MLRH Issues

[Bluevisor19Work]

I have been reading alot of complaints about how poorly the league is run. I am a player for the Charlotte Outlawz. I also own a part of the team. when I bought in to this, Bill R. insisted we have insurance and told us it costs 1500. We paid and he mailed the policy to the place we play.

I got the policy and filed it away assuming I didnt have to look at it. The other day I looked at it and noticed different font in one section and what appeared to be whited out dates filled over with a typewriter. Needless to say, I was shocked.

So I call the Insurance company who issued the policy and they informed me that the policy has BEEN CANCELLED SINCE 2003. During either one of our home games, if someone was hurt, Myself and Street would have been FINISHED !! SO . . .

If we want to continue our season, I have to drain our bank account to get us a policy we paid Bill for. I also have to now Sew Bill and report him to The Insurance Comissioner of North Carolina. To top it all off, Im an Insuance agent and could have written my own policy for cheaper. Plus its a poor idea to mess with an Insurance Agent's Insurance policy.

I see the future of this league sinking like the Titanic. I love full contact, but I would rather play house league then put up with shady people trying to screw you for a buck. I was warned about Bill by an old friend, should have heeded his advice . . .

Ortega

[wolves89]

if this is infact true, the league should fold almost instantly... hopefully someone can look into this a little further, cause if someone gets seriously hurt, they are screwed!

i'm not slow, i'm patient

[Bluevisor19Work]

Each team is supposed to have their own policy on the facility they play in ( if sponsored by the facility, im sure they have it ). If anyone in the league has a policy Thru TIG Insurance purchased through the league, make sure your policy is active. My Fake policy was produced by K & K Insurance group in Fort Wayne ( 800-426-2289 ). The policy # is SSP3922195900 . If this is also your policy #, your in the same boat as us, and should find other insurance immediatley.

I think this season will have to be finished even if it is by the teams themselves and not the league. I know we personally have sponsorship obligations to keep. I hate to do all this to a league I was totally in to, but I refuse to stand by and watch as I go down in flames for his actions.

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ??? Oh yea, its me !!

[hockeynuts]

WoW

[SpiderRat]

Heres a suggestion, get the facts first before blasting Bill on an open forum. Call Bill if you have an issue. Granted there has been some issues with the league, but I can hardly blame Bill for everything. My team, The Boston Storm, was a contributing factor in the screw up this year. Our home rink was pulled from us do to someone telling lies to the owners about the league for his own benefit. Afraid of losing players. Anyway, had to get that off my chest, we had no rink to play out of. Now how is that Bills fault? The Gladiators, switched rinks mid-stream, how is that Bills fault? Guys have been jumping ship to play PIHA. How is that Bills fault? I will call Bill and ask him about the policy. For all you know, he could have sent you the wrong one by mistake. Get the facts, or don't play. You have a chose. I just don't understand people like you. If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[SpiderRat]

I just got off the phone with Bill. Your story is bogus. If you have an issue with Bill or the MLRH, save the time of "draining your bank account" and pull your team. That is my suggestion. Bill has done alot of good for inline hockey. He has put alot of time and money into this league. Hey, here's an idea, start your own league and run it the way you want it run. Then come back on here and tell us all how easy it is.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[Bluevisor19Work]

Why dont you tell Bill to call me then cause he wont return my e-mails or PM me or E-mail me his #, [email protected] . I am not trying to stirr up Sh!^, but you have to see how this looks from my end. I am spraking to bill right now and working thios out. I tired to have Street do this but now that you guys are pointing me in the right direction I will handle it myself



I know a fake policy and I have one from the MLRH.

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ??? Oh yea, its me !!

[SpiderRat]

Now you are talking to Bill? You should have done that first. And Eric, with all do respect, I too am in the insurance business, re-insurance to be exact, and know the importance of policy procedure. To use the Storm again in an example, we had asked Bill to send us a mock policy, a copy of an expired policy from another team, just so we could have the rink owners read the language used in this type of policy. Fully understanding that the duplicate he was sending, was not the actual policy or to be represented as such. Perhaps this scenario mirrors your situation. I don't know. But wouldn't it be a shame for me to suggest that this is case here if I didn't have the facts first? See what I'm saying.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[Bluevisor19Work]

Ok I now spoke to Bill for myself and know whats going on. He sent us a policy using a company he has a relationship with. The company told him to fill in the policy as necessary and send it to them and us ( proof of insurance to us and to bind the coverage its sent to the insurer. )
Well the company he put us with is no longer in business. The policy came back to him 2 weeks ago ( aproximatley ). He said he has secured another policy for us and will be getting it faxed in to me before Monday so I can present it to our rink.
I want to thank you spider for letting me know that you called bill cause I was under the impression that he had changed his phone # and was unreachable by phone. I also didnt call him initally because he has a long standing relationship with Street and I figured I would let him handle it. He did a piss poor job to say the least ( Sorry street your still my homie but you suck at communication skills !! ). Street also idnt know that Bills # was on the MLRH site ( I knew this for a while now ).

Everything is everything and I didnt mean to ruffle any feathers and I am glad I was able to handle this today.

Eric

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ??? Oh yea, its me !!

[Brooklynite10]

My question is, if he got the policy back 2 weeks ago, why didn't he contact YOU about this issue 2 weeks ago ?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by wolves10 on 01/26/06 12:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

[SpiderRat]

Thanks Eric. Check out my PM.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[Bluevisor19Work]

He said he has been trying to contact Chris, and Bill didnt even know I owned part of the team til today. He had secured the policy for us whick is the important thing and I can understand him not getting with me because he didnt know I existed lol. So things are starting to wind down and I am glad I found this site cause you guys helped tremendously ( between the throwing stones at me, I got some useful information which is what I needed !! ).

I hate looking like a bad guy because I love playing in this league, but I needed to know that everything was on the up and up concerning our insurance. Now I have all of Bill's contact info and am not afraid to use it !! If I need to blast Bill ( which I doubt I will have to in the future ) I can call him at 2 am at the house LOL J/K.

Salsa ( last name is ORTEGA, get it ? )

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ??? Oh yea, its me !!

[Superstar9]

wow... I missed a lot today! I'm staying away from everything on this topic, the only thing I'll say is that the only calls I received up until about an hour ago was from ortega and not bill. Either way, I've been in this league for 5 years now and it always seems to stay afloat. Most probs aren't Bill's fault and a lot can go wrong with so many people in the mix (owners, rinks, Bill, players, etc.) so its not an easy job by any means. We def dont want dirty laundry put out in the open from now on though.. that's for sure, the league has enough image problems as it is.

