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RichardGraham
04-21-2005, 02:37 AM
Hi Folks,

Interesting stuff.... from theaustraliannews.com

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Olympic sports go to vote
From Mark Lamport-Stokes in London
April 21, 2005

RUGBY gave an upbeat response while golf was more measured when the two sports today learned their chances of inclusion at the 2012 Olympic Games had marginally improved.

Either of those sports - which have been shortlisted with squash, roller sports and karate - could be added to the Games programme if a vote by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) on July 8 removes one of the existing 28.

"This is very encouraging news," Mark Egan, the International Rugby Board's (IRB's) Sevens tournament manager, said.

"Rugby has a lot to offer the Olympic Games and we believe we have an extremely strong case to be included.

"At the recent Rugby World Cup Sevens in Hong Kong, six IOC members attended the event and two of those gave us positive reports on what they saw.

"We had a 120,000 sell-out in Hong Kong over the three days and 700 million homes were broadcast to in over 100 countries in 11 languages, so we had a tremendous response at that event the fact."

Golf, like rugby, has previously been an Olympic sport and is played right across the globe.

However, scheduling problems are viewed as a potential obstacle to inclusion by the Royal and Ancient Club (R&A), which governs golf outside the United States and Mexico.

"It's true to say that the two (European and PGA) Tours are less supportive than they were (about golf's return to the Olympics),'' R&A chief executive Peter Dawson said.

They have issues over the scheduling of the (Olympic) event which could conflict (with Tour tournaments).

"We've made it very clear to the IOC that there are potentially huge scheduling difficulties. The thing I didn't realise is that the bidding cities for 2012 have some flexibility as to the dates (when the Olympics will be held)."

The R&A, however, is backing golf's bid to reappear at the Olympics.

All 28 Olympic sports will face the vote in Singapore and must win a majority from IOC members to avoid being dropped from the list. If a sport is dropped, the IOC executive board will select a replacement from a list of the five applicants.

The sport recommended by the executive board to replace an outgoing sport would first need a two-thirds majority to become an "Olympic sport" and would then need a simple majority in a second vote to be admitted to the 2012 Games programme.

The last sport to be removed from the Olympic Games was polo in 1936.

In 2002 the IOC decided to cap the numbers of sports at an Olympic Games at 28, the number of events at 301 and the number of athletes at 10,500.

At that same session in Mexico City, three sports facing exclusion - modern pentathlon, softball and baseball - were given a reprieve when members resisted a proposal to drop them and add golf and rugby.

Rugby was last an Olympic sport in 1924, when the United States triumphed.

The IRB believes its secret weapon to pave the way for a return is rugby sevens, which is more global than 15-a-side.

"The Rugby World Cup Sevens in March was probably the pinnacle of our presentation to the IOC on what we can deliver," said Egan.

"The fact that Fiji are world champions shows that smaller countries can potentially win a medal at the Olympic Games. It provides a great platform for countries to compete on the world stage.

"I'm not sure what the process will be from now until July but we have done all that the IOC have asked us to do."

Golf, which first featured as an Olympic sport at the 1900 Paris Games and for the second and last time four years later, also believes its own case has been made.

"Golf has put its bid in and replied to all subsequent questions and questionnaires,'' said Dawson.

"As far as I know, we have given the IOC programme staff all they need. It is now in the hands of the IOC as to what the outcome would be."

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Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

dcdonkey
04-29-2005, 02:59 AM
It's pretty much between golf and rugby, roller sports doesn't have a chance respectively. I'd probably assume golf will be inducted because of it's worldwide following. Rugby is followed just about everywhere as well (except North America) but I see golf as the favorite. Both of these sports actually bring some economical value to the Olympics. As you may know already, the Olympics are basically out to make a dollar as the countless advertisements demonstrate.

DannyG
04-29-2005, 06:21 PM
I find the catch-22 interesting:

Rugby can boast sold-out mega-stadia for its world-level premier events already. Golf is played in every country in the world...

The very thing that would give inline hockey a tremendous boost in it's world-wide development -inclusion in the olympics- isn't going to happen because it's not world-wide enough...duhhhhh....

not to say, blah, blah, blah, but I'm on record on this message board stating that inline hockey will not be included in the olympics prior to the year 2020. We understand that it is possible to get in before that, I am just saying that it won't, because of exactly the type of factors mentioned in this very news release.

I may be wrong (hope I am) but just remember where you heard it, and give me the footnote when you quote me...

