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RichardGraham
03-05-2005, 04:16 AM
Hi Folks,

This is an experiment. I don't have as much time to devote to Inline Hockey Central as I'd like to right now because I have to focus on making a living. I've been working off and on an article about high school inline hockey for a while now, and I have come to the realization that if I don't post the information I've gathered soon, I might never get to it. And this topic is too important for that to happen.

So I'd like to have some help from IHC's readers. If you know of any of these programs that I'm writing about below, please post your CONSTRUCTIVE comments in this thread, or add information about other programs that I didn't mention. (If you're just going to bitch, please complain somewhere else. Here, we're trying to grow the sport, not tear it apart.)

That said, ALL corrections to this story are welcome. As I've said, it's not been as finalized and polished as I'd like. Thank you.

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SOPHOMORE SAVIORS?
Can the growth of high school inline hockey save our sport?
by Richard Graham

March 4, 2005

Back in the late 1990s, inline hockey was booming. Millions of young people in North America dropped baseball and basketball and other traditional youth sports to join the growing craze. Since that time, however, inline hockey has seen a significant drop in the number of its participants.

Some attribute the shrinkage to the attraction of video games; the demise of Roller Hockey International, a professional league that gave players something to aspire to; and the increasing focus of many tournament series' on the elite players and teams, which caused the less-skilled recreational player to drop out of the sport when his better teammates were plucked away by tournament travel teams. Others say the problem is that there is no clearly accepted organization to administer the sport internationally, or that a glut of product by inline hockey manufacturers during the boom caused the market to drop out after the faddish adherents of the sport moved on to other things. Whatever the reasons, no one can deny that inline hockey has seen better days.

However, some inline hockey administrators believe that high school hockey might just be the key to an inline hockey renaissance.

According to Eddie Delgado of the Colorado High School Inline Hockey Association <A HREF="http://www.chsiha.org" target="_new">http://www.chsiha.org</A>, some high school inline hockey programs are going strong.

"Our high school division is going very well; as well as it's ever been. We had 65 teams last year, we're on an 80-plus pace right now. I believe the reason for the growth in our program is the enthusiasm of the kids who can now walk through their schools wearing their inline hockey jerseys, representing something that's meaningful to them. They no longer have to be envious of basketball and football players."

Colorado Confidence
Delgado, who also manages the Bladium Sports Club in Denver, said that the league began discussions with the Colorado High School Activities Association but received very little to no response.

"One parent heard the CHSAA commissioner say on a sports talk show that he didn't want to jump into inline hockey because he was not confident the sport was going to last. Well, we feel that it's been there all along," Delgado said.

Delgado added that the CHSAA is simply not enthusiastic about hockey in general, as it currently sanctions an ice hockey program that's had just 18 teams for the last 50 years.

"We have to build our credibility until it reaches the level of CHSAA and all of its sports," Delgado said. "This year, we formed a middle-school division with almost 20 teams. At the end of last season, word of mouth spread, and that division grew. When you consider the number of middle schools that surround high schools, we're very confident that it's going to be a hugely successful program."

California CIF
Don Cerone, a league administrator for San Diego's Metro Conference, has helped make inline hockey a varsity sport in San Diego. The Metro Conference is the athletics conference for the Sweetwater School District, and the CIF league was sanctioned by the Southern California Interscholastic Federation four years ago.

"It's the most important program in the state," says Joe Noris, who runs the Skate San Diego rink in National City, California.

And according to Cerone, it is the only true high school league that he is aware of.

"It's not private -- it's an actual high school league," said Cerone. "We started out our first league with eight teams 10 years ago. We've since grown into three leagues, comprised of 18 teams, many of which are sanctioned as club teams by their schools. Some teams have moved from club status to CIF. My son had been playing roller hockey; travel and rec. Coming into high school, he gave up baseball and other sports to focus on roller hockey. All the boys on his team were asking, 'Why can't we have a high school roller hockey team?'

"Being a good dad, I got all the information and found that you need a sponsor -- a teacher on campus . I found a counselor who was willing to be an advisor. We had the first club team in San Diego County. A lady whose son played on my son's travel team then started a team at San Pasqual. Our high school is Scripps Ranch.

Cerone had been trying to encourage others in the California to lead the charge and get CIF inline hockey started in their area, but was told, no chance, it won't happen. Cerone says he was told, " 'Not only won't you get CIF status, you won't get club status.'

Cerone felt that unlike some sports that are produced for kids, inline hockey was really different.

"I've coached Little League, and I coach high school baseball now," Cerone said. "I've coached baseball for years, the skill level is so high; some kids like it, some kids don't. Everybody who played roller hockey just loved it -- they got a good workout, and that passion got me excited and I wanted to see if we could make this happen.

Cerone says that inline hockey is not a "conventional sport," and that he could see it from the establishment's eye -- "What is that? Skateboarding? It's not really hockey."

But according to Cerone, "We've come a long way; it has been accepted. It has come so far in the last 10 years, it's really amazing. Funding is short for athletics; it doesn't excite a lot of people. This is a different group of kids that you get to meet; it's one of the most compelling arguments -- you get to reach the hockey players of Southern California. They're not playing the traditional high school sports.

"We've been so successful at Scripps -- we had an undefeated season. It's really neat. The kids see it as cool. In North County San Diego the following schools have roller hockey progams -- Scripps, Rancho Bernardo, Poway, Westview, Vista, La Jolla, La Jolla Country Day, and the San Diego Jewish Academy.

"Scripps plays at the city of Escondido facility; it's an excellent facility," Cerone added. "City rec departments and high schools are building rinks -- that stuff's happening. This is the best way... it's great for the sport, it helps local rinks, and it creates more desirability from the younger kids.

"Getting it into the schools was so important," Cerone said. "This sport can never be what we want it to be unless it's in the high schools and college or it will never be seen as legitimate as it can be. What major sport isn't in the schools? Rink owners know hockey, but they don't always understand business. If we organized statewide, we could get this in schools statewide. But I can't get rink owners involved; they ask, 'What's it going to do for me?' They don't tend to get it.

"Tournament series' laughed us off," Cerone said. "They said, 'It will never happen.' Lo and behold, they're having high school leagues. Our players want to play in tthose leagues, but when we ask them to move their seasons, because we can't move ours, they won't budge. The kids are torn -- if you play on a CIF team, you cannot play on any non-CIF teams. Every other sport is like that; soccer, softball, baseball, basketball -- they shut down during the high school season. They can make it up in the other nine months of the year," Cerone said.

"I'm a businessman, I know about the need to make money," Cerone said. "But no one outside of the sport knows what some of these tournaments are. We won the CIF title for our school, that's fantastic! If we want to get past our own little world, we have to get accepted by the larger world."

Michigan Mania
Leon Carlock is Michigan's state director for the Amateur Athletic Union.

"We run the high school program differently; there area three different programs under the state umbrella," Carlock said. "The state's program is the Michigan AAU Inline Hockey Club; underneath that are clubs that hold their own sanctioned activities -- Kensington Valley, the Great Lakes, and the Michigan Inline Hockey Association. All are separate clubs under the state banner. Sanctioned for two years, our first championship game was in June 2004. In 2005, the championship will be the weekend before Memorial Day."

Carlock's organization also sanctions other leagues; high school is a separate entity. "We're trying to bring the rinks in under this structure so we can cover all the rinks with one insurance policy and one set of rules," Carlock said.

"Jon Roux (of Pennsylvania) and I have two of the largest programs in the country," Carlock said. "We sent two teams from Michigan to last year's Junior Olympics andhave produced a number of high school All-American players; perhaps eight or nine. One of my teams finished fourth. We lost two rinks during the season; if we hadn't lost these rinks, our program would have doubled in size. The rinks went out of business a week before our season began. This spring, we should have around 250 to 300 kids playing. For teams to qualify, they have to play in a sanctioned league; and they have to all come from the same school.

"Most of our teams are club teams," Carlock said. "To get MHSAA sanctioning, you have to have 32 teams for two years. We may not be able to hit that number this year; the clock on that is still ticking. We do anticipate being able to do that in the next three or four years, however. On another point, high school athletic directors do have the ability to award varsity letters to their club teams, and about a third of them do. It's not mandated by the state; it's up to each individual athletic director. I have 3,000 members in Michigan.

According to Carlock, one of the problems that faces his program are the '10 percenters.'

"These are the elite travel teams that take the best players from rec league teams, which then collapse," Carlock said. "We purposely go for a different type of kid. I founded the Firebirds Hockey Club. We've had four AAU national champs, and put six to eight kids on Team USA, but we get no recognition because our central focus is the sport. Most of the kids we put on the floor are not what we call the "10 percenters" -- the elite players that play on traveling teams at major for-profit tournaments. We use those programs to leverage the house players to stay in hockey. That's why I have such a large program. We go all the way down to the league players and try to keep them in our program. This year, we're instituting a Team Michigan program. The AAU is allowing me to compete outside the state as Team Michigan. I will form teams at all different levels, beginners; girls, little kids; attempting through this inducement program to keep the kids in the sport."