Street

ps- oh yeah, and I do suck at communication sometimes!! I have 100 things going on and cant always answer my phone or check email every 10 secs!!!!

[Bluevisor19Work]

Just so everyone knows, I love this league, and never want it to end ( not even off season, I wish we played all year ). I am sure Bill is a nice guy and now that the air is clearing, I hope to get to know everyone out here as well as Bill. I will do whatever is required of me to keep this machine running smooth and in the future I will go to the bossman rather then Street or airing it out here. I will keep issues to PM's and Phone calls.

As soon as I have the active policy in my hands I will let everyone know, and sorry again for creating Drama. I hate Drama I almost never start it, and usually do end it, so consider the Drama Over LOL

Ortega

PS- Street, whens the last time you scored a goal ? Oh yea like 2 months ago ! I will control the team you go out and find whoever took your game and get it back HAHAHAHAHAHA

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ??? Oh yea, its me !!

[yokes]

Street dont worry i found your skills, they are in the old building in DE. I saved them before they demolished the place, but i need you to get them out of my house cause they are stinking the place all up and no one wants to come over!!

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[Bluevisor19Work]

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[SpiderRat]

That is too funny!!! I'm sure it will get deleted, so I'm glad I got to read it first. Thanks again my man for the PM's.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[yokes]

What about my PM's...friend?!?!?!?

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[SpiderRat]

Feeling needy and left out are we?

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[Bluevisor19Work]

I have to do actual work every now and again so as not to get myself fired !!! I can pm you tomorrow if you would like but I dont want to keep you waiting on me, so if another pm buddy comes along, jump on it !! You guys are too much !!

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ??? Oh yea, its me !!

[CoachChrisG]

It has been a very long time since I posted about the state of MLRH but it's time to chime in once again.

From what I have seen, MLRH is in no better shape than it was in 5 years ago. The only difference is that even less people with money want to deal with Raue anymore. We are still stuck with glorified NARCh teams with no money, legitimate sponsorships and no rinks that can hold more than a couple hundred people. Just as well since nobody goes to games.

The more Raue runs this league into the ground, the less likely any advertisers or anyone with money will ever consider sponsoring the pro game again. Jamie's gone, Seeger: gone, the Riot: gone, have I left anyone out? Not to mention Raue's being decidedly unwelcome at the big inline hockey summit this past year.What is wrong with this picture?

I was told by many on this board, (some are still here, others are long gone,) that this was a "baby steps" situation and this league deserved time to grow. Well, the league hasn't improved a bit. No new money people calling the shots to run it properly, still no decent advertisers, no fanbase and the quality of play has dropped. (Lindenwood and numerous other college programs would destroy most MLRH teams right now.) These aren't baby steps.

I want to see the game grow and thrive at the elite level but MLRH isn't going to be the savior that so many still think it is. Something has to change in a big way or this is all we are going to be stuck with for another 20 years.

[Brooklynite10]

I started playing MLRH this year with hopes that it would be as good as it was 2 years ago, but I was sadly mistaken. This year, the MLRH is one of the most unorganized leagues I've ever seen. I have just recently left the MLRH to go play PIHA and I have to say that PIHA really has their act together. At this point, I feel that if any "pro" league has a chance to grow and prosper, it will be PIHA.

[wolves89]

PIHA definitely has its act together for this season, so far looking good this season, teams look very professional with the same style jerseys and pants... the minor league games before the Pro games are a great idea... i mean look at the Inferno / Phantoms games... tons of people, and it got a spot on the news... when was MLRH in the news?

i'm not slow, i'm patient

[vitaminchi]

it's too bad there isn't a PIHA north...the MLRH doesn't even have a full schedule out, it's ridiculous.

[Brooklynite10]

From a few posts I saw last week, it looks like Boston is looking to jump on board next season. I have a feeling PIHA will have some north teams for next season.

[vapor10]

Thats pretty much all you need, is for the organized teams in MLRH to come play in the organized league. When that happens, I'm pretty sure you'll start to see a HUGE turn-out at all of the try-outs and more expansion teams to accomodate the influx of players, of course not too many expansion teams because then your talent starts to go downward.

[BkHdTpShlf]

Boston is definately looking to put a team or two...mostlikely two teams in PIHA whenever their ready to expand north. Hopefully some of the Hartford guys will feel the same way and enter a few teams there too giving the north 4 solid teams. PIHA no doubt has their act together and you guys make alot of good points but theres more reasons than Bill that don't allow MLRH to grow. Most of the teams don't have their act together including Boston this year with us having problems getting a home rink. The MLRH two years ago was a real good league...correct me if I'm wrong...Pottstown I believe was the seventh place team and they could have beaten any team on any given day. The league had alot of talent the bullsh*t was at a league low and for the most part seemed very organized...then the season ended and everybody jumped ship to the XIHL...which I don't even remember them finishing their season. Then you have guys jumping here there and everywhere for PIHA and tourneys. Its very hard to have a league run smooth when most of the problems are players not being dedicated and teams being unorganized. I'm not saying Bill isn't part of the problem at times. The man is trying to do good for us. So we can have a league to play in but he should have some ground rules or dead lines on when things need to be turned into the league so he can put out a complete schedule months before the season starts. Oh ya and to Chris, we here at Boston would gladly except that challenge to play Lindenwood. I'm sure Hartford, the Rockers and Glads might feel the same way too...hey there we go, we got a new series.

Darrell Interbartolo

[vapor10]

Good to see that you are coming aboard. PIHA is definitely organized and the teams are organized. The great thing about PIHA is that it has a Minor league.

[GROWL]

Trust me the league is well aware of this situation and is planning to take action. Between Boston, Hartford, and Buffalo we are certain that we can have a nice northern expansion next season. What we will need is for the southern teams like Charlotte and the greater DC area teams to get on board. I know that the league has most of it's expansion focus for '7 in St Louis, so these teams would fill in the gap very nicely. Long Island desperately needs a team as well.

[GROWL]

The expansion teams thus far this season in east have been tremendous. I know that the Phantoms are not a new team, but still it takes a lot of effort to transition from a travel team into one of these leagues and from all accounts they are doing a terrific job. I can first hand say that the new Richmond team is a great organization. They are organized, put on a good show, and are much more talented then most expected. Additionally, I'd like to give Chris Havelock and crew up in Morristown a lot of well earned credit for the terrific job they are doing with the Minutemen. While they have always had good talent up there, this year the effort from that organization has been terrific. It takes more then just showing up to play and Chris and his guys are doing great.

