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patrick14
07-22-2003, 04:33 PM
Any one who follows this post is probably well aware of the politics the plague inline hockey in this country. This post isn't being made to complain about the current state of affairs (which are a mess) but rather to find out what the informed people think in regards to the future of our sport. (on a variety of topics)

Mostly I'm reffering to USARS fielding the FIRS team who won 'worlds' and USAHIL fielding the IIHF team who took the bronze.

It would be nice to think that if inline/roller hockey (and i'm sure it matter how you say it, because one is 'roller' hockey which is by definition a roller sport, and thus USARS has control, and one is inline hockey, which by definition is a type of hockey, thus USAHIL has control) was to become an true olympic sport this issue would be settled, and we would field one team to represent our country, but the USOC still is undecided on this matter last I heard.

Either way, in a country that can field two medal worthy teams, we are only hardly beginning to have an elite 'league' which develops players who can play at that level. (in a noncheck eviroment, which is what true roller hockey is) Regardless, to date most of our world level players garner most of their experience from ice hockey. I doubt you need proof, but for those who are new:

http://www.echl.com/news/index.php?cat=1&id=1200

By league, I'm reffering to a league, with a regular season, not a tournament series (because we have a good number of those) two of which obviosly showcase the best (torhs, narch). Unfortunately both of these series are allowing more and more physical play to the point where the games represent the past RHI or even ice hockey. While I maintain that roller hockey is and should be a contact sport, which helps develops heads up play, it should not be full check, otherwise it is simply ice hockey 4 on 4. In the US, money (aka fans) are certainly the number one reason for this, while even in international competition they would like to keep the games less physical than that.

See: http://www.rollersports.org/images/2003inlinemen.rtf
first page, 4th paragraph.

Not that it matters, because the next serious attempt (not to dis the current efforts by MLRH, or PIHA) is again full check, and is a completely b@stardized version of roller hockey. Is it not bad enough that many already consider roller hockey the red headed step child to ice hockey, that some one has to go and rearange our sport all over again. thankyou, speedhockey.org

(Personally I hope this league fails because it a misrepresentation of our sport (much like PBH), while at the same time I hope it succeeds because it is the only version of our sport that will be available for viewing on a regular basis, and is worth paying money to watch. Again no disrespect to PIHA and MLRH, but the talent even at narch D1 is generally higher, and more worth my $5.

Surely, our sport could succeed with teams at the Narch and Torhs pro level and higher playing in venues similar to AAA/ECHL ice hockey. And the current leagues can fill in as feeder leagues.

But 'elite/pro' roller hockey is another topic that is thoroughly covered in the PRO forum.

Back to international competition... I'd just like to know what information, if any people have on ROLLER/INLINE hockey becoming and olympic sport, and who will be officially recognized by the USOC?

Lastly to comment on the previous USA vs. USA post.

I put all my money on the USARS/FIRS team. Even without ever seeing the games. Which BTW, would make for a great game to be broadcast on the web, ala narch TV. (huge props to narch for that)

~Patrick

Just to round out the rambling, I thought it appropriate to include these links.

http://www.rollersports.org/
http://www.inlinehokej.cz/eng/
http://imanager.ip-finland.com/iihf/

RichardGraham
07-22-2003, 05:00 PM
Hi Patrick,

Fascinating post. I think it will garner a lot of responses. Sounds like you prefer the FIRS event. Can you give your reasons? I think that will be interesting to IHC's readers as well.

Sincerely,

Richard Graham
Editor
Inline Hockey Central

mudbug615
07-22-2003, 09:27 PM
lets don't forget skaterhockey that is aslo extremely popular in Europe

MDE3
07-23-2003, 01:38 AM
Interesting to see someone come out and speak their mind like that on Speed Hockey. There is such a desparate desire to see the sport succeed at some level of Professional recognition, that I suspect many in here are afraid to speak their minds for fear of jeoprodizing this attempt.