Carlock says there is a price to pay for the elite tournaments' success.

"You wouldn't believe how many shattered kids I have to pick up each year," Carlock said. "They have nowhere to go. We attempt to survive in this environment. I use my club completely within the AAU. The clubs don't play in the major elite tournaments; the kids do, but the clubs don't. The only way we can survive is to offer more. Right now, we're in this flat zone and the sport's not growing. I'm very worried... What happens is that we go to a tournament and there are three or four elite teams and my team. My teams get very tired of playing them; a lot of animosity builds up. We leave the area and go to Joe Dumars and play over there. It's a problem if you only cater to one level; you can't keep enough bodies in that level to grow the sport. I'm pushing for house leagues statewide so that you can drive all across the state and play another team in a league game. That's exciting to a 12-year-old. He gets to travel, wear his team's jersey, and not get killed by all-star teams.

"Michigan has the largest AAU membership in the country," Carlock said. "What I'm setting up at the state level here will be set up in the other states. "

Missouri on the Move
Ron Beilsten of the Missouri Inline Hockey Association says his program is growing.

"Our program is doing fine; high school inline hockey is one of the areas in our sport that has shown some growth over the past two or three years. We're anxious to see what happens with it in 2005. In the high school division, we've had 90-95 teams consistently. Two seasons ago, we added a junior high and middle school program and ended up with 10 teams in our first go at it. Last year, we increased that number to 16. This year we're looking to grow to perhaps 30 teams."

Beilsten owns a multipurpose rink like Joe Noris' rink in San Diego, which has been converted to house hockey. Part of the Missouri Inline Hockey Association, Beilsten's teams play at Perry Turnbull's rink and Greg Gawrys All-American rink, among others.

"Basically, Greg Gawrys and myself have hired a league commissioner, we stay behind the scenes, steer it, try to make sure the rules are right, and put someone in charge who has time to dedicate to it," Beilsten said.

"Tom Will has done an awesome job for us," Beilsten said. "We have a lot of help with our referees through Tom Mix and Mark Leesi. They help us out a ton on the referees. At the high school level we had a schedule of 750 games in a short time frame; from second week of March to the third week of May."

Beilsen acknowledges that inline hockey faces big challenges.

"We're at the exact polar opposite of where we were when the sport was booming," Beilsten said. "Ice was hot, inline was hot. Now we're at the other end of the spectrum. It's a piece of this puzzle that we need; there's no recognizable pro league. Hockey couldn't be in worse shape with the NHL lockout."

Beilsten also coaches the Lindenwood College inline hockey team, and hopes to make his youth league a stepping stone.

"We try to make players aware of college activities, to tie our high school program and let them know about the college options. But I don't have a brochure that explains to a kid's parents -- here's all that you can do with this, from pickup hockey to getting your college education. The industry needs to produce something like this -- a nonpartisan brochure about the game. One piece of paper that tells everybody everything -- whether the player is a beginner or an elite level national player. We're fighting to get more players interested, we're fighting ice hockey. Let's get back to the basics; let's work with what we've got."

Pennsylvania Propulsion
Jon Roux runs the Pennsylvania Interscholastic Roller Hockey League in McMurray, Pennsylvania, <A HREF="http://www.pirhl.net/" target="_new">http://www.pirhl.net/</A>.

"It's our first year," Roux said. "In 2003/04, the rink ran it and had 72 teams. The league started in 1999 and has grown from six to 72 club teams, a few of which are not regulated by the schools. Some schools actually letter the teams, and all are sanctioned by the AAU. We just keep growing. We have three tiers, based on skill ability for each level; it's possible for each school to have 10 teams in a league. A couple schools have as many as nine or ten teams, in order to accommodate them, we have several different tiers. We have 1,000 members, refs, coaches and players."

Florida Fires Up
Mike Miller runs the Palm Beach Hockey Organization, based in Lakewood, <A HREF="http://www.pbho.com" target="_new">http://www.pbho.com</A>, Florida.

"I've been involved in roller hockey since 1993 or 1994 as a referee with the National Inline Hockey Association and then USA Hockey InLine," Miller said. "I ran the Palm Beach SkateZone for four or five years in Lakewood. They had started a scholastic league, but it became a glorified travel league, so we started cracking down on the rules. We have six middle-school teams, six JV teams, and six varsity teams. They're not club teams yet, but some schools will announce upcoming games and scores. The high schools are not liable, and as a result, they became more helpful. Not many teams are recognized as club teams."

The league has plans to raise the minimum grade point average to 2.5 from 2.0.

"If we'd done that two years ago, we wouldn't have had a league!" Miller said. "The parents shell out the dough, but they're here to watch the games -- help from them is few and far between. Some teams have team moms, but it's tough to find volunteers to coach. It's tougher now, the economy is definitely a big part of the reason for that. There are lots of airline employees in this area, and lots of people are losing jobs. We play at an indoor rink and that's not cheap. Outdoor rinks charge next to nothing. But top teams come from those rinks for our stronger competition."

Colorado Cooks
Frank Harned administers the Douglas County High School inline hockey team in Colorado.

"The process really started back in 1996 with the Rock Roller Hockey League, in which I was the president," Harned said.

"This was a grassroots organization in the city of Castle Rock. The program started with 60 participants, and in the three years following, it had grown to more than 300 players, ranging from the ages of five to 17. We knew then that we needed to take it to the next level -- high school. In 2001, I was approached by previous RRHL Board members to help establish a team at Douglas County High School, within the newly formed Colorado High School Inline Hockey Association (CHSIHA). We were one of the founding schools in that league and we remain one of the league's flagship programs."

Harned says that the league started with about 20 teams representing schools all over Colorado.

"The league requires you to attend the school for which you playing," Harned said. "This eliminates teams being stacked with the best players from various schools. You can find out more information on CHSIHA at their web site <A HREF="http://CHSIHA.org" target="_new">http://CHSIHA.org</A>. The league expects more than 80 teams this season, competting in the Varsity and JV Levels."

"Even though we are not a CHSAA-sanctioned sport, DCHS has embraced the program and is allowing our varsity players to 'letter' if they meet the strict lettering criteria," Harned said.

"In our second year, we entered two teams because we lacked enough goaltenders," Harned added. "Both varsity and JV won their divisions. Varsity went on to finish third in the State Championship Series, and JV lost in the second round. Our varsity coach, Jim Maccalous, was named coach of the year. In our third season we entered three teams. All three teams won their divisions and the JV "A" team won the JV State championship, posting a 17-1 record. We had numerous players make the all-star teams, and our Varsity goalie was named goaltender of the year."

Harned hopes to surpass last season's accomplishments this year.

"This year we are entering four teams; one Varsity and three JV teams," Harned said. "We have 52 players, seven coaches, and seven administrators in the DCHS program. We credit this growth and success to the devotion of the administrative and coaching staff. All of the coaches have a minimun of seven years coaching experience in both ice and/or inline. Three of the coaching staff have prior high school and college hockey playing experience. I alone have over 30 years experience as a player, coach, referee and adminsitrator. All of our current staff have participated in RRHL in one capacity or another."

Harned says that his staff feels that the RRHL's feeder program has contributed to the success of its players.

"I have coached some of these players since they were seven and eight years old," Harned said. "Recognizing that a feeder program is a key reason for success, I helped two Castle Rock Middle Schools get their programs established for the currently running middle-school league through CHSIHA. Again, these clubs, which total five teams, will help establish DCHS players of the future. This league keeps growing every year, and I do not see it stopping. As more facilities come online, the talent pool gets bigger, which is good to see. I want to thank all the people associated with each school -- not only DCHS --because without their support and efforts, we would not be at the point we are at now."

Harned sais the some graduating seniors have moved on and are now playing at the college level at Colorado University and Colorado State University.

"The collegiate level needs to be improved," Harned said. "It needs more schools to participate. But in the next few years, I am sure that with the efforts of the high school and middle schools, that program will excel, too. I'm hoping that in the near future we can see the reestablishment of a professional league."

Flying in Florida
Jackie Blake and Tony Dutton are the driving forces behind the Central Florida High School Roller Hockey Club, which has been operating in Orlando for the past six years.

"We started with five teams at an indoor rink, and the next year, the county built a state-of-the-art outdoor rink," Blake said. "We're working with the county to fulfill our dream of getting a roof. The county plans to pay for it to be covered soon, so that's a good sign. We had up to 120 teams one year; this year we'll have more kids per team and fewer teams; close to 100."