[minutemen]

PIHA is a great league. The league and the owners are organized. The great thing is that we have minor teams, which if Pro is short you can brings guys up. Something MLRH does not have. Not here to talk about if MLRH is bad or good, really do not know much about the league except from rumors. PIHA is expanding, it started small and people are coming aboard. Charlie Yoder, Mark Hausman, other PIHA staff, the owners and the players deserve a lot of credit. No matter what the problems are we all work together and try to solve them for the better of the league. Yes the league is not perfect and things need to be focused on, but it takes time. We take a few task a season and work on them. If Boston and CT come aboard this league is going to be better. There is alot of talent up north and they need to be in the league.

Flynn thanks you for the comments on the Minutemen, i have great people helping me out and we are all working hard. My hats off to your organization. Your teams play hard and have great talent, and they play and act like true PROS. All the other teams my hats go off to as well. It is great to go out there and play hockey. yes sometimes there are some fights but over all everyone treats others with respect. That is why this league is great to play in. We are not getting paid to play but at the same time we all treat it like our jobs. That fact that you can go out and play and really do not have to worry about getting killed. Good luck to all teams this season.

Morristown Minutemen Pro Minor Hockey Organization.

[FrankFrank]

Amen!

[Drew10]

Couldn't have said it better myself ! good work. It's a 1st class league with tremendous upside. Can't wait to see where it goes !

-Drew M

[Bluevisor19Work]

I know Charlotte will stay loyal to MLRH for the time being. I started all this mess and I guess it needed to happen so some of the " Dirty Laundry " could be aired out. This is my 1st season in MLRH. I bought in to the team so we could have a team and I like full check/fight. It really adds a lot for the fans to get worked up about ( not a shot at PIHA by any means ).

Bill is giving the league a lot of his time now, and even tho it should have been done months ago, the schdule looks to be getting finalized. I hope things are different in the near future because for a " Pro League ", we are starting to Lag behind. I approached some of my players about playing in 2 leagues and this would be entirely too time consuming. Im rolling with the punches for now and after this season, only time can tell !!!


Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ???

[SpiderRat]

I just would like to see PIHA go to a full game format, instead of the short two game system used now. Other than that, I'm sure it's a fun league to play in. I never read anything negative about the league. Somebody's doing something right.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[GROWL]

The two game format was CJ's idea and like you I was in favor of the 'full game' format until we actually played a season under the current system. With the two game format, you pretty much rule out blow outs and most games become extremely exciting, not to mention the fact that it enables us to have a 32 instead of a 16 game season.

[GROWL]

Listen I don't mind stirring the pot on this topic a little. I've tried to avoid such topics in the past, but I honstly feel that this off season for both leagues will be a pivital point in pro/elite inline hockey. My number one complaint in the past has always been that none of the leagues were really any better then the rest and it has divided the hockey world by not giving them an obvious choice where to play. I believe that PIHA is now the league to play for and it will be up to the rest of our community to realize this and unify. We are organized 365 days a year, not half way through a season. Please dont misunderstand me, my goal isnt to throw shots at Major League, it just drive me crazy to think that again we will have to endure a year where we have two competing leagues. The topic of the multiple governing bodies in our sport comes up twice a month on these boards and we are the 'pro/elite' version of the same thing. The difference is... correcting this problem is simple for us. One league has risen above the rest and will only get better with more support.

[SpiderRat]

How many minutes are the games? Is it two periods per game, or two periods per night?

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[Bluevisor19Work]

It is certanly not very professional looking that the game schdules are created 2 weeks prior to game time (IMHO). I love this for what it is, a competitive game, but the fun is taken out of it when you have to throw together 10 guys, get plane tickets, hotels, Ect with 2 weeks notice. I was shocked when I 1st went to the PIHA website and saw your Schdule complete in its entirety. Why is it so difficult for us ? I wish I knew !!

This off season will be FULL of questions and I hope the answer is plain and simple. I doubt it will be, but come He!! or High water, Charlotte will have a team competing at a Pro Level. I will say this and it is becoming an obvious fact, PIHA has turned up the heat on MLRH to preform, the question is will Bill respond ?

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ???

[extremes55]

pro is two 12 minute periods that is stop time, then they take a 10 minutes break and play two more 12 minutes periods stop time

minor is the same but 10 minute periods

[CoachChrisG]

Well I certainly hope PIHA can continue to grow but they also have a long way to go before they can get where they need to be. 8 years of MLRH going the way of ABA2000, (go to oursportscentral.com and see what a joke that league is dispite lasting 6 years thus far,) I don't think anyone can honestly consider them a legit league. The owner has no credibility and the teams are disorganized and weak for the most part. (I'm very sure LU will answer your challenge to whoever challenged them because remember, they did beat Yoder's Mudcats a few years ago who were a LOT better than ANY MLRH team in the league's history with the exception of the 1998 Bullfrogs.)

The bottom line is not having blind faith and being results driven. So many people have gone back to MLRH without anything ever changing there "just because" instead of MLRH having a committment they have never had before. PIHA could be the one but they need to grow a lot more to get to that point.

Then there's NARCh. Dare I say that NARCh is part of the problem? NARCh Pro is the ultimate goal for players who want to be elite in our sport it seems and unfortunately it damages league teams from being able to have the best players. This has breeded the lack of committment you have seen from a LOT of players in the leagues over the last 5 years. If your league pays players, sign players to EXCLUSIVE contracts. If not, don't get mad if they run off to play NARCh one day before a big game because if you don't have it in writing, you don't have that player on your team because NARCh will come first and you dead last.

I do believe that the bottom line is for the entire sport should abandon MLRH for good. Raue has ruined the pro game and the elite game with his antics over the years and is only making it worse by forcing the league down everyone's throats year in and year out. Ignore him and MLRH will go away. No big loss to the sport.

[yokes]

Unless i was lied to by their captain but the Mudcats didnt have anywhere near their full roster when this game took place. There are a few others on here that would know this also. Did LU win the college champ. last year?? If so who came in second?

&quot;Only God saves more than Yokes&quot; <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by yokes on 02/03/06 02:52 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

[CoachChrisG]

LU has won pretty much everything over the last 4 years including the last 2 NCRHA NCT's. (And the disasterous Premier League title the year before that.) As for the Mudcats, the only players missing from most accounts I have heard were Yoder and their main goaltender. Aside from that the roster was intact. Either way, a college team beat the best pro team in the world at the time.

MLRH teams are nowhere NEAR the Mudcats' level past or present. With at least 3-4 programs catching up to LU, (NC State, East Michigan, Central Florida, Towson,) there are a LOT of teams that could smoke the best MLRH teams. PIHA teams, from the rosters I've seen would fare much better but MLRH, no way.

If the quality of play is weaker than the college club teams, and the college teams are far better organized, the league looks very bad.

