Loyalty????

[paki]

Question to all:
Given the fact that there are tryouts for these "pro" teams, where do owners/coaches draw the line with player selections?
Scenario: Owner/coach has one spot left to fill, does he pick his "friend" or a more talented player?
What does everyone think?

[cyclonewinger]

ask the GROWL

[Somerset_GM]

As a player and a GM I would like to believe that all teams would pick the player that would make the team better. I had that exact decision to make this season for our team and I cut my friend, who is also my roommate. It was tough but you have to do what is best for the team.

[ScrappersSponser]

Speaking for the Growl I can tell you right now that a very close friend of the team was cut during the season. He was also an owner of the team the previous year. If you are going to make accusations about an organization then sign your name to it. I take that as an insult being involved in their organization as a sponsor as well as helping with game day responsibilities. If you are somebody who truly knows what goes on in our organization then please sign your name to it. If you did have any knowledge of our organization you would know that our goal is to put the best product on the floor and fill the stands. We do not put friends before players!!!!

Jeff Haze

[GROWL]

I am curious as to the context of this remark?

What are you trying to say?

[GROWL]

This player was never cut... he choose to not play for a number of reasons, some personal and some having to do with differences with our coaches philosophy. The fundemental point Jeff is trying to make here is correct however. When we created the Growl it was imperative that we start with a group of "friends" because we would not have made it as an organization otherwise. Since the start of our second season, I believe we have done a good job making the appropriate roster decisions for our club. We will continue to choose players who will better our organization.

[ScrappersSponser]

Well said Flynn and thanks for the correction!

Jeff Haze

[XIHL]

Just as a point of clarification, the XIHL is not a "pro" league. It is an Elite league meaning the players are not paid to play in this league.

To reply to your question, as a former VP of Ops (GM) of an actual "pro" team, players are selected who we feel will help us win a championship. Teams that follow this philosophy usually win, teams that pick their friends usually lose. The cost to operate elite/pro teams is going up. A team operator needs to recoup their financial outlay from sponsorship dollars and ticket sales and the only way to do this is by putting together the most competitive team they can.

Benny Gulakiw
Director of Marketing & Public Relations
eXtreme Inline Hockey League

[cyclonewinger]

You looking to pick a fight?

I know that the Growl is a tight group and is well organized and used your team as an example to a questioned that was asked.

I believe that the questioned was just answered by yourself in a follow up post.

I totally agree that a team should do whatever it takes to make there team strong especially if it's a contender.

[cyclonewinger]

Sign my name for what?

Ask Richard to change the rules of this message board so that you can all see who is who or get your own message board and run it the way you want. I did not make an accusation, so grow some skin.

I know that players were cut and when the question popped up I figure that I mention the Growl team.

You get paid for being the message board police?

[ScrappersSponser]

No I am not the message board police....No I am not looking for a fight either...I am to mature to deal with people in those ways....You say that you knew players were cut in our organization so you would figure you mention us in picking friends over better players...Don't point fingers at an Organization if you don't know how decisions were made to come to certain points regarding player personel....Most people who have something to say and its valid will have no fear of signing a name to it....Yet you still are afraid to say who you are....What do you have to lose by signing your name...Are you afraid that people will realize its that ignorant @#$..I sign my name to everything I post so people can know how I feel.....I don't have to hide....I HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR FOR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY!!!!!

Jeff Haze

[cyclonewinger]

lol

Computer Muscles

"HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR FOR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY!!!!!"

[cyclonewinger]

Also, I attended some Growl games and hands down the Growl organization is one hell of a host. They really know what their doing.

Too bad you don't think before you type.

[ScrappersSponser]

Your right.....Not thinking Just typing.....This will be my last post regarding this with you.....I am glad you came to some of our games and enjoyed.....Just don't take jabs at something you truly know nothing about.....By the way I can find out a lot more than you believe MR. X. or should I call you "Steve L"

Jeff Haze

[cyclonewinger]

No jabs intended, just someone asked a question and I figured that Anthony could help with that answer, since perhaps he may have experience with the question asked.

I will travel to that area soon and hope to catch more games.

Steve L?? "if you only knew"

[33]

honestly, if you pick a team correctly (which i believe the team i play for has done the last three years) everyone should be friends. there should be no problems and everyone should get along if there are no egos and idiots to contend with. that all starts at tryouts by picking the correct mesh of people from the get go.

[cyclonewinger]

Amen

[SpiderRat]

Just sign your name already. Your acting like a 12 year old. What is everyone so afraid of? Are we not men, do we not bleed, I am not an animal!!!

Blah Blah Blah, Shoot the puck already

[CoachChrisG]

Frankly this is why having thinly organized NARCh teams playing in a standing semi-pro or elite league is something that will never be able to bloom into a pro league of any kind.

Teams can have a player/coach as there are many players in their 30's who still have game but have a lot to teach the youngsters. However, the man in charge of each team shouldn't be a player. A stand alone owner or ownership group if you will, is the way to go. This way there becomes a need to act and look more professional. There always stands a chance that you may be cut in favor of some up and coming skater. There also leaves open the chance that real money may come into the club at some point. (Let's face it, someone wearing every hat as player/coach/GM/PR Man/Owner/water boy/etc. isn't going to have the time or wherewithall to get 100% of their jobs done well enough to take the club to the next level. There needs to be outside help and backing from people who have likely never worn skates.

I'm sure there are a lot of teams that still play favorites now as there is no exclusivity. This means that a player can play for as many as 10 different teams. That shouldn't be the case. The only way teams can gain true stability is if there is a level of loyalty on both the managerial and player levels.

[RichardGraham]

Hi cyclonewinger,

Lately it seems like you've been trying to rile up people on the message board. I don't appreciate it, as many of the people you've been ticking off are people who've put a lot of work into inline hockey, and they're people that I respect.

Please consider this a warning. I have only had to ban about five users in the past two years. Don't become number six.

I appreciate your passion for inline hockey, but if you continue to be a negative force on these message boards, I'm going to have to pull the plug on your posting privileges.

Hey, that's some nice alliteration! /wtimages/icons/wink.gif

Thanks for your understanding.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

[yokes]

Your not??????? HEHEHEHE whats up Rog?

Goalies do it better with their eyes closed!!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by yokes on 08/28/04 04:42 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

[cyclonewinger]

Richard,

No Problem, I will keep it low for the time being, but know that your so called respective people send me private messages that are pretty disturbing and really unprofessional. Just thought you should know, where some of the negativity may be coming from in some of my post.

I cross my fingers and hope that all this is going in the right direction.
Thanks!

:)

[NLane]

So print them out and send them to RG. This is the second time you have said that someone has sent private messages attacking you. So click on the button that says do not accept private messages anymore or, well, you know...change the approach you take when answering. Don't jump! Just trying to help and say that there are ways around this.

[cyclonewinger]

No Comment

Too many egg shells around here.

:)

[GROWL]

I was uncertain as to the nature of your statement, so I asked. Thank you for clearing it up and I'm sure Jeff was just looking out for the organization.

[cyclonewinger]

No Biggie, thanks for responding.

Your team is fun to watch.