Inline hockey is a club sport in Orlando, and Blake says she has been told by the powers that be that it is 'not sanctioned and never will be.' To raise funds, the players have worked with a booster club and parked cars.

Blake got into the sport because her sons play inline hockey, and she says that a nearby indoor rink competes with her program for players.

"They have been trying to get our teams; and they get some," Blake admits. "But there's a big price difference; we charge $350 per team, they charge $600. We have two eight-game seasons; October to December and mid-January to late February or early March. Our games are three 15-minute periods each, and we have a championship each season."

Blake says that there are other high school club programs in nearby Kissimmee and Mary, Florida.

"I do not think it will become an officially sanctioned high school sport in Florida," Blake said. "We have tried in the past. The schools in Florida are hurting for money so much so that they will not sanction another sport. The last one they sanctioned was lacrosse a few years ago."

Blake says that she and Dutton were so passionate about getting inline hockey going in Orlando that they raised money and got the county to build a rink.

"We stuck with it through the years -- starting off with five teams, and building to 12 at one point," Blake said. "It fluctuates. We have held it together -- never drawing salaries -- but just for the love of the sport. We still work at it, but we are back down to six teams. We hope that more teams will join in the second half of the season."

Ohio Inline
Bob Cooney runs the Southwest Ohio School Inline Hockey Association <A HREF="http://www.sohainlinehockey.com" target="_new">http://www.sohainlinehockey.com</A> in the Kings Mill School District in Mainfield, north of Cincinnati, and has been involved in inline hockey for about ten years, since his son Bobby was about eight or nine.

"I got involved with high school hockey the year before Bobby graduated from junior high school," Cooney said. "There are six schools in our club organization, which is the Ohio Association of High School Sports. We brought in our own liability insurance so that the schools are not liable.

"All high schools are skating under their high school's names, most with high school logos," Cooney said. "At HockeyDome, our high school bused kids to the facility. It is a parent-sponsored organization. The schools don't pay for anything. In the past, we looked at the costs. Each school team independently decided how to fund their program -- skatathons, sponsorship by local businesses, etc. One player, Brant Fisher, did our Web site, and won second place in a Web-site creator contest.

"There are 225 kids, parents and coaches in the program and we have one to two new teams coming in," Cooney said.

"The focus on the elite player by independent tournament series' is a problem. Tournaments tell us we're taking kids away from their high school divisions, but my son and his teammates wouldn't be playing if it wasn't for the ability to wear their high school jerseys. The University of Cincinnati has an inline hockey team coming; we're trying to work with the National Collegiate Roller Hockey Asociation."

Positive Prognostication
To close on a positive note, Colorado's Eddie Delgado is bullish on inline hockey's future.

"The high school kids and their parents are enthusiastically merchandising their teams; they sell baseball caps, T-shirts, sweatshirts, etc.," Delgado said. "Teams are outfitted down to their pants and helmets. That type of enthusiasm and support from the commununity is just overwhelming. Sponsors are coming out of the woodwork; small local community business people picking up the ball and supporting their local high schools. This helps offset the costs for the players. We try to encourage that through our Web site, through meetings with owners of car dealerships on down to owners of pizza shops and bakeries. We also go to Chamber of Commerce expos. We go to the school district election meetings and speak to board members. They love it; they like to see the community step up and fill the gaps caused by budget cuts. The Colorado Board of Education supports us wholeheartedly."

According to Delgado, local rinks have formed a coalition.

"We have talked more in last few years than we ever did in the past," Delgado said. "We have to start working at the grassroots level. It's a challenge, but we know that we have to get the new and the younger kids playing."

Let us all hope that the passion and hard work by these high school inline hockey administrators rubs off on the rest of us, and that our sport achieves the renaissance that it deserves -- and sorely needs.

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Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

RichardGraham
03-06-2005, 09:18 PM
All right, Folks,

This is a damn important post, and I'd like some REPLIES!

Thank you. /wtimages/icons/wink.gif

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

T_Davis
03-06-2005, 10:03 PM
In Western PA, high school inline is growing and as a rink owner and a parent of inline players, I see the need for it to continue. We have inhouse teams, travel teams and also a semi-pro team, but strong growth most likely will come from the school league. Kids want to play for their high school and they also want to play with their buddies, but it is essential that the rec leagues and travel are also there. Some kids just don't have the option at their school and the stronger players need the travel to continue improvement and to be challenged. It seems there are more options than I thought in the college inline world, but this also needs more growth. The more credibility the sport gets, the quicker and stronger growth we'll get. Take the time and get your school started or get involved if your school already has teams.

RichardGraham
03-06-2005, 10:38 PM
Hi T,

Thanks for your post. I really appreciate it. To me, high school inline hockey's growth, or lack thereof, will play a huge part in our sport's future. I hope that I simply posted the story at a time when few people were online, because the lack of response to the article is depressing. Inline hockey is in a very difficult place, and we need all the good news we can get. I feel that there's a lot of good news in the high school article I posted, and if no one agrees, then I feel that I'm completely out of the loop and wasting my time... and that of my readers.

I'm glad to see that high school inline hockey is growing in western Pennsylvania, and I really appreciate your post. Keep up the good work. I appreciate what you're doing, and I salute you for the message you put across in your post.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

MDE3
03-07-2005, 12:12 AM
I agree Rich, and it was a great read.

I think Marple in the western Philadelphia area also has a strong high schol program.

One of the problems we have locally is that the only truly &quot;local&quot; rink, has a latex over concrete surface, and so many who have played there, have problems when they go elsewhere on Sport Court. They subsequently tend to &quot;pooh pooh&quot; this facility, because the puck behaviour and the skating are so much different....This has led to the travel players who would normally form the nucleus of a high school program, not really wanting to play anything but rec hockey and only occasionally in this venue.

When you play on this floor to where you become used to it, you are then at a serious disadvantage on a regular sports floor. Without the key players being enthusiastic about growing the sport...in great part due to the facility, there was no strong effort by anyone to promote this to the high schools recently.

In the late nineties, they did have a four team high school league, both at the Varsity as well as the Junior Varsity levels, but it was totally unsanctioned by the schools..

The schools even had trouble allowing the teams to use the school district's regional identification. This was in great part due to the jealously guarded pool of athletic talent in a small region, where the high school coaches wanted no other sport to take athletic time away from the "big three".

Combine this attitude with a lack of enthusiasm by key players due to the facility, and the sport is very slow locally now.

From our local region, the only players who have grown in the sport, have done so by going elsewhere.

number19
03-07-2005, 08:47 PM
I play in the moiha. The league is growing every year. But i think that the league play does not really compare to my house league. I think that there are probaly only a handful of standout teams in the varsity divison.
I forgot to mention this but does anyone else notice that it seems like highschool hockey is played differently than it would be in your regular league. Around hear it seems like they try to play more of an ice style of game.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by number19 on 03/07/05 07:51 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

extremes55
03-08-2005, 07:27 AM
O M G

this is the 10,000 post in this forum ever

what did i win Richard?

RichardGraham
03-08-2005, 04:02 PM
Hi Robb,

Congratulations! You are the submitter of the 10,000th post in the Inline Hockey Forum on IHC!!

Had you made an on-topic post about high school inline hockey, you would have won $10,000 U.S.!!! /wtimages/icons/shocked.gif

Unfortunately, since you didn't, I will have to keep the prize money for myself. However, you SHOULD feel good about being number 10,000! /wtimages/icons/wink.gif

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

NLane
03-08-2005, 05:40 PM
hahahaha

extremes55
03-08-2005, 09:06 PM
haha thanks richard!

zipyaj
01-29-2008, 07:01 PM
Hi Richard!

I just found this posting and was dazzled by how much you researched and wrote on this topic then - a great read even today! And I am going to school on it, too.

As you know, high school roller hockey continues to thrive. Many of the same people you mention in your 2005 text are still active; a long list of names and leagues across the US.

I was somewhat dismayed of the few posts regarding high school hockey when so many are involved; maybe they're all too busy getting their high schoolers to the next practice or game or running the league? When you wrote this post, some kids, at least, were middle school players and today make up our high school leagues.

As a quick add to the California text and references cited in 2005, the CIF San Diego section's Metropolitan League was up to 20 schools in 2007. Up the coast northward in Orange County,
the Interscholastic Hockey Federation (IHF www.ihf-hockey.org (http://www.ihf-hockey.org/)) has 56 teams from 29 area high schools and serves approx. 700 student athletes in the current 2007-08 season.

Any time you're ready to resurrect this project, please let me know!

Thanks for all you do!

Jay

Hocki
01-30-2008, 01:43 PM
The school districts don't make it easy for a high school hockey team to thrive. Especially in a small area like the one we live in.