[GROWL]

The real question isn't whether Bill is going to respond, the question is whether the teams are going to respond. This should not be a competetion, it should be a unified effort. Two years ago we tried to unify and Bill wouldn't even show up to our meetings and we ended up with three freakin leagues instead of one cause of all the BS. All I want is to see this grow right.

No Ramps, No Rubber walls, No Off-sides, No 2 point lines, JUST PLAIN OLD INLINE HOCKEY at its highest level.

[yokes]

The Mudcats didnt have Ronnie nor Danny C. That would take away their 3 top players. A significant drop off, in at least my eyes.

I wont sit here and argue about us vs. them cause if you can set it up then i am sure i can talk our team into a friendly full contact game. Our roster is plenty accomplished on many diff. high levels of this sport.

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[Superstar9]

Not to start anything but you say NC state is on its way up, their 2 best players as well as Mike Lorusso from UNC charlotte (who happens to lead the collegiate nation in scoring) all play for the outlawz in MLRH and they are only 3 of our top 6 players? If you have to knock the league fine, but you're praising and downing players in the same sentence not realizing they play for both NC state and the Outlawz.

Street

[HitUHard]

Just wondering but where on www.oursportscentral.com even mention anything about any level of roller hockey

[CoachChrisG]

I know you will defend Raue and MLRH to the death here but the fact remains that you are more or less alone now. Nobody with money or credibility is ever going to build the league up again. Many people with both gave this league second chance after second chance for years and all got burned.

This league is a glorified rec league with less organization and lower quality of play now. Why anyone thinks this league is ever going to be more than that is deluding themselves.

[CoachChrisG]

I was refering to the mess that is the current American Basketball Association. A league that mirrors MLRHAAA in every possible way right on down to the crackpot owner.

[Superstar9]

I wasnt defending the MLRH, I was defending the Outlawz and letting you know that those up and coming college players you were referring to are Outlawz. So really I was stating that you were being hypocritcal before you had the facts of who plays for who down here. Who do you play for again btw??? Who are you for that matter?

Street

all that matters is that the leaders, owners, captains... whatever you want to call them, all know what the end result is going to be and its already being discussed. The end of the league war is soon coming...

[AFan99]

Oh like CJ is not a big loss. I heard they were missing more than that. As for the best Pro competition, it is by far Torhs Pro division. That division is much more competitive with more than just mission teams like Narch. Plus in torhs they let you play the game a little. It is hockey and contact does happen.

Just my .02 cents.

[AFan99]

Chris kindof a mute point when nobody with money is interested in supporting the sport. Many so called Pro leagues have come and gone all for the same reason, the money runs dry.

Not all that goes wrong in MLRH is Bill's fault, there have been plenty of teams along the way the are more disorganized than he is. He provides a league for people to play in and over the years alot of the same guys play in PIHA and MLRH.

The NHL can't even get a good TV contract or a decent Neilsen rating what makes you think anything anyone does in roller hockey is going to make a difference.

Stop bashing Bill and MLRH be constructive, or from the sounds of it you know how to run a league so start one.

Thanks

[vapor10]

I just have to say one thing about people that look at the rosters and this that and the other thing about the Pro Teams. It doesn't matter if you have one of your all-stars missing from you line-up . .or all of your all-stars playing that game. The fact of the matter is that this sport is not based upon a team that consist of one player that is the deciding difference between if you win or lose. This is a TEAM sport, meaning if you have the right composition of players, you'll click, and you'll win. Use the Rangers in previous years past for example. They were one of the biggest crap bag teams there was, hadnt seen the play offs in god knows how long, yet . . .take a look at their roster and . ."good lord thats an all-star team". Then take a team like the Devils in years passed who destroyed the Rangers just about every game, and it was because it was a bunch of river rats and devils who could play as one. So saying that because this team was missing this guy or this team has this guy now doesn't mean a thing . . .the fact of the matter is . . .we have all-star games for those players that Shine . . . but with out the TEAM behind them . . .their worthless . .just like the 1995-2004 NY Rangers (sorry to all those rangers fans ,but you have to agree with me) . . .again im sorry this post is slightly off topic but some of those post were about talent . .and thats my two cents on that . . .good luck to everyone in their leagues and games this season.

[yokes]

I guess the point your missing here Chris is simple. Myself along with many other people on this board are players in MLRH. We arent out playing for $, we do it because we love to play and compete, it gives us another level beside house league. So before you trash Bills league just know that you are trashing all us players that give our time to it. Im not delushinal, I know that the league has problems and have heard all the stories about Bill and all that, but personnaly i dont give a s#@t!! I play to play and have fun, now when it stops being fun then ill quit and jump all over everyones league for not making it. BTW, how many inline players do you know are paying their bills because they play inline hockey for a living?? Well then that puts them right next to the rest of us who dont get paid.

Because I know you always like to bring up Lindenwold, no CJ, Ronnie, Buff, Mazer, or Seibal in that game when the Mudcats only had 6 players. Would you be running your mouth saying they beat Rinkrat if they didnt have St.Cyr, Cooke, Hunt and Humphries? What about Pama without Rob L? I played against CJ in a tournament once and my team won, I played against Ronnie in house leagues and have beaten him. Does this mean i beat the mudcats too??

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[HitUHard]

YES YOKES IT DOES LOL

[Superstar9]

get em booooyyy!!

Street

Street

www.OutlawzHockey.com

[CoachChrisG]

What you are claiming is all well and good but just don't try to pass off your league as elite because it clearly is not. Nor has it shown ANY evidence of being professional in pay or in presentation. You can play the "we just want to play" card all you want but that is all you've got.

MLRH isn't an elite hockey league. It is a glorified pickup league and nothing more.

[CoachChrisG]

Okay, if it isn't Raue's fault then why is it that everyone who has had money or credibility in this league has quit on him? Why is it that the league has shown ZERO growth in the many years it has existed? The people who have left have all said the same reason: Raue.

As long as Raue is the number one guy in elite inline not associated with NARCh, nobody is ever going to invest real money into an elite league in our sport. He gives everyone involved a bad name. (Notice he was the only bigwig barred from the organiztional summit this past year.)

If Raue spent real money on the league instead of pocketing the expansion fees every year, something would have happened.

The "Raue is better than nothing" comment is an oxymoron as well because with Raue you've got nothing anyway. At least without him you wouldn't have the constant BS and unprofessional crap that people now believe is synomous with elite inline hockey.

