Scoring Scam???

[mlrhfan89]

Well 2 weeks ago going into the final day of regular season play we all but had our leagues leading scorer set... Johnny P., no wait it turns out that CJ was given 10 points in a 10-7 win over the wolves, hmm wierd, since i was at the game i can tell you he had no more then 4 or 5, they put assists on un assisted goals and second assists where they did not belong, dont get me wrong he is the premier player in the league, but that's bull, half the points he wasn;t even on the rink for, Marple you are 14-0 that's not enough spot light.... something should bedone with the scorers of the games, they should be MLRH officials, b/cwho knows how many other games this has happened in...

[unknownman]

THAT IS AMAZING!

[-venom-]

not to start any trouble, as marple is LOADED with talent.... but I've always thought that sometimes their points were balloned a bit....

[yokes]

Point the finger in the right direction because when you say Marple you are referring to all of us. In the future be more specific because if that happened I had nothing to do with it and I am part of "Marple". Im sure the rest of the guys on our team wouldnt want you to say they were involved either. Do I get on here and say all MLRH fans are idiots?

Beware of a goalie that carries three sticks!

[mlrhfan89]

well i say marple because the score keepers themselves would probably not know how many points he needed by themselves without being told from someone a little higher up onthe food chain, you can call all MLRH fans idiots, most of us are with too many opinions, deal with it... as for the situation at hand, no one has denied it yet including yourself... why scam johnny p out of the scoring title?? the league needs to look into the whole "marple" situation, remember you are a team, that includes managment and staff, you win together, you lose together, you go through this stuff together, so being that it happened in your rink the finger gets pointed towards all of you, as you are one organization...

[-venom-]

it's pretty bad when fans start to notice this stuff....

[NLane]

Scoresheets-my favorite complaint! Can't blame the person who just reads what they see and puts it in the system. Refs sign it, coaches are supposed to sign it, and I would think it's not just to have their signature on it. It's to look it over and sign off on it making it a valid document. I believe that MLRH is looking into having scorekeepers as league officials and having them go to classes or be certified. Makes everyone more accountable for the recording of what happens during games. I still think Jamie had a good idea with NARHL in having picture ids for the players. If you don't match the picture then you don't play. It would make signing a new player a little time comsuming, not to mention the expense because they'd have to be "tamper proof". A whole new ball of wax!

[jamie20]

I have the game tape for anyone who would like to see it.

MLRHfan was not at the game or he would know that we were down by three at the start of the fourth and I made CJ play almost the entire fourth quarter. The scoring title means nothing to Marple or Cj. Cj is who he is and he doesn't care about that. MLRH fan the game tape is here for you to view or any one else to view. Don't hide behind a false screen name and make false accusations. If you would like to view the tape please call Jamie and I will arrange for you to come down and see it.
Ps> I guess we had Pottstown fudge the scoresheet the night before also. And the rest of the road game points were they false also?

[SpeedDemon]

I agree. CJ has nothing to prove to anyone. This might appear to be a problem because so many teams do not record 2nd assists (I don't even believe there's a column on the scoresheet) so when a team does, it looks like they're padding stats. Second assists should be recorded.

[33]

give me a break. take jamie up on his offer to view the tape and you will see. i would know, i was on the receiving end of a couple of those points.

[-venom-]

ya, pretty sure that's where the descrepancy comes from.

All the rinks should keep track of stats the same, as to avoid anyone looking like they are padding the stats.

[jamie20]

this is not jamie. lets just say i am a big part of this conversation. after mlrh cleans things up and has no huge problems for a full season this is what people, fans, player want to talk about? can we talk about the great games, the great players and the great matchups that are going on in the playoffs.
if we need to take a couple points from this yoder character then take them. congratulations john and good luck in the playoffs

[SpeedDemon]

One of these days you will be on the receiving end ... of my bone-crushing body check!

One of these days ..........

-Naz


PS. Anyone know where can I get 5lb. 100% Whey Protein and some andro cheap?

[cannibalkid]

The man has spoken...

[mlrhfan89]

i agree with you, i dont think the scoring title means anything to CJ, however i do think that it means something to marple, bottom line is i was there, you can't tell me where i was or was not.

[SpiderRat]

Big Deal!! Who cares!! Has your life been altered that much because of this? Have you lost countless nights of sleep? Has your personal life suffered? Have you resorted to beating the wife and kids? Shooting heroin? Stealing cars? If there is a yes to any of these questions, than maybe you should get some help, stay off the message boards and stop going to games. It's really no big deal.

[CMc62480]

Doesn't drinking too much qualify?? Wait, I was doing that already, d'oh. Who really cares about scoring titles, if CJ won it, then fine. In my outside opinion, Johnny P. is the MVP, which stands out more than a scoring title, less then a league title. Maybe that's just me Irish juice talking again, aye! Good luck this weekend to all.

Peace and chicken grease!! (Don't ask)

[rt12]

It's a legitimate concern.

[MDE3]

A public airing of this situation is a no win for anyone when done like this. However the status quo has been challenged publicly, and defended publicly, so if there is a tape which can be reviewed to settle this, then have the league review it and clear the air...

[WMBG_GM]

ok, for those who want to know:

<A HREF="http://www.pointstreak.com/players/players-boxscore.html?gameid=58913" target="_new">http://www.pointstreak.com/players/players-boxscore.html?gameid=58913</A>

That is the scoresheet in question.

Here is why I think this is a completely bogus insinuation made by somebody who just wants to "Marple Bash":

1) Look at the scoresheet. These aren't "2nd assists" tacked on. There are all but one, 1st assists. In case you have forgotten, the refs tell the scorekeeper who scored the goal and who gets the assist. Not the other way around. So, you must think our refs are bogus huh?