For the most part, the athletic departments support their standard sports (i.e: football, baseball, basketball, soccer...etc). They do not want to share "Booster Club" money with any other sport. (or in our case even the music dept) You can petition to make inline hockey a club sport, and thankfully in our area, they have allowed it.

Our league fell to 5 teams, as one HS did not feel they were they had enough talented players. It's a shame to lose them, however; they do plan to return next season.

Just 40 minutes away, in the city, there is another HS Hockey League that appears to be thriving. (though they are still considered a club sport there too) They have different skill divisions for each school to enter into. I don't know how many teams are in each. If things do not go well in our area, at least there is an option to join the other league.

It's a huge expense to put together a league. I believe each of our teams had to raise $1200 just to cover the rink fees. Then another $1200 for the uniforms, practice time, and sponsor gifts. Our main fundraiser was a dinner/silent auction and exhibition. From there we had to find team sponsors. It's a lot of work... but worth it.

I have to reread the San Diego clip above... it's nice to know that somone had success in getting their sport into "sanctioned" status. Maybe there's hope for us after all!

5280
01-30-2008, 03:45 PM
A couple of years ago, I spent some time talking with Ed Delgado, who runs one of the high school programs here, and he pointed out that you have to be careful what you wish for, with respect to the school districts sanctioning the sport as more than a club sport.

Yes, the kids can get letters and more recognition within the school, but there are significant negatives, too. Costs go way up, because, if it's a school sport, you need to provide buses to the venues, certain levels of paid supervision, etc. Plus, the schools can place restrictions on the times and days of practices and games.....there's a whole level of regulation that you may fall under, which we currently avoid.

Under our current set-up in Colorado, the schools have virtually nothing to do with the leagues. But, they generally have provided some level of acknowledgement of accomplishments in school newspapers and assemblies.

Net-net, I think I prefer it this way.

zipyaj
01-31-2008, 12:23 PM
There are a lot of efforts people have invested into making High School Roller Hockey leagues successful across the country. With the division between USA Hockey Inline and AAU Hockey and the lack of any organization to bond these leagues together, ofter times leagues are forced to reinvent the aged wheel to overcome common obstacles... if only we could find some better means to share our successes and failures for the common good.

I for one look forward to seeing more discussions on this important topic.

Jay Piz
Director (member)
Interscholastic Hockey Federation (IHF)
Orange County, CA

Here's a list of High School Roller Hockey Leagues and organizations that may offer assistance.

NameStateWebArizona Inline Hockey Association (AIHA)AZwww.aiha.info (http://www.aiha.info/)Arizona Interscholastic Inline Hockey Association (AZiiHA)AZhttp://www.aziiha.org/ (http://www.aziiha.org/)PARHA High School LeagueAZhttp://www.rollerplex.com/ (http://www.rollerplex.com/)Prescott Youth Hockey AssociationAZwww.prescottyouthhockey.com (http://www.prescottyouthhockey.com/)California Interscholastic Federation (CIF), Metropolitan ConferenceCANA - see RinksCentral Coast High School Hockey League (CCHSHL)CAhttp://www.centralcoastsportsarena.com/ (http://www.centralcoastsportsarena.com/)Interscholastic Hockey Federation (IHF)CAwww.ihf-hockey.org (http://www.ihf-hockey.org/)San Diego Co. Roller Hockey Conference (SDCRHC)CANA - see RinksSweetwater Union School DistrictCAhttp://www.suhsd.k12.ca.us/Colorado High School Inline Hockey Association (CHSIHA)COwww.chsiha.org (http://www.chsiha.org/)Deltona Roller Hockey ClubFLhttp://www.orgsites.com/fl/deltonahockey/ (http://www.orgsites.com/fl/deltonahockey/)Florida Inline Scholastic Hockey (FISH)FLhttp://www.pbskatezone.com/ (http://www.pbskatezone.com/)Naples Roller Hockey LeagueFLhttp://www.naplesrollerhockey.org/ (http://www.naplesrollerhockey.org/)Palm Beach Hockey Organization (PBHO)FLwww.pbho.com (http://www.pbho.com/)Atlanta Area Roller Hockey Organization (AARHO)GAwww.aarho.com/ (http://www.aarho.com/)McLean County Youth Hockey Assn (MCYHA)IL http://www.heartlandhockey.net/ (http://www.heartlandhockey.net/)Crescent City Hockey LeagueLAhttp://www.cchl.org/Michigan High School Inline Hockey AssociationMINA - see AAU HockeyMichigan Roller Hockey AssociationMIhttp://www.mrha.info/ (http://www.mrha.info/)Missouri High School Inline Hockey Association (MOIHA)MOhttp://www.moiha.org/ (http://www.moiha.org/)Carolina Scholastic Hockey League (CSHL)NChttp://www.cshl.us/ (http://www.cshl.us/)Sierra Inline Hockey LeagueNVhttp://www.sierrainline.com/East Fishkill Roller Hockey LeagueNYhttp://www.efrhl.com/ (http://www.efrhl.com/)High School Roller Hockey League of Long Island (HSRHL)NYwww.hsrhlofli.com/ (http://www.hsrhlofli.com/)Islandwide High School Roller HockeyNYhttp://www.ihsrh.com/ (http://www.ihsrh.com/)Ohio Interscholastic Roller Hockey League (OIHRL)OHhttp://www.oirhl.com/ (http://www.oirhl.com/)Southwest Ohio School Inline Hockey AssociationOHhttp://soha-hockey.com/ (http://soha-hockey.com/)Pennsylvania Inline Roller Hockey League (PIRHL)PAhttp://www.pirhl.net/ (http://www.pirhl.net/)Pennsylvania Inline Roller Hockey League (PIRHL)PAhttp://www.pirhl.net/ (http://www.pirhl.net/)Houston High School Inline Hockey (HHSIL)TX http://hhsihockey.org/ (http://hhsihockey.org/)Alexandria Inline Hockey League (AIHL)VAwww.mlrh.com (http://www.mlrh.com/)Ashburn Inline Hockey, Inc. (AIHI) VAwww.ashburninlinehockey.com (http://www.ashburninlinehockey.com/)Fauquier County Roller Hockey LeagueVAwww.fcrhl.com/ (http://www.fcrhl.com/)Potomac Inline Hockey League (PIHI)VAwww.Potomachockey.com Virginia Scholastic Inline Hockey League (VSIHL)VANA

zipyaj
01-31-2008, 12:32 PM
My apologies for the poor format on the links posted earlier... here's a list of High School Roller Hockey leagues. There are indeed others and many organized by various facilities which are not listed below.

Hope this helps!

Arizona
Arizona Inline Hockey Association (AIHA) www.aiha.info (http://www.aiha.info)
Arizona Interscholastic Inline Hockey Association (AZiiHA) http://www.aziiha.org/
PARHA High School League http://www.rollerplex.com/
Prescott Youth Hockey Association www.prescottyouthhockey.com (http://www.prescottyouthhockey.com)
California
California Interscholastic Federation (CIF), Metropolitan Conference NA - see Rinks
Central Coast High School Hockey League (CCHSHL) http://www.centralcoastsportsarena.com/
Interscholastic Hockey Federation (IHF) www.ihf-hockey.org (http://www.ihf-hockey.org)
San Diego Co. Roller Hockey Conference (SDCRHC) NA - see Rinks
Sweetwater Union School District http://www.suhsd.k12.ca.us/
Colorado
Colorado High School Inline Hockey Association (CHSIHA) www.chsiha.org (http://www.chsiha.org)
Florida
Deltona Roller Hockey Club http://www.orgsites.com/fl/deltonahockey/
Florida Inline Scholastic Hockey (FISH) http://www.pbskatezone.com/
Naples Roller Hockey League http://www.naplesrollerhockey.org/
Palm Beach Hockey Organization (PBHO) www.pbho.com (http://www.pbho.com)
Georgia
Atlanta Area Roller Hockey Organization (AARHO) www.aarho.com/ (http://www.aarho.com/)
Illinois
McLean County Youth Hockey Assn (MCYHA) http://www.heartlandhockey.net/
Louisiana
Crescent City Hockey League http://www.cchl.org/
Michigan
Michigan High School Inline Hockey Association NA - see AAU Hockey
Michigan Roller Hockey Association http://www.mrha.info/
Missouri
Missouri High School Inline Hockey Association (MOIHA) http://www.moiha.org/
North Carolina
Carolina Scholastic Hockey League (CSHL) http://www.cshl.us/
Nevada
Sierra Inline Hockey League http://www.sierrainline.com/
New York
East Fishkill Roller Hockey League http://www.efrhl.com/
High School Roller Hockey League of Long Island (HSRHL) www.hsrhlofli.com/ (http://www.hsrhlofli.com/)
Islandwide High School Roller Hockey http://www.ihsrh.com/
Ohio
Ohio Interscholastic Roller Hockey League (OIHRL) http://www.oirhl.com/
Southwest Ohio School Inline Hockey Association http://soha-hockey.com/
Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania Inline Roller Hockey League (PIRHL) http://www.pirhl.net/
Texas
Houston High School Inline Hockey (HHSIL) http://hhsihockey.org/
Virginia
Alexandria Inline Hockey League (AIHL) www.mlrh.com (http://www.mlrh.com)
Ashburn Inline Hockey, Inc. (AIHI) www.ashburninlinehockey.com (http://www.ashburninlinehockey.com)
Fauquier County Roller Hockey League www.fcrhl.com/ (http://www.fcrhl.com/)
Potomac Inline Hockey League (PIHI) www.Potomachockey.com (http://www.Potomachockey.com)
Virginia Scholastic Inline Hockey League (VSIHL) NA

AZHockeyGuy
01-31-2008, 12:56 PM
As for AZ's highschool hockey situation, AZiiha is no more, and the AIHA has started it for this season. In our inaugural season we are starting out with 8 teams. Not bad for us. It's a start. Check it out at AIHA.info.

zipyaj
01-31-2008, 01:41 PM
Thank you for the updater on the AZiiHA organization and best of luck with your season!