[SpiderRat]

And what league out there has presented "ANY evidence of being professional in pay or in presentation"? You're another one of those who would rather criticize, then fix. A better web site does not make a better league. Can't we just play where we want without having people like you knock one league over another? What's wrong with you? Relax playa, you play where you want, we'll play where we want. Shouldn't that be good enough for you?


Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[CoachChrisG]

Just don't try to pass it off as elite because it is clearly well below that.

[SpiderRat]

"At least without him you wouldn't have the constant BS and unprofessional crap that people now believe is synomous with elite inline hockey". Incorrect Chris, without Bill, we could all rely on your constant BS and unprofessional crap. Whom are these people that you say quit on him? You're just another guy who thinks he can do it better. Start your own league next. We'll all see how you do. Until then, do what your Mom should have taught you, if you have nothing nice to say.........


Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[SpiderRat]

Storm, Thunder, Rockers, Gladiators, all elite teams. Bring what you have and let the play do the talking.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[CoachChrisG]

There are very few true elite players even on the teams you mentioned. When you can go to a College game for free to see far better hockey, MLRH just looks foolish.

[CoachChrisG]

This league has lost more quality people that even RHI could bring in. 7 years of BS and no growth whatsoever. Nobody with any credibility will work with Raue. What is wrong with this picture?

Just because you scream the loudest doesn't mean you have contributed much to this. What I am saying is that MLRH's grace period to grow into an elite league is long since past and it is time people saw the league for what it IS, not what it CLAIMS it is. That is a interstate house league, nothing more, nothing less.

[SpiderRat]

I'm done with you. An opponent armed with nothing but ignorance, is an opponent not worth fighting.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[yokes]

We all know "chris" that you just love to shoot down all these leagues. You just get on every once in awhile and run your mouth about Bill and Lindenwold or whatever at the time. Like Roger said, if you want to play one of our "unelite" teams then set up some games with us!! Now lets see your play do the talking!! Oh and as far as elite, no other leauge has lasted this long other than PIHA and im part of that one also since its inception. So keep trashing it until you try to put a team in it or even tell anyone who you are.

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[CoachChrisG]

You failed to back anything up that you said other than "if you don't like it get lost."

I guess you aren't good enough to play college, NARCh or PIHA...

[CoachChrisG]

Then show me something. All I have seen is people jumping ship and a whole lot of spin and excuses from Raue and his supporters. (Mostly you.)

I'm not with the teams I have mentioned but I have seen them play enough, (as well as MLRH,) to know how much better they are than MLRH's teams. The difference is that they don't charge money and are more professional than most MLRH teams. (Teams showing up on time, matching uniforms, decent presentation at the events, etc.) Can MLRH make the same claim? No.

I am happy that PIHA has shown real signs of improvement and some growth since their debut 3-4 years ago. Have you seen me put them down? No because Charlie Yoder has a far better reputation than Bill Raue does and has done a far better job. The level of play has also improved, not gone down, another good sign. Can MLRH make this claim?

[yokes]

Now after reading all your posts i finally realized your problem, your not good enough to make it in this league. Who are the people that bailed on Bill. Steve and Benny had an idea and it didnt work. Out west the "elite league" had many great players but it failed also. PIHA is great but some players like contact so it fits them but maybe not their style of play. So once again, what league out there gives us, not you, a chance to play outside of house leagues and tournaments??? Build a league, we WILL put teams in it and watch you falter after one season, then get on here and trash you like you deserve. At least there are people out there with the BALLS to try to have a league.

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[CoachChrisG]

Yep, there you go again with the "go make your own league" card. Just an excuse to avoid facing the fact that MLRH has gone absolutely nowhere in the many years you have played in it. PIHA continues to grow and develop it's niche locally and improve year in and year out while MLRH continues to sink further and further into the abyss.

Then again, maybe you aren't good enough to stick anywhere else and the end of MLRH would mean the end of your career, I don't know. What I do know is that MLRH is not elite in any way, shape or form.

[CoachChrisG]

As for guys who are gone, does Ben Loyall ring a bell? Didn't he have a solid franchise in the league and finally get tired of it and leave? Steve Seegar? He was supposed to be the guy who finally proves Raue isn't the man in charge anymore. He quit too because he couldn't get what was needed to be done done under Raue. How about Jamie? He left TWICE. What is wrong with this picture. People with credibility and MONEY want nothing to do with this league.

Don't claim it is elite because nobody who matters take it seriously.

[NuHusky]

CoachChrisg, just curious, where do you coach? or where did you play? or where do you play?

[yokes]

Thats funny Chris because no one knows who you are but most people on here can be seen by others and known by others. If MLRH were to end then i guess someone could of found me winning the 2 games i started this weekend in Morristown against the minutemen in PIHA, and could of approached me and talked to me face to face like some players i know and have played against in various leagues over the years. So it seems that pretty soon ill start worrying about my "career" and just want to do nothing more than house leagues. Thats perfect ill just settle for that and not try to compete, thats a hell of a message you got there "coach". Keep hating Bill because he's making his millions off us. Yes the go make your own league excuse, you seem to be gods gift to us all, save us from hockey's satan Raue and build a league that we all can make a living off of. The only answer i really want from you is why did Jamie not want to do this anymore?? Im very curious to hear your answer.

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[RichardGraham]

Chris,

You are making this into a personal attack against Bill Raue. I don't know what your beef with him is exactly, but once again you're going over the top with your comments. So far, I haven't met anyone who's perfect in this world.

I LIKE Bill Raue. He's always been fair with me and Inline Hockey Central.

If you continue to use this forum simply to slam Bill Raue and MLRH, I can see no other option but to ban you for the Message Boards. We've been through this before, and I'm tired of it.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

[Brooklynite10]

Didn't want to chime in, but I will because I have neutral feelings when it comes to the MLRH. Yes, The MLRH has slipped off this year, but your comment; "Just an excuse to avoid facing the fact that MLRH has gone absolutely nowhere in the many years you have played in it" is completely false. 2 Years ago the MLRH was a top notch league. I see it like this. Chris, your nothing but a ***** (as in cat, Richard). Stop hiding behind your screen name. Yokes and Roger have challenged you to bring your "elite" college team to play 1 or a couple of the "non elite" MLRH teams, but it seems like you want no part of it. Why ? I know, cause you would get embarrassed. We can make it free admission since you are so caught up in SOME teams charging $3-$5. Really guy, what are you trying to accomplish ?

BTW, Yokes, nice showing against us (minutemen) this weekend.

