officials come from that organization, they should do very well and will instantly command a higher degree of respect than if anyone else was involved. It appears, on the surface, that they will be using a pretty sound business model, but I can't say for sure because I haven't received all the details yet. Also, they will fill a void when and if last rights are ever given to MLRH-AAA.

With that said, here are my concerns, and they're minor ones. First, when I talked to league officials, they were more concerned with telling me about the bells and whistles. I found out all about their graphics arts department and all the posters and banners I was going to receive but I didn't get too much information on hardcore issues like referees and how certain expenses were going to be covered. Also who some of the other franchises were and who their owners were (although it did appear that most of the teams signing up were former MLRH-AAA teams). From my past experiences in the old pro leagues, this was the kind of information I was looking for as a prospective new member of their league.

Second, I'm a little concerned about them calling themselves a "pro" league. Again, without having received any detailed information from the league yet, I can only speculate, but it appears that most of the players will not be getting paid. There is a $10k prize for the winning team, but every other team that doesn't win gets nothing. And if you think about it, $10k for a 16 game season and a 20 man roster (max) works out to $500 per player for the entire season for the winning team (it could obviously be more if you have less players on your roster). Now, the fact that teams have the option of paying their players is a disaster waiting to happen. Yes, you'll get a team that would become the Yankees of roller hockey but that kind of thing will distroy the league. Many new leagues (and some established leagues) are becoming "single entity leagues" or are establishing a salary cap to control player salaries. Although there is prize money involved and the players have the ability to get paid and therefore the league is technically a "pro" league, I believe people are thinking it will be a traditional pro league and I don't feel that it is. As I said before, it is a minor concern and it's probably a result of my background and from getting burned so many times before in the past.

With that said and before anyone jumps down my throat, I am supporting the new league. It sounds like to me (without having received any further information yet) that they have the building blocks to establish a foundation for success. As long as they do what they say and don't promise things they can't deliver, they'll do alright. There is definitely a need for a league at that level (semi-pro or AAA or whatever), especially in that region. The Buffalo Wings will not be joining the NARHL for the coming season by mutual consent. In order for the league to keep expenses down, they are accepting teams within a 2-3 hour driving distance. Because most of the teams already signed-up are in the tri-state area (NY, NJ, PA) and Atlantic coast (DC, MD, VA) the Wings fall outside that area.

That is why the Wings have been in the process of forming a similar type of league in the Great Lakes region. I have been working on this throughout the summer. When I just heard about NARHL, my iniitial reaction was "good", save me the trouble and the Wings will just join the NARHL. But when I found about their scope and intial geographic area, I decided to continue with my efforts to form our own league.

The new league is tentatively called Inline Hockey America and will be the elite division of the Great Lakes Inline Hockey Association. The GLIHA will be an association of regional amateur roller hockey leagues similar to the Wings league. I am looking to establish the GLIHA with up to 8 cities. The cities I am targeting are Buffalo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Cincinnati, Detroit, Grand Rapids and Toronto. Once an amateur roller hockey league joins the Association, then they will form an elite team to compete in Inline Hockey America. This league will feature the best of the best and will play by traditional pro rules (checking, fighting, four quarters, offsides, etc.) and will not be called a pro league because I don't anticipate the players being paid per game in the first year, although there is the thought to offer prize money from a pool where all players receive a percentage based on their performance throughout the season. We anticipate a 14 game season (each team plays the other twice) and would play during the summer. We are hoping that by requiring that each IHA team be a part of an established amateur roller hockey organization, then they will automatically have a solid foundation to build off of. There will be the financial support from the house leagues and each individual amatuer league can use their IHA team as incentive to promote the house leagues and develop their own home-grown stars of the future. My hope is for the IHA to grow to become the new "pro" league (in a more traditional sense) that everyone has been asking for. I definitely think that there is a place for both the IHA and the NARHL.

As you can see, there are some difference between the NARHL and the IHA. I don't believe the two will conflict and we have already established a line of mutual cooperation. An official announcement hasn't been made about the GLIHA or IHA because I am still working out the details. The GLIHA and IHA are being starting and operated by the Buffalo Wings with myself being the lead person in this so hopefully our reputation will give us a higher level if respect just as the Marple Gladiators are doing for the NARHL. The Buffalo Wings is not creating the GLIHA or the IHA to make money. We are doing this first to establish a vehicle for cooperation among other similar amateur roller hockeys leagues in our geographic area and to form a new elite league for the Wings to compete in with the hopes that it becomes a new "pro" league. If anyone would like to know more about the Great Lakes Inline Hockey Association and Inline Hockey America you can contact me directly at [email protected]

Benny Gulakiw
Vice President of Operations
Buffalo Wings Roller Hockey

John_S_Osborne
08-17-2001, 03:28 PM
Benny,

Is there any possible way of merging the NARHL and IHA "under the same house" as two different divisions or conferences of the same league?

Maybe not now but in the future perhaps?

- John S. Osborne
Secretary, Drexel U. Roller Hockey Club
LAL Director, ECRHA

Benny_Gulakiw
08-17-2001, 04:23 PM
Hi John,

I had a long conversation with an NARHL official and that was something that was brought up and is a distinct possibility for the future. One of the important things for any new league is to keep expenses down. One of the largest expenses is travel. The NARHL is trying to keep their travel to 2-1/2 to 3 hours and we're trying to keep ours to about 4 hours.

There are some other differences between our two leagues. The main one is that the NARHL is scheduled to play in the Spring and the IHA is scheduled to play in the Summer. My understanding is they are playing in the Spring because they feel they get more attendance during that time. The IHA will play in the summer because of the availability of inline rinks (most rinks in the G.L. region have ice up until April) and players. The differences in the schedule may hinder a future merger but it may also lead to other possibilities of mutual cooperation in other forms.

Benny Gulakiw
Vice President of Operations
Buffalo Wings Roller Hockey