I have visited your web site and would like to learn more about Arizona Inline Hockey Association (AIHA) as an organization and its teams. I see that you are AAU sanctioned and run games on the two period USARS format. I am curious to learn how the high school teams are structured. For example, are they "pure" as in only from the high school they (unofficially) represent, or are they "draft" teams comprised of players from one or more schools in an area, home schoolers, etc.? I realize that this policy varies from league-to-league. For example, our IHF league players can only be from the high school they attend whereas I observe some teams such as the Santa Barbara High School team (from the Central Coast High School Hockey League) is made up of players from all three local high schools.

I also saw Centennial HS compete at the NARCh Winternationals here in Irvine. They did AZ proud in the high school division!

I am also the DMOZ editor for the High School Roller Hockey category. If you'd like to prepare some description of your league for me I would gladly edit and enter it into this free directory (http://www.dmoz.org/Sports/Hockey/Roller_Hockey/High_School/ (http://www.dmoz.org/Sports/Hockey/Roller_Hockey/High_School/)).

Thanks again and good luck AZHockeyGuy!

AZHockeyGuy
02-01-2008, 02:03 AM
Well, this is our first season in the High school division so we are taking it slow. 6 of the teams are pure teams and 2 are co-op teams. The 2 co-op teams are from geographically limited regions of AZ. We are nurturing this division along as it represents a large amount of players and a big stepping stone for the sport.

As for the AIHA it began back in 1999 as a coalition of rinks that banded together to create their own tournament series and share revenue. It is primarily a grass roots style organization because at the time of its inception there was nothing like it. The corporate tourneys (which were the only things going at the time) didn't, and still don't, serve the kids and the adults that can't compete with the best in the country. That is where the AIHA comes in.

Also, it serves as a significant financial support mechanism for rinks that choose to build the sport and offer recreational leagues. Once rinks meet a number of criteria such as participation and new player development through recreational leagues they are granted a hosted tournament. Through the AIHA rinks pledge to send their teams to each others tournaments to continue hosting a tournament. During a one weekend tournament a rink is generally maxed out on one pad (that's all we poor arizonans can muster :) ) at approximately $220 an hour after paying refs and scorekeepers. It sure beats the $75 an hour that NARCh usually pays and helps keep rinks afloat. Plus it creates a legitimate state championship with full state representation.

I think you will notice a striking resemblance between the AIHA and other fairly recently created organizations such as WIHA. This is a very watered down version of the history and ongoings but it's a start.

zipyaj
02-17-2008, 02:32 PM
Switching gears just a bit....

Further to the on-going dialogue regarding high school roller/inline hockey and all parties concerned, you may find an interesting read in an article posted by Inline Hockey Central's Richard Graham earlier today. In his article WRAPPIN’ UP A look back at the 2008 Let’s Play Hockey International Expo, Richard reveals that he was was flown in and set up in a hotel room at the show by AAU National Chair Keith Noll. Aside from the expected industry coverage, Richard's article obviously includes numerous references to the AAU and to the high school roller hockey topic.

In my opinion, there are good reasons for the AAU to invite Richard's presence; not only is Inline Hockey Central a great voice for and champion of roller hockey, but Richard has done a lot of research on the high school (scholastic) hockey topic - just read this High School Inline Hockey forum string dating back to March 2005 for example.

IF you are an AAU affiliated high school roller hockey organization you may have been in attendance at the Let’s Play Hockey International Expo and the AAU/USA events including a gathering of high school coaches and administrators. If you are not, then you'll have to rely on sources such as Richard. Even so, you may recognize the powerhouse names present for their exhibits and sessions such as George Pickard of USARS; Jon Roux of the PIRHL (PA) and AAU Western PA District; Eddie Delgado of the Colorado High School Inline Hockey League; Ian Mackie of the Missouri Inline Hockey Association; and Ken Murchison of the Anaheim Hockey Club of Corona (CA) - a recent union with the NHL's Anaheim Ducks franchise, to name a few.

Richard's article calls to his reader's attention something that many of us, AAU affiliated or not, can likely agree with through the comments of Keith Noll when speaking on the significance of high school inline hockey being a bright spot in the sport.

(excerpt) “That’s the fastest growing segment in roller hockey – the scholastic divisions,” Noll said. “For this sport to be very successful in the long term, that is where it’s going to come from for the most part. You create that interest at the school level, and everybody wants to wear their school colors.”

Already being on record that scholastic leagues are likely to power the future growth of our sport, I am in accord with Mr. Noll's position. From the top ranks of the NHL to the bottom of the pyramid and youth rec. programs, this sport has also recognized the importance of scholastic hockey for sometime. Observe, for example, when the Carolina Hurricanes provided seed money to the Central Carolina Hockey League to organize middle school and high school inline programs, or when the Thrashers hit the streets and went to the rinks in the area, whether ice or inline or church gyms, that created interest in hockey and the subsequent growth of Georgia's High School Roller Hockey League. Even Hollywood has influenced this sport when, on October 2, 1992, Coach Bombay introduced the Flying "V" and the Mighty Ducks were launched by Disney and spawned a growth phenom for this industry. Today, those little kids who watched that movie are playing high school roller hockey! And there are more.

Aside from the obvious values and benefits of interscholastic competition for student athletes, the high school program also provides role models and a platform for youth players and to the future both in terms of their longevity in the sport and the fiscal health of the facilities and industry alike. Our high school ranks also feed the ever-growing collegiate roller and ice hockey programs.

In Southern California, our high school leagues are flourishing. The San Diego area can boast having the only state CIF santioned league. Northward to the IHF league in Orange County, growth has been from a handful of teams to today with 55 teams and 29 high school clubs from four counties. Northern California's Central Coast High School Hockey League and others also continue to demonstrate both growth and interest.

In light of the growth, there are still obstacles ahead for scholastic roller/inline hockey. That being said, I will simply refer to the following quote:

“There has been so much fragmentation in the sport. It doesn’t matter whether it’s USA Roller Sports or USAHIL fighting with each other… it goes all the way through the sport – manufacturers can’t even agree which show to attend. Now you’re seeing that the Let’s Play Hockey is the best show, no doubt about it, it’s the place to be. People understand – support one major group in all this stuff and you’re going to be better off in helping the sport get there. You can’t just keep fighting with each other.”
– Keith Noll, Amateur Athletic Union

But questions remain...

As always, this observer strives for answers and remains receptive to your observations and opinions.

indiangoalie33
03-13-2008, 03:34 PM
i love chsiha its an amazing league it doesnt cost that much either, i like everything about it and love the colorado competition. but one thing i would change is some of the rules they are way to strict or maybe change some of AAu's rules, but i love it and arvada west high school owns everyone (my school) another thing is we should pressure the schools and state programs to make roller hockey a letter sport or a school sponsored one, there are over 600 players in our league i think which is crazy!

zipyaj
03-13-2008, 04:14 PM
indiangoalie33

You are indeed fortunate to participate in the Colorado High School Inline Hockey League (CHSIHL) created through the hard efforts of Eddie Delgado and others. It's a first class league, well-organized and respected around the country. I am pleased to hear how much you like the competition and appreciative for your comments in this thread. And hoorah for your school spirit!

As a native of Lakewood but long-since transplanted to California, I still like to follow the local sports scene (Go Bronocs!, and even the Avalanche, but not when they're playing the Ducks). I also have two young nephews who play at Rocky Mountain Roller Hockey (RMH) and they, like their older cousin who plays for his Varsity team here in our IHF league, have high hopes to play for their school teams one day soon.