<font color=purple>DannyG</font color=purple>

dcdonkey
04-30-2005, 12:43 AM
I'm fairly sure the selection will be golf. I believe they will have too many scheduling conflicts with rugby because they would use the same facilities for football. They would have to cut back on football and that's something I don't believe they're willing to do just yet.

boardman
05-01-2005, 08:06 AM
I would with hope disagree with your strong conviction that golf and rugby will be automatic choices. Although the R A have changed their rules to allow women to compete with men, not a totally backed acceptance, there would still be a very strong desire for a men?s and women?s competitions, which make organising a problem as dose the variable skill levels if all member countries take their places it would need to be a purely armature competition and might hence loose some appeal.
The same with rugby as the most of the women play 15's, the first choice being 7's is strongly male.
The first choice for roller sport is speed and there men and women can compete together and its also a first past the post tournament no judges, play offs or staged levels of competition.
In Europe roller sport needs to organise their sports in a different way so all the sports get better publicity, recognition and equal opportunity. If the IOC insist on capping the number of competitors attending as well as the number of sports, there will be strong pressure to drop team game events in favour of individual participant sports, as was the decision for the games to be held in only capital cities which if honestly applied would deprive the bigger wealthier countries and not help to keep the games alive.

dcdonkey
05-01-2005, 11:00 AM
Why would they disallow professional golfers? Do you really think they wouldn?t want to have players like Tiger Woods at their event for television AND advertising revenues?

Our current structure supports professional basketball players; therefore, creating a disproportionate talent base so the American team is stacked every year (skill-wise, obviously). It's obvious not all teams are going to be good, this shows in just about Olympic every sport. Therefore, a level-playing field issue may arise though I don't see it having any impact. Roller sports would have a much more level playing field so I suppose if equality was a goal, roller sports would have an advantage. Furthermore, the percentage of women that play golf is much higher than the fraction of women who play roller hockey.

psfye
05-02-2005, 05:40 AM
Boardman said: "In Europe roller sport needs to organise their sports in a different way so all the sports get better publicity, recognition and equal opportunity."

Can you explain what is your point? what is wrong with Europe organisation? and what should they do according to you?

NLane
05-02-2005, 08:00 AM
And women's field hockey has what men's sport to equal it in the Olympics?

boardman
05-02-2005, 12:48 PM
I have strong reservations about the way countries in CERS organise roller sport, as a member of one of the ?Johnny come lately? sports my views may be one sided. But it has been my impression that people took control of a sport to stop it expanding, and did not always represent the bulk of roller sport players in order to protect their sport.

dcdonkey
05-02-2005, 07:40 PM
There isn't a male-sided requirement to every woman?s sport. Male activities must have a female version to accompany; there's no inverse to this phenomena. This policy was implemented so that women get the representation in the Olympics that they were deprived of for so long. College athletics has a similar policy in hand.

DannyG
05-03-2005, 09:03 AM
Allow me to echo this sentiment...

In professional tennis, starting with Chris Evert, through Martina Navratilova, up to today's Williams sisters, fans' and sportswriters' admiration of athleticism can be shown to exist for women, when it gets the opportunity to be showcased.

International soccer star Dave Clemens was once asked when soccer was going to be accepted in this country. The sportswriter posing the question alluded to a situation where "kids in this country have grown up with it and understand it." Clemens replied that the sport might get there "when sportswriters have grown up with it."

When Girls/Women's sports get the same opportunity as men's, they are just as skilled, just as athletic, just as entertaining a sports market product to sell tickets to...

Perhaps inline hockey can be a legitimate avenue for a women's pro league, even before it makes it on the men's side of the house...

<font color=purple>DannyG</font color=purple>

dcdonkey
05-03-2005, 09:13 PM
Traditionally, women haven't been incredibly successful when it comes to professional sporting events. That?s not just speculation, that?s factual. Evidence is demonstrated in the problems of the WUSA soccer league that caused it to shutdown (however I'm not sure what their future plans are). I don't see any realistic chance in the near future of a women's professional league having such success until discrimination of women and minorities in the workplace and in our communities is eliminated. Perhaps a professional women?s league will be such a catalyst for this community reformation. We can only hope that such success does follow.

I do see the Olympic committee considering the impact of the professional female golf stars on the Olympics as well.

Football's success is a bit different. It's not the sportswriters but the media in general that would help football take off beyond what it is today (in America that is, it's obviously already the world's game). If the media doesn't play a crucial role, we wouldn't have over-rated athletes.