[wolves89]

the college roller hockey is not that good are you serious man?? there are a few decent players on each team... knowing most of these players myself, only Lindenwood and Mich State this year could beat any MLRH team... the rest of the teams would not fair so well, espcially with the hitting involved... you say yokes isn't good enough to play college? he easily is, he also WON PIHA last season... so chris get some facts before you spout your mouth...

is mlrh the be all end all of roller hockey? no it's not, there are problems, but unless you are playing you have no idea, or grounds to complain... i don't agree with MLRH, so i don't play anymore, it's that simple..

btw in what way are you affiliated with roller hockey in east here?? get a life man, we all know its not "PROFESSIONAL" like the NHL, but we are the better of the group of players on the east coast, who cares... when roller hockey starts paying the bills, then i will jump ship and hangout with you and B*t*h and moan all day. until then.... shhhhhhhhhh

i'm not slow, i'm patient

[vitaminchi]

Did you ever think that PIHA is just way too far to travel for some players? Most of the teams are in the Tri-state area, where as players who play for the Storm/CT would have to travel pretty far for games. To me, I just want to play competitive hockey, and playing in the MLRH allows me to do that. Yea, it's not run very smoothly, alot of things can be ironed out. Yea, maybe it is a glorified men's league these days, but it was good back in the day, or so I hear. I recognize that PIHA is growing, and getting the acknowledgements it deserves, and if I was living back home, I'd probably try and play on one of the PIHA teams, but I'm not, and the MLRH is the only thing that is offered to me at the moment.

Now, as for the bashing of the league, everyone does it out of frustration, but we love to play, and a crappy game is better than no game...well, sometimes. As for Lindenwood and all your little rants about pro teams and what not, here are my thoughts:

I've had the chance to play against and watch Lindenwood teams. When we played them, we got smoked, they were awesome. Fine. No one on this board has denied them the respect that they deserve as a prominent hockey club. All your rants just go back to saying that they would run over any MLRH team, which may be true, but it's only a hypothesis based on your opinions. In order to see an experiment through, one must actually put it to a test over and over again, until a reasonable answer is found, and a new hypothesis can be formed. If that was too complicated for you, to sum it up, bring Lindenwood out east, have them play a whole bunch of games against teams out here. And then talk. I'm sure they would do very well, but I don't think that they would win every game. Plus, it would be good exposure for both leagues, college/"pro."

I think the term "pro," is overused, and misunderstood alot of the times. That word should never bo associated with a league that does not actually pay their players. This goes for all sports, b/c I mean, come on, the moment anyone says they're playing any "pro" sport, people automatically assume that they are making tons of money. But, in the case of both PIHA and MLRH, "pro" was probably used to draw attraction to the fan base. "Come watch elite players compete," sorta thing. I mean, it could be worse, someone could have come up with the title of "Xtreme Inline Hockey," or something like that...oh wait. Which league would you want to check out? Sorry, that was just too good to rip on. So, maybe everyone who plays in these leagues aren't up to par for you as far as talent. I'm probably not, but I work with a team, and that's why we play this sport. Nobody in this world is strong on their own, everyone needs someone to lean on.

So, being that this is probably the longest post I've ever posted on any message board, I'd like to conclude this by asking you CoachChris, where exactly have you played, what is your experience? It seems you have watched alot of hockey, and have alot of hockey knowledge, but you always seem to miss this question when asked. I'm eager to await your answer, as I'm sure alot of people on this board are as well...because, we'll all just probably talk about how stupid people like you post stupid crap on this board that has no lasting impression on anyone, because it's all just superficial BS. But please, amuse me and others.

Eagerly awaiting,
chi

PS just one more thing I'd like to have clarified. College RH has no offsides and no hitting. Would a contest between a "pro" team and college team have the "pro" team rules? or the college rules? Cause honestly, offsides changes the game a ton. is there icing? is it 3 periods or 4 quarters? running time or stop time? some of this probably doesn't matter, but i'm a stats guy, and i feel that most of this would matter. but hey, good players adjust, right?

[Bluevisor19Work]

Ok again, I will chime in on this fiasco I have created ! I didnt mean for this thread to become a " Coach Chris Bashes MLRH " Thread.

I am the other owner for the Outlawz ( if ya didnt know that already ). You said you had been to one of our games Chris. Do you live in this area ? Will you be here again soon ? Can you field a team of " Elite players " to come against us ( Full check, full fight, offsides and icing all in play ). I hear you talking and your basically saying we suck, so come show us. Since were a " Glorifyed House League " you should have no problems getting together 4 and a Goalie and stomping us ( better make that at least 5 skaters cause I plan on hurting someone ).

You talk a good game, for teams that you dont even play for. I dont like how MLRH is run, and have heard the horror storied from my friends who were in this league before me. Regardless, if I want to bash my league that I play for, I have a right. If you want to bash a league that your not good enough to play in, thats your right, but Im not gonna listen.

You now have some teams waiting responses. you can e-mail me direct to schdule a time to play. [email protected] . no more talking, Man the FU#$ UP !!!!

Eric

PS- Yea MLRH might be a little bit of a mess, but my team is 100% on their $hi^. Do you even play hockey, or did you not make the Cut at an MLRH tryout ? Did we cut you ?

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ???

[GROWL]

Chris I agree with a lot of what you have to say on this topic. While I'd like to back you up on some of your statements, I am not looking for an arguement on this topic. Of course I'd like to convince all of the MLRH people that PIHA is the way to go and have one solid and organized league, but I wont do it at the expense of making myself look like an a$$ by having an arguement with Raue supporters. I think the players and teams in Major League are fantastic and bashing them just because of their affiliation with Bill is not the answer. Most of all Yokes, he is a proven player over and over, I think we all all agree with this.

[GROWL]

Chris was the owner/gm of the NJ Riot in MLRH

[yokes]

If thats true then Chris Puchion*sp has an extensive backround in both ice and roller and also has two s/n's on here. ??

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[GROWL]

Are you suggesting that this isn't him. I thought that it was from his many Riot comments. Perhaps I am wrong and if I am I apologize.