As for gaining state sanction, we all have that similar goal and share in some common pains. However, you would do well to trust in the capable hands of the CHSIL and continue to do everything you can to positively promote the sport and represent yourself with good sportsmanship in high school roller hockey play.

Go Wildcats!

Jay

indiangoalie33
03-25-2008, 03:52 PM
*more info on league*
I love my CHSIHA league in Colorado its amazing. Well organized, fun, and good structure. Its the best league I've played in but im usually a tourney goalie. The only problem I have with it is some of the rules but I guess they cant change them for insurance purpose's but I also have one of the best coach's in the country coaching me. And the penelty rules are also good like if you get more then 42 minutes of penalties through the season you are kicked out of that season. Also the teams are really equal because there are 4 sub-divisions. There are also (about) 60 teams so like around 600 players making the league pretty cheap 175$ for 14 games with 2 goalies and usually 2 scorekeepers plus playoffs. Eddie Delgado set up the league very well, every high school inline hockey program should be based on this league.

*zipyaj i cant believe you know our mascot lol. *

zipyaj
03-28-2008, 08:51 PM
indiangoalie33

LOL back at ya... it's not just that I know your mascot's name, even more amazing is that I can still remember it (I graduated a Lakewood Tiger back in '72) and we used to kick some serious you-know-what all across Jeffco!

On a more serious note, I am passionate about scholastic roller hockey and watch your league and others a lot. Heck, you can even find me in your Colorado high school league website... see "AAU High School National Championships 2007 - May 26-28, 2007 at Anaheim Hockey Club" (see who wrote that one!).. http://chsiha.org/colorado/HS_nationals.htm#HSNationals_2007

Like Colorado, there are some very fine high school league models across the country. PIRHL of PA is a good one, as is the growing Georgia league. And don't discount Missouri.

One thing our So California league doesn't do that some others allow is for Combo teams - combining more than one school or, in some cases, even allowing a draft to build a team. I realize that combo teams are needed in rural areas and take no exception with that. We don't have rural communities nearby. As a result, our league has 29 "pure" high school clubs in this season with 56 teams in the four different divisions - that's almost 650 players.

We also watch our players pretty tight for sportsmanship and infractions. While we do allow for a rougher game than the in-house HS programs that run outside of our league season, we send players off the rink for three penalites in one game, suspend for fights and unsportsmanlike behavior, and even enforce infractions that occur away from our games but at the rinks with matching suspensions. Many of our coaches also match discipline to what the league gives; get suspended by the league for a fight, the team also suspends for a game.

Meanwhile, keep practicing and playing hard, and keep pluggin' for high school roller hockey!

Best!

rback
04-09-2008, 06:08 PM
H
I run a league named Buffalo In-line Hockey Group in Buffalo New York and our story is almost the opposite of those posted here. We are a non-profit organization with the board of directors, staff and coaches recieving zero compensation. We rent our rink at $145/hr. Our organization and profesionalism I believe is top notch as well as the caliber of play. We currently have 24 house teams broken into high school and middle school divisions in addition to tournament teams. Our house league runs split seasons; Sept.-Christmas and Jan-June. Any single team in either division will have players from many seperate school systems and are constructed via a draft. We find it impossible to gain support for a school supported league. Every AD that we have spoken with has indicated something like-If it is any more work for me, no deal. Of course there will be some work for the AD therefore no support. The Sabres have repeatedly refused to even acknowledge (sp?) in-line hockey much less offer any support. Corporate support has been minimal averaging maybe $100 per season.The programs I have read about in this post appear to be well run and the players and parents involved in these programs should realize how lucky they are. Despite the headwinds we expect our league to grow to 30 teams in September and 36 in January. We do this because of the kids and for no other reason. That alone provides our impetus for continuing and improving.

zipyaj
04-09-2008, 06:40 PM
Dear rback;

Thank you for joining this important post! Input from leagues and teams and players alike can only help to contribute to the common cause of promoting scholastic roller hockey. Get the ideas flowing: One Community!

I/we do empathize with the lack of support from schools and districts. Even here, support is spotty at best and even getting teacher sponsors can be difficult for many school hockey club wannabes. As for the ADs, yes indeed they're overworked and underpaid. With 29 santioned sports in our community, the last being lacrosse, they dig their heels in tough when it comes to roller hockey! Nonetheless, a concerted effort to help relieve them of their fears by the promise of parental support for team and/or club management and dollars not out of their budgets has been marginally successful at the public school sector. The private school sector on the other hand has been FANTASTIC!

Of our current 29 high schools, we can count 5 private schools who each provide a great deal of support to their roller hockey programs. And most of them have tow and up to for full teams along with an abundant tryout roster for each season.

It should be noted, however that district, county or even state support for the sport wanes yet cries to be heard.

Shame on the Sabres! Ignore a fan base and contributor to the sport overall? It is my opinion that all NHL teams should be working closely with the scholastic leagues to promote the sport in general... many roller players also play ice, and some go on to play pro level, too!

We're fortunate that our local Ducks organization is beginning to realize the importance of roller and of scholastic hockey. But even that didn't come over night. With the buyout from Disney, the new owners are, thankfully, very community centric and realize that their stadium seats and merchandise are bought by us. They're giving back, investing into the community and reaping the benefits as will the sport in the long view!

Like you, our organization is also 100% volunteer and without private dollars to fund operations. But we go on!

We're in the process of producing our first-ever All-Stars game next week and have been lucky to garner support from some industry suppliers and local merchants to help, but its mostly done by passionate people who want to give our kids something extra. Check us out: http://www.ihf-hockey.org/allstars2008.htm

Is your organization USA Hockey Inline or AAU affiliated?

Regardless of affiliation, with more collaboration into creative suggestions and How Tos, we can work together to help us all.

Thanks again for your input and for allowing me back onto my soapbox.... now off.

Regards,
Jay

RichardGraham
04-09-2008, 07:06 PM
Hi Jay,

I believe every NHL team should have a minor league inline hockey team affiliate. The teams that don't are absolutely wearing blinders.

zgoalscorer
04-11-2008, 12:42 AM
I definitly agree

zipyaj
04-12-2008, 01:10 PM
Richard,

As you know, working with the NHL to garner support at any level has its respective challenges. And while I profess a certain ignorance to the subject of minor league roller hockey affiliation, I am proud to know that the Anaheim Ducks and some others have implemented grass roots youth and scholastic programs in their support of the sport.

I am also very proud to announce that the Anaheim Ducks will be recognizing 14 outstanding high school roller hockey "special achievers" at the April 19th IHF All-Star event by a letter of recognition from Ducks general manager, Brian Burke.

The special achiever awards recognize student-athletes who have excelled in their academic accomplishments and contributions to their community, to their school and to their sport. Some of our special achievers have been mentioned in the context of Inline Hockey Central before, Mary Quayle for example, some are high achieving scholars and some are also outstanding athletes who will be playing on our All-Star teams. There are some pretty amazing stories to be told of the accomplishments by these young people.

The recognition of these special achievers further demonstrates the depth of commitment that the Anaheim Ducks organization has in youth hockey in our community and marks a first for their recognition for scholastic roller hockey and the IHF.

Our organization is working diligently to promote scholastic inline hockey everywhere and couldn't be more proud to have established a foothold with an NHL, Stanley Cup Champion team to support our community.

One step at a time!

Meanwhile, I am heading off to the California State High School Championship in Huntington Beach. Good luck to you and to everyone in Colorado Springs for the NCRHA nationals.

Regards,
Jay

IHF All-Stars 2008
http://www.ihf-hockey.org/allstars2008.htm

harppraise
06-19-2008, 12:52 PM
Richard...thank you for all of the information you have written here...it is very informative...unfortunately our school which is located in Orange County CA, is one of the ones that refuse to recognize hockey as a sport...this year is the first year we have had a team...it took alot of work on our part just to get them to have a club on campus...we had to fight to wear t-shirts with the team name on them (we had to take off the school name)...what can we do to get this moving toward being a recognized sport? How can we become CIF? I heard you had a poll vote on State Santioned Hockey that I missed...just for the record...I vote YES!!!

zipyaj
06-19-2008, 01:29 PM
Dear harppraise;

Welcome to IHC! Indeed Richard has invested greatly into the topic of scholastic hockey (and many other topics as well!!!!).

You wrote: I heard you had a poll vote on State Santioned Hockey that I missed... Please see the IHC thread at:
http://www.inlinehockeycentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32313
While too late to participate in the poll, your comments therein are also welcomed!

Your comments regarding recognition and sanctioning have also been heard and shared by many. Each are aligned and require a concerted effort if the objectives are to be met. That said, you and your Orange County-based club do have resources available to call on and to work with in helping meet both objectives! Feel free to comment here or contact me directly to learn more!