2) The MLRH AAA ref crew would not sacrifice their credibility that they have worked so damn hard for this season to get CJ a bauble. Period. I can say that with 100% confidence. Those guys (refs) turned in an awesome season and need to be commended for it.

3) Let's say there was a grand conspiracy to do this.... Nobody from Marple would have any way to know what Johnie P had done the night before (9 points by my count). The scoresheets had not been entered into Poinstreak by the Sunday start time. Ask Nlane... she enters them nowadays. Or perhaps, for you conspiracy buffs, Johnie or the Sniper's scorekeep called Marple and told them.... Or maybe CJ drove 5 hours each way just to find out! Yeah! That has to be it!

4) I don't personally know CJ that well, but from what I do know of him, I'm pretty sure the guy would go freaking nuts if he thought somebody was padding his stats.

5) Prior to this game, CJ was averaging 6.56 points per game. That is an average kids. That means half the games he got more points than that. I know of at least 1 game he had 8 points. 10 doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch. Face it. CJ Yoder is that freaking good. You don't have to like him, you don't have to like his team. But you should damn well respect his skills as a player.

6) and finally, the biggest thing that makes me think this is total BS... Is how it is posted. With a made up name that hasn't posted on here once. Not one single post about anything. Just somebody wanting to be sure that nobody can come back to them. If you have a beef, stand up and say it. Don't hide behind some bogus screen name.

Sorry for the rant. Idiots piss me off.

Ben Loyall
GM/Owner
Williamsburg Warriors, MLRH AAA

[BkHdTpShlf]

Your 100% right Ben, bottom line is CJ is nasty... face the facts. If he played every game he would have averaged...and yes thats an average 96 points(could have been more if he took advantage of the weaker teams)NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE. He put up 11 against us one game. CJ is the best player out there and shows it not only in the MLRH but on the national level. Winning a scoring title means nothing to him. If it means that much to anyone else ask him for the trophy, I'm sure he don't have room to fit it between his gold medals anyway. Congrats "C".

Darrell Interbartolo
Boston Storm Player/Coach (Regg Dunlop)

[NLane]

Nice to know that there wasn't much for the "trolls" to challenge this year. Nicely done all the way around for this MLRH-AAA season and look forward to the continued growth next season. Hope PIHA continues to grow also. Good for the sport!

[-venom-]

well said.

[-venom-]

lol @ rog

[-venom-]

yeah MLRH really took a step up this season :)

[bottom_line]

Big deal who cares??? i mean i definitly agree that cj is the best player in the league hands down, and if he actually took advantage of the weaker teams and played every game he would have scored over a hundred points easy... but in fact if there was a "scam" it is a bigger deal then you think, that's like saying someone gave joe sakic 5 extra points to win the NHL scoring title over someone like St. Louis, well for sakic he could care-a-less about it, but someone whos trying to make a name for himself and up his value, st louis, would care a little more... now i think MLRHFAN89 is wrong for coming on here and doing this publicly BUT i dont think it should warrant a "who cares", after all this is as close to professional as we have right now, don't need blemishes here...

if it is true, it should be taken care of, if not then ignore the ignorant fan...

just my .02

[-venom-]

First off, I'd like to say that I definitely believe that CJ is the best player in the league, hands down.

BUT I can see where MLRHFAN could be coming from, because it does seem a lityle *coincidental* that he gets JUST enough points, on the LAST game of the season, against a very good team. I mean, 10 points on 11 goals or whatever? Not saying it didn't happen.... but I'm sure you could all see why somebody would be skeptical, right?

Regardless, CJ doesn't care about scoring titles or MVPs.... he's the ultimate team player, and I'm sure he'd be pissed if he heard his stats were being inflated. Very classy guy.....

[yokes]

I think he had like 8 points the night before in Pottstown and the next night he played the whole 4th period because we were down 7-4 at one point. CJ is the Gretzky of our league no doubt, no he wouldnt care if he won or lost the scoring title, and yes he WOULD NOT let something like this happen. I think Ben pointed it out best, look at the score sheet and if thats not enough Jamie told you he will show anybody the game tape.

Beware of a goalie that carries three sticks!

[-venom-]

I believe ya yokes, totally. Just pointing out that I *could* see why there's some skepticism, that's all :)

[rt12]

Gretzky? No offense to the guy, but Wayne is a hockey god. CJ played ECHL, am I correct on that? Thats nice, but lets not bring Gretzky up. If he is Gretzky, who is Mark Messier?

[MDE3]

It's all relative.....actually he played WPHL and WCHL according to hockey data base stats.

But there are several other players of note in the tournament Pro and National Team ranks who have played in the same international tournaments and who have much more prodigious ice hockey stats than CJ...who while they are also super players, have not accomplished what CJ has done when the chips are down...see the results from last years World Championships, and who pulled two games out of the fire in the last few minutes in both the semi's as well as the finals.

I still think let the league look at the tape and make a public announcement to clear the air, it's not fair to CJ to have these questions floating around either. In fact at the Pottstown game I was surprised he &quot;only&quot; had eight points..as I thought he was involved in even more of the goals.

[yokes]

It says the Gretzky of our league, not as good as Gretz. When you talk ice hockey Gretzkys name is synonomous with it, as for roller hockey I would have to say its CJ.

Beware of a goalie that carries three sticks!

[yokes]

Not that im against Johnny P but I guess no one thinks that he might of padded his stats, if you can question ten out of CJ then nine out of him is questionable also.

Beware of a goalie that carries three sticks!

[RichardGraham]

Hi,

I'd like to put in another word for CJ.

In addition to being a great hockey player, he is one of the classiest guys I've ever met. If his stats were padded, he had nothing to do with it, that I promise.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central