[33]

well, i've been pretty quiet so far partly due to being in pittsburgh friday and saturday and enjoying that super bowl victory last night and partly because i was kind of soaking this all in. as far as the lindenwood vs. mudcat thing, the cats had a bunch of guys missing and we all know any team can beat any other team any given day of the week. however, that is by no means any disrespect to lindenwood because they are VERY good year in and year out and probably could beat alot of the mlrh and piha teams. alot of the guys playing on lindenwood have plyed in narch and torhs pro and we all know that is the best of the best. plus they have a great roller hockey group coaching and running the organization and they get alot of the best players out there. it sounds to me like the mysterious "coach" chris has a bug up his a$$ about bill for some reason and choses to air his dirty laundry on here. whatever. we have a great thing going on right now with PIHA. the expansion, the talent level is the best it has ever been and again, anyone could beat anyone else on any given night and that is fun. to know you have to go out there and play your a$$ off for 48 minutes to get two wins is why we do it. being with the boys and playing in front of people who are willing to pay a couple of bucks to come watch you play is awesome. if you don't enjoy that don't play and come on this message board and bash everyone you can like some people. as for the mlrh, i would be playing in that league also if it wasn't for the amount of time i have to give to the typhoon. it's tough that both leagues run at the same time and most players (especially one's with jobs and families) have to chose between one or the other. i will say that piha would definitely be my first choice and the reason is because it is extremely organized and well run. there were some definite bumps in the road this year for the mlrh with the scheduling and stuff which did not seem to be bill's fault. the team's had trouble with facilities. charlie has been lucky with piha and he seems to pick the right people to head up franchises that are loyal and do what needs to be done to put a quality show on for the people that pay those couple of bucks. i'm a realist and i know i will never make thousands or even hundereds of dollars playing this game, but it is fun and when it stops being fun i will hang them up and enjoy watching my kids play and hopefully pass some of the things i learned through the years onto them. and by far the most important thing i've learned is respect the game. if you can't do that beat it...we don't need you.

p.s. yokes can be my tender any day of the week!

[born2runPROgm]

good call

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[SpiderRat]

Well said Ying. By the way, I thought you said I could be your tender any day of the week. Who's this Yokes guy anyway?

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[yokes]

I cant wait to play against you now Rog, its on like donkey kong!

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[CoachChrisG]

"I am the other owner for the Outlawz ( if ya didnt know that already ). You said you had been to one of our games Chris. Do you live in this area ? Will you be here again soon ? Can you field a team of " Elite players " to come against us ( Full check, full fight, offsides and icing all in play ). I hear you talking and your basically saying we suck, so come show us. Since were a " Glorifyed House League " you should have no problems getting together 4 and a Goalie and stomping us ( better make that at least 5 skaters cause I plan on hurting someone )."

So people who have PAID MONEY to see this mess have no right to an opinion? I guess joe six pack has to blindly support a league that has no professionalism, little quality in terms of players and credibility that is non existant?

Then again, all you've got is threats is that responce is any indication.

"You talk a good game, for teams that you dont even play for. I dont like how MLRH is run, and have heard the horror storied from my friends who were in this league before me. Regardless, if I want to bash my league that I play for, I have a right. If you want to bash a league that your not good enough to play in, thats your right, but Im not gonna listen."

Nobody takes this league seriously and people who were once fans have long since abandoned it. Yet here you are wasting your time and money on it.

"You now have some teams waiting responses. you can e-mail me direct to schdule a time to play. [email protected] . no more talking, Man the FU#$ UP !!!!"

Why issue a challenge when your team can't even make it to league games on time?

"PS- Yea MLRH might be a little bit of a mess, but my team is 100% on their $hi^. Do you even play hockey, or did you not make the Cut at an MLRH tryout ? Did we cut you ?"

Yep. Your only defense is "you don't play, you have no right to talk." That, young man, is EXACTLY why you and your league has no fanbase to speak of.

[CoachChrisG]

So people can threaten me and swear and simply trash my comments without actually reading them and addressing them like a grown up but if I dare question Bill Raue, I'm banned?

The guy has caused way more harm than good to the sport, that is my problem with him. I am not going to say he is doing a good job when he clearly is not.

[CoachChrisG]

If I recall, some teams are charging 12 bucks a game. That may be fine for the AHL but for rec league hockey? Nah, I'll go to the next college weekend and get better hockey for free.

[CoachChrisG]

Jamie quit on MLRH for the same reason he pulled out last time, because he wouldn't work with Raue anymore.

[CoachChrisG]

Finally, a well written and well thought out responce! I'll try to respond to everything you've said point by point.

When did I ever say anything bad about PIHA? You could go over every post I have ever made and not find a single word I have posted against the PIHA. I think they have come a long way and built a solid league that is growing and will continue to do so.

As for Raue, we have heard the same old line for years. "baby steps". Well, they have gone backwards for years now. I have already named off all of the quality people who have walked out because of Raue so you can't say he hasn't had people who can get it done involved over the years. The difference is that Charlie has been more about building the sport and less about getting those expansion fees. PIHA, even at it's worst was far better organized and generally had better rosters pound for pound.

I don't think the fact that Charlie has succeeded and Raue has failed in terms of quality people and money infused into their repsective leagues is luck.

My hat is off to Charlie because PIHA has developed into exactly what MLRH has always said they wanted to do but never delivered on. I love the game and repsect those who have been good to it. However, I am equally scornfull to those who haven't been good to the game.

[BkHdTpShlf]

Do us all a favor and call Bill directly to bitch and complain because quite frankly I'm sick of reading your posts. You say you love the game and respect those who have been good to it....well then respect us guys who do play in the league and stop bashing us. What has any guy in our league done that was bad for the game? Do you need his phone number? Let me know I'd be more than happy to give it to you.

Darrell Interbartolo

[RichardGraham]

Chris,

Grow up, will you? You've gone and made a donkey of yourself in front of thousands of IHC readers. We get it! We know you don't care for Bill Raue or MLRH. Do you think that people will start to agree with you once you've repeated yourself for the 1,000th time? Or will we all have to wait till you've bashed Bill for the 10,000th time before you're satisfied?

If you don't like McDonald's hamburgers, don't eat there. It's pretty damn simple. Instead of bashing MLRH all the time, why don't you lend your "expertise" to the PIHA, or, as some have suggested, create your own professional league? If you've got such expertise, it should be a no-brainer for you.

Once you create that league, IHC will cover it, just like it covers every other league. Until then, you're not providing any solutions; you're simply another part of the problem. And you are BORING.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

[vapor10]

alright man enough is enough . . i dont play mlrh and yeah ive heard pro's and con's about it . . but you're just trying to piss people off now. Cut the crap and save yourself, because if you are a player (which most likely your not) someones gonna find out who you are and make you a permenant fixture on a piece of boards somewhere. Stop crying about Bill and MLRH and everything else, grow up. Rather than bash another league, just play where you think will prosper or start your own and let that faulter too. I'm glad you have a ton of praise for PIHA, as do I, but leave it at that and stop bashing MLRH. I made a jab at MLRH a while back and Guzman set me in my place by saying this ." If your the biggest supporter of pro roller hockey then you've got the wrong attitude and we're all doomed." And Justin is damn right, gooz should just copy and paste that for you doosh . . .Anyone that attempts to make a run for starting a pro league should be supported . . .through trial and error people are going to see that one unified league is the way to go as Anthony Flynn has stated numerous times. But until then, just let it go . . .I wanna look back at IHC and read about what happened this past week, not RE: MLRH ISSUES. Cause im sick and tired of you. On that note . .congrats pitts on your superbowl victory, i can assure you that ALL of us look forward to coming out their NEXT weekend.