INTERSCHOLASTIC HOCKEY FEDERATION (IHF)
Jay Piz, President
Irvine, CA
www.IHF-HOCKEY.org
[email protected]

cohockeydad
07-25-2008, 03:43 AM
A couple of years ago, I spent some time talking with Ed Delgado, who runs one of the high school programs here, and he pointed out that you have to be careful what you wish for, with respect to the school districts sanctioning the sport as more than a club sport.

Yes, the kids can get letters and more recognition within the school, but there are significant negatives, too. Costs go way up, because, if it's a school sport, you need to provide buses to the venues, certain levels of paid supervision, etc. Plus, the schools can place restrictions on the times and days of practices and games.....there's a whole level of regulation that you may fall under, which we currently avoid.

Under our current set-up in Colorado, the schools have virtually nothing to do with the leagues. But, they generally have provided some level of acknowledgement of accomplishments in school newspapers and assemblies.

Net-net, I think I prefer it this way.
While Mr. Delgado says be careful what you wish for, I say be careful who you believe. Ed is a great guy and runs a decent facility but he has a personal stake in the league staying private. There is a lot of money out there to be had and he wants his piece. I don't blame him. However, if the sport does not become a sanctioned sport, it will never be accepted as a viable alternative to football and baseball. Sanctioning brings credibility. There are hundreds of boys and girls out there who deserve recognition for their achievements. When you have volunteer coaches, you take what you can get. Quality suffers for want of a good coach. The sport should be sanctioned and the coaches paid. Referees are paid yet you never know what to expect, oversight is sorely lacking. Overall we have a fantastic league in Colorado but to take it to the next level, it needs to become a sanctioned sport.

zipyaj
07-25-2008, 12:44 PM
Greetings cohockeydad;
Welcome to the IHC forum! I hope you continue to read, post and share with us all.

Concerning your post and high school roller hockey in Colorado, while I have not met Mr. Delgado, I am keenly aware of the Colorado High School Inline Hockey League (CHSIHL a.k.a. CHSIHA) and have read many good reviews of the positive impact of the league onto the sport throughout the state. Even my two young nephews in Lakewood, 9 and 10, already speak about looking forward to playing for their school teams when older - and that's representative of the HUGE importance to the development and growth of our sport!

As to sanctioning of the sport, there's an informative but short thread with poll "State Sanctioned Roller Hockey" posted in the IHC forum on June 4th that asks: State Sanctioned Roller Hockey. How important is it to you?

Very Important 60.00%
Moderately Important 28.00%
Too Much Hassle 12.00%
Don't Care! My Kid Graduated Already 0%

Count my vote in the Very Important response. This is especially true if our student-athletes are ever to be recognized on par with mainstream sports.

However, one must also recognize the stages of development within each hockey facility, school district, city and regions of the state, and of the individual state overall.

Some areas, and even rink operators, have no scholastic programs at all and are missing the boat for this important segment. Some rink operators run in-house scholastic programs of intermediate and/or high schools, but have no affiliation with a "league" that promotes the sport beyond the rink level. Some states, including Colorado, have good-to-excellent league programs for organized intrastate competition where teams represent their school colors, although mostly unofficially, in league play and then return to the in-house program for other seasons. To the best of my knowledge, only California's San Diego CIF section 10 has sanctioned Roller Hockey as a high school sport (winter season) affording full recognition on par with mainstream sports.

In a May 23rd Wall Street Journal article, according to John Collins, the former National Football League executive who joined the NHL last year, "Hockey is tribal."

By reading the threads of this forum, and from my own experiences, I am compelled to agree. But all is not lost!

There's much to do in getting the tribes to come to the council fire, smoke the proverbial peace pipe and work together for the greater good of the sport. Whether scholastic hockey, or any level, and for even ice and roller to recognize their synergies in helping the growth of our sport.

My two cent turned into a nickel once more.


INTERSCHOLASTIC HOCKEY FEDERATION (IHF)
Jay Piz
www.IHF-HOCKEY.org
[email protected]

5280
07-25-2008, 02:00 PM
if the sport does not become a sanctioned sport, it will never be accepted as a viable alternative to football and baseball. Sanctioning brings credibility. There are hundreds of boys and girls out there who deserve recognition for their achievements. When you have volunteer coaches, you take what you can get. Quality suffers for want of a good coach. The sport should be sanctioned and the coaches paid.

Well, there's something to be said on both sides of the issue. I went and looked, and here in Colorado, Ice Hockey is a CHSAA sanctioned sport. Based on their website, it looks like there were 27 varsity teams in the CHSAA sanctioned leagues. For Inline, there were 44 varsity teams in CHSIHA (Ed's league), and another 12 in RMSHL (SIHA's league). So, it doesn't seem to me that lack of sanctioning is hurting the sport, at a high school level.

My kid played middle school last year, in Ed's league, and we have friends who played in SIHA's league, and I saw and experienced high levels of coaching in both. My kid has played for some of the very best coaches in the state, both paid and volunteer. Knowing who and what's around the youth world here, I can't imagine getting any higher level of coaching by offering money to them.

The one thing I see that is a problem because of the private structure is that it's hard to keep consistancy from year to year. One year, one school has a lot of interest and a big program, and then those kids, and their coaches graduate. And, that IS a big problem in terms of establishing a tradition and lasting reputation. But, net-net, I'm happier with the current system.

cohockeydad
07-25-2008, 09:40 PM
Thanks for the welcome Jay! I believe we agree that sanctioning
is important to the future of the sport, it has come a long way with the support of private clubs/venues, but in order to make certain that it continues to grow, state sanctioning would help immensely! I remember when I was growing up playing ice, I saw an ad in the back of Hockey Digest for this new off season training aid, inline skates! 5280- Don't get me wrong, I believe we have one of the strongest programs in the country here in Colorado! I just don't believe that it can continue in the current format and be successful. I doubled checked the CHSSA website because I have never heard of them sanctioning the sport. I could not find anything there about inline, just ice. If you could direct me to where that information is, I would greatly appreciate it! My son played SIHA for many years and I coached for most of them. It was a great experience, they have a top notch program! The reason we left was primarily because of the inconsistency of the officials. What a thrill for those kids to be coached by CJ Yoder! I am currently coaching CHSIHL and my son is playing. It is a very good league with amazing participation! I know that Chatfield HS had 6 or 7 teams last year. I am very satisfied with the program is in this state, I just want to make sure that it is around in the future for others to enjoy!:)

5280
07-26-2008, 05:20 PM
I doubled checked the CHSSA website because I have never heard of them sanctioning the sport. I could not find anything there about inline, just ice. If you could direct me to where that information is, I would greatly appreciate it!

My son played SIHA for many years and I coached for most of them. It was a great experience, they have a top notch program!

I'm sorry, I was probably unclear. I was comparing the number of school ice programs under CHSSA to the number of inline programs under CHSIHA and RMSHL. You are correct that CHSSA doesn't sanction inline at all.

We've also been in and out of SIHA for about 8 years now (Cougars/Stallions and playing/coaching). My oldest player, who is the most committed, is moving to 14U next year, and my younger one will be a first year 12U. I agree that overall, my experiences with them have been very positive. I'll single-out Bill Mulhern out as a real gentleman who consistently tries to do what will make the best experience for the kids.

cohockeydad
07-31-2008, 03:44 AM
5280-

I agree, Bill is a great guy! Unfortunately, SIHA, like everyone else these days is suffering from the economy. Last tournament I was at they had 1 guy running the desk, a score keeper and 2 refs on the rink. No upper management. I think it was a boon for Tour Arena to get the national college championships, that was great! Cougars huh? For the sake of the forum I will keep it civil. I coached the Flames. We had some serious problems with you guys, we couldn't beat you. Your 17U goalie, Josh, used to play for me. I taught him everything he knows (haha). I think that since he left us and went to you, we have a 50/50 record against him. At this point in time, I believe that SIHA has a great program for the younger guys, up until they start high school. I just don't think they can compete with the lure of playing for your high school. I would love to see them create some kind of partnership with Ed Delgado and get involved with the CHSIHA. Thanks for your efforts with SIHA, I think it is a great organization!

cohockeydad
07-31-2008, 03:47 AM
5280-
I apologize. I just looked back at your post and saw that you said ice hockey when talking about CHSSA. I mis-read that.

zipyaj
07-31-2008, 03:56 AM
Gentlemen;
Please don't get caught up in the details and lose sight of the bigger picture!

Who, how and why did Ice Hockey get in, for example, are lessons to be learned. Go To School on that!

There may be a velvet lining in Colorado's structure, eh?