As to the full contact version versus the non or limited contact version of the sport, I think the international teams who are at the peak of their sport - all still play this high contact version - whether approved by FIRS or not. (See FIRS report on Gold Medal game between Team USA and Team Czechoslovakia) Whether this is a good thing or not - there was sure no lack of fan enthusiasm for this game and I suspect the physical nature of the game simply added to the excitement. That being said - there is a logical leap to including full contact at the Pro/Elite level. From the Narch Nationals I have seen at the Pro level - the contact was pretty much full and not being called - even though their official version has it as "non contact"

As far as creating or evolving a pro league - I agree that the current leagues in place need to step up their caliber of play. However the lack of money available makes this very difficult. That is why I have proposed a "Card" system where the people who want to play the sport "Professionally" would have to attend a clinic over a weekend or longer - where at the end of this clinic they would take a skills test to see if they could acquire their "Pro" card. This would then qualify them to play either PIHA or MLRH as well as TOHRS or Narch. Minor league players such as those found in the PIHA Minors would not be required to hold a card.

By running a series of these clinics around the country - a pool of talent could be established and qualified as well, and a league or leagues based on the numbers available then be estabished or re-established. However there would then be a talent common denominator for all who achieved this.

A few supplemental clinics could be run during the year to pick up stragglers who didn't make the tryouts, or mid season refugees from ice who wanted to try their hand at inline.

These clinics/tryouts would then help establish a network of players, give the players a sense of accomplishment, and be a forum for the leagues to communicate what they expect from their "pro" players - across the board. It would also go a long way to establishing more credibility for calling a league "pro" in the eyes of the fans.

TimeKeeper_CYMRU
07-23-2003, 06:48 PM
<font color=red>Hi Patrick</font color=red>

<font color=black>I read your post with interest, but not being resident in the USA a lot of your post went way over my head so it would be inappropriate for me to comment on things I don't fully understand. However, if I may pick up on the following:</font color=black>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>

<font color=purple>Back to international competition... I'd just like to know what information, if any people have on ROLLER/INLINE hockey becoming and olympic sport, and who will be officially recognized by the USOC?

<hr></blockquote>

</font color=purple> <font color=black>If I may take my comments one step above the 'National Governing Body' level i.e.USOC (and USARS?) to the 'International Governing Body' level.

Firstly it is necessary to establish if you (and other readers) consider Inline Roller Hockey to be a roller sport (along with Artistic Roller Skating, Speed Roller Skating and Rink Hockey [is that hardball hockey in the USA?]) or to be ice hockey on wheels. If it is considered that Inline Roller Hockey is a roller sport, then presumably you will accept that FIRS (Federation of International Roller Sports) is the accepted International Governing Body. However if you perceive Inline Roller Hockey to be ice hockey on wheels then another International Governing Body would be more appropriate.

I have been visiting the FIRS website on a modestly regular basis over the last four years or so and have seen reference to FIRS being in negotiation with both the International Olympic Committee and the International World Games Association on the topic of introducing roller sports (Artistic, Speed, Rink Hockey and Inline Hockey) into their respective programs.

I have provided below a number of links (oldest first) to extant news items on the FIRS website, which might go some way to answering your question albeit only in respect of relationships between FIRS and IOC/ IWGA.

<A HREF="http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=543" target="_new">http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=543</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=677" target="_new">http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=677</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=708" target="_new">http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=708</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=724" target="_new">http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=724</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=737" target="_new">http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=737</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=802" target="_new">http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=802</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=890" target="_new">http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=890</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=895" target="_new">http://www.rollersports.org/article.php?sid=895</A>

I am not a regular visitor to any international level ice hockey websites although I do from time to time visit the IIHF and IIHFi websites, therefore I am not able to provide a similar list in respect of news items on other websites.

I leave it to you to make any downwards connections from what is available, at an International level on the FIRS website and any appropriate International Ice Hockey websites to the respective affiliated US national level governing bodies.

I trust you find this contribution to be of help.</font color=black>

<font color=blue>John
Great Britain</font color=blue>