[CoachChrisG]

So you are saying that it is okay for players to threaten people who pay to see them who are critical? If this is the case then they should clean up their act or stop charging money.

[BkHdTpShlf]

What's your address kid? I'll send you your 12 bucks.

Darrell Interbartolo

[Brooklynite10]

lol ! I'll send you $12 bucks too, then you can say that you robbed and scammed the MLRH for $12 instead of the MLRH scammed you for $12. Let me ask you this. What game did you go to ? Do you think that the organization who hosted the game set out to steal your money or was simply trying to support it's team and the league to give it a chance to grow ?

[Brooklynite10]

lmao ! Havelock, I can't believe that was you who I had that disagreement with. sorry bro ! I just felt like I had a point to make, and until now, I didn't know that you grabbed the jist of what I was saying. You ready to come back strong this weekend ? I hope my hand heals up completely before this weekend. It was tough at times to get full wood on my shot and stick handle a bit

[GROWL]

On a lighter note... I think your posts might rival Mr Egans in the length per post category.

[GROWL]

Great point Justin. That is all any of us are doing when collecting money at the door. I'm sure I speak for all owners when I say we'd probably just be happy to collect enough gate revenue to cover our rink costs for the night. I must say $12 is a bit steep, at least the Virginia team who is collecting a steep $10 for their 'luxury seats' (and they are nice), also gives you a cheaper general admission option. Still you have the option to always not attend if you feel that $4 or $12 is too much to spend.

[Bluevisor19Work]

SO what your saying is you can talk the talk, but not walk the walk. I completly understand now, another Monday morning Quarterback. You say how Horrible things are and how basically we are a bunch of scrubs playing in a Glorifyed house league, but when someone cals your Bull$#!^
you weazel out of the way by saying, " Why issue a challenge when your team can't even make it to league games on time? ". What that has to do with the price of tea in China, I will never know.

Reguardless of who you are, you know who I am. If you are in the area Sunday, come watch another game. Hell, I will even go as far as to pay for your ticket myself. Then, after the game is over, you can tell me and the rest of my team face to face that you think we are a bunch of Glorifyed scrubs. Oh yea, BTW, have you even seen our roster, do you know who our players are ??? go to www.missionhockey.com and check out their Pro roller team. Stephen Campbell is on our squad, but he must be another Glorifyed house league player.

So you still havent answered my question, you wanna try and play with the big boys, or do you only apply full contact to your home life ?? If your man enough, you know how to reach me. Hope to see you on Sunday, I will have a ticket at the door in the name of CoachChrisG, so we dont have to hear 2 weeks more of whining about how you paid 7 bucks to watch a game !!!!

Eric


PS- You worry about your fan base out here, I will worry about mine at the rink on gameday. Even if your not a fan, you bought a ticket before , so thanks for the Support.

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ???

[Bluevisor19Work]

I think he came to see us ( The Outlawz ) In our 1st ever game. We charged 7 bucks at the door, and if you read my last post, I offered a free ticket to next game, so now your really getting the upper hand on MLRH, feel like a big man ?? Your really sticking it to Bill now !!

Eric

Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ???

[SpiderRat]

Amen Richard.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[SpiderRat]

That's cool playa, We'll send our goon out after you again, remember last time? Lol. What's going on my man? I'll call ya this afternoon. Later.

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[minutemen]

Maybe he's just that poor that he can't afford $5-$10 to see some hockey. That in itself is sad because he's got alot more issues then Hockey if he can't afford $5 bucks.

Morristown Minutemen Pro Minor Hockey Organization.

[GROWL]

Hey guys lets not start bashing this guy. He feels the way he does and that's that. I have to be honest and say he has many valid points, but several ridiculous arguements, which are mostly the personal attacks on bill and others. Let's not be just as bad.

[Superstar9]

hey coach chris,

I think with some of the statements, you might be confusing CHARLOTTE with CAROLINA.. there are 2 different teams down here almost 3 hours apart. We have never been late to a game and we dont charge $12 per game, we also aren't a hack goon squad, we've had one real fight all season. Im not going into this, just clearing up some things. We havent even been up north yet so check your facts.

Street

Street

www.OutlawzHockey.com

[Superstar9]

flynn, he's talking about 2 tickets, our admission is $6 in Charlotte and so far no one else has had a problem paying it. The other thing I dont get is that we've only had 2 home games... 1st one we lost with 4 secs on the clock and the 2nd we won in OT.... so neither were bad games...

Street


Street

www.OutlawzHockey.com

[Superstar9]

well said flynn....Rich can we get an "ignore" or "block user" button or what?

Street

Street

www.OutlawzHockey.com

[yokes]

Proving that you are completly clueless!!! Jamie did not want to deal with putting a team together and making the calls anymore, in fact, 2 seasons ago all that was on CJ to do. Jamie has always backed us and took care of our team. Even now that we arent in MSA anymore he still offered to help out Bill with filling the spot for a team that needed home games and players.

"Only God saves more than Yokes"

[Bluevisor19Work]

I will give you 1 guess who was in the forementioned fight, and I'll even give you a clue, HE WEARS A BLUE VISOR ....

No threats, Im not a starter, Im a finisher. So this conversation is finished. If you want a game, you got one waiting in Charlotte. Hope you drank your Hater-ade today cause you got a lot of typing to do tonight !! Those tickets will be at our door for you reguardless . . . .



Whose that idiot with the Blue Visor ???

[CoachChrisG]

Answer me this:

How many years have we heard the same "give us a chance to grow" line? How many chances with glorified NARCh and house league teams should we take? How many games where the teams can't be bothered to show up or even have matching uniforms?

You may laugh and say "here, take your 5 bucks then" but what does that say to the people you are trying to attract to games? You can be arrogant and thump your chest at anyone who has a problem with your professionalism but as long as you act like amateurs, you aren't going to have any fans.

Show you can do that, show some professionalsim and for once show some class and you will be given respect. Anything less is simply proving my point for me. Calling me out on this board does nothing for your credibility or your respect in the inline hockey community.

[Brooklynite10]

answer me this:
Do you have any clue what you are talking about ? You should really figure out who you are talking to and what they represent. I left the MLRH this season to play PIHA because I was unhappy with the league. so any comments in your previous post have no meaning. You never answered my question ? Do you think that the Carolina organization was trying to rip you off or simply seeking financial support for their team ?