5280
07-31-2008, 09:27 AM
[QUOTE=zipyaj;52374]Who, how and why did Ice Hockey get in, for example, are lessons to be learned. [QUOTE]

From my perspective, ice has "always" been sanctioned in Colorado. When I was in high school in the late 70's, it was sanctioned then. I don't know what newer sports have become sanctioned. I know that the sport-de-jour, lacrosse, has been sanctioned for at least 35 years. Looking at CHSAA's website, they only list 18 sports, and I'm guessing "spirit" is the newest one.

zipyaj
09-17-2008, 03:05 AM
Back to the future....
on 03-05-2005, Richard Graham started an on-going and worthwhile thread that has repeatedly been referenced within various IHC forum topics time and time again... the significance of High School Roller/Inline Hockey onto the growth of our sport can not be understated!

I encourage you to re-visit this thread and collaborate with your questions and old and new thoughts about the great importance of this segment of our sport.

Thanks!

zipyaj
12-27-2008, 03:01 PM
High school roller hockey news from San Diego... An interesting article about young Adam Durkee, a Nederland, Colo ice hockey transplant who plays on the varsity roller hockey squad for the Westview Wolverines that competes in the North County League.

Read more:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/25/lz1mc25hockey23558-colorado-transplant-plays-two-t/?uniontrib

Keep those releases and letters to the Editors rolling when it comes to news about your high school teams!

Happy Holidays!

zipyaj
01-17-2009, 01:21 AM
Sharing an article about a New Rink and High School Roller Hockey in Ann Arbor, MI... still growing and going, even in the Winter!

2 teams readying for roller hockey
Friday, January 16, 2009

It took longer than expected, but the Hartland and Howell in-line hockey teams began practicing for the varsity winter season this week. The Hartland Eagles and Howel Highlanders have been patiently waiting for their new home, Total Roller Hockey, across from the Rock Financial Showplace at 46039 Grand River Ave. in Novi, to be completed.

Read the full story: http://www.mlive.com/news/annarbornews/index.ssf?/base/news-13/1232120509298070.xml&coll=2

ArapNumbah11
01-26-2009, 09:30 PM
I am currently a player in the Colorado High School Inline Hockey Association. You mentioned Eddie Delgado in your post and he is such a helpful person, if anyone needs any help or information regarding how to form and mantain a succesful program he's a good guy to go to.

zipyaj
01-28-2009, 03:22 PM
I am currently a player in the Colorado High School Inline Hockey Association. You mentioned Eddie Delgado in your post and he is such a helpful person, if anyone needs any help or information regarding how to form and mantain a succesful program he's a good guy to go to.

ArapNumbah11;

You're absolutely right! I just spent two days with Eddie and other AAU High School Directors from across the country in Las Vegas at the Let's Play Hockey Expo. Eddie is both well-versed and dedicated to building youth hockey throughout your great state.

Look for more new and exciting developments in Colorado High School Roller Hockey and beyond!

Best!

NickCip44
08-17-2009, 09:04 PM
I think that Upper middle class area's are the ones where hockey thrives as it is expensive.

zipyaj
02-15-2010, 12:21 AM
Members, Readers and Interested Parties:
While your attention during these times may be easily drawn to Elite / Pro and Collegiate segments and even to the thrills of NARCh Winternationals and other tournament series competing for participation and dollar$, there are those who would ask that you not forget about the basics and what segments have contributed significantly to the popularity you may enjoy today. Namely the scholastic segment (high school / middle school).

As the players who grow up in our sport age and mature, where else will they go but up to the adult levels, if they don't fall out all together. Peak birth years of '89-92 are no longer playing high school hockey. If they're still playing, they're now competing for available rink space with those younger years. And if a rink facility has worked hard enough to promote a decent grassroots program for new youth players, it's the scholastic segment that is again being pinched for attention and rink time.

It may be clear to some that attention to the Elite / Pro and Collegiate segments is the answer for growing our sport by providing a some path to the top of the so-called pyramid. Arguably, if no mid-level of scholastic hockey exists, then the pyramid eventually folds into itself and crashes to its base.

It is this observer's opinion that the experiment started by Richard Graham, Publisher/Owner of Inline Hockey Central beginning in his March 4 2005 post SOPHOMORE SAVIORS? Can the growth of high school inline hockey save our sport? is worthy of your (re)read from front-to-back.

Many have forgotten the value of the scholastic segment's contribution to the reinvigoration and longeveity of the sport. Will you?

BEST!

zipyaj
02-17-2010, 01:51 PM
Dear High School and/or Middle School Roller Hockey Fans:
As a result of decreasing numbers in our high school ranks over this past season (down 23% over last year), our League has set on a new path to help disenfranchised high school players [those who want to play but have no team or are insufficient in number to form a “pure” team] by adding a new division into our currrent 4-division format to include Co-op / Combo teams in the 2010-2011 Season. For over a decade, our League has been comprised of "pure" teams only. We are hopeful that this new initiative will help to attract and retain players and replenish enrollment into the League and onto the rinks that we compete upon.

We also recognize the challenges of this endeavor and are undertaking additional research by looking at existing models around the country to eventually arrive at a workable solution for the League and for our sport on the local front.

If you have any experience with or have ideas on this topic, we invite your feedback and collaboration ("crowdsourcing") in developing a beneficial program for our student-athletes. We'll gladly share any results you may request.

Please feel free to respond within this High School forum, or privately through my contact information provided below.

Best!

RichardGraham
02-17-2010, 06:11 PM
Hey Jay,

Good luck with this!

zipyaj
08-26-2010, 05:01 PM
Ron Krill of Chaparral HS in Temecula recently started a new Facebook page to piggyback on the San Diego Metropolitan League's success and begin a grass roots effort to gain STATEWIDE approval by CIF to recognize roller hockey as an officially sanctioned high school varsity sport. With the help and support of the Anaheim Ducks organization, the IHF (Interscholastic Hockey Federation) and the many California-based high school clubs, teams and programs, we hope to make the case to CIF that roller hockey should be granted this recognition.

Please join their efforts their by lending your support and comments:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/profile.php?id=100001481343713&ref=ts


If you're interested in the latest CIF status in the Southland area and either are or want to be part of the IHF High School Roller Hockey League, come join us at our Sept. 12th Coach and Manager meeting to hear Mr. Jeffrey David of the Anaheim Ducks' parent company speak about this topic and what the Ducks may bring to the table as champions to this cause...

Learn more about IHF High School Roller Hockey
and join us on Facebook
www.facebook.com/pages/IHF-High-School-Roller-Hockey/148595245158340

Best!

zipyaj
09-15-2010, 02:48 PM
A HUGE thank you to Mr. Jeff David of H&S Ventures - the parent company of the NHL Anaheim Ducks, for his presentation to over 65 attendees representing 31 high school clubs at our annual Coach & Manager meeting on Sept. 12th. Mr. David demonstrated the support of the Ducks to help champion this cause as well as the challenges ahead for certification by the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) for Roller Hockey as a Varsity sport. The bottom line: We (the high school leagues, clubs and teams) need to work together across the state to organize and unify!

zipyaj
09-30-2010, 01:34 PM
Thanks to everyone for their on-going support for Scholastic Roller Hockey!

I am pleased to report with an update to our efforts to place new student-athletes onto the Rinks with our new Combo Division - a Leave No Player Behind initiative!

Competition begins the week of Oct. 11th for this new division. We've already signed three teams and over 100 new players are waiting to be assigned to teams from around Orange & Los Angeles counties and the Inland Empire. We learned earlier today that the AAU will be emailing to SoCal members to help promote this campaign. We're hopeful to place 10+ new teams onto the local rinks to both promote new revenues for them and to increase the ranks & interest for High School Roller Hockey!

Playing with classmates for the school colors and mascot is an important part of the roller hockey experience growing up. Please help us to keep our student-athletes on the rinks!

Best!

zipyaj
01-20-2011, 09:33 AM
Remaining truly grateful to Richard Graham and his post started in March 2005 and the 1000's of views & comments since...

Best!

waterboy
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I do believe that In Line Hockey is making a comeback but it takes a number of dedicated individuals to do so. My name is Bob Boucher, owner of ECHO Hockey. We started a program called Travel Lite last year in NC, SC, GA and VA. We had over 35 new teams participate. Travel Lite is for recreational/house league players and the response was great for ages 8-14. However, this year we were able to break into the High School age group. We have enough now to make a separate 16U division in Travel Lite. We are continuing the Travel Lite in Florida this year with plans to go up north next year. In regards to High School age teams, ECHO is including a High School Division at ECHO Nationals in 2011 and also at the ECHO Winternationals at THE SGAA Dual Decks in Snelville, GA in January 2012. Travel age groups have been the norm for years and will continue to be. When my daughters were in High School, they looked forward to playing with their friends from school in a league/tournament. They enjoyed their club teams but High School athletics is something special.

Sincerely, Bob Boucher, Coastal Cup and ECHO Hockey

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